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Hollywood Sees Illegal Streaming Devices as 'Piracy 3.0' (torrentfreak.com) 178

After hunting down torrent sites for more than a decade, Hollywood now has a more complex piracy threat to deal with. From a report: Piracy remains a major threat for the movie industry, MPA Stan McCoy said yesterday during a panel session at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. Much like Hollywood, copyright infringers are innovators who constantly change their "business models" and means of obtaining content. Where torrents were dominant a few years ago, illegal streaming devices are now the main threat, with McCoy describing their rise as Piracy 3.0. "Piracy is not a static challenge. The pirates are great innovators in their own right. So even as we innovate in trying to pursue these issues, and pursue novel ways of fighting piracy, the pirates are out there coming up with new business models of their own," McCoy said. "If you think of old-fashioned peer-to-peer piracy as 1.0, and then online illegal streaming websites as 2.0, in the audio-visual sector, in particular, we now face challenge number 3.0, which is what I'll call the challenge of illegal streaming devices."
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Hollywood Sees Illegal Streaming Devices as 'Piracy 3.0'

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  • shitty content (Score:5, Insightful)

    by epyT-R ( 613989 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:44PM (#54538169)

    Shitty content is the main threat these days. High prices too.

    • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *
      And lack of availability. There's absolutely nothing stopping content providers/publishers from streaming their own content for a small monthly fee - after all Netflix, Amazon and Hulu have proven there's a market and the setup is not a billion dollar investment. But these fuckers are too lazy to adapt their business, thinking they'll get away with charging inflated prices for their "scarce" crap forever.
  • FTFY (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:48PM (#54538195)

    Unlike Hollywood, copyright infringers are innovators who constantly change their "business models"

    • Unlike Hollywood, copyright infringers are innovators who constantly change their "business models"

      I can't believe I'm about to (kinda sorta) go to bat for the MPAA - I've got *no* love for them, their accountants, their lawyers, or their DRM, so I feel just a little bit dirty posing this question. The argument above is an easy +5 Insightful when the topic of the MPAA is brouht up, but I've yet to hear a viable business model that isn't either 1) already implemented, 2) impractical, 3) deemed 'obsolete', or 4) worked around in some manner. Here's the list that I could come up with...

      -Physical sales. This

  • half-true (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:51PM (#54538225)

    'Much like Hollywood, copyright infringers are innovators who constantly change their "business models"'

    The pirates are innovative and change their business models.

    Hollywood?
    Not so much.....

  • What the hell... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:53PM (#54538233) Journal

    Just what the hell is an "illegal streaming device" ? Are there manufacturers out there making illegal devices that people are using? If so, how are these getting imported without the FTC stepping in?

    Or is this just another case of Hollywood idiocy using terms they barely understand to talk about a technology they absolutely don't understand and want to squeeze back into the metaphorical toothpaste tube instead of embracing?

    Is this some hyperbolic way of saying that my PLEX server is somehow illegal, because apparently format-shifting isn't allowed anymore under fair-use rules in their minds? Was the Betamax decision reversed when nobody was looking?

    • Re:What the hell... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by darkain ( 749283 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:58PM (#54538271) Homepage

      The devices themselves are not illegal. They're referring to the abundant amount of Android set top boxes available on Amazon and eBay. The thing with these though is that they come pre-loaded with Kodi, plus plugins for Kodi for easy access to illegal streaming services. This is just another example of a tool which can be used for either side being slandered just because it COULD be used for illegal activities. I, however, have one of these boxes and love it. I use it to stream from a root-top mounted digital OTA TV receiver that streams the TV channels over LAN. I get nearly perfect reception on 56 TV stations now, vs questionable reception from about 20 before. Without the Android box, I wound't have a way to watch this legit content otherwise!

      • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

        In other words these are the equivalent of bog standard HTPC devices that have been around for years and years already. It's just now that there are cheap Android versions and they're on sale at Amazon.

        Most of what gets played on my "illegal streaming devices" are shows and movies that should be out of copyright by now.

        They were bought and paid for long ago.

        So there's no more blood to be squeezed from that particular turnip ever.

        • Or even better, I'm using Kodi as a front-end to MythTV, which is recording crap that they are broadcasting over-the-air without any encryption or expectation that someone isn't 'time-shifting' it, as everyone has been doing since the 1980s.

      • I get nearly perfect reception on 56 TV stations now, vs questionable reception from about 20 before.

        I'm an over-the-air enthusiast too, but I'm missing something here.

        How does a set-top box that runs Kodi improve the quantity or quality of OTA stations that you can receive?

        • by darkain ( 749283 )

          https://www.silicondust.com/ [silicondust.com]

          I use a HDHomeRun sitting about 15ft cable length from the antenna to minimize OTA signal loss. The stations are then transmitted from that box over LAN to the Android KODI box (or any other device on the network I happen to be using at the time). With this, I was able to position an external roof mounted antenna in the optimum location for reception without having to worry about signal degradation over a length of coax.

          • by GPS Pilot ( 3683 )

            Oh, got it. I'm surprised a long cable run had that profound of an impact on the number of stations you can receive. One time I experimented with swapping a 100-ft piece of coax for a short piece, and the attenuation was not too bad.

            Anyway, I have a mast-mounted high gain amp [channelmaster.com], which more than overcomes all the splitters and long cable runs in my setup. You might want to try one too. Maybe you can get yourself up to 70 channels.

    • Re:What the hell... (Score:5, Informative)

      by the_skywise ( 189793 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:09PM (#54538377)
      "Illegal streaming device" = "any box Hollywood doesn't control" - this includes YouTube to a certain extent until Google played ball. From a more prophetic standpoint I think the various devices are turning into de-facto cable boxes and I think Hollywood is looking into making their content available only to exclusive devices - let alone services as they do now. (Although it'll probably end up looking like the DVD consortium where only approved device makers that agree to monopolistic conditions get licensed to stream content) Besides, your format-shifting causes children to starve because you're not paying your fair share to the artists who labor long and hard to bring you quality entertainment. Same thing when you skip over ads you thief! (The making and authorized distribution of this comment supported over 15,000 jobs)
      • not really.

        The summary on ./ is paraphrasing to skew the outrage. The representative actually said in the interview that the software (Kodi) isn't illegal.

        • by swimboy ( 30943 )

          No, the actual quote was

          "McCoy stressed that the devices themselves, and software such as Kodi, are ‘probably’ not illegal."

          They used typical weasel-wording so that they could pretend that the software *is* illegal, even though they 'probably' said the opposite.

      • From a more prophetic standpoint I think the various devices are turning into de-facto cable boxes and I think Hollywood is looking into making their content available only to exclusive devices - let alone services as they do now.

        Where do these devices get content?

    • I believe they are implying the pre-configured "kodi boxes" that you can buy that are pretty much plug-n-play preconfigured to give you access to the illegal stuffs...

      They even state in the article that the software itself is not illegal.

      • Not illegal yet. I'm sure their lawyers and lobbyists are already trying to figure out how to change that. Ideally within the next two or four years, before the political pendulum might swing and they lose their current advantage.

  • by Steve Jackson ( 4687763 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @03:56PM (#54538261)
    Thats how it used to be... You entertained, and were well fed and regularly boarded. Now, we adorn you with gold and diamonds, and allow you rob us blind for every song, every movie, and every music video. Every second off the night and day. All while greater Men and Women do the actual WORK of society. Many of whom do jobs FAR more important than the task of entertaining the masses. (Maintaining a power reactor, monitoring the environment, servicing a commercial airplane...) Though these people all make FAR LESS than you all do. Though we continually hear you all whine and complain about how poor you all are... Its pathetic. Seriously. To the point that I have boycotted the movies entirely, and have not purchased any music in about 20 years. As I am certain others have. Get a Grip Hollywood... You cannot fly around in a private jet that drinks $10,000 an hour in fuel, and tell us all to be more frugal, friendly to the envirnment and not to clip your overpriced "auto-tune fabricated", over/under acted, CRAP from the interwebs... Yours Truly, the People who Feed and Clothed you for the past 3500+ years...
    • I have nothing particularly against piracy, but if you think that making entertainment isn't work, then I cordially invite you to enter the industry and pay your dues. You will enjoy not having a family life anymore, when you're pulling 12+shifts sitting in front of a screen doing repetitive tasks without any glamour whatsoever. Just because it's fun to watch movies doesn't mean it isn't real work to make them. The vast majority of people who work in entertainment don't make millions. For every wealthy acto

      • There is no reason films have to cost what they do now. The ENTIRE INDUSTRY is inflated and needs a serious knock back down to reality. There is literally no reason to spend $200 million to make one movie, ever. Dont even get me started on Hollywood accounting. look jack, because of your industry, copyright is absurdly long. We have NO LOVE FOR YOU. I hate copyright more than you hate piracy. Piracy is a check on your industry's rampant and abusive greed. The movie industry has done more damage to general c
        • "I have nothing particularly against piracy"
          "My reasons against hating piracy"

          Where did I say I hated piracy? Where did I say I worked in film?

          AAA video games also have budgets now approaching and sometimes exceeding a hundred million, because they have to employ hundreds to thousands of people for years---and supply specialized IT infrastructure for all of them as well. None of these people are millionaires. You do the math. Do you want to have fun? Get a job and work 80 hours a week making eyeballs for se

  • by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:03PM (#54538313)

    You know, if these hollywood types were to be believed; the feds should encourage people to pirate CP, since that would put them out of business.

    But really the average pirate fits into a few categories

    1. they weren't going to buy it anyways. revenue lost: 0.
    2. they want to buy it, but you refuse to sell to them. revenue lost.
    3. they did buy it, but you make it more convenient to use a pirated copy (unskippable bullshit menus, insistence on optical media) revenue lost: 0 (unless you truly expect people to buy it more than once?)
    4. they would buy it, but it's priced too high. revenue lost: debateable. it's just as much the industries fault for not pricing their product appropriately. But easier to blame the pirates.

    Piracy makes for an excellent boogeyman, since anytime revenue numbers don't meet expectations they can blame pirates. Anytime congress needs to be pestered to get more favorable laws and such for your industry, pirates can be blamed.

    side note: piracy is not the right word, nor is theft. if i download something from TPB, i'm not *stealing* from anyone. I'm not depriving anyone of their copy of said item.

    Side note 2: how much innovation has been the direct result of 'piracy' over the years? How many times have we heard of some start up that started out using less than legit software, only to become billion dollar companies (and then immediately turn around join the BSA or similar?)

    • Side note 2: how much innovation has been the direct result of 'piracy' over the years? How many times have we heard of some start up that started out using less than legit software, only to become billion dollar companies (and then immediately turn around join the BSA or similar?)

      I disagree with the implication that Google/YouTube has become legitimate. They are simply too ubiquitous and large to sue. Besides, how would lawyers planning to sue Google communicate or make their lawsuit known without Google being able to see and subvert the effort?

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      5. they would buy it, but since they can get it for free they do.

      I mean seriously, how many of us have too much money? If I can spend less on something, I can spend more on something else. If I'm not particularly bothered with it being wrong because I don't believe so or I don't care and/or I'm not particularly bothered with it being illegal because the risk so so low, then of course I won't spend money on it. Well okay maybe exceptionally, for a small sum because that's what most people who put up tip jar

      • 5. they would buy it, but since they can get it for free they do.

        I mean seriously, how many of us have too much money? If I can spend less on something, I can spend more on something else.

        My general strategy is that if the movie I want to watch is at redbox, I pay for it, otherwise, I search for it on google and generally find a pirated copy. I don't pirate because I'm not willing to pay for it. I pirate because I'm not willing to pay $4 to rent a movie that I can buy on amazon for the same price. They aren't even trying. Do a search for the movie "Mrs Doubtfire" on amazon. You can own the DVD with free prime shipping for $4. So guess how much the digital version is? $14 to buy or $4

        • costs considerably more to buy the digital movie than buy the physical version and in some cases more to rent the digital version than to buy the physical version. In what world does this make sense?

          In a world where physical version has already became liability.

          I dont watch movies, but when I buy computer games I want them to be on steam. I actively AVOID buying the physical copies as I find them inconvenient. I do have some of them for old games, but honestly I should just throw them away as I haven't even touched them for the last 6 years (since I moved into my current place). I have even bought some of those games again on steam or gog so that I can actually play them in convenient way.

          For movies th

    • by Altrag ( 195300 )

      side note: piracy is not the right word, nor is theft.

      Give it up already. Words change. Your mouse isn't a rodent. Your keyboard has buttons rather than keys and your desktop has nothing to do with a desk, so why aren't you complaining about those word redefinitions?

      Piracy and copyright infringement, in 2017, are synonymous phrases (and have been for a few years now) in the context of intellectual property. Just learn to live with it and go spend your time fighting a battle that actually matters.

      • It's hardly even an in insult. The world's most popular piracy website is called The Pirate Bay. Pirates have their own culture, adorned in treasure chests, flags, and stylish swords. They wear the label of pirate with pride now, and embrace it.

  • by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:04PM (#54538323)
    “Horseless carriages remain a major threat to the farrier industry” - decried Gideon McTrotnstink .
  • Solution (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:10PM (#54538391)

    Offer a compelling product that allow people to watch stuff online, easily and quickly, at a reasonable price.
    Piracy is a distribution problem. You try can fight it all you want, if you're not providing a platform that's good and available in more than just 1 country (USA), you're asking for it.

  • by DiscountBorg(TM) ( 1262102 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:14PM (#54538419)

    Sorry to rain on the buzzword parade,but I'm pretty sure version 1.0 was copying sheet music and forging paintings, and 2.0 was copying cassette and VCR tapes. If I've missed a step there please feel free to fill me in.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Owning your own physical media with movies on it will soon be Piracy 4.0, because it prevents the companies from charging you per view.

  • by ArhcAngel ( 247594 ) on Friday June 02, 2017 @04:21PM (#54538471)
    The MPAA spends far more money fighting copyright infringement than they lose in actual infringement.
  • Spare me to self-righteous moral talk. As if these big shots really value copyright. What the main dispute is is just money. If there's no money in it, would they really care about such things? So don't twist justice for your own gain. Ultimately, is it really your right? You are merely borrowing rights from others and ultimately in turn, someone is giving things away for free at the top of the source. You brood of vipers.

  • We can create a commercial subscription service for like $15/mo and let people watch most anything they want and just divvy up the money based on what people like.

    In the same service we will allow purchase and rental of other shows for a reasonable charge.
    (if netflix is only $12/mo for FOUR people no show should ever cost more than half that for a single season $25/season is ridiculous esp for a 12/yr old tv show)

    Of course this service will have all the ease of use of existing pirate services such as the no

    • Are you CRAZY?! Why in the hell would we ever give customers what they actually want!

      Every media mogul is convinced that they can get people to pay them more than their media is actually worth if they don't have to compete in a fair and open marketplace. At least most of them are wrong, but that doesn't stop them making things shittier for other people on their way to failuretown.

    • (if netflix is only $12/mo for FOUR people no show should ever cost more than half that for a single season $25/season is ridiculous esp for a 12/yr old tv show)

      They could start by reducing the price of the digital to the same price you can buy the physical. Amazon has a pretty broad selection of digital movies but many of the older titles are considerably cheaper to buy on DVD (with free 2 day shipping) than it is to buy the digital. In some cases you can buy the physical DVD on amazon for the same price or cheaper than you can rent it on amazon. This is ridiculous.

      • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

        Not just that but a DVD with a digital copy is often cheaper than a digital copy.

        It would be nice if amazon offered autorip for DVDs like they do for music.

  • the summary is poorly paraphrasing what the media rep stated, not sure if that's intentional or not, probably is. He stated clearly that he does not believe that Kodi is illegal. He talks about the plugins that you use to gain access to illegal streams.

    Also, by Kodi Box I believe he is talking about the pre-configured boxes that you can purchase that will have everything you need to access the illegal streams. Kind of like those iPods that were pre-filled with albums on ebay and craigslist. heh

  • Hollywood sees EVERYTHING as 'Piracy 3.0'

  • Someone remind me how many times Hollywood has ended...

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