Wikipedia Is Being Blocked In Turkey (turkeyblocks.org) 94
Nine hours ago, Ilgaz wrote:
The Turkey Blocks monitoring network has verified restrictions affecting the Wikipedia online encyclopedia in Turkey. A block affecting all language editions of the website [was] detected at 8:00AM local time Saturday 29 April. The loss of availability is consistent with internet filters used to censor content in the country.
stikves added Access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as a result of "a provisional administrative order" imposed by the Turkish Telecommunications Authority (BTK)... Turkey Blocks said an administrative blocking order is usually expected to precede a full court blocking order in coming days. While the reason for the order was unknown early on Saturday, a statement on the BTK's website said: "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, ADMINISTRATION MEASURE has been taken for this website (wikipedia.org) according to Decision Nr. 490.05.01.2017.-182198 dated 29/04/2017 implemented by Information and Communication Technologies Authority."
The BBC adds reports from Turkish media that authorities "had asked Wikipedia to remove content by writers 'supporting terror.'"
stikves added Access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as a result of "a provisional administrative order" imposed by the Turkish Telecommunications Authority (BTK)... Turkey Blocks said an administrative blocking order is usually expected to precede a full court blocking order in coming days. While the reason for the order was unknown early on Saturday, a statement on the BTK's website said: "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, ADMINISTRATION MEASURE has been taken for this website (wikipedia.org) according to Decision Nr. 490.05.01.2017.-182198 dated 29/04/2017 implemented by Information and Communication Technologies Authority."
The BBC adds reports from Turkish media that authorities "had asked Wikipedia to remove content by writers 'supporting terror.'"
Donald Trump congratulates Turkey's dictator (Score:4, Insightful)
Donald Trump has been instructed by Vladamir Putin to congratulate Turkey's dictator on his recent elimination of democracy in his country.
As a known secret agent working for Turkey on behalf of Russia, Michael Flynn said in an op-ed "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support"
Michael Flynn was working as a secret foreign agent when he wrote that op-ed, and Donald Trump knew he had found his new National Security Adviser.
It might not make sense to pick a secret foreign agent to be national security advisor, but you have to remember, Vladimir Putin picked our national security adviser, and it makes perfect sense to him.
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Reference here, since I looked it up:
Article in The Hill, By Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn (R), contributor - 11/08/16 [thehill.com]
It gets better. Those Turks are actually Russians. (Score:3)
Those "pro Turkey" lobbyists who paid him are actually Russians.
http://www.politico.com/story/... [politico.com]
The Turkish man who gave Mike Flynn a $600,000 lobbying deal just before President Donald Trump picked him to be national security adviser has business ties to Russia, including a 2009 aviation financing deal negotiated with Vladimir Putin, according to court records.
The man, Ekim Alptekin, has in recent years helped to coordinate Turkish lobbying in Washington with Dmitri "David" Zaikin, a Soviet-born former executive in Russian energy and mining companies who also has had dealings with Putin's government, according to three people with direct knowledge of the activities.
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Alptekin, in an interview, said he hired Flynn with his own money and did not coordinate any lobbying for the Turkish government. He also denied knowing Zaikin.
But Alptekin acknowledged that he has attended events and met with leaders of the Turkish Heritage Organization, a Washington-based group of Turkish-Americans loyal to Erdogan.
The organization was started when Zaikin asked a Washington-based international political consultant named John Moreira to help set it up, Moreira told POLITICO.
"Surprisingly", both Zaikin and Alptekin also had business deals with Putin.
In the 2000s, Zaikin was an executive in Russia's oil industry at a time when Putin was consolidating control over the country's mineral wealth to the financial benefit of himself and the circle of oligarchs who are his key supporters and associates.
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In 2008, Zaikin made a deal with an ex-KGB oligarch involved in the giant state oil company Gazprom. Zaikin's company sold the oligarch a 2.5 percent stake in a subsidiary, known as KNG, for shares worth $10, equivalent to valuing the entire subsidiary at $400, according to SEC disclosures.
That came less than two years after Zaikin's company bought KNG for the equivalent of $2.7 million.
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Alptekin has had his own business dealings in Russia.
As a partner in an investment group called ETIRC as early as 2006, Alptekin bought a stake in a New Mexico jet manufacturer called Eclipse Aviation.
In September 2008, Eclipse announced plans to build a $205 million factory in Russia financed by Russian state bank Vnesheconombank, whose board was chaired by Putin, then prime minister.
A photo in the trade press showed Putin personally inspecting one of Eclipse's jets.
And there's more...
It's almost as if it all connects back to Putin. Funny that.
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The only thing I can come with Turkey blocking Wikipedia is millions of students crying out in agony at the thought of having to go to the library instead of just using Wikipedia to do their homework, the horror. Russia being behind Turkey blocking Wikipedia, why does Russia all of a sudden hate Turkish school children?
US corruption, that's down to the highest bidder at any particular time, your choice of corporations or countries, beware the once bought they definitely do not stay bought unless extremely
The signs are there (Score:5, Insightful)
The signs are in place that Turkey is moving to a totalitarian regime. And they have come pretty far in that movement.
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Why do people downvote this ? He said a truism.
lol you sound smart. Your views are what you'd expect from someone who comes out with "he said a truism"
Re:The signs are there (Score:5, Insightful)
If even ten percent of the people arrested really were involved in the coup it would have succeeded.
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False attribution. 100% of the people arrested were involved. It's just that it wasn't a coup as much as it was a stunt to arrest those people.
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And yet, the EU is still in talks to have them join. Unbelievable.
Re:The signs are there (Score:5, Informative)
And yet, the EU is still in talks to have them join. Unbelievable.
Turkey's application to join the EU has not yet been formally rejected, but there are no "talks". Turkey is preparing to reinstate the death penalty, and the EU has already said that will result in their accession being formally rejected.
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https://www.ft.com/content/9b6... [ft.com]
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Thank you for linking to a paywall.
It was free to read when I first clicked on it. But in any case, you can copy paste the article title in Google and get plenty of other news sources saying the same thing.
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It doesn't really matter if they have talks or not - Turkey cannot join the EU in it's current state, because to join you have to legally fulfil certain conditions and that's enshrined in the very treaties that underly the existence of the EU in the first place.
The EU's hope is that by continuing talks it'll force Erdogan to backtrack, because he simply has to to join, there's no way to achieve movement on that without getting agreement to change the fundamental treaties that underpin the EU, and that requi
Re: The signs are there (Score:1)
Re:The signs are there (Score:4, Informative)
No. Stop spreading bullshit you have no fucking idea about. There's no chance in hell that Turkey will be able to join the EU and the chance is decreasing rapidly.
Even when there were talks (a long time ago) Turkey would have to change their system a lot to even be able to ask for a membership. Examples:
It is forbidden to insult Ataturk.
It is forbidden to talk about the internationally recognized and well documented Armenian genocide.
Human rights violations. Too many to list.
Trying to control media including the freedom of the press.
Multiple instances of trying to influence Turks living abroad in illegal ways, threats, spionage etc.
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Slim as you think the chances may be, they're still talking. https://www.dailysabah.com/eu-... [dailysabah.com]
Re:The signs are there (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no chance in hell that Turkey will be able to join the EU and the chance is decreasing rapidly.
Exactly. Turkey has been pushing to join the EU for decades now, and it has (of its own- or rather of Erdogan's- own volition) been moving further away from meeting the requirements to join.
Even a few years ago, before things got this bad, it was generally seen as clear that Erdogan was not interested in joining the EU- let alone meeting the conditions for membership- but only in exploiting it for political capital... particularly when they were rejected so he could blame them for anti-Muslim bias, say they had no intention of letting them in in the first place, and use it as an excuse to bolster his own autocratic regime.
It'll also be noted how Erdogan exploited the Syrian refugee crisis in an attempt to extort concessions from the EU by threatening non-cooperation and effectively swamping the EU with refugees coming via Turkey. With freedom of speech- let alone expression- being cracked down on to the current extent, with the state shamelessly exploiting its power to push its own message while persecuting and suppressing any opposition, Turkey has- like Russia- become a mockery of a democracy.
Erdogan got his way- regardless of whether the Turks themselves are decent people, this is not a country- in anything like its current state- it would be acceptable or remotely workable to have within the EU. But then, there was never a cat's chance in hell of this happening anyway (and now it's more like a snowman's chance).
If I'd thought there was *anything* like a realistic prospect of Erdogan's Turkey being allowed to join the EU, there's no way I'd have voted "Remain". (Spoiler; I voted "Remain".)
Of course, that didn't stop self-serving scum like Boris Johnson- the guy who shifted his allegiance to improve his own prospects of becoming Prime Minister- using this as a scaremongering tactic to promote the Leave case, and in an utterly shameless display of hypocrisy, once they'd won, saying they were going to help Turkey join the EU. [telegraph.co.uk] What a piece of shit.
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The big irony here is that Boris is of Turkish descent. Perhaps we should have pulled up the drawbridge a bit earlier.
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And yet, the EU is still in talks to have them join. Unbelievable.
No they aren't. The process for the Turkish ascension has been stonewalled for years. In the 14 years since the Turkish ascension started they have completed only one of the 33 required chapters of the acquis and are showing promise of completing only two others. By comparison Bulgaria, Croatia, Serbia, etc all managed their complete ascension in less time than it has taken Turkey to get this far.
In order to join the EU you must have a compatible legal system with the EU. You may have also missed the vote w
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And yet, the EU is still in talks to have them join. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable as in not actually happening? That's right. You'll have to find something else to clutch your pearls about. Everybody knows Turkey isn't joining the EU. Make sure you keep saying it is though, spin is more important than reality.
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Yea because the US Government is blocking websites they don't like all the time.
The US Government doesn't 'block' anything. They just seize the domain. Now the whole world is locked out.
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Meh. (Score:2)
No loose for the Turks, except for those that play Trivial Pursuit...
Way to go, Turkey! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Ssshhh! (Score:2)
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They only call it safe because most countries don't want any more muslims in but are too yellow to state that openly.
And the US website block? (Score:1)
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US citizens are not blocked from reading the same information on other sites.
Re:And the US website block? (Score:4, Insightful)
That is ridiculous. Removing or changing your own content is not the same as preventing access to somebody else's. Please think a little.
Re: And the US website block? (Score:3)
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That's because you don't seem to understand the difference:
Turkey:
Block access to third party published information.
USA:
Hasn't blocked anything. Simply removed a government website that contained content that wasn't inline with the current government's thinking. The content of this website has been copied elsewhere, and no attempt has been made to block people from viewing it.
These require a different response because they are very different cases. Claiming they are similar and should be met with the same o
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At least the economy is tanking now that the tourists stay away.
Sad they voted for it. Twitter is next - he said. (Score:3)
I must say: Turkey will get what they voted for. Unfortunately recovering from this will be much more pricey then getting into this s*t.
This shows the problem with democracy. Average people are dumb. As the result the dictator can be democratically elected.
According to what Erdogan already advertised the Twitter will be next and Facebook will follow. Not sure if I should be sympathetic with that country if majority is getting what they voted for. Although I am sympathetic with that smarter minority because history shows us that this smarter minority will sacrifice the most in the future when trying to fix mistakes of dumb majority.
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Twitter and Facebook wouldn't be a loss to me if they disappeared.
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Twitter and Facebook wouldn't be a loss to me if they disappeared.
I wish I was cool enough to dis social networks like a badass.
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Errr, it's very likely they didn't vote for this. You can read about the irregularities on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:
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I must say: Turkey will get what they voted for.
51.41% is a very small majority, especially in a country which has very limited freedom of press, where opponents are sent to jail and where ballot stuffing is practiced (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]).
The mass migration to Europe from Syria is nothing (Score:2)
The mass migration to Europe from Syria is nothing compared to the mass migration from Turkey that will happen in a few years.
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I also imagine that the Turks coming here from Turkey, will be in cahoots with the Turks who already lived here for years, in better circumstances, and more free than in Turkey, but who voted for Erdogan.