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Bad Year For Piracy: 2016 Was The Year Torrent Giants Fell ( 116

From a report on TorrentFreak: 2016 has been a memorable year for torrent users but not in a good way. Over a period of just a few months, several of the largest torrent sites vanished from the scene. From KickassTorrents, through Torrentz to, several torrent giants have left the scene.Another notable website which vanished is TorrentHound. ThePirateBay is back, but is often facing issues. Not long ago, ExtraTorrent noted that it was on the receiving end of several DDoS attacks.
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Bad Year For Piracy: 2016 Was The Year Torrent Giants Fell

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  • And yet... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:06PM (#53580767)

    .. i still have no problem downloading whatever im looking for.

  • by jandrese ( 485 ) <> on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:13PM (#53580815) Homepage Journal
    This shouldn't really be a surprise. Once you're big enough you have a giant target painted on your back both from the rightsholders and from people with an axe to grind. In the past there was always a steady churn of sites, and I fully expect that to keep happening as the well known sites are attacked and brought down and the vacuum appears again for startups to fill until they themselves get too big.
  • Decentralized Crime (Score:5, Interesting)

    by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:22PM (#53580875)

    Piracy has always been a story of decentralization. In fact nearly all crime will inevitably rely on a decentralized process. In order to build a large, powerful organization you can't have a larger, more powerful organization trying stop you.

    We saw this from the beginning. It started with streaming sites and warez sites, but those were trivial to target and eliminate. So people moved on to p2p in order to decentralize the crime. That worked until the law adapted to target the defacto pirates (the application developers). So it moved to even further distributed services: torrents. Without an application developer to pursue the new central authorities which could be attacked were the torrent hosting sites, so the community also developed magnet links to further remove themselves from the process of hosting.

    The inevitable outcome is just that the list of magnet links will also become distributed much like the DNS system.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      So long as you remain on clearnet, nothing you do or invent there will ever keep you safe or free.
      You must use the darknets now.
      Freedom, privacy, sharing, communication, encrypted, distributed, random, worldwide.
      It awaits you...

    • > In order to build a large, powerful organization you can't have a larger, more powerful organization trying stop you.

      /sarcastic What do you think governments are?

      /me ducks

      " Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex"
        -- Frank Zappa []

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      So it moved to even further distributed services: torrents.

      You're wrong, fully decentralized systems (with magnet link support) like ed2k/kad and gnutella alredy existed before bittorent's DHT was a thing, with multiple implementations.
      Bittorrent is a step backwards for decentralization and it only prevailed because it's faster.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      The inevitable outcome is just that the list of magnet links will also become distributed much like the DNS system.

      Doubtful. At some point somebody has to control the index so it doesn't get spammed by bots, you want search/nfo/preview/vote/report/comment features. What I really would like to see though - despite the potential for abuse - is something like an torrent that can be updated. Say you download episode 1x01 of a show, if you "subscribe" to updates the creator can replace it with a 1x01-1x02 torrent, then a 1x01-1x03 torrent and so on without the need to chase down each update. It would probably help seeding an

      • Every seeder can carry metadata. If you want upvotes etc then you could distribute it through the peers. You could also build a simple trust system where a magnet could be signed with a trusted key. If you like one uploader you could whitelist other content by that uploader. "Only download music uploaded and signed by key XYZ". We already do that for legal content, I would expect the illegal content providers would do the same. With public/private keys as long as a provider keeps their keys safe their uplo

        • by Threni ( 635302 )

          You're suggesting there's a need for a solution, the solution would benefit people and make money, and that the solution is technically simple, and yet does not exist. Perhaps you need to examine one of your axioms...or get coding!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:26PM (#53580891)

    Since the MAFIAA will never give up, and your protests via clearnet sharing operations both
    a) do not sway lawmakers minds
    b) fail and fall under MAFIAA pressure

    You really should move all your operations exclusively onto the anonymous overlay networks and never ever touch clearnet again.
    We're talking I2P, Phantom, Tor, GnuNet, OnionCat, Pond, etc... an entire ecosystem of virtually impenetrable encrypted anonymous comms and data sharing channels awaits you. Start searching these names and finding all the new tools that are out there for you to use.
    With at least two of these nets, you can plug your favorite torrent clients directly into them because those nets provide a p2p IPv6 tunnel interface.
    And many clients such as Vuze and Transmission (the best two out there) can also speak the native addressing schemes of these networks.

    The benefit is, by keeping all your sharing traffic entirely within these private netoworks,
    you can share and seed 24x7x365 with complete freedom and impunity. A huge fuck you to the MAFIAA.

    And they're fast enough too... you can easily share and fetch all a normal person could ever use... a lossless DVD-9 VOB rip, a couple lossless FLAC CD rips, a game, some books... PER DAY, more than you can consume.

    And the best part is, that you can volunteer to help these networks and your peers by running nodes on these networks and allocating some of your ISP bandwidth to these nets. Plus, you can run your nodes in private services and relay modes, never ever offering or risking outproxy mode if you don't want. AND, you can set up your own websites, gameservers, shell servers... anything you want... all without ever needing to ask your ISP for AUP policy permission, for FREE from your own home.

    These networks are basically THE PERFECT SHARING network solution, but you all have, for MANY YEARS, refused to see and try that.

    Get on the anonymous overlay darknets people.... it's your only hope of survival,
    at least until you organize your efforts therein and come out fighting to take back your rights from the powers that be.

    • Deep packet inspection will shut all that down. The ISP is the single point of failure we have yet to circumvent.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Deep packet inspection only works for some traffic.

        • The ISP can simply drop packets that don't match whitelisted protocols. 'Darknet' traffic is trivial to block.

          • by tepples ( 727027 ) <> on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:02PM (#53581453) Homepage Journal

            Then the ISP will be loaded with complaints when each new online multiplayer game comes out, as its datagrams and/or streams will not "match whitelisted protocols."

            • In the shared monopolies/duopolies who's going to listen to any complaints? Especially now that the government will soon be more inclined to protect the ISP's interests? Until people actually vote for people with consumer interest in mind who will write laws with teeth, the problem is only going to get much worse. Meanwhile their 'complaints' will go straight to /dev/null. Each new online multiplayer game writer will have to buy a license to get on the whitelist, and most of them will comply. They might gru

              • by tepples ( 727027 )

                Which home ISPs with a substantial user base have already implemented a protocol whitelisting policy like this?

                • The 'darknet' issue isn't big enough for them to care at this moment. When the order comes down it will be done. We should be ready for it. Bypassing the ISP is critical to that purpose

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Whitelisted protocols like HTTPS?

            • by tepples ( 727027 )

              Man in the middle has been used in the wild for seven years []. I've already run into public Wi-Fi hotspots that attempt to MITM the TLS connections of their users, even if only to redirect all users to the TOS page. It wouldn't be too much of a step for an ISP to require subscribers to install the ISP's root certificate so that the ISP can MITM everything.

    • by jez9999 ( 618189 )

      You really should move all your operations exclusively onto the anonymous overlay networks and never ever touch clearnet again.

      What would you say about [] cjdns []? It claims to fully encrypt everything and only communicate with trusted peers, and people using it say it is very fast, but it still seems to be quite small and obscure. Does anyone here think it looks like a viable future protocol?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        For the purpose of torrenting copyritten materials while remaining free from criminal and civil harassment, both for the functions of uploading and downloading, CJDNS seems reasonably sufficient. In general, it affords more protection than VPN can offer, yet less protection than using stronger overlay networks.
        Every network has weaknesses so you really need to *read and understand* CJDNS, and the other networks, before using them.
        But they are all far better than stupidly firing up Vuze on clearnet or over s

    • Legalization is the other way to survive. Create more pirate parties, then proceed to vote pirate.
      A lot of gay people and marijuana users were prosecuted before it becoming legal. Keeping it on the clearnet and sharing despite the law, in massive quantities and every type of media will enshrine the practice. People being prosecuted for doing something common and moral will eventually grow enough outrage that it will stop.
      The first step, besides sharing, is to stop the sharing = stealing narrative.

      • Niche-interest parties like the Pirate Party only work in countries where larger parties need to form parliamentary coalitions to govern, and perhaps don't have first-past-the-post voting. Torrent sites, however, are being shut down by the big muscle of the US, which has an inviolable two-party system and voting third-party isn't an effective way of changing things.
        • Would mod insightful. I'm from one of those countries, that's why the (somewhat wrong) reasoning about pirate parties. I guess that leaves the responsibility of creating and voting pirate to the other countries, to avoid the trade agreements that the US uses to push censorship and criminalization of sharing. For the US people tough, as bad as it is, I can only hope that things get worst to the point were marijuana got, so that it is legalized too.

      • I'd agree with you except speed limits are still set too low in most of the country (for limited access highways), despite everyone mentally adding 9 to all of them when they set their CC...

    • And they're fast enough too... you can easily share and fetch all a normal person could ever use... a lossless DVD-9 VOB rip...

      I mainly torrent lossless Bluray images, which can get up to 30GB a pop... and that's with the current standard of quality. 4K film releases are around the corner, and so file sizes will only increase. I'm not sure that hidden services are prepared for the next level of video.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Not only can I download music there for free, the creators upload their music! It's great!

    • If the creators offer it to you, it ain't piracy.

      Unless of course some giant TV network used his song without licensing it and YouTube's ass backwards automated content watchdog finds out that the same sound bite is used by some no-name artist and Big-Ass-Network, thinks that the BAN has to be the rights holder because it's BAN and the other one is no-name-artist, and suddenly the creator gets a YouTube strike for putting his own creation up on YouTube...

      • by Anonymous Coward

        The creators are offering it to you to stream with their ads. But there are only a billion different tools to extract the mp3 from the video.

        YouTube is, by far, the largest pirate site. You can get pretty much any music file ever on there to download. They also have a ton of TV shows/movies you can download off there as well.

      • If Big-Ass Network used no-name artist's work without an exclusive license, then BAN is obligated to scrub no-name artist's work from the reference material uploaded to the video host's fingerprinting service. Otherwise, BAN is violating the video host's TOS, and no-name artist has grounds to sue BAN for slander of title.

        On the other hand, if BAN's work came first and no-name artist was subconsciously "inspired" by a BAN work, then no-name artist can be held liable because copyright is strict liability. How

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:28PM (#53580903)

    I think it's time we get trackers for trackers to find out what is the latest replacement for a tracker that was just shot down by the content industry.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Just use Google/Duck Duck Go to search for what you want plus "magnet" or "torrent".

      The Pirate Bay seems pretty reliable for me. VPN to block ISP/music industry interference.

    • I like

  • This is great news! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by wardrich86 ( 4092007 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:31PM (#53580921)
    The tried to shut down Napster (media-only) and we got Gnutella (allowing us to share ANYTHING). Then they shut down all the major Gnutella apps and we got Torrents. I'm excited to see what the next thing is that we'll get - it gets better with every iteration.
    • by bmo ( 77928 )

      The next iteration is darknets, encrypted end-to-end file sharing, completely under whatever radar they can come up with. I've been farting around with ZeroNet lately and it seems pretty good. And if all of it shuts down, we'll just go back to the ol' "hard drive fulla goodies" passed around like we did back when half of the people who had Internet access had dialup. Good luck tracking that.

      Princess Leia Organa: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

      • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

        In Japan, there is "Perfect Dark". An darknet style filesharing software.
        It is commonly used for sharing anime, in a country that isn't very kind with pirates (it is ninja-land after all).

    • Especially the malware! Malware has come SO far since limewire. It's like we get free software with our stolen software!

    • by 0100010001010011 ( 652467 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @06:19PM (#53581537)

      They shutdown torrents and we get Usenet! I love progress.

      • by MercTech ( 46455 )

        "They shutdown torrents and we get Usenet! I love progress." ... gotta be humor
            As usenet pre-dates even arpanet and tcp/ip; yeah gotta be progress. Yep, usenet is still out there.

  • We have to circumvent the ISP to fix the problem.

  • by Wowsers ( 1151731 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @04:42PM (#53581015) Journal

    Or the title should read "Good year for the copyright cartel after buying off more politicians and judges with brown envelopes".

  • by Ikonoclasm ( 1139897 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @05:00PM (#53581137)

    As of two weeks ago, KAT is back on the scene. []

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I'm curious, will the magnet links ever shift to a platform such as kazaa or gnutella? Where instead of uploading files, just the magnet links get distributed?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      No, the only bittorrent client with distributed search engine is Tribler, unless other clients start implementing it there isn't much chance of that happening.

  • Yes (Score:5, Funny)

    by Patent Lover ( 779809 ) on Friday December 30, 2016 @09:45PM (#53582665)
    Thank God that Piratebay thing is gone.

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