Vungle CEO Arrested For Child Rape and Attempted Murder (axios.com) 129
Freshly Exhumed writes: Axios is working to get details about a revelation on a government website that Vungle CEO Zain Jaffer is facing charges at the Maple Street Correctional Center in Redwood City, California of attempted murder, a lewd act on a child, oral copulation of a person under 14, child abuse, assault with a deadly weapon and battery upon an officer and emergency personnel. Vungle is self-described on its website as "the leading in-app video advertising platform for performance marketers," and was founded by Jaffer in 2011. Vungle has since issued a statement: "While we do not have any information that is not in the public record at this point, these are extremely serious allegations, and we are shocked beyond words. While these are only preliminary charges, they are obviously so serious that it led to the immediate removal of Mr. Jaffer from any operational responsibility at the company. The company stressed that this matter has nothing to do with Mr. Jaffer's former role at the company." Axios notes that "the San Francisco-based company has raised over $25 million in VC funding from firms like Google Ventures, Thomvest Ventures, Crosslink Capital, SoftTech VC and 500 Startups."
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Oooh, just wait until this gets worked into the plot of a Silicon Valley episode.
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It's hilarious how many angry, fire-breathing, conservative, anti LGBT, anti-progress assholes turn out to be closet adulterers, homosexuals, or cads who've pressured mistresses into getting abortions, etc. etc.
Oh wait, maybe there are just assholes on each side and most people aren't in that category.
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Trump literally bragged about sexually assaulting women on tape. His ex wife filed rape charges against him and only dropped them for an undisclosed amount of money. Dozens of women have accused him of sexual assault and related misconduct.
Are you suggesting that Trump is a " Hillary supporting, lgbqt supporting democrat."
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Not Teagaggers, nor Trumpian criminal assaulters, nor Nazis like your Richard Spencer crowd,
Nor Steve Bannon, nor any of you is innocent
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Yeah, Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes were a couple of lefty snowflakes.
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as video ads.
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The list of felony charges includes assault with a deadly weapon, child abuse, lewd act upon a child and oral copulation of a person under 10.
This gonna look good on his linkedin
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Out of curiosity, what are you quoting in your comment? This text didn't appear in TFA or the summary.
Techcrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2017/10... [techcrunch.com]
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So much for innocent until proven guilty.
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He has been substantially deprived of significant material value without ever having set foot in a court.
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How do you ensure that the general public treats him as a normal citizen, do you forbid the press from reporting on any crime? Also criminal law has a higher standard of proof than the general public will accept. If the person is found not guilty over a technicality, you can't expect the company keep him on as a CEO, or even a janitor. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principle, it is not a law that can be enforced on the general public.
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How do you ensure that the general public treats him as a normal citizen, do you forbid the press from reporting on any crime?
It is an interesting argument. Does the reporting of his crime in any way help the public?
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It could. Maybe it informs parents of the dangers of letting their children spend alone time with CEOs.
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CEOs are the worst.
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Yes. ...
Wait, did you imply that would be a bad thing?
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It is an interesting argument. Does the reporting of his crime in any way help the public?
Are you willing to honestly vouch that if you have children, you will be impartial enough to say that you won't judge him "just because this person has been arrested and charged for sexual assault against minority and attempted murder" and allow your young children to be around this person alone? If this sexual predator with pedo tendencies is your neighbour do you WANT to know?
If yes, you may want to revalue your merit as a (potential) parent. If no, you have answered your own question.
My previous poin
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Are you willing to honestly vouch that if you have children, you will be impartial enough to say that you won't judge him "just because this person has been arrested and charged for sexual assault against minority and attempted murder" and allow your young children to be around this person alone?
I do have children, and I would answer that question honestly if it came up during jury selection. That is what you meant, right?
If he is not convicted, and perhaps even if he is, he may well still do all right in his career. See also: Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Chris Brown, Charlie Sheen, Chuck Berry, Sean Penn, Donald Trump...
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I do have children, and I would answer that question honestly if it came up during jury selection.
Good for you on the fair jury part, my intention of previous post to GP (maybe I didn't state it very clearly) was the right for people to know if through the news - there are lots of people that reasonably want to take precautions when it comes to their children, and wait till AFTER his acquittal to let the person be alone with his kid.
By extension (to GP and GGPs), if we were to literally interpret "Presumed innocence until proven guilty" to the fullest extent, unqualified, and to protect them against
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> It is an interesting argument. Does the reporting of his crime in any way help the public?
Yes. It informs potential investors, or clients, that this CEO is going to be distracted by criminal proceedings and is going to have large personal expenses.
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Most people would think people arrested and taken away with no public explanation or accountability is a bad thing.
Or maybe you're suggesting that freedom of the press and the first amendment are a mistake? In which case, which government agency do you want to review news stories and ensure that they're "helping the public" in the government's opinion?
The reporting of crimes is may not thrill you, but it's a part of the other freedoms we enjoy. Eliminate them and you're well on your way to a totalitarian
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The reporting of crimes is may not thrill you, but it's a part of the other freedoms we enjoy. Eliminate them and you're well on your way to a totalitarian state.
No, you're not.
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Wow. What a thoroughly fact-supported response to a strawman argument you've made. I couldn't possibly refute it.
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If the person is found not guilty over a technicality, you can't expect the company keep him on as a CEO, or even a janitor
So it's best to shoot him now rather than let him slowly starve to death on the streets. After all, sometimes kids play in the streets...
Innocent until proven guilt is the law, it's not just a principle.
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Companies have standards of employment that essentially say, "You fuck with our revenue stream, we're gonna shitcan you."
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Would you do that BEFORE or AFTER a court of law has found out if he ACTUALLY did the crime?
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I haven't read your fine constitution in a while, but I'm pretty sure there is no guaranteed right to good public relations.
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He has been substantially deprived of significant material value without ever having set foot in a court.
It's one of the side effects of the US's near complete freedom of speech/press. Most countries have limitations on what you can report about people who have merely been arrested but not yet charged, in the US there appears to be no such control, and you get law enforcement publishing mugshots of arrestees even if they're later released without charge.
Personally, I don't see why you should be able to report even on a trial until it is over and the person found either guilty or not guilty, but then I suppos
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It doesn't matter if he's exonerated. The bad PR is enough to ruin his career.
captcha: immune
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See also: Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Chris Brown, Charlie Sheen, Chuck Berry, Sean Penn, Donald Trump...
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How so? Did he get convicted with no trial?
True, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but that doesn't mean we can't comment on it. Perhaps this would soothe your angst:
The alleged list of alleged felony charges includes alleged assault with a alleged deadly weapon, alleged child abuse, alleged lewd act upon a alleged child and alleged oral copulation of a alleged person under 10.
allegedly
howbow da?
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Is it just me, or does it seem like allegedly should have another d in it?
Clearly, if your offense is of the type inclusive of the term child abuse you will be judged more harshly.
Fair? Maybe not, but we have to believe in something.
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I on't know. Gla you took it in the spirit it was intene! Goo night.
There, fixe that for you.
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Is it just me, or does it seem like allegedly should have another d in it?
Got me! With my talent of making spelling mistakes, I looked it up because I thought I might have had it wrong
Clearly, if your offense is of the type inclusive of the term child abuse you will be judged more harshly.
Fair? Maybe not, but we have to believe in something.
We'll see how it works out. I'm willing to say innocent until proven guilty, but the kid under 10 allegation does tend to naturally repulse me, as likely most people. Anyhow, this guy had other charges as well, although the attempted murder charge was dropped.
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And as we all know, alleged is the media term for 'guilty'.
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See also: Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Chris Brown, Charlie Sheen, Chuck Berry, Sean Penn, Donald Trump...
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While your assertion is fair, it's worth noting that if he weren't a (presumably) wealthy executive it wouldn't be newsworthy, but would still be public.
Try to come up with a proposal for a better approach. Do you want to allow secret trials?
Part of what's going on is that everyone so hates his profession that they're immediately willing to believe the worst of him without seeing the evidence. My first thought of a comment was:
"So he decided to make his profession more directly physical."
and to deride th
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Thought experiment: what if there was never any public announcement of charges laid upon suspects? Answer: that would be like having a system of government in which it is forbidden to question the thoughts of four-star generals. Such a government is called a junta, and we do not want that.
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> Try to come up with a proposal for a better approach. Do you want to allow secret trials?
This already exists for children: proceedings are sealed from the press, and after they become adults many records are supposed to be expunged. There are many cases where plaintiffs, defendants, and prosecutors are forbidden to publish anything about it. Jurors are also normally forbidden from speaking to the press. There is also the entire Guantanamo Bay legal fiasco, where secret prisoners are kept without habeas
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That only works because very few people with power have any animus against children. Even so, you can't show that it's always better.
And the Guantanamo Bay example is an example of what happens when the open trial is denied. It's clearly unconstitutional abuse of power, and it was engaged in by both the Repubs and the Dems. The weasel-worded justification of "but it's not happening in the US" ignores that it's being done by the US govt. on territory controlled by the US.
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How is reporting on public court documents "trampling civil rights"?
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He's an advertisers. He is guilty. At the very least of stealing people's time.
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The police were called to the house by Jaffer's father, Wagstaffe said. When officers arrived at the house, they found Jaffer engaged in the illegal contact with the minors [forbes.com]
Dude's father turned his ass in and the police walked in and saw him molesting his kids. This is an incredibly bad choice of examples to use in arguing for presumption of innocence.
"The leading in-app video advertising platform" (Score:2)
I wish the whole company was put in jail for a long long time.
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"When I genuinely type "Vungle wikipedia" into Google, and the first search result does NOT come up with Wikipedia"
Your fucking fault for relying upon both Google and Wikipedia to think for you instead of having some actual search chops, sonny boy.
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I don't have the zlorbies'ed idea.
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But if you want to see tweets from a perverted psychopath who is also an idiot, I have a recommendation!
Details TFS left out (Score:4, Informative)
Source [forbes.com].
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(insert joke about "won't somebody think of the children" here)
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The main problem is that he has been thinking of the children a bit too much.
That's nice (Score:2)
So do they actually do anything, or have they just found that conning VC investors out of their money is a good living?
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To the likes of the entities that funded them that $25,000,000 is chump-change. The roll-of-the-dice is worth it to them if the technology pans-out. I also expect that those companies that survived the dotcom bubble may themselves be slightly better at evaluating if a given startup has a better chance of actually providing a return, so they sponsor fewer losers relative to the winners.
Possibly a bad divorce and false allegations? (Score:2)
The articles from legitimate press are limited. I'm sad to say that I've personally seen a divorce case where a mother, badly counseled by her unqualified, untrained, and unlicensed therapist, accused the father of sexual abuse of their children. The mother was claiming that practices common around the world, such as casual nudity in the home, or bathing with infants, were sexual abuse in and of themselves. That took years of horrific court intervention and a change of therapist to help clear up, and it st