Micron Chip Sales Banned In China On Patent Case (bloomberg.com) 74
A Chinese court temporarily banned Micron Technology chip sales, cutting the U.S. company off from the world's largest semiconductor market. The news comes from Taiwanese rival United Microelectronics Corporation (UMC). Bloomberg reports: In a patent ruling in favor of UMC, the Fuzhou Intermediate Peopleâ(TM)s Court of the Peopleâ(TM)s Republic of China issued a preliminary injunction stopping Micron from selling 26 products, including dynamic random access memory and Nand flash memory-related products, UMC said in a statement Tuesday. Micron said it hasnâ(TM)t been served with the injunction and wonâ(TM)t comment until it does.
The case is part of a broader dispute between the two companies centering on accusations that UMC acted as a conduit for the theft of Micronâ(TM)s designs in an attempt to help China grow its domestic chip industry and replace imports that rival oil in total value. A Chinese antitrust regulator is already investigating Micron and its Korean rivals, the companies have said. Local media has reported that authorities are looking into increases in chip prices.
The case is part of a broader dispute between the two companies centering on accusations that UMC acted as a conduit for the theft of Micronâ(TM)s designs in an attempt to help China grow its domestic chip industry and replace imports that rival oil in total value. A Chinese antitrust regulator is already investigating Micron and its Korean rivals, the companies have said. Local media has reported that authorities are looking into increases in chip prices.
And this... (Score:3, Interesting)
Granted, it's about 30 years too late, but....
You are surprised? (Score:3, Interesting)
You mean their reaction to the US banning chip supplies to ZTE by banning chip imports from Micron is... what... surprising? unexpected?
If you want to be the playground bully, it pays to make sure you can hold that position...
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Trump wants to be the bully but has no idea what it means, can't hold the position, and is picking the fights with our ALLIES first...
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Re:You are surprised? (Score:4, Insightful)
And ZTE was caught spying on both government and private owners of their products.
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China is not an ally. And ZTE was caught spying on both government and private owners of their products.
Wow - where you been keeping yourself, Jane?. I havent seen a post from you in a long time.
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None of that changes the fact that tariffs are hurting the US, particularly smaller companies that actually try to make stuff there instead of outsourcing to China. It's ironic that the ones now suffering from component shortages and higher material costs are the ones providing jobs to Americans, while the people who already moved manufacturing to China are much less affected.
These are the US tariffs on electronic components, by the way, not the retaliatory ones from China. The pain from the Chinese ones wi
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No, troll (Score:1)
No, this is a standard protectionist MO from China. They have done this at least 4 times to micron in the last decade. I know you hate trump, but get your head putt off your ass.
Re: No, moron (Score:2)
Harley is moving some production out of the US because non-US customers are a growth area for them. US H-D customers are in decline, while in the EU there is growth. American millineals are not motorcycle buyers. They buy shitty scooters with two cycle engines.
Re:You are surprised? (Score:5, Informative)
I think this is something that will only get worse as time goes on, in that, if the USA (I've never been in the states btw, I'm Australian) wants to maintain it's global economic position (in your terms, the playground bully, and more formally speaking [and probably ironically too], maintain the pax americana), it needs to start acting against China strategically. The problem with acting now is, the USA might not be in its ideal position to do so, but I think it will only get worse for the USA as time goes on, as China isn't sitting idly; it's growing and establishing its foothold.
Now, while I'm not infatuated with the USA, I'm concerned far more by China's political interference in oceania, and their general subversive nature of establishing their own hegemony. I'm inclined to side on the countries which, at least nominally, share our values of personal liberty, democracy, and a rule of law, which arguably places most above that of China. Despite our flaws, we're still much better than a regime which denies those freedoms, and champions the idea that people are too stupid to rule them selves, therefore they must be lorded over by the select few.
Another point to consider is that the Chinese have a chip on their shoulder that westerners have been exploiting them, and that has been stymieing their development. Their concept of face means that they're proud and arrogant, to their own detriment, to the degree that they'd rather go down with the ship than change course if it means admitting they were/are wrong, or that systems of governance that encourage skulduggery, corruption, and self interest, over talent and merit, has been holding them back.
From a trade perspective, I've noticed a growing sentiment amongst Chinese that they're starting to feel superior. They feel that where once their stuff wasn't taken all that seriously, it is significantly not the case now, and relating to their concept of sociological face, while they grow with the idea that they are superior, it is us who should be grateful that they trade with us, and we need them, and not they need us. This is definitely becoming the case in Australia, where we're so exposed to China, that if they stop buying our resources, we have problems, if we stop selling residential property to them, we have problems, if we try to stop them donating money/buying our politicians, we have problems! [abc.net.au] They have us where they want us; we're reliant on their money, they're not reliant on our resources.
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And what EXACTLY would be a way of going about it all right? We've tried court orders, we've tried asking politely, we've tried everything imaginable and China has laughed while stealing intellectual property from American businesses and destroying American jobs. It was time to stand up the international criminals in China. Trump did that. I don't love the guy by any means, but what he did needed to be done and, as GerryGillmore said, it should have been done 30 years ago.
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Intelectual Property is not property, its privilege granted by State.
You cannot grant that privilige outside your jurisdictation.
Stealing IP of US is criminal only in your fantasy.
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Nice, a string of Chinese AC trolls.
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And what EXACTLY would be a way of going about it all right? We've tried court orders, we've tried asking politely, we've tried everything imaginable and China has laughed while stealing intellectual property from American businesses and destroying American jobs. It was time to stand up the international criminals in China. Trump did that. I don't love the guy by any means, but what he did needed to be done and, as GerryGillmore said, it should have been done 30 years ago.
so... i've been reading this quuite a lot recently http://www.crnhq.org/12-Skills... [crnhq.org] because of an ongoing situation on the riscv mailing lists. what all that stuff on crnhq tells me is that it's best to look for win-win situations. not to try to prove yourself right by making other people look wrong, for example.
world-wide, trade for basic goods right the way to high-tech goods is critically dependent on china. we did that to ourselves, world-wide, no excuses, by buying goods based on price instead of l
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and we have some fucking idiot president in the USA who, just like you, anonymous coward, wants to get all uppity and "protect america's rights"... by starting a trade war?? i mean wtf?? are you high? are you smoking crack??
The problem of course, is that the time to retaliate against China was a long long time ago. Maybe the latest possible window was early in Bush # 1's presidency.
Trying to reset the clock to the 1950's simply will not work almost 70 years later
Somewhere, some how, some people in the US seem to think that the USA can force the rest of the world to kowtow to our economic might, that we can to put up tarriffs, which were once considered economic suicide, but have somehow magically transformed into Republican
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A Chinese General stated once that, in case of an US attack on China, they would retaliate by hitting the major US population centers with their nukes (unlike the Nork target map which basically showed naval and military targets). They have enough nukes to do that if they wanted to. Also, since they never did sign agreements with the US for bilateral inspections, like Russia does, the fact is no one knows the actual number of warheads or missiles the Chinese have. My estimation is by their number of regimen
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PS: If China did invade Taiwan, do you really think the US would go to war with China? At worst it would be a repeat of the Phoney War again. Both sides still would have a couple of years left to continue to rearm until the war escalated further. Now if China invaded Indochina, or the Philippines, or Korea, that might be a different question. Still the US might not bother themselves to respond militarily at least in the start. The question is does China need to do that? As it is they can trade for the resou
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this is *very* interesting. i was aware that the cost of living in china has been rising for some time, but this makes it plain that with the increase in cost of living has also come an increase in income. consequently ordinary chinese citizens are BUYING from ABROAD, ONLINE: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sta... [thetimes.co.uk]
if the USA starts screwing around with a trade war, they're going to lose out basically.
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Even on our Dell servers under support contracts, crucial offers memory upgrades that work more often than even Dell. That is why we buy from crucial. Even with so-called next day support, it sometimes takes us weeks or even months to get Dell to dispatch. Crucial will usually work and even sometimes send out other memory DIMMs that work well before we could get Dell to honor their so-called next day support.
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Same here. Crucial's been great.
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Actually, Trump has it backwards [theatlantic.com].
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Theme? (Score:2)
Taiwan should do what China did. Just make a massive donation to a planned Indonesian theme park, golf course, whatever.... just make sure the project has financial links to Trump and he'll sort out export/import bans like he did with ZTE.
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China has a history of stealing Semiconductor IP (Score:5, Informative)
That's pretty much what they do [battleswarmblog.com]. They're retaliating against Micron because they got caught red-handed stealing their designs from UMC in Taiwan [nytimes.com].
The irony is that China has no domestic semiconductor equipment manufacturers worth speaking of, so they'll still need to buy the equipment from American and Japanese firms like Applied Materials, LAM Research, and Tokyo Electron. Plus they're having extreme difficulty finding qualified semiconductor process engineers willing to move to China.
Plus they stole it for a fab that's still under production, so by the time they are producing chips using the stolen designs, Micron will probably already be fabbing their next design turn/feature shrink...
A super easy solution to stop China in the cold .. (Score:1)
China has no domestic semiconductor equipment manufacturers worth speaking of, so they'll still need to buy the equipment from American and Japanese firms like Applied Materials, LAM Research, and Tokyo Electron
Stop selling China equipment that enable them to produce chips.
China *does have* domestic equipment makers, but the machines they produce is so lousy, even the Chinese semiconductor process engineers are avoiding those machines like a plaque .
If we stop selling the equipment to them, the Chinese have to rely on the 2nd hand market --- which means, they will be getting really antiquated technologies, at least 5 years old, (40nm node and up) which isn't going to help them.