US Intel Officially Blames the Russian Government For Hacking DNC (theverge.com) 287
It's official, the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security has blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee in July. Wikileaks released over 19,000 emails and more than 8,000 attachments from the DNC in what was "part one of [their] new Hillary Leaks series." The Verge reports: "The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts," the statement reads. "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." The release also mentions recent reports of attempted intrusions into voting systems in 20 different states, but says there is not yet enough evidence to attribute those attacks to the Russian government. Despite the acknowledged threat, the DNI says digital attacks are unlikely to directly alter election results. "It would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion," the statement reads. "This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place." "Nevertheless," it continues, "DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant."
Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:2)
When I'm president, the Russians won't hack us any more. They won't have to.
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But weren't we going to build a wall and have them pay for it?
No, wait, that was for the other evil invaders...
Russian digital immigrants! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait...so Obama and the Dems havetheir panties in a bunch because Russia (supposedly) just did pretty much what Yahoo just did at the behest of the Obama and the Dems.
WTF?
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Are you really that stupid? Do you understand the qualitative difference between the American government operating on American soil and the Russian government operating on American soil? You believe there is a moral equivalence?
Let's put it this way: If a cop kills a guy in the US, there might well be a discussion about excessive force, ove
Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah there is a difference, our own government spying on us is far more offensive than a foreign government. I have no problem with our government spying on Russia, in fact I expect it.
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So we find that the Republicans have effectively collaborated with Putin's efforts to poison the democratic process in the US, happy to trade away US global influence in return for Putin's help to elect Trump. The same Republicans who instigated the practice of spying on Americans (under false pretenses) , who encouraged it, and who have every intention to keep on doing it more and more if they ever get back into power.
You aren't outraged?
Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:4, Interesting)
You aren't outraged?
Because the Republicans haven't collaborated with Putin's efforts to poison the democratic process in the US?
The left is bizarre to me. They're incensed about the leaks, about something naughty Trump said, but read Hillary's emails that she funded the moderate beheaders in Syria so Israel would be happy with a nuclear Iran and now we've got 400k dead, ISIS, and the migrant crisis threatening to destabalize Europe and they're totally cool with that. I do not get it. I mean, I get why the media and the political classes do it: money. But I have no idea what your average left-leaning voter gets out of this.
Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:4, Interesting)
Also witness the conflating of DNC's behavior with democracy itself. These leaks exposed anti-democratic machinations from the upper echelons of a major political party, and politicians along with everyone who has a microphone or a press credential are trying to convince us that this constitutes "interference" in our democratic process.
INTERFERENCE
Think about that for a moment. We are actually being told that those who expose anti-democratic behavior are a threat to our democracy, rather than those who carry out that anti-democratic behavior. It boggles the mind.
What's truly offensive is the press is unwilling to show even a speck of skepticism, and in fact is very enthusiastically repeating this to all of us as if we're dumb.
Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait a minute. The story was EXACTLY THAT when people were complaining about spying. Government stooges on this site would respond with "well, it's okay to spy on other nations. They do it all time. It's their job."
But when it's USA being spied on (hypothetically, these russia claims are complete bullshit).. whoa ho ho, now it's "act of war", "rally the troops" time.
Fucking hypocrites.
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Wait a minute. The story was EXACTLY THAT when people were complaining about spying. Government stooges on this site would respond with "well, it's okay to spy on other nations. They do it all time. It's their job."
But when it's USA being spied on (hypothetically, these russia claims are complete bullshit).. whoa ho ho, now it's "act of war", "rally the troops" time.
Fucking hypocrites.
You missed part of the Pope's argument. It is a serious violation, because the Russians (or others) made the Democrats look bad.
If someone did this same thing against the Republicans, or against a Republican administration, poperatzo would support it.
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Whaa? (Score:2)
Whatever happened to "Blame Canada"?
I feel slighted!
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Canada is much less of a threat now that they've elected a dumb himbo Prime Minister who seems intent of leading them towards a giant mass cultural suicide. Besides, a lot of us kind of like their funny square-wheeled cars and the fact that they rid us of the Baldwin scourge.
This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad (Score:3)
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If only the US hadn't ever used stuxnet et al. no one would hack the US... Are you naturally that naive or do you have to do a lot of painful mental contortions to get there?
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Give him a little credit for maintaining tradition. In the 1930s (IIRC), a US Secretary of State disbanded the State Department code-breaking organization because gentlemen don't read each other's mail. The person in charge, Yardley, wrote "The American Black Chamber", probably to replace his income, probably also because he was angry about it. The book sold very well in Japan, since it had a lot about the US codebreaking activity in the Washington Naval Conference and how it helped the US push the Japa
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Even if you use a weapon for a cause that is just or good, each new introduction ups the ante
The ante will ALWAYS be upped. The question is whether you can get ahead.
a more likely scenario? (Score:5, Insightful)
What if it's just people inside the DNC who are sick of the corruption? What if there are people inside the DNC who wanted Bernie to win and were angry when the DNC conspired to steal the primary election from him?
What if the Russians aren't hacking the FBI, the NSA the DNC etc and it's all just people who are disgusted with the corruption? If the Russians were stealing secrets from these groups, you'd expect them to keep quiet rather than causing a ruckus that would result in increased scrutiny and heightened security.
Knowing Hillary's dirty secrets and holding them would be terrific for blackmail. Leaking them to the public weakens her as a candidate and removes the material from future usefulness. My guess is that it's good samaritans rather than foreign spies.
Re:a more likely scenario? (Score:4, Informative)
Seth Rich a DNC staffer was murdered soon after the leak. Seth is a more likely person responsible for the leak. The Obama regime is not likely to blame a Democrat for the leak.
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Seth Rich a DNC staffer was murdered soon after the leak. Seth is a more likely person responsible for the leak. The Obama regime is not likely to blame a Democrat for the leak.
Who needs evidence when you have wild speculation?
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You mean like when blaming the Russians? LOL!
Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Ok, say I care. What can I do?
See? So why care?
Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! (Score:4, Insightful)
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This exactly. We already know that Hillary has lied to congress (said she turned over all her emails while holding thousands of classified, work emails back; that's a felony), lied to the American people numerous times, and now, a disenfranchised DNC member (Seth Rich) leaked information to Wikileaks showing how Hillary stole the primary from Bernie Sanders and when Hillary found out about it she or someone else at the DNC had him murdered. So you can vote for a lying, murderous career politician lawyer (
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This exactly. We already know that Hillary has lied to congress (said she turned over all her emails while holding thousands of classified, work emails back; that's a felony)
a) I don't know where you get thousands of classified work emails, there were thousands of deleted work related emails, but there's no reason to believe they were classified.
b) It's only a lie if she deliberately held them back, I see no reason to assume so. In fact I'm not even certain she meant for them to be deleted [factcheck.org]. The contractor who carried out the deletion did so because the retention policy was changed to 60 days (and those emails were older than 60 days). But they were previously told to preserve t
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No such testimony in fact exists exists. What Corney said is Clinton was mistaken in her testimony, but he was by no means concluding she intentionally lied.
The reality about the emails is to a great degree they show how often confusing figuring out what is classified is at a government level like Hillary. There were also only a couple of emails with actual classification markings on them out of the huge number in question, with the way they were marked apparently leading to confusion on Hillary's part ab
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Um, duh? (Score:2)
Not being able to prove "why" she did it is not the same as proving "that" she did it. "Why" requires a bit of character investigation which was completely ignored. Literally a trail of such "luck" follows both Clinton criminals^Wpoliticians (yes, both of them), mainly because the media has covered for them since Clinton was Governor.
Hillary claimed she had no classified emails on her server. FBI director claimed she "did in fact" have classified emails on her server. Clinton claimed "none marked classi
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You wrongly assume that I consider Trump the lesser evil.
If you ask me, they're BOTH unfit to rule a clowder of cats, let alone a country.
Re: Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud (Score:2, Informative)
Just like no one cares we are loosing billions of billions of dollars to tax evasion. We have the proof, Panama papers anyone?.. Only thing that matters in the US anymore is corruption.
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Panama papers were 99% eurotaxevaders. American law requires an additional 'cutoff' (corporate shell), very few Americans were using that evasion method.
Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, we know how you feel (Score:5, Insightful)
...said pretty much every country in South America and the middle east that have had the U.S. government interfering in their elections for decades.
Putin's next tough guy photo-op... (Score:4, Funny)
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you forgot shirtless
trememdous disaster (Score:2)
This assessment is a trememdous disaster. I'm pretty sure it was somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.
Blame (Score:3, Insightful)
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If you think the RNC is significantly better just because you haven't seen their emails, you're naive.
Sanders had a chance. Under the circumstances, he had to do considerably better than Clinton to get the nomination, and that's pretty much as it should be. He's less electable than Clinton, would be less effective in office, and isn't actually a Democrat. I supported him primarily to try to push the party to the left. It was reasonable to want him to perform a lot better than Clinton in order to get
Another outsourced job: exposing wrongdoing? (Score:4, Insightful)
Wait, the US Government is accusing another government of attempting to influence an election by exposing wrongdoing?
That's bizarre.
I suppose if the press was doing its job instead of being Democratic spear-carriers we wouldn't need some other country to do the press' work for them.
All the evidence (Score:4, Interesting)
The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.
There's not a whole lot of evidence there. It would be interesting to know what sort of things Russia has done in Europe and Asia.
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ip range, easy to produce by other actors or a staging server.
Time zone, stay up late or early.
Very easy to find code litter of method understood by private security contractors left all after server after event.
No detection on entry, no detection during gathering of data, no detection on data movement.
After event, easy to find logs, trail and well understood method by private sector experts.
Experts who then talk to waiting media about what was found...
If this was another
Nothing to see here (Score:5, Insightful)
That's rich. With all the whining and hand-wringing about not trusting electronic voting machines since the Bush administration, we already know many cannot be audited and leave no paper trail of ballots cast by voters.
Yeah, they can't because we simply won't know if they did.
I'm sure... (Score:2)
...investigations will continue to the exact degree Trump either makes it close or leads the race...
Loyal Democrats (Score:2)
Loyal Democrats are urged to not read them and deny their authenticity to Republicans.
Whiners as well as incompetents (Score:5, Interesting)
Just makes the Democrats look like whiners on top of being idiots. They should never have put what leaked in writing let alone email. Now they are complaining Russia took advantage of their incompetence.
Having a corrupt administration is bad
Having an incompetent corrupt administration is worse
Having an incompetent corrupt administration that that blames everyone else is Venezuela
Security countermeasures? (Score:2)
If there are any voting machines running on PCs, it is essential that they disconnect public-facing USB ports from the motherboard. Because if your goal is to shut down or slow down a polling place, then you don't need a sophisticated hacking device, just a power spike that disables one of your machines.
If we had time, we could design a USB port with an alarm in it so that we could catch tamperers in the act.
LOL Hysterical.... (Score:2)
They've dumped more money and evidence into shifting attention to the Russians over this than the crimes and deceit unearthed by the hacks. And there's still no definitive proof the hack was state-sponsored. In the end they are just butt-hurt and want to distract you from the real problem.
While I'm not comfortable with them hacking US organizations, I'm not comfortable with the fact we've been hacking Russian systems for ages and influencing politics in their puppet states either. In the end, I'm more in
Re:Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a tradition. For almost 25 years we were looking for a new enemy, but why bother when the old one works so well? Never change a running system.
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It's a tradition. For almost 25 years we were looking for a new enemy, but why bother when the old one works so well? Never change a running system.
Putin has been pretty vocal that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the worst political disaster the world experience in the 20th century, and he has been trying to rebuild Russia back into Superpower dominance.
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Re:Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
It's always Russia, because we still haven't definitively settled the dick-measuring contest left over from World War II. It's hard to measure while the two main contestants (and new challenger China) keep simultaneously participating in pissing contests and counting notches after fucking other countries.
The metaphor's getting a bit strained, but the bottom line is that it's a mess that hasn't been resolved in the last century. America was doing great in the 20's, horribly in the 30's, then somewhat stabilized after WWII. Meanwhile, Russia was doing decently in the 20s, badly oppressed in the 30s, then pretty unstable (but pretending otherwise) after WWII until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. After that, there have been several factions fighting for power, and one of the more aggressive factions has taken control, now looking to solidify Russia as the main superpower of the world.
Then, of course, there are all of Russia's allies that have caches of Soviet weapons, and the ongoing corruption that allows them to get more. Even if "hurt America" weren't Russia's intent, there's enough belligerence in Russia's government that most conflicts can be traced back to some Russian office.
On the American side, we've done little to discourage such saber-rattling. In a burst of benevolence, we've helped overthrow oppressive government regimes, only to be pulled back by our own isolationist factions, leaving a power vacuum that attracts more oppressive dictators. We also tend to be vindictive, highlighting the Russian connections when a bad guy gets a delivery of shiny new weapons.
It's all very complicated, and has several symptoms of an ongoing cold war. Russia makes a public affair about our insecure elections, we make a public affair about their corrupt government. We build new weapons that could threaten Russia, they steal designs and threaten us. It's a stupid dance, and this is just another turn.
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More like a "Russian Reset"
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with worse acting and more explosions.
Come to think of it, MacGuyver is back on TV. I'm sure that fits the description perfectly.
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Well, FOX has a problem here. On one hand, it's kinda a good thing, at least for them, that the hack happened, on the other hand, saying that the evil Russkies did something good... Classical double bind I'd say. Can't do one, can't do the other, can't get out of it and can't talk about it.
Re:Double standard (Score:5, Insightful)
Whether the Russians had anything to do with it is irrelevant until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed. That should be first and foremost in the discussion. Whether it was the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or Klingons doesn't really matter. That piece of information takes second priority to that fact that our elections are rigged.
Good God, why is this so hard to understand?
Re:Double standard (Score:5, Insightful)
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The Democratic Party's election was rigged. Our election is coming this November.
Not irrelevant (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether the Russians had anything to do with it is irrelevant until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed. That should be first and foremost in the discussion. Whether it was the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or Klingons doesn't really matter. That piece of information takes second priority to that fact that our elections are rigged.
The corruption in the DNC is a problem, and I hope that the registered Democrats will look at it seriously and bring reforms to their own party.
However, it doesn't make the origin of the hack irrelevant. We are now in the general elections and it should be a worrying fact to the American people, both Republicans and Democrats, that a foreign power is trying to influence our elections.
Good God, why is this so hard to understand?
We get it, and God has nothing to do with it.
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An outsider, recently former democrat, won the republican presidential nomination. (So Hillary would have a chance in the general.)
RNC establishment exists, but is confused and conflicted. Bible thumpers vs sensible republicans. e.g. There are republicans who think having a candidate from a gibberish speaking church is acceptable/electable. Until they go away, the republicans are doomed to failure, they should be.
Re:Double standard (Score:5, Insightful)
RNC establishment exists, but is confused and conflicted
There was a lot more visible establishment Republican opposition to Trump than DNC opposition to Bernie, and I'm pretty sure a hack of the RNC would have revealed a lot of dirt as well. But it didn't happen, so we can only speculate.
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A hack of the RNC would likely reveal that they tried to do to Trump what the DNC did to Bernie, they just failed. Or rather, Trump beat them because he fought back, unlike Bernie who rolled over. All that this would do is confirm what Trump has been saying, that the system is rigged.
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I don't know dude. The Democrats nominated a woman so venal that she makes Nixon look like a sweetheart. Sure you hate bible thumpers but I don't really care for corrupt life long politicians who are so full of contempt for the American people that they tell one fucked up half ass lie after another with that smarmy look on her face like "who are you peons to question me, you are all dirt under my feet." You have every right to vote for the cunt but I have every right to despise her. Yeah Trump is no fuc
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Trump doesn't go to church and speak gibberish. I'd vote for him if I was in a swing state. As it is, I'm voting for Johnson.
With standard R candidates you get 'corrupt life long bible thumping politicians'. Granting still better than Web's baby mama.
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I fully support your vote for Johnson. He seems like a nice guy if a little confused. It's obvious he hasn't spent his entire life learning how to cheat, lie and steal though. If I didn't despise Hilliary so much that I actually despair of having to listen to her bullshit for 4 years I'd take a chance and vote for Johnson too.
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I don't know dude. The Democrats nominated a woman so venal that she makes Nixon look like a sweetheart.
Mm yes she's horrible - so much so that even Donald Trump won't publicly admit that he wants to grope her. Or so I've heard.
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do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same?
Of course they are the same: it wasn't even private, they really didn't want Trump to win.
But defending one group's bad behavior because another group does the same is an idiot's argument.
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Re:Double standard (Score:5, Informative)
Gawd man, do you ever take a break? If this happened to the GOP, the Press would use it against Trump all day long, and three times during the debate. In fact, they are already trying to blame Trump for it.
Instead of trying to blame Trump, they should be looking right at DWS (who was in charge) and Hillary, and trying to tie it to Hillary's Homebrew basement dwelling server.
And quite frankly, it shouldn't matter the "who" did it. The fact that it did happen, and everything looks so awful for the DNC and Clinton Campaign because of it, it should be news all day long, but somehow it doesn't matter as much as some chick from 20 years ago that Trump said "mean things" about.
Re:Double standard (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice to see the Trumpies out in full support of a foreign country directly tampering in a US Election, regardless of the fact that if we just let this go the next time will be even worse. The very idea of a foreign country interfering in our elections is an affront to our very democracy and a direct and present threat. But partisan people like you think it's no big deal because it hit the other guy.
The next time it happens it might hit your side, think about that. And because of people like you our country won't have reacted this time so we will have directly encouraged the next attack.
Let me let you in on something, this is a direct attack on our country. I'd be as outraged if it had happened to the green party or libertarian party. We cannot stand by and allow foreign countries to start tampering in our elections. We should respond directly to this attack, even if that involves a kinetic attack against the source.
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The very idea of a foreign country interfering in our elections is an affront to our very democracy and a direct and present threat.
You call it "an affront to our very democracy", I call it karma. Just be thankful they did it via cyber attacks instead of insurgencies and drone strikes.
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Can't fix willful ignorance.
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Nope people all over the world are sick and tired or lying politicians and government officials making all sorts of claims, when it comes to seeking greater funding, or when they screw up and want to blame others or when they want to hide how much they are stealing or trying to cover over corruption. So what if Russian or Chinese or English or American or what ever agents hack other countries and publicly expose their corruption, not only so what but yeah, triple plus good, keep it up and never ever stop.
Re:Double standard (Score:5, Interesting)
The evidence is an IP address coming from a Rusky VPN provider. That's all.
It's not like the Clinton campaign doesn't have a partner in the executive branch. See also: All the other things she's given a pass on that others have gone to prison for.
Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o (Score:5, Insightful)
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Yes, there couldn't be any other reason for anyone to collect such articles...
Foiled again!
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They're all from the Washington Post too. Didn't we read about the WaPo in the email leaks? Why yes, yes we did -
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emai... [wikileaks.org]
I do post that one link a lot, but mostly because it's gotten no real attention, everyone is looking at Russian boogeymen and getting distracted from the up-front corruption.
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tl;dr: Putin is an asshole.
Seriously, you need a LOT of words for saying something so simple.
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This is pretty strong evidence that the Obama regime is blaming Russia for everything regardless of whether or not there are any facts to support their claim.
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If it is even true it is interesting to see that the Russians are doing more for transparency then the pop media, the DNC and the alphabet mafia.
Doing more for transparency (in areas where it serves their interests) Let's talk about transparency in their involvment in Ukraine... what? those soldiers are just on vacation? the people voted overwhelmingly to annex Crimea!? .. well hell.. it must be true because Russia is the champion of (conservatives) errr. transparency in government!
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Imagine if there was a coup in Mexico from a pro-Russia party and supported by Russia. Do you think the US would only send a few soldiers and annex a small part of the country? Compared to the US, Russia is a saint. Oh, and by the way, if you take the time to learn about the history of Crimea, you'll realize it was always Russian. People who live there consider themselves as Russian. That's why the referendum in Crimea was overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine and join Russia.
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Now I dont like Putin or the rest of his cleptocracy either, but always pointing to Russia as the bad guys when it is convenient, instead of when it has been proven (or at least shown beyond reasonable doubt) will and already does lead to a desensitivization effect.
The more often it is claimed "Russia did X" without reasonable evidence, the less believeable it will become, until the day when they really do something monstrous and no one will belive it. See the myth about Germanys extermination camps in WWI vs. their actual extermination camps in WWII which were at first disbelieved by many when the first reports appeared.
Already here in Europe we see the first effects of this: Most people are more inclined to believe whatever RT (aka. the Ministry of RussianTruths) tells them instead of facts. Particularly when it comes to anything refugee or Ukraine related.
I think there's three parts to the case:
1) There are multiple attacks against many targets, meaning multiple talented individuals working together, suggestive of a state actor.
2) A lot of the tools had been used in other hacks, hacks which had a clear strategic benefit to Russia. (It's not clear how easy it would have been for other groups to have obtained these tools)
3) The half-hearted denials from Russia are kinda Putin's MO. Officially Russia has nothing to do with them, but he wants to make sure people
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There's one big doubt for me, and that's Guccifer 2.0. Putin having his intelligence service claim to be a guy from Romania who is carrying the mantle of a guy best known for guessing password reset questions... it's not exactly something that inspires awe.
On the other hand I think that's exactly the sort of title that a middle manager government bureaucrat would consider to be a "cool cyber name" rather than one an actual elite lone hacker would choose.
Re:Just like the 1900's (Score:5, Insightful)
Are the same people that bugged Merkel's phone bitching about the DNC hack? It's not like the DNC is a government agency. It's a political party or as I like to call it, one of the two mafias that rig elections in this country.
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Spying is perfectly fine. Releasing the info you got from spying in an attempt to sway a foreign election is not.
Why not? Why is it wrong for the Russians to tell the truth to American voters?
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But your vote does matter. You vote for the electors. The electoral college was set up to protect the power of the states. If you get a large percentage of the vote in certain states but narrowly lose in many others it is possible to lose the election even with a clear majority of votes nationally. States count more than total votes.