James Clapper, US Director of National Intelligence, Has Resigned (thehill.com) 170
Reader cold fjord writes: James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, resigned last night. Clapper spent 30 years in military intelligence at the National Imagery and Mapping Agency. He was selected to be the Director of National Intelligence in 2010 with responsibility for 17 US intelligence agencies. Clapper was DNI during the monumental Snowden leaks of documents from NSA and various allied intelligence agencies as well as the release by WikiLeaks of the documents provided by (at the time) Private Bradley Manning. Besides the Snowden and Manning leaks, Clapper was engulfed in controversy over testimony to Congress in which he is alleged to have lied about NSA data collection in responding to a question from Senator Wyden. Clapper had previously stated he would leave at the end of the Obama administration. Clapper's resignation clears the way for incoming president-elect Trump to appoint his own Director of National Intelligence.
Yet another win for the people with Trump victory (Score:3, Funny)
Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...
Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.
Re:Yet another win for the people with Trump victo (Score:5, Interesting)
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That doesn't make any sense. The administration is not a ship, nor is it interesting when he leaves (now or in 60 days). Slow news day.
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Competent people are super hard to find. Notice how there aren't any in the current administration? That's not for lack of searching.
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/s
Here, I think you dropped this...
More interesting this way (Score:2)
I prefer posts that act as a Rorschach test rather than explicitly stating direction... :-)
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+5 Funny!
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Wow, I want to have whatever you are smoking, that must be some powerful stuff.
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Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...
Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.
This has got to be one of the most naive and incredibly stupid things I've ever read on Slashdot.
Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict (Score:2)
NSA is an effective tool for the American economy and policy making. I don't see any reason why a businessman like Trump would reign it.
I suppose it'll be rather left to its own devices, also because of its apparent complexity to the administration. If something the intelligence efforts will be strengthened, as the administration composition so far suggests.
Trump's tactic of pre-emptively revealing pretty much everything has left the security apparatus somewhat toothless, too.
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As commander in chief, he won't have to 'put up' with it at all, he'll enjoy all the benefits of it.
Do you really imagine that his appointees will refuse a request for deep intel on the next person that irks him on Twitter?
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I think we've seen it's premature to predict how Trump might react to nearly anything. Until long after his reaction is complete, there's no telling what he did.
And I wish I were being sarcastic.
Reining in "Reigning" (Score:5, Informative)
Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.
Hi, friendly Grammar Nazi here! No offense intended to anyone, so to my liberal friends I am a "grammarian." To my Breitbart-reading friends, I am a "grammar-conscious Nationalist Socialist German Workers' Party member."
The recent election has brought up the use of the phrase "reigning in" or "reining in" on Slashdot like seemingly never before. I figured I'd provide a bit of helpful guidance to reduce ambiguity.
To "reign" is to rule in the sense of "regnal/royal" or kingly/queenly control over a kingdom, state or prom court. It is generally used with the preposition "over," as in "to reign over the prom and orchestrate choruses of "NEEEERRRRDDDDSSSSSS!" at the people who couldn't get dates tonight but will later shame us all at the 20 year reunion."
To "rein" is to control an animal (e.g. a horse) tethered to a rider. When used in the phrase describing someone wanting to pull something back from its current pace, "rein in" (e.g. government growth, spending, post-prom unwanted pregnancies) this form is normally used.
Happy reining and/or reigning, depending on your intended expression and/or high school prom experience.
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Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.
Yes, Trump will surely reign over more NSA data collection.
What is it with you buffoons not knowing what reins are? Spent all your time in a basement, never seen a horse? Or are you just trolling? Find out who will believe you're an idiot? Hint: with your posting history, it is everyone
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Trump as a private business owner is going to put up with a lot less nonsense like NSA data collection than any power-hungry politician would reaching the Whitehouse... this is just one of many examples to come showing true change, not just changing the mask over the current leader between red and blue as we have done in recent elections over the last sixteen years or so...
Not saying the NSA collecting is going to halt, but it is going to be reigned in.
Could you explain reined in? Is it Trump not going to just monitor adversaries and look for dirty linen?
Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict (Score:5, Funny)
Um, that's exactly *why* he's posting as AC.
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What does posting as AC have to do with what he said? You can't refute the statement so you attack the person making it?
Oh and I'm sure that "SuperKendall" is your true and legal name, right?
Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic (Score:5, Interesting)
How do you refute a prediction about a future event without any evidence to confirm or deny?
And remember, Trump is pretty much unpredictable at this point.
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How do you refute a prediction about a future event without any evidence to confirm or deny?
Protip: One sure-fire way that I have found to effectively refute a prediction is to wait and observe it not coming to pass.
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It took the Snowden leaks to reveal the scope of the NSA activities. This seems like the sort of prediction that can never be refuted without a completely open government.
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And remember, Trump is pretty much unpredictable at this point...also
There, fixed that for you.
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If the thing that impresses you about predictions is the name of the person who made them, I predict you make a lot of bad decisions.
Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vict (Score:4, Interesting)
If Trump wants to take a pro-citizen stance on the NSA, he should pardon Snowden on his first day in office. It would make me a believer.
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"pardon Snowden on his first day in office" You can't really pardon someone who has not been convicted of crime. Had Snowden only released the domestic information he would be walking around free today. But releasing the information on foreign intelligence operations cannot be swept aside. He freely admitted that his entire purpose in getting the NSA job was to steal classified information. He was evidently too stupid to take refuge in another country before he released the information. Nobody was after hi
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Presidents can pardon people from future prosecution. Why do you think there is such a discussion in the Media about Obama pardoning Hill.
Essentially, Trump did this to himself. He got his crime for Trump University converted to a 1/3rd payout and a fine.
Students lost with Trump, only got 1/3rd of their investment returned. Trump made a profit from a defunct university. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
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You can't really pardon someone who has not been convicted of crime.
There is no such limitation on pardons granted by the president.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
https: [wikisource.org]
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Oh crap. I just spent my last mod point. +5 insightful. Inciteful?
Well said sir.
Re: Yet another win for the people with Trump vic (Score:1)
This is the only sensible thing I've seen here all week. Which means it will never happen.
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Yeah, small enough to fit into your bedroom, while remaining too big to be allowed into the boardroom.
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I think Trump was being honest about that. I figure he's going to run the economy so badly into the ground that American workers will illegally immigrate to Mexico looking for jobs, and eventually Mexico will get so fed up that they'll build a wall and pay for it....
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We pay Mexico several hundred million per year to patrol their side of the border.
Nope. You must have gotten that statistic from fake news. The 200 million figure seems to match the figure for all security/military (non-economic) aid, only a small portion of which is earmarked for their northern border, and which was probably a lot less this year. [huffingtonpost.com].
Total foreign aid, some of which boosts our own economy in indirect ways, is in the $400-$500 million range.
Even if we take Trump's own underestimation of $8 billion and canceled all foreign aid to Mexico, which would cost us dearly in the ec
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If I was Mexican maybe I would give a shit. I actually don't care that much about how Trump's proposed wall effects them, it's how it affects us. It's about our attitude towards immigration, how much it will cost, enforcement and legal issues (e.g. splitting up families where the children are US citizens and thus entitled to stay), and the actual practicality and feasibility of such an endeavor. Comprende?
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As for #2, immigration, whether for work or not, has been the domain of the federal government since the 1700s. It is one of the very very few things that the federal government does that is actually under its purview.
This is cheesy and superficial, but his make-America-great slogan sounded a lot like an echo of LBJ's Great Society
He's been specific that removing regulations will help businesses which will Make America Great again somehow. He didn't specify how, but apparently it will be a beautiful thing. He hasn't addressed how wealth only trickles up, how Trickle-Down Theory was a scam, and how money flows into the s
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Love watching the rats scurry as Trump the exterminator is brought in to drain the swamp.
For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....
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For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....
Trump transition team announces 5-year lobbying ban for appointees [washingtontimes.com]
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For someone claiming to drain the swamp he sure is bringing on board a lot of established Washington players....
Trump transition team announces 5-year lobbying ban for appointees [washingtontimes.com]
The ban is for appointees becoming lobbyists not the other way around (first sentence of article you included). At present the Obama administration has a 2-year wait for lobbyists to join the administration - don't know what Trump will do.
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Why would anyone put someone they believe to be a felon in a position as an advisor and administrator? Trump said that Clinton would be investigated and potentially put in prison for her crimes. That does not sound like an endorsement for a position in his administration.
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Pardonne-moi si je t'aime [freep.com]
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I ain't giving you a job! You're a not a goddam crook!
--
Al Capone
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Why would anyone put someone they believe to be a felon in a position as an advisor and administrator?
I'm not sure, but it would be consistent. There are a lot of weird questions you could ask about Trump's transition team and possible cabinet appointments.
Trump railed against the economic elites, so why would he appoint David Malpass as his lead for Economic Issues? He was Chief Economist at Bear Stearns in the six years leading to its collapse. One of the men guiding the financial system into the worst disaster since the 1930s.
Why appoint a climate change denier to the EPA? It makes as much sense as appoi
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Unremarkable event (Score:5, Informative)
Presidential appointees routinely submit their resignations when another party's candidate is moving into the Oval Office.
Nothing to see here, move along.
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Bradley! Chelsea! Duck Season! Rabbit Season! (Score:1, Funny)
Please post the discussion about whether somebody's legal name or their Jesus name is more valid here.
I've got my Rathalos [kiranico.com] armor on, so flame away!
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What the crap is a 'Jesus name'?
Clapper, the guy who lied to congress? (Score:4, Funny)
Lock him up!
FFS This story is such a non-event (Score:5, Informative)
Yes he resigned. But as explained in Top US intelligence official: I submitted my resignation [cnn.com] (and probably elsewhere)
All members of an outgoing administration must submit a resignation at some point.
But every news outlet and internet troll seems to be falling over themselves to shout to the world that he resigned, as if this event actually means something.
Sure you could probably make a case for all sorts of things happening to him after he is out. But for fucks sake, his resignation is expected and required.
Sarah Palin (Score:2, Funny)
for Director of National Intelligence.
Re:Sarah Palin (Score:5, Funny)
[Sarah Palin] for Director of National Intelligence.
Irony meter just exploded.
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[Sarah Palin] for Director of National Intelligence.
Irony meter just exploded.
How is this ironic? After all, she can see Russia from her house. Just think how much money they can save with her in charge.
NO: Lorne Greene for DNI! (Score:2)
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You'll have to dig them up.
Lorne Greene: February 12, 1915 – September 11, 1987
Dan Blocker: December 10, 1928 – May 13, 1972
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I thought the "George Bush Center for Intelligence" could not be beat for irony, until realising it was named after "H.W." - the one smart enough *not* to invade Baghdad.
Snowden for DNI (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Snowden for DNI (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Snowden for DNI (Score:5, Informative)
No, you remember correctly. Trump implied he would execute Snowden. Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/
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Hasn't Trump said ...
Anything Trump said, he is just as likely to have also said the opposite, or at least something conflicting.
I admire a politician who is not afraid to modify their opinions over the years, but I don't think Trumps comments reflect his actual opinions on fact, just on polls.
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I say put Edward Snowden in the position.
I understand that Edward Snowden is widely considered a HERO! on Slashdot, but I'm wondering if you could explain why you think he would be suitable for the job as Director of National Intelligence?
What in his background makes you think he is the right person to lead tens of thousands of intelligence professionals in 17 different intelligence agencies with a total budget nearing $100,000,000,000 and wide ranging functions in working to prevent another Pearl Harbor, or 9/11 against the United States and its
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Really? That isn't what Bruce Schneier thinks.
Bruce Schneier: China and Russia Almost Definitely Have the Snowden Docs [wired.com]
Do countries like China and Russia have copies of the Snowden documents? I believe the answer is certainly yes . . .
Bruce then tries to create wiggle room for Snowden - it's not his fault! But it is. Even if we assume that Snowden isn't dirty, a defector, those documents wouldn't have been anywhere nearly as vulnerable had he not taken them and distributed multiple copies to journalists and others.
The Snowden Operation: Assessing the Damage [20committee.com]
If you can't accept that possibility I don't think you are b
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It seems you don't really understand everything that is going on.
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Obligatory (Score:3)
James Clapper, US Director of National Intelligence, Has Resigned
And nothing of value was lost.
Clap on, clap off (Score:2)
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He will if he goes to work at Motel 6.
Tarnished legacy (Score:5, Insightful)
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Keeping this guy around and failing to reign in data collection excesses is a stain on Obama's legacy.
I've been noticing more and more incorrect use of "reign in" from people who mean "rein in", mostly from people like you who have foe'd me but that's besides the point except for your ignorance being amusing. I wonder where it's coming from, besides people who don't speak English.
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The Democrats are oddly the American party that thinks state intervention in things like healthcare and social benefits are good, so one should logically expect Democrats to not mind a bit more state surveillance either.
But then I've always thought it funny that it's precisely the Republicans who tend to cry "no government is good government" while simultaneously voting for significant government interference:
- The State should stop abortion, which is a private matter
- The State should stop gay marriages, a
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Please correct me if i'm wrong on this but IIRC not one of the candidates was against the surveillance state.
Trump has said he wants to put abortion back in control of the states. (several states have made great progress killing off nearly all the clinics with just building code requirements what does he think they will do if given the option to ban it again altogether?)
Trump appears to be neutral on the subject of gay marriage.
Yep. (both sides agree) we don't have enough tanks on city streets have you hear
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Yep. (both sides agree) we don't have enough tanks on city streets have you heard about the drones being used here in the states yet?
We need out tank police! How else can we get a live action version of the anime?
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Draining the Swamp (Score:2)
Hope he set off the delete sequence (Score:1)
and flushed the tables and the rotating backups
He's self-deporting from the swamp. (Score:1)
He's self-deporting from the swamp.
perjury (Score:2)
Why isn't he being prosecuted for perjury - lying to Congress - that's what I want to know
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Because the President and the DOJ director have stacked the deck in his favor.
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Wonder no more:
Blame Wyden, not Clapper, for ‘lie’ to Congress on NSA surveillance [aei.org]
The Clapper “Lie,” and the Senate Intelligence Committee [fas.org]
So Much Perjury (Score:1)
Yeah, he didn't "allegedly lie", he lied.
A lie requires intent to deceive, and proving intent is difficult it's true. However this isn't criminal law here. We don't actually have to "prove" anything.
Clapper made a false statement under oath to Congress. The statement was about something he is actually in charge of, and it's not some obscure issue that might get lost in a large organization. This was perhaps the burning question about the mandate and activities of his agency, at the time he was giving te
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Why isn't he being prosecuted for perjury - lying to Congress - that's what I want to know
My guess and original suspicion is that it was because Congress told him to lie to them before hand. I doubt Congress, or at least some in Congress knew what the real answer was, but wanted a nice public refutation to present. Snowden probably not just blew the cover off Clapper, but also Congress.
I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up (Score:2)
Least Untruthful Answer (Score:2)
Clapper: No sir.
Wyden: It does not?
Clapper: Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect—but not wittingly.
-- Senate Intelligence Committee, March 12, 2013
Thank you, Senator Wyden.
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
What a huge lie that turned out to be. Clapper's resignation may be expected at this point, but still, it is a reminder of how unaccountable thos
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The NSA is completely accountable, just not to the American public.
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You should be condemning Wyden for this reckless stunt, not thanking him.
Blame Wyden, not Clapper, for ‘lie’ to Congress on NSA surveillance [aei.org]
The Clapper “Lie,” and the Senate Intelligence Committee [fas.org]
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You should be condemning Wyden for this reckless stunt, not thanking him.
Does "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" sound familiar to you at all? We're supposed to be citizens with rights protected under law, not subjects.
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Once again, you should be condemning Wyden for his reckless stunt.
Of course you have rights as an American citizen, but they are what the law says they are, and not necessarily what misinformed opinion holds them to be. Much of the opinion on Slashdot is long on wind and short on knowledge.
I'm familiar with the 4th Amendment. Are you aware that it is not an all-purpose, all-encompassing, unlimited shield against any scrutiny under any and all circumstances?
Article II of the Constitution. Does it sound fa
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Justice Marshal, in his dissent of Smith v. Maryland summed it up the best:
"The use of pen registers, I believe, constitutes such an extensive intrusion. To hold otherwise ignores the vital role telephonic communication plays in our personal and professional relationships, [...] as well as the First and Fou
Clap on! Clap off! (Score:2)
Clap on, clap off... for Clapper!
(Gold clap)
i nominate (Score:2)
Rudy Giuliani.
I cant think of a more fitting cast member than that. The guy just oozes slime and is well antiquated with "law" and "order". Physically, he is exactly who i picture is listening to my phone calls and recording my packets.
Sleaze incarnate.
"alleged"???? (Score:2)
The whole Snowden thing happened because of that lie. Unless you are claiming that the Snowden leaks are the lies, he DID lie to congress. Just because he was not prosecuted for that doesn't mean it didn't happen. WTF???
BTW, in other news, contradicting the other post on the front page, he also claimed that: [myepb.net]
"After the issuance of the statement and the communication that I know took place between our government and Russian government, it seemed to have curtailed the cyberactivity that the Russians were previously engaged in," Clapper said.
He said he was specifically referring to the "cyber-reconnaissance" that had been observed prior to the statement. "That sort of activity seemed to have curtailed," he said.
He said intelligence agencies don't have good insight on when or how Wikileaks obtained the hacked emails.
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You don't seem to be familiar with some important background information on this issue:
The Clapper “Lie,” and the Senate Intelligence Committee [fas.org]
Blame Wyden, not Clapper, for ‘lie’ to Congress on NSA surveillance [aei.org]
Why is this news? (Score:2)
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