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Fidel Castro Is Dead (nytimes.com) 279

Striek quotes the New York Times: Fidel Castro, the fiery apostle of revolution who brought the Cold War to the Western Hemisphere in 1959 and then defied the United States for nearly half a century as Cuba's maximum leader, bedeviling 11 American presidents and briefly pushing the world to the brink of nuclear war, died Friday. He was 90. His death was announced by Cuban state television.

In declining health for several years, Mr. Castro had orchestrated what he hoped would be the continuation of his Communist revolution, stepping aside in 2006 when he was felled by a serious illness. He provisionally ceded much of his power to his younger brother Raul, now 85, and two years later formally resigned as president. Raul Castro, who had fought alongside Fidel Castro from the earliest days of the insurrection and remained minister of defense and his brother's closest confidant, has ruled Cuba since then, although he has told the Cuban people he intends to resign in 2018.

Kebertson shares an AP article which remembers a book proclaiming "Castro's Last Hour" -- in 1982. And Miamicanes jokes there'll be celebrations among Castro-haters in Miami, sharing a CNN article which notes that in the end, Castro "lived long enough to see a historic thaw in relations between Cuba and the United States."
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  • by tomhath ( 637240 )
    Fidel has been out of it for years. His death is no surprise and changes nothing.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday November 26, 2016 @01:39PM (#53366177)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Noam chomsky's take on us vs cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      He's having quite extreme viewpoints in some cases, but nevertheless he is very smart and often it is interesting to see things in a different light.

    • You're a loon. There isn't a nation on earth that has unfettered capitalism; there are only varying degrees of abuse and theft by government. Until 8 years ago, the US had a history of opposing those nasty dictatorships that did the most damage to US interests.
    • it's actually more to do with Obama, the Democrats and how our presidential elections work.

      Cuban immigrants were a big part of winning Florida for the Republicans. They're why we've maintained the embargo. Anyone politician who tried was dead in the water on a national stage.

      That said time passed, those immigrants died and their kids didn't listen much to granddad's story and Obama formed a big anti-Bush jr coalition to put him in the Whitehouse.

      That left us open to normalizing relations. Busine
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      It was never going to last, in the 20th century the US got it all laid out on a silver platter... the "Old World" fucked itself royally with two huge wars, the Soviet Union and China was stuck in a communist plan economy, many countries were colonies or stuck in old structures like caste systems or authoritarian structures or broken education systems and so on. It was not only that America had many opportunities but that other countries had few. Today I think most people feel there are opportunities at home

    • As a South American (Argentinian) i cannot but disagree.

    • I remember being told the dollar was a dead letter ten years ago, when the euro was going strong. So much for that. Call me back in ten years.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      this isnt going to be a very popular opinion here, but the reason for the historic thaw is surprising. Typically the united states is content to hold trade embargos indefinitely against any nation that so much as thinks of challenging unfettered capitalism.

      Actually I'd say the US will hold indefinite embargo against any nation who has defied or disobeyed them. The US supported Batista over the communists in Cuba, the US supported the Shah over the Islamist's in Iran. There are a lot of bad things you can say about the Theocratic despotism that is the Iranian government... but they're far from socialist.

      Conversely the US maintains a lot of trade with nations that are significantly more socialist than Iran... Like Sweden or Norway.

      Whilst I've got no particular

  • I'll believe it when Netcraft confirms it.
  • Resistance (Score:5, Insightful)

    by snookiex ( 1814614 ) on Saturday November 26, 2016 @01:46PM (#53366229) Homepage

    You can say anything about Fidel, but he was a tough guy. Cuba resisted bravely (if you allow me to use the term) to an enemy way bigger and more powerful for many years. Curiously, the end of the Castro era could have arrived long before if the past presidents would have used the Obama approach: Embrace, extend and extinguish. Personally, I think he chose a wrong path and became the perfect example of why communist social structures are not sustainable. "Join together to share the lack of wealth", to use Stallman's words, simply goes against human nature. RIP, anyway.

    • You can say anything about Fidel, but he was a tough guy. Cuba resisted bravely ...

      Fidel was the little bully sidekick talking sh*t, sucking up to, the real tough bully, the Soviets. He was a useful idiot, nothing more. Once the Cuban people are allowed a voice he will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

      • Soviets died in 1989 (if not before). Many other third world satellites were really dependent on the URSS and were assimilated by someone else shortly after the fall of the wall. Cuba managed to survive even being a few kilometers away from the US. Fidel has a place in History (not precisely in the dustbin) you like it or not.
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by amiga3D ( 567632 )

          He was a brutal dictator who murdered tens of thousands of his own people. The fact that Batista was a monster too hardly absolves him from the guilt of his murder and torture of his own people. To see people try to excuse this monster is incredible. Seldom do I truly rejoice in the death of another human being but it's hard not to feel good about Castro's demise.

          • I read like 5 times what I wrote and I fail to see where am I defending his actions. I just saying that he's got a place in history, just like Hitler, Gandhi or the Homo Neanderthalensis. History is not a garden of unicorns, you know.
            • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

              Oh he has a place I guess, like Franco. A bit player. You know I was surprised by a young coworker of mine about 7 months or so ago something came up about Castro and I mentioned it to him. He literally had no idea who Castro was. He could tell you every Heisman candidate any year but Castro he'd never heard of. I went around and did kind of a quick Leno style quiz and found that of the under 30 crowd at work maybe half had heard of Castro and most of them only had a vague idea who he was. I was prett

    • "Poverty is not socialism. To become wealthy is honourable." --Deng Xiaoping

  • ... until I see it on Fox News (sic).

  • ... comes to us from the Greeks (ca. bay of pigs) and is a concatenated corruption of the form, "infidel castration," and generally refers to a paynim in the ass with no balls.

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Saturday November 26, 2016 @02:10PM (#53366351)
    The most capitalist day of the year.
    • I recently visited Chengdu, China. In the center of the town square is a monster statue of Mao.

      Literally underneath him, in the last few years they have built an underground shopping center.

  • "In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

  • by Alomex ( 148003 ) on Saturday November 26, 2016 @03:53PM (#53366867) Homepage

    When Castro first came to power, he was inspired by the Mexican revolution of 1910-1920 who did not turn communist. Moreover the Cuban Communist Party had denounced Castro's revolution as pro-Western. He was pushed into the USSR sphere of influence by the aggressive CIA-led actions.

    Then the embargo provided the biggest excuse ever for Castro and his dictatorship. He could always blame his failed economic policies on the USA led embargo.

    • by mvdwege ( 243851 )

      There really is enough evidence to cast at least doubt on that theory. The more accepted wisdom is that he did harbour strong Marxist sympathies and that the US opposition to his revolution was a good excuse to implement Marxist policies.

      • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday November 26, 2016 @06:35PM (#53367587) Homepage Journal

        Well, we're in the realm of alternate histories here. But just from a power politics standpoint Castro would have been forced to side with the Soviets no matter what his true principles were, or indeed if he had no sincere principles whatsoever. The Soviets were friendly and the Americans were hostile. American business interests preferred his genuinely odious predecessor Fulgencio Batista, who could be bought by anyone with sufficient money, even the Mafia.

        • by mvdwege ( 243851 )

          I have some sympathy for Fidel because at least he wasn't Batista. But the narrative that makes him a mere plaything of forces beyond his control, as in 'he only turned communist because he got forced' does not square with my impression of a forceful man who was willing to do without support if need be for his cause.

          Whatever you say of Fidel, character he didn't lack.

          • by hey! ( 33014 )

            Of course, but that's not the narrative I'm pushing.

            I look at things from a game theoretical position here; we played a strategy which, short of armed invasion and occupation, was certain defeat -- at least if fighting a communist toe-hold in the Caribbean was our goal. It may be the way things worked out suited Fidel perfectly, but if so we made it easy for him.

  • Proving that ${deity} truly has a sense of humor, Fidel Castro -- icon and architect of Cuban Communism -- died on Black Friday... a/k/a "Adam Smith Day" -- the day Americans gather in our grand cathedrals of commerce and celebrate capitalism by shopping like there's no tomorrow.

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