Ukraine Hacker Cooperating With FBI In Russia Probe, Says Report (thehill.com) 215
schwit1 shares a report from The Hill: A hacker in Ukraine who goes by the online alias "Profexer" is cooperating with the FBI in its investigation of Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election, The New York Times is reporting. Profexer, whose real identity is unknown, wrote and sold malware on the dark web. The intelligence community publicly identified code he had written as a tool used in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee ahead of last year's presidential election. The hacker's activity on the web came to a halt shortly after the malware was identified. The New York Times, citing Ukrainian police, reported Wednesday that the individual turned himself into the FBI earlier this year and became a witness for the bureau in its investigation. FBI investigators are probing Russian interference efforts and whether there was coordination between associates of President Trump's campaign and Moscow. Special counsel Robert Mueller is heading the investigation.
Profexor - Ukrainian - hacking? (Score:2)
Ukraine != Russia (Score:1)
So the Russian government is employing Ukrainian hackers. This doesn't make sense.
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Jesus, read some history and read up on the current state of Ukraine. There are plenty of Putin Poodles still living in Ukraine, and get this, they are still Ukranians. Yeah, I know, it is hard to believe. Even harder to believe is that there are Republicans in the U.S. who think Putin is just their kind of guy, that bare-chested manliness does it for them.
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Like a Ukrainian hacker is going to turn himself in... without direction from the Communist Party.... To cause havoc in our political system.
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He would if it means he stays alive. People involved have a habit of dying.
THIS TIME...it HAS TO BE TRUE! (Score:1)
I mean, the NYT has been right with 100% of the Russia stuff so far, right?
Every single week, usually every single day, another Russia story, and they have ALL turned out to be true, right?
And EVERYBODY knows how much Ukrainians LOVE Russia, right?
Muh Russia.
Muh Russia.
Muh Russia...
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Compare the charlottesville vs barcelona. The first case, the media is trying to claim that it's "domestic terrorism." In the second case, they're claiming that it's a "van crash" while avoiding using the word terrorism as best as possible.
Slashdot (Score:1, Troll)
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WTF ails BeauHD? (Score:1)
Does he not have access to youtube or something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] yadayadayada....
What the hell are ya doin' Beau...?
fun with words (Score:2)
from TFS: "turned himself into the FBI"
Ah, yes ... reminds me of the magician who was walking down the street and turned into a convenience store.
Alternative wording- try "turned himself in to the FBI". Much less disruptive to law enforcement.
Krebs On Security dusputes this (Score:2)
Brian Krebs has a blog post today claiming the NYT is incorrectly attributing these claims.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/08/blowing-the-whistle-on-bad-attribution/ [krebsonsecurity.com]
Ukraine Russia (Score:2)
Last I checked, the Ukraine and Russia were practically at war. I'm not sure how the involvement of a Ukrainian automatically means a Putin managed it.
Durrppp Nazis are very fine people... (Score:2, Funny)
durrrpp... Nazis? There's nothing wrong with Nazis..
Nazis just love Robert E Lee, because he is a traitor just like Donald Trump.
There are good neo-Nazis who just want to walk around with torches screaming anti-semitic slurs and threatening violence. They are very fine people. Just like Robert E Lee, a very fine traitor.
Durrppp I'm such a trashy wannabee Nazi that I support traitors like Donald Trump and Robert E Lee.
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> I only seem worse than Nazis to you, because you are a Nazi sympathizer,
Senator McCarthy? Is that you?
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No. You are just another fascist. It doesn't matter how much you kid yourself.
Our founding values are not something to abandon the moment they become inconvenient for you. Even the biggest far left nut job out there (Chomsky) manages to acknowledge this even if the rest of you won't any more.
Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:4, Insightful)
Donald Trump colluded....
By committing what crime(s)?
I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here. I've heard a lot of people claiming that there was a crime or multiple crimes, but nobody can point to any actual laws that they think where broken,. I dare you, come up with an actual law that got broken by Trump or his Campaign related to the Russians... I'm starting to think there isn't anything. And while you are at it, what crimes did the Russians commit that had any affect on the election?
Donald Trump continues to obstruct investigations into Russia's election hacking and refuses to protect our country against Russian attacks.
How on earth is he doing this? Firing Comey? Asking him to let Flynn go? Is that all you got or is there more? You do realize that neither of these things had any affect on your supposed investigations. You also heard that Comey admitted that Trump wasn't under investigation before h was let go, under oath, after his departure, before congress. There is no obstruction here.
Donald Trump's behavior is the literal definition of treason.
Only in your contrived "Trumped up" accusations of criminal activity by Trump would this be Treason. EVEN IF he did what you claim, you are claiming that what he did meets the Constitutional definition of Treason? LOL.. I think you are nuts..
Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:4, Informative)
One aspect: Accepting material help from foreigners in a political campaign. The foreigner was an agent of a semi-hostile foreign government, and promised the help through criminally obtained materials. In return the foreign power wanted influence on US policy ("adoptions" is code for Magnitsky Act which are actually powerful economic sanctions targeted at oligarchs and the means of corrupt control in Russia). (If the person were domestic, it would be already bribery).
We don't know what is in the intelligence intercepts, but it appears to be enough to convince judges to agree to search warrants various times.
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Ok.. So which law is this? If you find one, there are a couple of other campaigns which may have some legal issues too.
I ask for the actual law because it is important that we know exactly what the imagined crime here is. Given your wording, I don't suppose that talking to a Russian would be enough for it to be a crime, but I'd like to see the law you think got broken so we can argue specifics.
Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:5, Informative)
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Patent Lover's post deserves mod points, whether you believe any of this happened or not - the article spells out the legal specifics regarding what's being investigated quite well.
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Weak as in insufficient to get a prosecution unless someone goes jury shopping, and almost certainly too weak to secure a conviction.
Why? Because there is no tangible evidence that anything of value was exchanged. Every single public claim has evaporated under scrutiny. Even the Don Jr. story was that he met with a Russian woman in exchange for information on Hillary Clinton that never was delivered - and even if useful information had been delivered, you wo
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One aspect: Accepting material help from foreigners in a political campaign. The foreigner was an agent of a semi-hostile foreign government
Russia is our ally. One one the few that matter.
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You will see no such charges (Score:3)
By that measure, multiple Democrats would be guilty also. See the "dossier" and Democratic party members who colluded with the Ukraine to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort.
Because they would have to charge people in both parties, you simply won't see it happen. On the 1 in a trillion chance they do make such a charge, it would be on a toady that actually did the handling of information and cash that would be guilty. Hillary and Donald would be free of any such charge.
Contrary to popular belief, Politicians re
Stop watching Rachel Maddow... (Score:3, Informative)
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Was going to mod, but instead I'll comment.
I don't watch the news, let alone any faux-news (CNN/Fox/Etc). If I see it in the breakroom at work on the TV, I shut off the TV. I have co-workers who LOVED following Spicer and would talk about him constantly. It's just all garbage, smoke, and mirrors for the most part.
I do check the news on the internet, but not a lot. I don't do IG, FB, or Twitter. While I probably miss a lot of things, I also miss a lot of the bullshit. But it it hard to completely avoid
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I have seen some indications of illegal collusion between Trump and Russia. Not nearly enough to convict on, but enough to justify an investigation. Have you any evidence of illegal collusion in the DNC? Bear in mind that the DNC is a private organization, no law I know of specifies how political parties shall select their candidates, and that I haven't seen accusations of miscounting of primary votes or delegates.
Disclaimer: I supported Sanders at the district-level Democratic convention.
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Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:5, Informative)
US code 441 e
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/... [gpo.gov]
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly,
to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution
or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering
communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:5, Insightful)
US code 441 e
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/ [gpo.gov]...
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful forâ"
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly,
to makeâ"
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution
or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering
communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
If there were financial records to prove this it would have been plastered on every network and all over the 'net by now and you know it.
I'm no fan of Trump. IMO he has no real and solid ideological nor political beliefs or principles, beyond those of a rich NYC real estate developer.
He may be dirty, he may not. But what's happening is not an impartial look at facts & law. In fact, the shitstorm of obvious bullshit and false accusations that are being detonated about every single thing Trump says or does, or hell, anything anyone dreams up that he maybe might do/have done will actually *HELP TRUMP GET AWAY WITH IT IF HE **IS** GUILTY*, FFS!
If he's broken the law, you're damned straight I want his ass prosecuted! Don't go fucking it up with all this bullshit, you idiots! Think beyond your nose!
Strat
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He may be dirty, he may not.
This is right up there with "there may be good people among the alt-right neo-Nazis". How many eyes do you need to close to not see that Trump is and always has been dirty? From the Trump University scam to the 1980's cancellation of permits to build Trump Casino in Sydney because of demonstrable mafia connections, there is plenty of dirt on this guy for anyone who has their eyes open to see. And why won't he release his tax returns?
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"Not only that investigators are starting to resign from Mueller's team."
Hmm, if that's true, it worths a separate investigation, why.
Any sudden deaths too?
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That would be investigator, note the singular and stop talking out of your ass. We do not know why he stepped down, could be anything, just use your imagination, it doesn't seem to know any bounds.
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US code 441 e https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/... [gpo.gov]
441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for— (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make— (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 434(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
OK, So we are talking about something valuable and tangible, money, donations a roll of film, something you can point to or hold in your hand or a service you can identify and say "Here, this is the item(s) given that has value". Correct?
Now, I assume you already have an idea what item(s) of value where given or received. Tell us what that was.
Now, if you are talking about items in paragraph C, it's not Trump's issue if the Russians did any of these things. Reading paragraph (2) clearly excepts the stu
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30 years ago, the teams were more or less amicable. Now, it's pretty much hatred all around. People are no longer friends because one is
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The vast majority of people aren't rational in their political beliefs. They belong to a team, and whatever the team believes is what they believe.
That sums up the situation very well. I wish I still had mod points.
You can't believe different things from me because you have different experiences and values, it's because you are evil.
I'd disagree with this statement. It's become more "my team believes the exact opposite of your team, and its part of my fundamental belief system" Note that both parties have planks strongly tied to religion, although one has gone much further than the other. For instance, Republicans: anti-abortion, Democrats: anti-death penalty. Rationally, you cannot be anti-abortion (sanctity of life) and pro capital punishment but the Republicans mana
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Sure you can. It's not even that much of a logical leap...you are leaving out a word. Sanctity of unborn life, where that life is presumed innocent of sin (note: I'm an atheist, just borrowing terms here). Whereas, capital punishment is applied to people who, at least in the United States, murder with special circumstances - basicall
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How do you figure? From a purely biological perspective, all life exists at the expense of some other life. Even plants poison and crowd out their competitors. Now, if you argue that morality and/or ethics can exist independently of religion, then I agree with you. All three are human constructions. It does not follow, however, that the life of a murderer is just as sacred as the life of an unborn child (or fetus).
Likewise, lots o
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If the Clinton Foundation doesn't involve itself in politics, it doesn't fall under that law. It uses words like "election" and "political" and "electioneering".
Clinton is a traitor (Score:2)
Timeline of Treason (Score:5, Informative)
Before the election
Dec. 10, 2015
Lt. Gen Michael Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of government-backed Russia Today, for which he receives payment (The Washington Post, Aug. 15, 2016). Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event (CNN, May 19, 2017).
Late 2015
British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to American intelligence agencies (The Guardian, April 13, 2017).
March 19, 2016
Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, likely precipitating the hack of his account (CBS News, Oct. 28, 2016).
March 21
During an interview with The Post, Trump lists Carter Page as part of his foreign policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox (WP, March 21, 2016).
March 28
Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidante Roger Stone (New York Times, March 28, 2016). Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That deal followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could "greatly benefit the Putin Government." His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009 (Associated Press, March 22, 2017). Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party's leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country's presidency. Yanukovych would later be ousted. (WP, Aug. 19, 2016)
April 27
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) may have met with Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump (CNN, May 31, 2017).
June
At a closed-door meeting of foreign policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively (WP, Aug. 5, 2016).
June 9
Donald Trump, Jr., Manafort and son-in-law Jared Kushner meet at Trump Tower with a Kremlin-connected attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya's efforts to reverse a law passed in 2012 sanctioning Russians suspected of human rights violations at some point drew the attention of the FBI. The meeting was not initially reported to the government by Kushner as required when he took a position with the administration (Times, July 8, 2017). After the meeting was originally reported, Trump, Jr. admitted that the pretext for the conversation was that he believed Veselnitskaya to have information incriminating Hillary Clinton (Times, July 9, 2017).
June 15
A hacker calling himself "Guccifer 2.0" releases the Democratic National Committee's research file on Donald Trump (Gawker, June 15, 2016). News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers (WP, June 14, 2016).
July
At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump's campaign (Wired, March 20, 2017).
July 7
Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture (NYT, April 19, 2017). The Trump campaign approved the trip (USA Today, March 7, 2017). This trip was likely the catalyst for the FBI's request for a secret surveillance warrant to track Pageâs communications (WP, May 25, 2017).
July 11 or 12
Trump campaign staffers intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party's national security platform to remove language call arming Ukraine against Russian aggression. (July 18, 2016).
July 18
At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation (WP, March 2, 2017).
Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd's "Lock her up!" chant. "If I, a guy who knows this business, if I
Re: Timeline of Treason (Score:4, Funny)
Well yeah, but besides THAT, what have you got?
Re: Timeline of Treason (Score:3, Insightful)
Which of those is illegal, and under which statutes?
Re: Timeline of Treason (Score:4, Informative)
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Which of those is illegal, and under which statutes?
I doubt he has done much illegal if anything. If you were in on a conspiracy to collude with the Russian, would you let Mister Rage Tweet in on it? Unless they come up with some financial thing unrelated with the Presidency, the worst he is probably responsible for is firing Comey in an attempt to interfer with an investigation. His son seems to have agreed to join into a conpsiracy, even if there was no conspiracy. I could see his son getting smacked and then him doing something illegal to try and save hi
Re: Timeline of Treason (Score:2)
No, treason is a crime. In fact, is spelled out quite nicely. None of those rise to the level of treason, however. You may dislike them but Russia isn't actually our enemy. We haven't had an formal enemies in a long time. Even during the Cold War, prosecution was for Espionage and not Treason. Why? Not even the USSR was our formal enemy.
Trump isn't guilty of the crime of treason. Sorry. I don't much care for him, but you're going to need a crime he's actually guilty of.
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We haven't had an formal enemies in a long time. Even during the Cold War, prosecution was for Espionage and not Treason. Why? Not even the USSR was our formal enemy.
Stop calling it the "Cold War" then, because as you have rightly stated no formal declaration of war made. Nuclear powers tend not to declare war on one another. It would be unseemly.
I guess the other people we bombed since World War II weren't "formal enemies" either, using your definition, because technically we never declared war on them. It's nice not having enemies. It makes for a happy planet.
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"Cold War" is a perfectly good term. There are lots of uses of the word "war" that do not involve formal declarations. We were in a state of war with Japan, for example, before they finally got around to declaring it. We were fighting a war with Germany from September 1941 on. I used to play a stupid card game called "War". The War on Poverty was not accompanied by air strikes and artillery bombardments targeting the poor sections of town. When Bugs Bunny got sufficiently ticked off, he's say "this
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The law is not pedantic nonsense. Read the fucking Constitution. It defines treason. They felt the definition was so important, they wrote the specific definition into the framework of the country so that the courts couldn't decide otherwise.
This is not a defense of Trump, it's a defense of honesty and reality. Trump's a fucking moron. You, however, are trying to be even dumber than Trump. Read the damned Constitution, for starters.
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No, the courts and our history have defined it that way. In order to be treason, it must be an enemy. In order to be an enemy, it must be official - namely, we must be in a war with them. We are not at war with Russia. We sure as hell aren't in a declared war with Russia. We surely aren't in an open war with Russia.
How about a link from a site you're likely to trust?
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
I'm REALLY trying to be polite but you're not helping. No, no you are not. I'm half convinced you're trolling,
In other words... (Score:2)
You have nothing. Nothing you listed is illegal, and everything you have listed seems normal for a transition team and business people. Why no stink with Obama met with dozens of foreign agencies before he was even elected, let along after he won? Ignoring history makes you look really dumb to most of us.
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Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:4, Insightful)
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As far as the American entirely corrupt Deep State is concerned, not paying corporate lobbyists hundreds of millions of dollars to buy politicians, is the most heinous crime, worthy of a death sentence. That lobbyists pay of politicians to start wars for profit and kill millions, is no crime at all, just the way business is done, just ask those lobbyists, well, ask them if you can afford to pay them to answer the questions, those fuckers don't do anything for free. Governments pay, corporations pay, despots
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Ah, the ominous Deep State reference, a conspiracy theorist's nightly wet dream. The only way for you to be free of that shibboleth is for all civil servants to be fired every 4 years. That will work wonders for a functioning government with no institutional memory of how anything works...but maybe that would make you happy.
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I like how the argument has shifted from "There's no evidence of collusion" to "Collusion isn't technically a crime". They will find enough for impeachment - don't kid yourself.
I've always been asking the question "What does collusion actually mean?" How's that a crime?
But hey, I'm asking for theories about actual criminal activity... What laws got broken here and by whom? How could this accusation that Trump (or his campaign) did anything illegal be true? I'm not seeing it... I'm not seeing what laws might have been broken... So tell me, what do you think it is?
Re:Donald Trump is a traitor (Score:5, Informative)
As I replied to your original post but you're still asking questions I'll link it here as well:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/... [gpo.gov]
Section e Paragraph a
Quoted above but the basics are that it's illegal to solicit, offer, or accept anything of value by a foreign national to help an election.
So there's the law.
It's also been cited in previous court cases in case you're wondering. And the judges summarized it pretty well in those cases as well. Just look online.
http://www.politico.com/static... [politico.com]
is a good example of a 2002 case.
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*Sorry, 2011 case that references the 2002 law.
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Are you alleging that Trump directly colluded with a foreign government, or that someone under him did? Will be Hillary be charged with Treason if Alexandra Chalupa is charged with colluding with a foreign government? Much more evidence that happened, but that doesn't change the question.
14 months after these allegations started there is still no evidence that Trump did anything wrong. I see a few very weak allegations based on anecdote that Flynn or Manafort did, but there are 0 (Zero, goose egg, nada)
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Fallacy logic (Score:2)
How many people has he fired over the Russia story?
Nothing like a massively broad generalization to attempt to portray a narrative, followed by a speculation based on 3rd party opinion instead of facts or the subject being attacked with this rhetoric.
Manafort was fired after a short stint on the campaign. Manafort having been in Ukraine, and Trump firing him to an independent observer looks like Trump didn't want people with potential ties to Russia on his team. Further evidence of this can be found in documents given to the various committees where a guy
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Nice theory you have there on why folks got fired (or replaced).
Manafort got replaced as campaign manager right after the convention. Nobody at the time was saying it was because he was colluding with the Russians. In fact, it just seemed like a change in the campaign structure as they moved from winning the nomination to the general election. But, even if it WAS what you claim, wouldn't this be the right thing to do? Fire some guy who was talking with the Russians and planning illegal activity? I thin
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There isn't enough evidence for any sort of court case. There is enough to justify an investigation. When the investigation concludes, we'll know more.
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Exactly.. But one has to add the following.. The democrats are using this to obstruct and delay by diminishing Trump's appeal and are hoping this translates into gains in the midterms and hopefully gives them a chance at retaking both Congress and the White House in 2020. It's politics of the scorched earth kind. They are playing a dangerous game and I think it's going to backfire.
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Don't worry, Trump is doing his best to alienate everyone outside his core group of supporters, who are really loyal, and not numerous enough to win elections.
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I've heard this observation before... During the primaries.. Then again during the general election.... I not so sure it was right back then, along with the "he has no path to 270" observation which was obviously wrong.. Perhaps it's still wrong? I wonder..
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I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
If there is an accusation, then rather than demanding evidence it would be more normal to ask if there was an investigation.
And if there is an investigation happening right now, it would be normal to expect to have to wait until the end of the process to find out if there is an indictment, and then still not to know what the evidence is in detail until the trial is happening.
It is not rational to demand the sort of details
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Oh you misunderstand my point.. I'm asking for THEORIES, based on law. Find me the actual law that was broken, or all the evidence is meaningless anyway.
There are a bunch of folks acting like there was an obvious crime or two committed here, so I'm asking for someone to tell me what they propose said crime(s) actually are. Give me the law or laws that where possibly broken so we can discuss what kinds of evidence you need to support the conclusion of a crime having been committed. I'm just asking for some
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Oh, I did understand. Read it again while giving the benefit of the doubt that I do understand, and you'll have a better chance at comprehension.
And all these questions are ones I already answered above. If you could read, you'd know that.
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Then... Why is it not rational to not demand that somebody come up with a plausible theory that is based on actual law?
Until somebody comes up with some actual criminal theories falling out of actual law, investigating is nothing more than a witch hunt. This "We KNOW he did something wrong, we just don't yet know what it is..." Doesn't fly with me, is impossible to discuss or investigate such blanket claims. Not to mention that such claims are basically unfair on their face.
But that's where the democra
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Someone posted laws that show that most foreign influence in US elections is illegal, and it's illegal to solicit any such. From what I've seen, it's plausible that the Trump campaign cooperated with Russia to influence the elections in illegal ways. Trump did ask Russia for Clinton's emails, which could be illegal under USC 441, parts of which were posted by another, but even if that were technically a violation I can't see it being prosecuted. We'll know more when the investigation is concluded.
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Trump did ask Russia for Clinton's E-mail.... For Pete's sake, that was a JOKE during a debate. I don't suppose Hillary thought it to be a funny one, but I sure did. Trump slammed her pretty hard on this topic, and those E-mails will never be found at this point because Hillary had them destroyed.
So... Did Russia cough up said E-mails? Um, nope. Actually, Russia didn't... I know, you are thinking the WiKi Leaks E-mail leak was this very thing....Sorry that would be wrong. The E-mail from that source whe
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> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
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> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
They are not at the stage of a trial yet. They are now investigating whether or not a crime has been committed, and if so what the indictment would read like. All extremely standard operating procedure.
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> I generally prefer to determine if a crime was committed by the outcome of the trial.
The funny thing about that is that you need a FUCKING INDICTMENT first. That means you SPELL OUT EXACTLY what crime was committed and by whom.
Feel free to continue reading my comment past the first few words and you'll find the part where I talked about that stage of the process.
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Yea, that's my impression of this too. This is about keeping Trump from doing things by keeping up this specter of illegal activity by forever investigating something that never happened..
It's about politics, not about finding the truth. It's about disabling as much of Trumps political power as possible to prevent him from achieving any of his major goals or policies.. In short, it's all a sham...
Sad thing here is a lot of their base seems to be swallowing the whole idea, hook line and sinker....
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The only thing preventing Trump from "doing things" is his own incompetence. Maybe he'll be able to restart the Civil War, now that would be something he could do.
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Yea, but he's doing what he can with that phone and pen, which is pretty much all Obama could do without Congress' help as well. Seems he's undoing a lot of Obama's policies, you just don't know about it because the media is obsessed with being critical of him in order to sell advertising with their latest "bombshell" story about Trump.
Personally, I blame Congress for most of the issue here, but hey, you can blame Trump if you like (or if it suits your political purposes)
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You are not even trying here. It took all of 1 minute to track down the actual law. And if I can do that without too much effort with just a single google search you might want to go back to the Fox News forums and let them know not to go to Tech websites where we can actually RTFM when asked.
The law you're "looking" for is US Code 441 section e paragraph a. Abbreviated in many places online as: U.S.C. 441e(a)
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/... [gpo.gov]
Which states the same thing that has been repeated many times on a
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When did Trump do that? I'm legitimately curious.
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Donald Trump colluded....
By committing what crime(s)?
I've never had anybody actually explain what crime was committed by Trump or his Campaign here. I've heard a lot of people claiming that there was a crime or multiple crimes, but nobody can point to any actual laws that they think where broken,. I dare you, come up with an actual law that got broken by Trump or his Campaign related to the Russians...
1) Donald Jr. attended a meeting with the intent of getting campaign assistance in the form of Intel from the Russian Government. This arguably violated campaign finance law [vox.com]. It's not an open and shut legal argument, but it isn't absurd either, and that he tried to get the info from the Russian government is abundantly clear.
2) Multiple members of Trump's campaign have been caught omitting foreign contacts from security clearance forms, in violation of the law.
3) Multiple members of Trump's campaign have be
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Showing support for Nazis is literally "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" which is the legal definition of treason.
When you say there are "very fine" Nazis, you are showing support for them. Trump said exactly that.
Anyway, there is a pretty sizable investigation by an Independent Prosecutor going on right now. Subpoenas. Grand juries. Let the process run it's course and then let's revisit th
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Showing support for Nazis is literally "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" which is the legal definition of treason.
Seriously? Got to trump up such nonsense to bludgeon Trump with? He doesn't support such groups, never has and likely never will. Of all the ridiculous charges to make. Even a cursory review of Trump's public statements on such things makes it clear you are obviously wrong.
Haven't you figured out yet that the media isn't telling you the whole truth here? Certainly the democrats are lying about Trump for political purposes. Yet you blindly accept what they say? Sad...
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Truly only a billionaire could afford to buy and wear so many hats...
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Donald Trump colluded with Russia's attack on our democracy and continues to cover up Russian crimes.
Donald Trump continues to obstruct investigations into Russia's election hacking and refuses to protect our country against Russian attacks.
Donald Trump's behavior is the literal definition of treason.
I know you think you mean something but not really. Here is the literal definition of treason under U.S. Law
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States .
---18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... [cornell.edu]
It isn't even treason under the common usage of treason but that's another matter.
The best you might get is an FEC violation or possibly espionage. If you are going to get upset about election code violations well that's a can of worms I would be more than glad to open but!!!, Bill, Hillary and Barack almost certainly wouldn't. I'd be happy to see them all in Jail wit
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So you want him to roll over onto his back and show his belly to persecution by those that hate him solely for the fact that he won an election.
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