Saudi Arabian Teen Arrested For Online Videos With American Blogger (theguardian.com) 213
Mazin Sidahmed and Nicky Woolf, reporting for The Guardian: A male Saudi Arabian teenager has been arrested in Riyadh over a series of online videos of conversations between him and a female Californian streaming-video star that went viral. A Riyadh police spokesperson, Colonel Fawaz Al-Mayman, said the teenager, known online as Abu Sin, was arrested on Sunday for engaging in "unethical behaviour" in videos with Christina Crockett, a popular broadcaster on the conversational live-streaming site YouNow. Abu Sin's real name is not known. "His videos received many comments and many of the commenters of the general public demanded for him to be punished for his actions," Al-Maymann added, according to the Saudi Gazette. The two amassed thousands of fans on the YouNow network, and later on YouTube after videos of the two speaking were uploaded there. The videos featured Abu Sin -- a nickname given to him for his broken teeth -- and Crockett communicating despite their significant language barriers. The popularity of the videos of the two of them surprised Crockett, she told the Guardian in an interview. As a broadcaster on YouNow, she can invite her fans to join her broadcasts on split-screen, which is known as "guesting."
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So they had conversation. So what is the problem? It didn't come clear in this post at slashdot.
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Should have used the more politically correct phrase, "dune coon."
Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)
So they had conversation. So what is the problem?
Islam
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Racist! \s
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Racist! \s
No, the poster is probably right..... Islamic countries are very strict on how you interact with the opposite sex...
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Racist! \s
No, the poster is probably right..... Islamic countries are very strict on how you interact with the opposite sex...
Since when being right is any defense against being accused of racism?
Re: So? (Score:5, Insightful)
Islam isn't a race, so not it's not.
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Yes it is.
It's a race to the bottom.
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Re:So? (Score:5, Informative)
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Are all organized religions inherently the same, or is their sameness right now just an interesting historical coincidence?
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He is living in a religio-fascist country with though-police.
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You can't talk to women. You can rape them though, even if they are barely old enough to bleed. And if they complain, they'll get convicted for extra marital sex. It's a great system.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatif_rape_case
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Are you perhaps located in Saudi Arabia? The link works fine for me.
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oh my god! (Score:2, Insightful)
He talked with a woman! Unclean! Unclean!
SJW (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the sort of thing that SJW's should be fighting against......instead they decide to focus their efforts on restricting speech in some of the most liberal places on Earth.
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Because they are mutually exclusive? That's kind of a myopic view of the world you have there...
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"Because they are mutually exclusive?"
When you spend 90% of your time arguing against one and put much more effort and resources behind it, while the other you say is horrible and then move on ...
Yes, yes they are mutually exclusive. People can consume only so many messages during a day, a week, a month. When one message consumes vastly more of that time that is the one that we care about ... or so is impressed upon people. It's why a reduction in a particular crime can seem like an increase because the
Meddling [Re:SJW] (Score:3, Insightful)
It may be a matter of not sticking ones nose in another country's business: fix our own backyard first.
Meddling in the Middle East just seems to make things worse. If they wanna be medieval and keep resisting modernization, there should come a point where we give up trying to modernize them and instead focus on issues closer to home.
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No, it's because SJWs seem to have all the energy in the world to fight windmill giants like microagressions and the Patriarchy (insert x-files tune here), but yet there are nowhere to be seen when it comes to legitimate instances oppression. SJWs are not about doing the "right thing" (tm), they are about experiencing the moral gratification without doing any of the hard work required.
Oh and #notallsjws
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This is the sort of thing that SJW's should be fighting against......instead they decide to focus their efforts on restricting speech in some of the most liberal places on Earth.
You would think they would, but in that part of the world, you would get your teeth kicked out by the police and your ass thrown in a hole and turned loose whenever they feel like it.
Not like here in the States where they have 'rights'
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"SJWs" do fight against stuff like this, and they do it all the time. This story was on BoingBoing two days ago [boingboing.net], for instance. That site is about SJW-y as they get.
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...except these social justice types lose any sense of perspective and end up supporting absurd things, repressive regimes, and leaders that support or benefit from repressive regimes.
Liberals kind of jumped the shark. These days they excuse all sorts of nonsense that the classic civil rights movement would have nothing to do with.
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The contrast is stark, isn't it? "People with real problems putting their lives at risk" vs "I was microagressed, where is my safe space?"
That contrast is why so much derision is heaped upon "SJW"s, and Keyboard Warriors of all stripes.
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Meanwhile on Slashdot the only people actually acting like SJWs are the people who use the term SJW...
No. Calling out liberal totalitarians is not the same as seeking to actually DO the things (like squelching speech through the power of government) that liberal totalitarians actually do. Though you are performing the approved-by-liberal-elites correct response to being called out - immediately lie about it in hopes that will deflect reality.
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Meanwhile on Slashdot the only people actually acting like SJWs are the people who use the term SJW...
No. Calling out PROGRESSIVE totalitarians is not the same as seeking to actually DO the things (like squelching speech through the power of government) that PROGRESSIVE totalitarians actually do. Though you are performing the approved-by-liberal-elites correct response to being called out - immediately lie about it in hopes that will deflect reality.
FTFY - While I agree that the progressives have co-opted the liberal title, the reality is that the fascists that we have in government trying to take away your constitutional rights to free speech (oh noes its hate speech, ban it!), gun ownership (guns are bad, right?) or religion (your religion doesn't agree with my world view, therefore I must sue you and take away your livelihood) or association (no, you can't have a male only fraternity) are all PROGRESSIVES who use the label of liberal but generally w
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Sibling post makes a really important point. Let go of the word "liberal" and let it return to the wild. It's a good word than needs to go find itself and discover its original meaning. The fascists in question call themselves "progressives" - let's go with that.
The Saudi government is barbaric (Score:3)
Re:The Saudi government is barbaric (Score:5, Insightful)
Saudi Arabia will never have to change as long as they have oil. Everyone is too busy kissing their asses to keep that sweet crude coming.
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Saudi Arabia will never have to change as long as they have oil.
Well, that and what given a bunch of cash to the Clinton family will get you, of course.
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It does help not to be listed on the spinning wheel of countries that we are going to regime change when we re-spin it next time. In 2001 Iraq won followed by 2003 Afghanistan, 2005 winner Iran was delayed, 2007 winner was Paraguay and I believe next time it was Hillary as Sec of State picking contestants in 2009 when Syria won and 2011 when Egypt won, but she lied and said it was Libya. She was out for 2013 Ukraine and 2015 winner Brazil, but she is expected to oversee personally the 2017,19, 21 and 23 dra
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You genuinely believe that donations to the Clinton Foundation is what keeps them in power and unpunished? rofl
Why would I believe something that you made up in your own head to fight as a strawman? Oh, I get it. Because you're hoping that by distracting with that juvenile rhetorical technique, that people will forget that the Clintons DO in fact rake in millions of dollars for their own family and cronies (only a sliver of their foundation's revenue goes to anything other than internal paychecks and perks/expenses) in exchange for providing political access to those who pile on the cash. Of course you know this, a
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Re:The Saudi government is barbaric (Score:5, Interesting)
Saudi Arabia will never have to change as long as they have oil. Everyone is too busy kissing their asses to keep that sweet crude coming.
That dynamic has changed radically with U.S. LTO shattering oil prices and turning the United States into the new swing producer. The Saudis are already being forced to restructure their entire government, and while their cheap oil reserves still make them a major player, their influence in that regard has been severely curtailed. t. petroleum engineer
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If you're a petroleum engineer then you should realise the incredible power that the Saudis and their cheap oil have over the expensive and hard to process North American crap. Heck the entire industry and countries all over the world breathed a collective sigh of relief at the announcement from OPEC this week.
The dynamic has changed ... slightly. Not radically. You couldn't even remotely use the word "radically". Heck since we lifted sanctions on Iran we saw how little influence we really have and the past
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Saudi Arabia will never have to change as long as they have oil. Everyone is too busy kissing their asses to keep that sweet crude coming.
Actually, the price of oil continuously declining will lead to the same effect. Also, w/ new oil reserves in Canada and US, as well as Russia too struggling to get more cash, there is only gonna be more downward pressure on their prices
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Just this week a U.S. President tried to veto an overwhelmingly popular bill that let U.S. citizens sue Saudi Arabia for their role in 9-11. So it seems a bit premature to declare their influence in American politics dead. Though it is an encouraging sign that at least Congress has the balls to stand up to them at least a little now--though only when the public overwhelmingly demands them to.
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The problem with that bill is very simple- what's stopping other countries from passing the same stupid law in their country so their citizens can sue Americans?
Nada.
So, in crossing that Rubicon first, we just green-lighted everyone else to do the same.
Re:The Saudi government is barbaric (Score:4, Interesting)
next several years spark enough domestic.
International, yes, but domestic, hardly. I'm willing to bet that the highly conservative muslim population of Saudi Arabia is in favor of these sort of things.
If you look at the results of Arab Spring, the totalitarian regimes that were overthrown and replaced with "democratic" ones were done so with what I would not call forward-thinking progressive governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Oppression isn't something a person decides they're in favor of. Oppression is something a person is told they're in favor of. Then, they simply parrot it.
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Re:this is a cultural issue, not a technology issu (Score:5, Insightful)
Abu Sin knew what he was doing. Sometimes incarceration is a risk you take to try and make a cultural change or statement.
Abu Sin was a young boy talking to a woman. To say he fully understood the ramifications of his actions is absurd. He almost certainly knew it was a social taboo, but to say he was trying to make cultural change is really stretching. We do not know his intentions, but Occam says hormonal teenager trumps activist any day.
That said, this probably happens quite a bit with teenagers, just not out in the open. Then, afterwards, after the physical and mental scarring endured, these young men learn hate. And that hate is not towards his oppressors, the regime and religion that beat him down. Instead it is twisted at women or those who do as they did, that they should suffer the same punishments. This is how these types of systems stay in place and prosper.
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[Americans are] quick to point out the injustice of the Saudi criminal code yet conveniently overlook the fact that it is a criminal offence to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, or that until 1967 interracial marriages were illegal in a plurality of states.
I think most Americans are quick to point out stupid laws in the U.S., too, when they become aware of such laws. But most Americans are just too stupid to vote out the Congresscritters who enact such laws.
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Fuck that entire culture. (Score:1)
Fuck it. The sooner it is wiped off this earth the better.
Video of his arrest (Score:2)
Apparently he was streaming when he was arrested (police arrives at 7:00): https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
That's all it takes? (Score:2)
Think it'll work? *crickets*
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I'm more surprised anyone really wants to live in Saudi Arabia, but some folks like that kind of totalitarian nonsense...
Re:What did he do? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Because it's easy.
You're going for facetious but you're right on point. It IS that easy. The world is a small tiny place. Until we start colonising Mars we're barely 30h worth of travel distance from anyone at any given time. If the goal is to simply get away from a shithole, heck you can do that in 4-5 hours for most of them.
I personally really don't understand the obsession people have with a place. It's just a place. There are many places in the world each with their own benefits. If one isn't completely happy with where
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You're going for facetious but you're right on point. It IS that easy. The world is a small tiny place. Until we start colonising Mars we're barely 30h worth of travel distance from anyone at any given time. If the goal is to simply get away from a shithole, heck you can do that in 4-5 hours for most of them.
I'm not sure it is that "easy" if you consider how "immigration" works differently in different places. Some people would lover to get out of the shithole, but then it is impossible politically, financial, and/or economically because of where they are at the time (or where they want to go). Talking is easy. Doing it is a completely different story...
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Having done it multiple times I can say that most countries do not place financial on the list, and when they do they do it for select countries. Politically also works in peoples favour in many places. This is also not new. I look at some cities in the Netherlands and they have had a majority immigrant population for a really long time. My airport taxi driver was Iranian and had been here for 35 years. Not wealthy, not well off, just didn't want to be there anymore. My sister grew up in Australia. She and
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Yeah, cecurry turned out to be right. B'cos it is easy - the way Saudis can just pick up visas at a travel office in US embassies in their country (in sharp contrast to other countries). Also, becoming a citizen is easy if one have at least something like $250k that you can bring into the country.
As far as places go, a place is a place in the US - you have a uniform standard of living anywhere and everywhere. It's different from third world countries, where typically, the capital and a few major cities
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B'cos it is easy - the way Saudis can just pick up visas at a travel office in US embassies in their country (in sharp contrast to other countries). Also, becoming a citizen is easy if one have at least something like $250k that you can bring into the country.
Yeah because the USA is the only destination to go to that makes the GP right. /sarcasm
Heck given the choice between the USA and the middle east I'm sure some would prefer the desert shithole. In the mean time there are many countries far more welcoming to immigrants and you really can just pickup and move. ... Like my Iranian taxi driver who's been here for a few years now. Not wealthy, not well connected, just didn't want to live in Iran anymore so he upped with his family and came to europe. No claiming
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You are right. If one is a Muslim w/ any amount of devotion, and has a skill that's desired by any business tycoon in the GCC countries, then it's a far better idea to settle in one of those countries. Just like the family of clock boy Achmet.
We're talking here about a Saudi guy who does not care for such rules, and who's now arrested for that. For him, he'd have done better by first getting out of there and then entertaining himself and anyone else this way. Although if he just knows Arabic, that wo
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One of the more hilarious typos for sure...
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We? So what role did you personally have in selling them tanks?
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He financed their construction.
Well, that's not entirely clear. If the Saudis bought them, then the Saudis financed them. If the Saudis bought them for less than what they cost, then either the manufacturer(s) subsidized some of the cost, or the taxpayers did. Which brings us to the fact that such expenses come out of the discretionary budget, which means it's essentially paid for almost entirely by income taxes or by debt that will be serviced by income taxes ... and that means that only about half of the people in the country actually
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I'm more surprised anyone really wants to live in Saudi Arabia, but some folks like that kind of totalitarian nonsense...
Not exactly Saudi Arabia, but you have Janet Jackson who married a Qatari sheikh and moved to Qatar, which is a Wahabi country like Saudi Arabia. Similar shit
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It is the economy, stupid (Score:2)
Saudi Arabia remains a very rich country. Its subsidized citizens are obscenely rich, but even the non-citizens are doing rather well. It has, for example, a large population of Indians, who, despite having no prospect of citizenship, like their salaries much better there, than in their own reasonably free country.
For another example, it had a large contingent of Arabs from Palestine until 1991 (when the fools celebrated Saddam Hussein's invasion into Kuwait and were summarily expelled by the Saudis over i
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"Sure they're evil, but they made the trains run on time..."
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Re:What did he do? (Score:5, Funny)
To be fair a little dance is a slippery slope.
First you do a little dance, that leads to making a little love, and then you get down tonight. Get down tonight.
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Yep, if you don't nip this in the bud, pretty soon women will be demanding to leave the house without their husband's permission.
Re:So....why was he arrested? (Score:5, Informative)
Saudi Arabia has laws banning men from engaging in any form of socializing with any women they aren't married or related to. Public lashing is a common punishment for those offenses, too, so it's not just a few days in jail that he's facing.
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Re:So....why was he arrested? (Score:5, Informative)
But woman in video isn't subject to those laws
No, but unfortunately, as a Saudi, the man in this case certainly is.
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forceful penetration is the standard for rape. Women cant break that law,
Wow, you really abstain from internet porn, don't you? I have to say I admire your restraint.
Re:So....why was he arrested? (Score:4, Insightful)
Christina: 'Today we are having our follow up split-screen live stream with Abu Sin in Riyahd. What up Abu!'
Abu appears in the split screen. He is in the middle of a public square, his hands are bound to a pole and his shirt is removed. In the background is crowd of onlookers and a large masked man in black unrolling a whip.
Abu: 'Whassup Christina Just chillin since our last stream, Yo!'
Christina: 'Cool. Do you like Beyonce?'
Abu: 'Totally, but my AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.... favorite is Justin Beiber.'
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> Once again religion demonstrates it's worthlessness.
Oh please, its not "religion." Its fucking human nature. Stalin was the biggest killer in modern history [ibtimes.com] Mao Zedung the second and Hitler was probably third. The first two were officially atheist the last was only nominally christian because that's just what white people in germany were.
As long as you are focused on "religion" as the cause of the problem rather than just another neutral tool that can be co-opted you are never going to improve the w
Re:Islam poisons everything (Score:2)
Stalin and Hitler were there, but the GP is almost right. As was pointed out above, he did everything he could to avoid saying 'Islam'.
But if one looks at history, more people have been killed over the centuries in the name of Islam than by either Stalin or Hitler. It started w/ the Arab conquests after Mohammed's death, then at the turn of the first millenium, there were the massacres that accompanied the conquest of the Indian sub-continent. Then in the Middle East, there was always warfare in the
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Saudi Arabia and their stupid pointless shitty laws
Meanwhile, they have a teenage pregnancy rate that's almost 1/3 of the US'
Just saying, it does seem to have an effect.
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Kind of like how Iran has no gay people.
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Islam poisons everything (Score:2)
In Islamic jurisprudence - where the rules of a religion are translated into applied laws of a country - there are 4 schools - Hanafi, Shafi'i, Maliki and Hanbali (talking about Sunni Islam here - there are 2 in Shia - Jaafari and Khomeni'i). Most Muslim countries in Asia follow the Hanafi school - that is countries like Jordan, Iraq, Turkey, the stans (to the extent they're followed at all), Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Kuwait. Egypt and Syria follow a blend of Hanafi and Shafi'i, since al Azhar un
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Not just Hillary, but pretty much every U.S. politician for decades now. Oil trumps morality any day, and it also crosses all party lines.
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Oil trumps morality any day, and it also crosses all party lines.
TRIGGERED.
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