Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 


Forgot your password?
Close
typodupeerror
×
The Courts Businesses The Almighty Buck Transportation

Volkswagen Settles Diesel Emissions Lawsuit Right Before Trial Set To Begin (theverge.com) 74

Posted by BeauHD from the narrowly-dodging dept.
Volkswagen settled a major diesel emissions class action lawsuit brought by hundreds of vehicle owners right before the case was set to go to trial. "The German auto giant's U.S. division settled the lawsuit brought by a North Carolina man and over 300 other owners of diesel cars who allege fraud and unfair trade practices," reports The Verge. From the report: The trial could have featured testimony from current and former VW executives and would likely have caused a spate of bad press for the automaker regarding the Dieselgate scandal. Since it first broke in 2015, the controversy has led to the resignation of VW's CEO, seen a handful of executives sentenced to jail, and resulted in billions of dollars in fines and settlements. VW is being sued by some consumers after it admitted to using software to cheat on diesel emissions tests, sparking the biggest scandal to hit the auto industry in decades. David Doar, the North Carolina man along with more than 300 other U.S. VW diesel owners, rejected settlement offers from a 2016 class action that would have reimbursed them for the value of their vehicles. Nearly all U.S. owners of affected VW vehicles agreed to take part in a $25 billion settlement in 2016, which included buyback offers and additional compensation for about 500,000 owners. But according to Reuters, some 2,000 owners have opted out, and most are pursuing separate claims seeking additional compensation.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Volkswagen Settles Diesel Emissions Lawsuit Right Before Trial Set To Begin More

Volkswagen Settles Diesel Emissions Lawsuit Right Before Trial Set To Begin

Comments Filter:

  • Europeans (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Monday February 26, 2018 @07:14PM (#56191437) Homepage Journal
    The funniest part of this saga is the decades that Americans had to listen to Europeans going on and on about how their clean diesels were infinitely superior to the American gas guzzlers. Turned out the whole thing was a lie and they inhaled it for decades.

    • VW is a Nazi company. Never forget that. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I'm German, and I know very well, where VW came from. The corporate culture did not magically change since back then. They're still the same pieces of shit. And if you want to work there, you either are like that, or you won't. Corporations are like lifeforms, in that they don't just change their personality either.
      And remember: Nobody of nearly all employees needs to be a piece of shit himself, for the company to be one. It's enough for everyone just "doing his job", and saying "it's the rules" (which Germ

      • Utter nonsense. I think you need reminding how long the end of WWII was... coming up on 73 years. Of course things didn't magically change overnight, things like that take place over time, like the last 73 years. VW is a massive multinational company, with over 600,000 employees, the majority of them outside of Germany. The company didn't even maintain its senior management after the war, with the British running it for a few years, before it being handed over to the head of Opel. They cheated on die

    • Re:Europeans (Score:5, Informative)

      by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday February 26, 2018 @10:54PM (#56192231)
      There are a lot of factors at play here, going both ways, making the situation a lot more complicated than such a simplistic analysis.
      • The diesel cycle [wikipedia.org] is more efficient than the Otto cycle used in gasoline engines. If you want to produce the most energy possible via combustion from a given amount of fuel, dieseling (pressurizing fuel until it auto-ignites) is the way to do it.
      • Diesels produce more nitrous oxides. However, it is not an inherent property of diesel fuel. It is a consequence of the reaction temperature. Even an engine burning pure hydrogen at a high power output will produce nitrous oxides. NOx is produced when atmospheric nitrogen combines with atmospheric oxygen using excess energy in the reaction chamber. Because the diesel cycle is more efficient, it results in higher combustion temperatures, which results in more NOx production. That's the unfortunate trade-off here: Higher fuel efficiency (less CO2 emissions) comes at the cost of increased NOx emissions.
      • The strategy employed by newer diesels is to inject a measured amount of diesel exhaust fluid (DEF, marketed as Ad-blue). It's basically ammonia, and combines with NOx to convert it into nitrogen gas and water. The process is patented by Mercedes, and licensed by other diesel engine manufacturers. VW's former CEO hated it and demanded VW engineers come up with a way to make VW's diesels compliant with emissions regulations without using DEF. Someone somewhere in VW made a decision to lie and pretend they could do it, rather than admit that they couldn't.
      • When you refine oil, it naturally wants to break down into a certain amount of gasoline and a certain amount of diesel (the diesel hydrocarbon chains are longer). You can break down diesel into gasoline with further refining, but it's energy-intensive. It's virtually impossible to convert gasoline into diesel. Consequently the most efficient use of oil is to simply use gasoline and diesel in the ratio in which it's most easily refined. The U.S. with its larger travel distances and large trucking industry uses about the right ratio of diesel (trucks) vs gasoline (cars). Europe, with its smaller travel distances and greater prevalence of rail transport tends to use less diesel than is refined. So they end up with excess diesel, lowering its price relative to gasoline, creating an incentive to produce cars which run on diesel. (This is also why diesel prices go up in the winter. Home heating oil is virtually identical to diesel, so the supply of diesel for transportation fuel is reduced during the winter.).
      • Diesel is a denser fuel than gasoline. It's about 12% heavier than the same volume of gasoline (there's 12% more "stuff" in a given volume of diesel). So the MPG figures you see for diesel are a bit overstated since we measure these fuels by volume, rather than by mass. It's still got a higher energy density though (about 3% more energy per mass). And the higher combustion efficiency means cars/trucks still get more distance per unit mass of diesel than gasoline. It's just not as much as the MPG would suggest.
      • Particulate emissions (mainly carbon soot) are higher with diesel, but newer diesels simply capture it in a filter [wikipedia.org] and burn it off (converting it to CO2) at regular intervals. Despite this additional CO2 production, diesel's CO2 production per vehicle mile is still lower than gasoline's.
      • The emissions standards are a moving target, gradually becoming more stringent over the years. For example, the EPA limit on NOx emissions was 1.25 g/mile in 1994, lowered to 0.07 g/mile in 2004, and in 2017 lowered to 0.086 g/mile of NOx + other non-methane hydrocarbons. So while VW's emissions far exceeded the 2004 limit, the cars actually would've complied with the 1994 limit. In particular, the 2015 VW diesels actually complied with the EPA limit, they just slightly exceeded C

      • Re:Europeans (Score:4, Interesting)

        by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @09:38AM (#56193809) Homepage Journal

        Diesels produce more nitrous oxides. However, it is not an inherent property of diesel fuel. It is a consequence of the reaction temperature.

        No, it's a consequence of running lean. If you run rich, like gasoline cars do — modern ones actually run rich at WOT, and rich-lean-rich-lean (switching back and forth) at all other times — then you don't produce NOx. When combustion chamber temperatures are highest, they are running rich (WOT under load) so they don't product NOx. Except wait! Direct-injected gassers run lean most of the time, like diesels, and they can produce NOx too. So they have to be carefully tuned to avoid it, which means injecting more fuel than you need. That either means increased exhaust valve temperatures, or more load on the catalyst; either way it means more wasted fuel. Meanwhile, DEF injection all but eliminates NOx output, and it's not like it's expensive either.

        VW's former CEO hated it and demanded VW engineers come up with a way to make VW's diesels compliant with emissions regulations without using DEF. Someone somewhere in VW made a decision to lie and pretend they could do it, rather than admit that they couldn't.

        They could, but they could not simultaneously make the cars sporting. The power output from a clean diesel without DEF is anemic. Mazda tried it, and they decided that they couldn't actually do it while making the car fun to drive. They wondered, in fact, how VW had managed it. The answer, of course, was that they hadn't. Mazda took their diesel engine research and applied it to gasoline vehicles, and they claim to have invented the first practical compression-ignition gasoline engine. They haven't, and are liars; It's actually spark ignition. They claim the spark is used to "moderate" the reaction, but that's totally false, and they know it. It's there to initiate the reaction at a specific time, which is called spark ignition. The technology is actually analogous to CVCC, not compression ignition. It's just an unwieldy and complex way of doing what Honda was doing with intake design and carburetors back in the seventies.

        Particulate emissions (mainly carbon soot) are higher with diesel, but newer diesels simply capture it in a filter and burn it off (converting it to CO2) at regular intervals. Despite this additional CO2 production, diesel's CO2 production per vehicle mile is still lower than gasoline's.

        This is also wholly incorrect. Gasoline vehicles simply produce finer, more hazardous soot than diesels [slashdot.org]. Alas, the trap filter does nothing to reduce the amount of soot that comes out of a diesel. It's not actually a filter, it's just another catalyst. The soot is burned in the "filter", resulting in... finer soot. The most dangerous soot is PM2.5, aka particles under 2.5 microns. Soot particles smaller than cilia (which are about 1.8 microns or larger) cannot be efficiently swept out of the lungs by them, which is what makes them dangerous. Instead, they lodge in the epithelium of the lung, where they are irritants which can cause cancer. Without a trap filter, diesels produce soot well over PM2.5, which means that you can reasonably cough it up.

        TL;DR: Diesels make NOx because they run lean, not because they are hot. Diesels with filters and gasoline engines both produce more hazardous soot than diesels with no filters. The soot is less dangerous specifically because you can see it. Gasoline cars are simply sneakier killers, and most of what you C&P'd is wrong.

    • The funniest part of this saga is the decades that Americans had to listen to Europeans going on and on about how their clean diesels were infinitely superior to the American gas guzzlers. Turned out the whole thing was a lie and they inhaled it for decades.

      And the Europeans were right. Your critique ignores the ever changing landscape of the internal combustion engine and also the ever changing formulation of the fuel. At the time where diesel shined from a health point of view, petrol was horrid. It was hell inefficient (gas guzzling), extremely dirty, had higher levels of NOx emissions, oh and spewed a shitton of lead into the air in dense population zones. But things did change over the years mainly driven by the health / environmental crisis of the moment

    • The funniest part of this saga is the decades that Americans had to listen to Europeans going on and on about how their clean diesels were infinitely superior to the American gas guzzlers.

      Well, it's not funny any more for folks in Germany who own diesels . . . about 46% of passenger cars there.

      A German high court just put a nail in diesel's coffin with a judgement allowing bans of diesels in cities:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/busine... [bbc.com]

      Of course, the fat lady hasn't sung yet, and the government and auto industry are working frantically to think up a solution which won't end up in pitchforks and torches. The German police have already stated that they do not have the resources to enforce a ba

  • VW paid me about twice... (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    what my car was worth. These people are just greedy. They should have taken the pile of cash and been happy.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      They should have given you nothing. US environmental laws are a joke - just a way for asshole lawyers to get rich.

  • Give it a rest! (Score:3)

    by AJWM ( 19027 ) on Monday February 26, 2018 @08:32PM (#56191767) Homepage

    "regarding the Dieselgate scandal"

    It's been more than 45 years since the Watergate break-in. Can we give the "-gate" suffix a rest already?

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by sjames ( 1099 )

      Are you trying to start gate-gate or something?

    • Can we give the "-gate" suffix a rest already?

      Can you suggest a replacement? It is better than "scandal" because it is 3 letters shorter, plus it has a different nuance: "-gate" implies that there was a cover-up, while "scandal" does not.

    • It's been more than 45 years since the Watergate break-in. Can we give the "-gate" suffix a rest already?

      But it's only been about 5 years since the -gate suffix was popularised. (It wasn't watergate that did that). Also VW's dieselgate was a few years old now, and kind of in the middle of the everythinggate times.

      So no, it is called dieselgate and will be referred to as dieselgate going forward. Changing it now would just make finding information about it more difficult in the future.

  • They have EU as their bitch, where they sell their useless products, and now they officially expanded corrupted tactics across seas. Don't forget EUidiots to buy German products made outside of EU... because gov backed companies like siemens-daimler-VAG-e.t.c. can and will move production outside of the "Union".
    What would have happened if the firm was Italian or Spanist or even worse from the land of the rising sun? I bet they'd offer a good deal to buy them and everything would be fine.

    • They have EU as their bitch, where they sell their useless products,

      Useless products? I'm loving my A8 Quattro. I've been driving a 300SD until now and the A8 gets damned near the same mileage, is twice as comfortable and twice as capable, and the body won't ever rust. I only regret I didn't buy a Boxster, since I don't really need back seats and I'm now moving back to the coast.

      • Enjoy your audisteer, then. The fact that you enjoy something, doesn't mean it's good.
        My P11-144 had problems and all of them were caused by german components, e.g. Bosch MAF sensor... and that's a problem with every car that got that Bosch sensor.
        Anyhow, Germans have learnt to build upon others' corruption.
        e.g. In Greece, you know "pay debt" e.t.c., the German government has been financing and covering corrupted executives from Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Telekom, Siemens, Daimler and other companies so as
  • I can only encourage everyone to sue Volkswagen. They have a big mouth, but once push comes to shove – they prefer to keep things under the hood. They even 'settled' here in Germany, where it is almost impossible to win against a company. Needless to say that they deserve what is coming to them and more.

  • Netflix has a Dirty Money series, and the first one is on the VW Diesel , walked through step by step. In addition, the testing has shown that in Europe all the cars are cheating in some way.

    You will be saddened by how much they knew and for how long it's been going on.

Slashdot Top Deals

Algebraic symbols are used when you do not know what you are talking about. -- Philippe Schnoebelen

Close