US Department of Labor Is Suing Peter Thiel's Startup 'Palantir' For Discriminating Against Asians (reuters.com) 469
Palantir Technologies is a secretive start-up in Silicon Valley that specializes in big data analysis. It was founded in 2004 by Peter Thiel, Alex Karp, Joe Lonsdale, Stephen Cohen, and Nathan Gettings, and is backed by the FBI and CIA as it "helps government agencies track down terrorists and uncover financial fraud," according to Reuters. Today, the U.S. Department of Labor filed a lawsuit against the company, alleging that it discriminated against Asian job applicants. Reuters reports: The lawsuit alleges Palantir routinely eliminated Asian applicants in the resume screening and telephone interview phases, even when they were as qualified as white applicants. In one example cited by the Labor Department, Palantir reviewed a pool of more than 130 qualified applicants for the role of engineering intern. About 73 percent of those who applied were Asian. The lawsuit, which covers Palantir's conduct between January 2010 and the present, said the company hired 17 non-Asian applicants and four Asians. "The likelihood that this result occurred according to chance is approximately one in a billion," said the lawsuit, which was filed with the department's Office of Administrative Law Judges. The majority of Palantir's hires as engineering interns, as well as two other engineering positions, "came from an employee referral system that disproportionately excluded Asians," the lawsuit said. Palantir denied the allegations in a statement and said it intends to "vigorously defend" against them. The lawsuit seeks relief for persons affected, including lost wages.
State sponsored corporate spies (Score:5, Insightful)
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Statistically, the vast majority of Chinese spies engaged in corporate espionage and trade secret acquisition are asian.
Not the good ones... those are the expendable decoys meant to be caught.
Re:State sponsored corporate spies (Score:5, Interesting)
We had an ugly situation locally, where a supremely over-qualified graduate, from a top-tier university, was passed over for even an interview, and sued. Born Chinese. The company in question does sensitive work, and had run an extensive program to detect leaks/spies ... and every person they identified was Chinese. They started running the same process on new hires ... and, over a five year period, every Chinese hire turned out to be a spy. So the company simply stopped hiring Chinese. At some point, you can sympathize with their position: why the eff are they spending huge amounts on this aspect of security, when simply saying 'No Chinese hires' solves most of the problem?
It sucks, but unless the governments start treating corporate espionage seriously, and make the penalties serious enough that people won't engage in this behaviour, it is going to continue.
The other issue is that even second - and sometimes third - generation Chinese are leaned on, because they still have family back in China. Again, really sucks, but companies are just protecting themselves.
The question becomes, at what point does 'Not hiring Chinese' go from discrimination to simply safe practice? There isn't a clear answer :(
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Statistically, it's as close as makes any difference.
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No, but statistically it's quite likely that a random Asian is Chinese.
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Statistically, the vast majority of financial fraud is carried out by white men.
See why it's wrong now?
If that is a true statement (which it probably is), then nothing is wrong with it.
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It's wrong if you start not hiring white people because statistically they are the most likely to commit fraud. In reality it's a tiny minority of white people that do, just like it's a tiny minority of Asians that are Chinese government spies, and more over it's morally wrong and illegal to tar everyone of a particular race with the same brush.
Just saying "I have a very slightly lower risk of being subjected to corporate espionage if I avoid Asians because most Chinese spies are Asian" is about as dumb as
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What's wrong about it? It's a true statement.
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Basically it comes down to having a responsibility to check for reasonable fairness and do something when it becomes apparent that there is an issue.
Fire the non-asian people? Make a ruling that no one but asians are hired until this fairness is achieved? What is fair? And then, what do we do about other groups that are underrepresented? Will there come a time when a white woman is not hired and is passed over by a asian male? Is that in keeping with the demands for inclusiveness?
That means collecting the stats and when you see something like this identifying the problem and taking steps to rectify it.
As I noted, since there is a multiplicity of demands for inclusiveness, that in order to comply with them, someone is going to lose based not on their ability to do the job, bu
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Before or after being beaten up?
(sorry, but ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer)
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If you can get that accomplished before the month is out, we could have another Lehman Brothers as a Christmas gift.
What about the NBA? (Score:5, Insightful)
If we assume that all races of people are equally good at basketball, how can it be explained that 74.4% of basketball players are African American but African Americans only make up 13.2% of the population? The chances that there is no discrimination is way lower than 1 in a billion.
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Um no. Why do people with genes from West Africa (but who live all over the world in different cultures) make up the top 95% of the top sprint times? It isn't because they grew up sprinting. Same thing applies to basketball (or any other sport that requires athleticism). There are guys in the NBA that didn't start playing basketball until they were 18!
But they've been grabbing stuff and running their entire lives!
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http://www.npr.org/sections/pa... [npr.org]
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Um no. Why do people with genes from West Africa (but who live all over the world in different cultures) make up the top 95% of the top sprint times? It isn't because they grew up sprinting. Same thing applies to basketball (or any other sport that requires athleticism). There are guys in the NBA that didn't start playing basketball until they were 18!
Basketball is hardly a complex game. It's a tiny court with few guys and ball through a net. That's the hardest part of it but with practice it's easy.
Re:What about the NBA? (Score:5, Interesting)
You also have different groups of people that ignore sports as a way to get ahead entirely. They decide to go to college in order to get ahead or start a business in order to become rich and famous.
American blacks are an intensely anti-intellectual demographic versus Pakastanis.
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American blacks are an intensely anti-intellectual demographic versus Pakastanis.
Not just blacks. American culture in general.
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In a sport like basketball where there are only a few players on the court at any one time, a single star player can vastly improve a team's success
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If we assume that all races of people are equally good at basketball, how can it be explained that 74.4% of basketball players are African American but African Americans only make up 13.2% of the population? The chances that there is no discrimination is way lower than 1 in a billion.
And the fastest times in every event at the Olympics are all held by men! The discrimination is infinite!
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If we assume that all races of people are equally good at basketball, how can it be explained that 74.4% of basketball players are African American but African Americans only make up 13.2% of the population? The chances that there is no discrimination is way lower than 1 in a billion.
Basketball makes up a bigger part of African American culture, generating an excess amount of talent. This is also why there's so many more elite Canadian hockey players. It also explains why volleyball players are disproportionately white (despite a similar height bias).
And yes, there may also be a difference in athleticism, similar to how East Africans are great distance runners and West Africans great sprinters.
However, you can still have discrimination even when the two populations have different talent
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We cannot - therefore, your assumption must be incorrect, in a case of proof by contradiction.
Sports are physical events, where certain biological differences clearly affect performance. Race does involve biological factors besides just skin color, and some scientists have concluded that sub-saharan africans (not just "blacks", but a more specific subgroup) have a leg-length-to-body-size ratio that favors the kind of movement seen in basketball. You will find a similar bias towards taller basketball players
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However, no reproducible study has found a statistically significant difference in mental capacity between humans of different races.
http://www.iq-tests.eu/iq-test... [iq-tests.eu]
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No, this has been widely debunked. There are many factors, including the tests themselves being biased towards certain cultures, access to education, general levels of health in populations and so forth that explain observed differences. Race itself is considered a social construct, not a biological or genetic one. The IQ test itself is somewhat dubious.
Wikipedia covers it in extensive detail. [wikipedia.org]
The main supporters of the theory that race has a significant link to IQ are openly linked to white supremacist grou
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Philosophers syndrome: Mistaking a failure of imagination for an insight into necessity.
It doesn't even need to be the case that there is a difference in mental capabilities between races. It could be that certain groups have a culture that leads them to be better or worse at certain tasks on average, and those groups can be predominantly of one race/ethnicity. It could be that some cultures cause people to be overconfident in their abilities (e.g. causing them to be more likely to apply for jobs they are
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Shoulders of giants and all that. If the Arabs didn't have the brains to actually protect the Greek findings when we descended into religious bullshittery where we condemned it all as the work of heathens, we'd still be a few hundred years back and busy rebuilding.
Yes, it's kinda odd that they're now the religious loonies. One has to wonder where they learned that. Maybe the crusades were more of an export success than we ever dreamed they'd be.
Re:What about the NBA? (Score:4, Informative)
There is just so much fallacy in these sproutings of historical misfacts that it is astounding. The reason western civilization has done so well is the development of the scientific method. That process was invented by the amateur scientist philosophers of Europe, most of whom were either aristocrats or Christian clerics. As well as the scientific method Christianity, specifically Catholicism invented the University.
Neither the Chinese nor the Islamic civilizations were capable of analyzing and synthesizing their serendipitous discoveries into any kind of organized advancement of technology.
Islam threw away any scientific edge they might have had when they decided as a religious culture to move from beleif in a rational creator to beleif in a creator disposed to irrational behavior.
The crusades were a defensive response to the armed conquest of over half the ancient world by a group that converted by the sword and who attacked Europe as recently (before modern times) as the 15th century. The most recent crusade was launched in the 15th century to counteract the expansion of the Ottoman Empire in that period, an expansion not stopped until the European victory at Lepanto.
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Being tall is an advantage when playing basketball. Being non-Asian doesn't seem to be a help in doing data analysis. This can easily be checked by comparing the Asian candidate's qualifications and experience. I imagine this will be checked in court.
Or are you trying to use the widely debunked argument that white people are just more intelligent?
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Maybe they just had an Austrailian recruiter (Score:2)
feature, not a bug... (Score:2)
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Chinese speakers only (Score:3)
Meanwhile, you will see many Silicon Valley job descriptions for low level engineers that require the ability to speak Chinese.
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look at many of the apple job ads. they hint that you may be traveling to asia for work projects, but they do say that you need to speak chinese to work on many of the projects.
apple also lists many jobs that are for 'interns' and you know what that means: low pay and young age, only.
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fluency in [ mandarin | Chinese ] is a plus
Of course it's a plus. I'm likely to be hiring a group of Mechanical Engineers in the next six months, and I certainly want at least one of them to be fluent in Mandarin to make it easier to work with Chinese suppliers. It would be pretty handy if they speak Korean, Japanese or Hindi, too.
-jcr
So why not include an interpreter in your batch of hires? Unless one of your hires is Chinese/Korean/Japanese or whatever or you get one of each, but then are you hiring for their spoken languages or engineering ability?
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The ability to speak Chinese (you probably mean Mandarin) is not limited to a race any more than the ability to speak English is. If a Chinese national can learn English you can also learn Mandarin.
Thus, this is not racial discrimination, as would be, for example not hiring Asians.
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Are we still pretending... (Score:5, Insightful)
...that government agencies are apolitical?
Not surprising (Score:3)
Considering they are in the game of information warfare, I'm not surprised they are excluding Asians. Regardless of what's being said, the US and China are in an information war and the two countries that steal the most information are the US and China. I'm betting the Asians they did hire are Japanese or South Korean.
I don't blame them for discriminating and I wouldn't blame a Chinese company doing the same thing for excluding US allies from their list of potential hires.
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I once applied to huawei (sp?) for a networking job. not that I wanted to work there, per se, but I was in dire need of a job and a recruiter contacted me about this place.
one of the first questions from the interviewer on the phone was:
"so, why do you, an american, want to work for a chinese company?"
it went downhill from there.....
glad I didn't get the job. from reading glassdoor, if you are not chinese and don't speak it, you'll never get anywhere in this place; and its right in the middle of silicon v
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"Hollandish" is not even an English word. The English demonyms are "Dutch" and "Dutchman". If you don't like that, you're free to go post on a board that uses some other language than English.
17 to 4 (Score:5, Interesting)
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"5 White, ... 4 European"
I have trouble visualising that difference.
So what? (Score:3)
Universities in America discriminate against Asians in exactly the same way. Literally exactly the same way. Asians are admitted at a much lower rate than of which they apply.
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Culture has value, we need to ensure we retain some of it.
Re: So what? (Score:2)
They discriminate against American Asians.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't (Score:3, Insightful)
If you hire in proportion to the racial makeup of the general population, you are sued for racial discrimination because you didn't hire in proportion to how many applicants of each race you got.
Step 1: Establish laws where people are guilty no matter what they do.
Step 2: Those in power decide which people/companies are undesirable.
Step 3: Sue them and only them for violating those laws.
Big Brother would be proud.
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Dial in the paranoia there buddy.
You can sue anyone at any time for any reason and on the grounds of no merit whatsoever, regardless of the law. Just because someone's being sued doesn't mean they're going to lose and it also doesn't mean they've done something contrary to the laws. Those two things are of course often quite unrelated.
Re: Damned if you do, damned if you don't (Score:2)
The plaintiff in this case is the US Department of Labor. They're not supposed to sue people without good reason, but the allegations as stated are very thin, and IMO likely to lead to a loss in court. Palantir will probably be entirely vindicated, but only after spending way more on lawyers than should be required.
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Palantir will probably be entirely vindicated, but only after spending way more on lawyers than should be required.
That's a flaw with the legal system, and has nothing to do with paranoia over anti discrimination laws. I've been a victim of such things, from a private individual. I'm 100% sure the case had no merit, but I had to settle out of court because not only did I not have the time or money to fight properly, but being involved in a legal dispute would have spelled death for my company at that stage.
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Sure, the US legal system is designed to make it easy for people to sue. You're overlooking my point: We should expect the government to be more discerning in its (civil) lawsuits than the "average" case. When the federal government prosecutes abusive lawsuits that cost citizens time, money, and stress, at least two branches of the government have failed.
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False dichotomy. Notice how certain sports that are dominated by certain races don't get sued for discrimination? That's because they hire based mostly on ability, which is fair and non-discriminatory.
To be clear I'm not saying that sport is free from discrimination, far from it, I'm saying that the requirement is to hire without discrimination against protected classes, not to reach some arbitrary statistical goal. Stats are only used as a basic measure of diversity, but when there is a non-discriminatory
WOW, this is fucked (Score:5, Informative)
And dept. of Labor is saying that we must hire ppl of which a known quantity is going to be spies.
I have dealt with 1-2 spies already and both were Chinese. I would hate to have Dept. of Labor be able to control a company that deals with national security to this degree.
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I almost was hired there (Score:2)
some perspective (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.unz.com/isteve/obam... [unz.com]
Obama Admin Sues CIA-funded Counter-espionaged Firm Palantir for Only Hiring 44% Asians
- Palantir partner Information Warfare Monitor used Palantir software to uncover both the Ghostnet and the Shadow Network. The Ghostnet was a China-based cyber espionage network targeting 1,295 computers in 103 countries, including the Dalai Lama’s office, a NATO computer and embassies. The Shadow Network was also a China-based espionage operation that hacked into the Indian security and defense apparatus. Cyber spies stole documents related to Indian security, embassies abroad, and NATO troop activity in Afghanistan.
So, maybe, the reason Palantir gets 85% of its job applications for software engineer from Asians but only hires 44% Asian has something to do with, I don’t know, Chinese espionage?
Consider who Palantir's major customers are. . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
. . . hint: most are Federal "three-letter-agancies". Which means, to get hired, you not only need the skills, but the ability to obtain a high-level security clearance.
That means, first, US Citizenship, and preferably by birth, just because of the logistics of a clearance investigation. Secondly, the more ties of blood one has to people in non-US countries, the harder it is to get the required clearance. . . .and third, depending on background and origin of those blood ties, some nations (China comes to mind) are far more problematic than others. . .
Something deeper.. (Score:5, Interesting)
More likely some state actor is getting desperate to get some people inside.
Other than that this looks pretty normal. Anyone who deals with such placement knows that you get a flood of obviously fake, misleading, and just plain silly applications from certain Asian countries and groups which are not difficult to weed out but make the numbers look exactly as we are seeing here.
Other than that the ratio of actual placements looks pretty normal for someone not living on H1b slaves..
So.. Someone is putting a lot of work into creating this issue.. Which means either political or financial pressure.
Re:Something deeper.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Advertise a job in Silicon Valley and you will get lots of applications from ethnically Asian people who are local and either have green cards or are citizens. There is no reason to assume that this issue is in any way related to foreign applicants (who can be legitimately discriminated against).
Re: Something deeper.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Working in a national security environment it is doubly hard to not discriminate against new citizens and legal residents when they come from countries that are targeting the US for espionage.
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It does say Asian, not Asian-American. Asian means from Asia. You wouldn't call a white American a European.
Are you kidding, right? There is no such Asian vs. Asian-American in this type of statistics. The Asian is determine by their appearance (and/or genes), not where they were born. People see Asians born in America as Asians when they first see them. Even when they speak to them, sometimes they can't figure out without asking them whether the Asians were born in America or came into the country when they were very young (no accent). That's why statistics usually uses the word "ethnic". I have a feeling that y
Re: Something deeper.. (Score:3)
The issue here is the gov't decided that every applicant was qualified for software engineer positions at this well-regarded company, then it determined that 85% of the qualified applicant
Re:Something deeper.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Palantir is located across the street from Stanford University. There are plenty of extremely well qualified Asians in Palo Alto. Palantir has a "boys club" culture, and tends to hire by referrals. I don't think they intentionally set out to avoid hiring Asians, it is just their hiring practices are biased toward white guys recommended by white guys.
Re:Asian discrimination?? (Score:5, Insightful)
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If these were IT positions, then I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them who were qualified on paper were rejected because their actual knowledge didn't reflect their written qualifications. That is, they might have braindumped their way through some vendor certifications, which would qualify them on paper, but doesn't necessarily mean they're knowledgeable. Braindumped IT certifications look far more legit than a degree from a diploma mill, and would probably fool a government entity who is auditing their
Left field / outside the box is American culture (Score:5, Insightful)
> I don't know why but schools in asian nations are allowing students to get qualifications based on book sense not the ability to work through a complex problem that may need a left of field answer.
According to the people I work with who aren't from the US, that's a significant cultural difference. Most cultures value more knowing and following the rules and procedures, being an efficient part of the team. And that's good - Japan achieves consistently high quality partly because the workers consistently follow the specified procedure.
The US is different in the degree to which we value "outside the box thinking" or what you call "out of left field" answers, coming up with your own way of doing things. On the other hand, many of my American colleagues lack the book knowledge. For example, database adminstrators with little knowledge of, and no respect for, the basic normalization rules. Flying by the seat of your pants, thinking outside the box can be very good, and it can be very bad. If you're trying to come up with a revolutionary new design for a mach 6 jet, you'll need to think outside the box. When manufacturing the turbine blades inside the jet's engine, you need to know the book knowledge cold and follow the correct procedures precisely.
It's no coincidence that people in the US have invented so many things, while Japan and other nations beat us mightily at building higher quality cars, electronics, and other items. Some American goes off and invents the transistor, then the integrated circuit, by trying some wild idea. Then Asian people build millions of ICs that work right, pretty damn consistently.
Again, it's a cultural thing. Obviously nothing about being American is genetic - we're a genetic soup, but we have our own culture. Less so now than 40, 60, or 100 years ago.
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You have to write the book first to be able to go "by the book", and it needs correction from time to time.
An attitude of stasis has you selling buggy whips in the automobile age.
Although it's now something associated with Asia that cultural thing was a continuation of the ideas of Henry Ford and others.
What we see far too much of now as "the American way" is instead to ideas of trust fund babies like Edsel Ford who were happy to coast along and relied on people below them to make ad-hoc changes.
Our manufacturing culture used to look like the Toyota way, now instead it looks like a bunch of drunken roaming bandits looking for someone who has actually got something to work to steal from.
All that said, recent Asian graduates don't really know about that either - I'm just clearing up the idea that "just going by the book" is where the success of those Asian companies came from. They get things to work well, write the book, then go by it until it's time to change it - just like some successful places in the west have done.
Toyota Way: All of section 2, principles 5, 6, 8 (Score:3)
Let's do look at the Toyota Way, which is organized into four sections.
Section 2 is "The Right Process Will Produce the Right Results".
Within that, we have principles 5, 6, and 8:
Build a culture ... to get quality right the first time. ... ...
Standardized tasks and processes are the foundation
Use only reliable, thoroughly tested
Do ya think maybe they try to follow the same process consistently? Or is it a cowboy culture where everyone does their own thing?
> I'm just clearing up the idea that "just going
Re:Left field / outside the box is American cult (Score:4, Insightful)
Am I the only one who read "Asian" as a politically correct version of "Indian" in this story?
Anyone who does hiring in IT can tell you about the massive amount of "qualified" Indian candidates with 25 certifications who somehow can't answer basic questions. I am not surprised by those numbers.
Work culture and education (Score:2)
What the parent said. In my experience, there are two stereotypical problems with people from Asian cultures (as opposed to Americans or Europeans of Asian ethnicity - important distinction). Individuals vary, of course, but Asian workers tend to have two problems, from an American/European perspective:
- Too much respect for authority. They do exactly what they are told, nothing less but also nothing more. You must instruct them on every step of their task, or they stop and wait, providing no initiative or
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Like how filipinos are not considered asians by other asians? Yeah, stereotypes get funny.
Re:Asian discrimination?? (Score:5, Funny)
Spell. Where is Conan the Grammarian when you need him ?
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It depends which Asians. TFA is incredibly vague.
Are they talking about middle-eastern applicants? Perhaps there are security concerns?
Indians? Around here its not unusual to get a lot of applications from blatantly unqualified Indian immigrants, or fake qualifications that become apparent at the interview stage. So applicant numbers don't mean much there.
I wish TFA would just say what it means. It might be obvious to the locals, but not to everyone else.
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This is an American news story. Here, Asian means Oriental, which is where ninjas, samurai and kung-fu monks come from. But we shouldn't say Oriental any more because it reinforces racist notions about which direction the Roman Empire thought the sun rose from in the morning. (Part of that is a joke, but, sadly, not enough.)
If it was a European news story, Asian would mean Muslim and nothing more, though you can usually make a good guess based on the country: English Asians are mostly Pakistani, German A
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Nope. I've never heard Turks or Arabs described as Asian. In England at least it's the superclass of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.
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I am European and have lived in three of the countries you mention above (not Italy) and I think you are making a very broad and incorrect statement about what Europeans mean by Asian. In most places, Asian means primarily what it does in the US, that is the subgroup formed of Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese (to some extent). In some places, the UK, but only in more formal conversation, Asian is considered to include people from the Indian sub-continent and greater South-East Asia, but even there t
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speak good English
"speak English well"
Both are grammatically correct. Its the second AC who doesn't speak English good.
Re: Trump'd Up Charge? (Score:2)
This government? Politically motivated? Not a chance!
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... someone who only a little while ago carried a nice red book and quoted the chairman.
For those of you playing along with us at home, "little while" in this context means "at least a quarter-century". Seriously, get with the times already.
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Re:Good ole boy system (Score:5, Interesting)
Seems like it was less intentional racism, and more exposing the systemic racism of the good ole boy system.
In all companies I've worked at, there has always been a strong statistical correlation between the race of the hiring manager and the race of team members. This has been true for Chinese, Indian, and white managers. For my managers, I have felt that the bias has not been intentional but rather subconscious. Nonetheless, it is usually obvious.
For my first job, my Indian manager had a team that was one-third Indian and one-third Chinese. After about three years, all the Chinese had left, while all of the Indians had stayed. When I pointed this out to my manager, he showed obvious embarrassment about the implication of racial factors in the makeup of his team. I liked my manager, and I don't consider him to be racist. However, race is always factor, at least in a subconscious way.
Re:Good ole boy system (Score:4, Informative)
Also, they're only looking at resumes to determine qualifications. I'll tell you right now that we get a TON of bogus resumes from body shops, especially Indian ones. Make no mistakes: we have many qualified Indians, including management, but you get a ton of padded resumes that don't hold up under questioning. And yes, you do get those from everywhere, but the predominately Indian body shops can drown you in them.
I concur. Unfortunately, of all the job interviews I do, there's a strong correlation between padded interviews and the origin of the applicant. That doesn't say anything about the individuals from these countries, but based on the original number of applicants, a proportionally higher number of them will not get hired - their qualifications did not meet the requirements.
For applicants from some other countries, there is a pattern of not listing all qualifications they have. That doesn't mean that the individuals are better, but statistically, those applicants are more likely to advance in the queue after an interview.
This is not racism. It's looking at actual qualifications.
I couldn't care less whether you're green and furry, but if something in your resume appears to be an untruth, you're not going to get hired. If a higher percentage of Indians put qualifications they don't have on their resumes, a higher percentage of Indians are going to get turned down.
The recruiting companies have to take a lot of the blame, I think. Some, i fear i have reason to believe, suggests what the applicants should add.
But if your resume says several years of Unix sysadmin experience, and you cannot name a Unix vendor or OS name when asked, you're not discriminated against when turned down.
Re:Lost wages (Score:4, Insightful)
While I do not agree with the request that people off themselves, this is essentially what I came to say.
Lost wages for a job you didn't get is like lost profit for a sale that never happened. Should Walmart sue everyone that decided to shop their weekly groceries somewhere else?
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