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New Study Shows Why Big Pharma Hates Medical Marijuana (washingtonpost.com) 416

HughPickens.com writes: Christopher Ingraham writes in the Washington Post that a new study shows that painkiller abuse and overdose are significantly lower in states with medical marijuana laws and that when medical marijuana is available, pain patients are increasingly choosing pot over powerful and deadly prescription narcotics. The researchers "found that, in the 17 states with a medical-marijuana law in place by 2013, prescriptions for painkillers and other classes of drugs fell sharply compared with states that did not have a medical-marijuana law... In medical-marijuana states, the average doctor prescribed 265 fewer doses of antidepressants each year, 486 fewer doses of seizure medication, 541 fewer anti-nausea doses and 562 fewer doses of anti-anxiety medication. But most strikingly, the typical physician in a medical-marijuana state prescribed 1,826 fewer doses of painkillers in a given year."

[P]ainkiller drug companies "have long been at the forefront of opposition to marijuana reform, funding research by anti-pot academics and funneling dollars to groups, such as the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America, that oppose marijuana legalization..."

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New Study Shows Why Big Pharma Hates Medical Marijuana

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 17, 2016 @06:41AM (#52527689)

    Yes, their voices need to be heard, but companies ought not to become politically powerful entities. They are there to make money, produce goods, and make our lives better, not to tell us how to live.

    • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:52AM (#52527853)

      Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

      • by no-body ( 127863 )

        Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

        And the solution is?

        Except talking about it....

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 )

          At the very least, making any donation public.
          And making attempts to hide donation source criminal.

          You should at least know who is buying which representative and senator.
          Since 2008ish we can't do that any longer as they are allowed to hide their donations legally.

          • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @11:09AM (#52528453)

            We tried that. The net effect was that corporations don't donate to politicians anymore but they found a branch and employ said politician as a consultant and pay him for consulting. Which led to an interesting bonmot in a trial for corruption around here where a politician asked his "employer": "Uh, hey, say, what was my service to you again?"

            Yes, our politicians are even too stupid to be properly corrupt.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by no-body ( 127863 )

            At the very least, making any donation public.
            And making attempts to hide donation source criminal.

            You should at least know who is buying which representative and senator.
            Since 2008ish we can't do that any longer as they are allowed to hide their donations legally.

            Ha ha ha!

            All this "it should..." thinking may be great but has no effect at this point until Donald the savior shows up and fixes it all (pun intended).

            Reality is that the people benefitting from this money source - or honor/social stand are the one's making the laws - House and Senate.

            Would they cut in their own fingers? Your guess.

            Same goes for the revolving door Congress Industry, expect any change there?

            Or look how they are fighting about Supreme Court nominations to tilt the laws there in their favor

        • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @02:14PM (#52529165)

          "And the solution is?"

          I like the proposal that has been floated to make all politicians wear their corporate sponsor logos on their suits every day, like NASCAR drivers.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by ooloorie ( 4394035 )

        Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

        Companies in the US already have strong restrictions on "political donations".

        What they can do is communicate on issues. So, are you going to start massively censoring speech by companies? How exactly is that going to work? Does "company" include the New York Times, or only companies you don't like?

        • by XXongo ( 3986865 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @09:45AM (#52528187) Homepage

          Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

          Companies in the US already have strong restrictions on "political donations".

          They may have "restrictions"-- but they find ways to donate anyway. Nice thing about corporations; they have lawyers to find the loopholes.

          Here's the top contributors list from OpenSecrets.org: https://www.opensecrets.org/or... [opensecrets.org]

          What they can do is communicate on issues.

          Yes, that's the biggest loophole: the Political Action Committee ("PAC"). It's "supposed" to be to "communicate issues". Every candidate has one.
          "Political contributions, which used to go directly to candidates, now often flow to Super PACs, independent organizations that can raise money to either help or defeat a political candidate. Historically, traditional political action committees have been prohibited from accepting donations from unions and companies. However, following rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court and the Court of Appeals, Super PACs are now allowed to accept unlimited donations from unions and companies, provided the money does not go directly to the campaign.
          The rise of the Super PAC has opened the door to a new generation of fundraising, changing how money is used to elect candidates and increasing the amount candidates need to raise to be competitive as they seek office.

          (source: http://247wallst.com/special-r... [247wallst.com] )

          So, are you going to start massively censoring speech by companies? How exactly is that going to work? Does "company" include the New York Times, or only companies you don't like?

          A start would be a law mandating that money donated to political action committees has to be disclosed: if you're funding political campaigns, you have to do it openly, not secretly. This wouldn't even require overturning the Citizen's United decision: the Supreme court already said that this would be legal.

          • by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @10:07AM (#52528257) Journal
            Note your OpenSecrets list is for 2016 only, and is only what has been reported through Q1 2016. Many organizations hold their spending/influence until after the conventions. Looking at how the spending ends up [opensecrets.org] is much more illustrative of where the money comes from.
          • Nice thing about corporations; they have lawyers to find the loopholes. ... Here's the top contributors list from OpenSecrets.org

            The table you point to lists primarily contributions from employees, and they go primarily to causes and issues. The association with corporations is indirect, as is the association with parties. You're being dishonest by misrepresenting this table as "political donations by corporations".

            Yes, that's the biggest loophole: the Political Action Committee ("PAC"). It's "supposed" to

      • This was going on before political donations. As long as companies (or labor unions, or other organized groups) can promise nice, fat "consulting/board" positions to politicians after they retire, they will have power.
        • This was going on before political donations. As long as companies (or labor unions, or other organized groups) can promise nice, fat "consulting/board" positions to politicians after they retire, they will have power.

          This would be easily handled with "conflict of issue" or "bribery" laws. It would be easy enough to make these sort of things illegal. The problem would be getting the political power to do it in the first place and enforcing it afterwards. Public shaming in theory should even work but as you can see from our current crop of candidates, the public doesn't seem to care if their candidate is morally corrupt and does illegal or unethical things as long as that candidate is perceived to be on their "side".

    • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

      Companies have employees. THEIR voices can be heard.

      • Then those people can go and vote at the polls like everyone else, rather than having an unfair advantage through lobbying.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by ooloorie ( 4394035 )

      Companies don't have "political power"; they can't vote, they can't serve in Congress. Companies simply inherit the right to free speech from their owners; that is, I can either speak for myself, or I can get together with a couple of other people--or a million other people--to pool money and exercise my free speech rights. If you attack that right of "companies", you're attacking my right to free speech. Furthermore, any even remotely plausible restrictions on free speech exercised through companies needs

      • by XXongo ( 3986865 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @10:00AM (#52528235) Homepage

        Companies don't have "political power"; they can't vote, they can't serve in Congress.

        To the contrary, companies have plenty of political power. What we've discovered in the 20th century is that the money to run political campaigns is power.

        Companies simply inherit the right to free speech from their owners;

        Yes, that's the basis for the Supreme Court "Citizens United" decision. It is on questionable logical grounds however: corporations are not citizens, and while the people composing a corporation have first-amendment rights, it is not at all clear that the corporations themselves do. The belief that an object inherits the properties of the pieces composing it is one of the logical fallacies: this is the fallacy of composition. [fallacyfiles.org]

        (Or see: Logically Fallacious: Fallacy of composition. [logicallyfallacious.com])

        The alternative would be to say that the people themselves have the right to donate to political campaigns, but if they want to do so, they must do so personally, and not from the corporations. This is also perfectly reasonable: corporations are legal entities, not persons, and can be subject to different laws then people.

        • To the contrary, companies have plenty of political power. What we've discovered in the 20th century is that the money to run political campaigns is power.

          Corporations in the US cannot "run political campaigns"; they can't even contribute to political campaigns.

          Yes, that's the basis for the Supreme Court "Citizens United" decision. It is on questionable logical grounds however: corporations are not citizens, and while the people composing a corporation have first-amendment rights, it is not at all clear tha

      • No, corporations just decide who we may vote for, and then we may decide which of their vassals we want to vote for.

        I think it's called "separation of power".

    • You can only donate to campaigns you can vote in and you can only advertise your products and services.
  • by Sax Russell 5449D29A ( 4449961 ) <sax.russell@protonmail.com> on Sunday July 17, 2016 @06:48AM (#52527707)

    Whatever the drug companies think is bad for their business, must be good for the consumers.

  • Ummm click bait (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    So because J&J donates to drug prevention efforts for children you logically assume they only do it because they are afraid of lost revenue due to legal marijuana? That's a pretty far stretch. that is like saying Britain donates to food pantries so they can by food from farmers who harm our water supply more......

  • by transporter_ii ( 986545 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:08AM (#52527755) Homepage

    Big Pharma is only one of five industries spending big money to keep it illegal. The rest are aggravating, too. Private prisons, prison guard unions, and actual law enforcement are also involved. Law enforcement should just enforce the laws, in my opinion. They should not be involved in lobbying for or against them, though.

    http://www.republicreport.org/... [republicreport.org]

    • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      It affects their revenue stream.

    • by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:38AM (#52527821)
      Dont forget the alcohol lobby.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      In Canada the "Royal" Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) make tens of billions of dollars a year on cannabis. They completely control the trade. Confiscate, resell, confiscate, resell. They can sell the same product over and over and over. They decide who their approved dealers are and the rest got to jail. They even spike it with harder drugs like they always accused the Hells Angels of doing (which they never did). The RCMP kicked the Hells Angels out of Eastern Canada in the early 90's and then promptly took

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      I think the police want drug prohibition, not because they think that enforcing drug prohibition makes much of a difference, but because it supplies a ready justification for stopping and searching people and the odds aren't bad that some of these stops will result in arrests for drug possession, boosting an officer's arrest stats.

      Strip away drug laws and the cops have a lot less to do, or, more likely, have to focus their efforts on solving/preventing other crimes.

      • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

        Nope. Your average cop doesn't want it, rather they'd like to see softer drugs like MJ regulated and sold. The best example? Let's say you're on a boat, that boat is filling with water but you're still bailing water to stay afloat. Right now? You're up to your neck in that shit, but you're still bailing water. That's what your frontline cops believe. The staff sgt's? Generally the same, but once you get into the higher ranks? Nope, they're against it. But they're also in their very late 40's or 50

    • by mjm1231 ( 751545 )

      Law enforcement should just enforce the laws, in my opinion. They should not be involved in lobbying for or against them, though.

      http://www.republicreport.org/... [republicreport.org]

      The opinion of law enforcement is one I'm actually interested in. Their input into how difficult something is to police is certainly useful in finding the best working solutions. (It's also possible that their input on a given matter is useless, but the only way to know is to listen to it.)

      It's the lobbying bit that's the problem. Instead of gathering input from various groups and crafting the best workable solution, you often get the solution that best appeases the highest bidders.

  • Candy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:30AM (#52527801)

    My wife had damaged the occipital nerve on the left side of her head in an accident. She had excruciating pain from this and went repeatedly to various doctors trying to get some help. They handed out hydrocodone and oxycodone like it was candy. After exhausting all options locally she was sent to a pain center. Their answer? More pills. I remember sitting there with a humongous bottle of hydrocodone and told her if you take all this shit it's going to kill you. I got her in to the pain clinic at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta and the doctor there did a nerve ablation that gave her relief from the pain. It came back and she had to have further treatment but the last 3 years have been pain free. It seems that if doctors can't figure what to do they just throw pills at it.

    • by tomhath ( 637240 )
      Pain treatment is a specialty. Was she going to a pain specialist before she visited Emory?
    • It seems that if doctors can't figure what to do they just throw pills at it.

      First off, sorry for your wife's struggles. I am glad she is past it.

      In reality, many doctors don't know what to do and resort to symptom management with drugs. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but it does seem like the easy answer sometimes. You were wise to keep trying different doctors, they don't all now everything. I've learned not to accept 'there is nothing we can do', sometimes there is, sometimes they are right.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      I got her in to the pain clinic at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta and the doctor there did a nerve ablation that gave her relief from the pain. It came back and she had to have further treatment but the last 3 years have been pain free. It seems that if doctors can't figure what to do they just throw pills at it.

      I'm glad you figured out a way to end the pain, just realize that there are many painful diseases and injuries we don't have a cure for no matter how long and hard you search. Using medication to numb the pain is in many cases the best we can do to reduce suffering, whether it's short term until it heals, more or less permanent against chronic disease or just to ease the passing for terminal diseases. I don't think doctors want to "throw pills at it" if they can see a better option. But sometimes specialist

    • by rikkards ( 98006 )

      My wife has suffered from anxiety and depression her whole life, she was on SSRI (Cialis) which did nothing for the anxiety but made her more depressed as she gained 40lbs due to it (which is a known side effect but they seem to gloss over it). She had a bad episode earlier this year and her doctor gave her a prescription for benzodiazapine without blinking. The results are just taking a quarter of a pill with the lowest dosage knocks her our and gives her a hangover the next morning. She did some research

  • What ever happened to my body, my choice? Is it only true when you are killing the unborn?

    Maybe we don't need to get rid of the FDA but just change it so it can't prohibit drugs. It can give the FDA "Seal of Approval" for drugs that meet it's standards. You should be allowed to sell any compound. As long as it's labeled properly and accurately the drug maker shouldn't be liable for any side effects. After all Peanuts are a great, cheap source of protein. But they also kill some people. It's should be up to

    • That's what I would do: strip the FDA of its power to keep products off the market, because that's where the corruption comes into play. Look up the story of colchicine for an example of what I'm getting at.

      Let the FDA test, and require that every product that it tests be labeled with the FDA's evaluation, but otherwise be sold freely. Let doctors and their patients make up their own minds on whether or not it might be worthwhile in a specific case to prescribe a compound labeled as "Still in Phase III tria

    • The FDA is for more than blocking legitimate treatments. Its origin is based around mislabeled or adulterated drugs, which is a far more serious problem that would come back without some oversight.

  • by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @07:48AM (#52527841)

    Learn about the secret all natural plant that might get you off anti-depressants and painkillers that the big pharmas don't want you to know!

    • by Ubi_NL ( 313657 )

      Read quickly before this article gets banned!!!!

  • by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Sunday July 17, 2016 @08:00AM (#52527881) Homepage

    Having tried both, I feel that pot is less addictive than Atavian.

    When my mother had cancer, they gave her Benzodiazepines for stress. The withdraw she went thought was like nothing I have ever seen anyone go through from pot.

    Perhaps in a perfect world there would be no pot, but there wouldn't big drug and beer companies telling you and your government what to do.

  • Those people are still on drugs.

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 )
      If you have to be on drugs because you're in constant pain, you want to be on the drugs that won't directly kill you. It's hard to OD on pot. We've had two or three in Colorado where edibles were involved, but nothing like the "another OD death every 30 minutes" that's currently going on with prescription painkillers. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the studies end up showing that it's less harmful to your body than alcohol or even some OTC painkillers like Tylenol.
      • It's hard to OD on pot.

        No! it's IMPOSSIBLE. The National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse researched this in 1972. I know. My Mom worked for the Commission (which recommended Decriminalization of Pot, BTW), and I have seen the underlying research they had done.

      • Yeah, well, I'll remember that next time a 2-year old wanders away from his home and winds up dead face down in a slag pit because the mother was too stoned to pay attention to the kid. I'll remember that next time another 2-year old dies because the kid's guardian overdosed the kid to get him to shut up and then dumps the body in the middle of the night. I have personally spent more than a week searching for both of these kids. Don't ever give me this crap about it being a victimless crime.

        • by Khyber ( 864651 )

          " I'll remember that next time another 2-year old dies because the kid's guardian overdosed the kid to get him to shut up and then dumps the body in the middle of the night."

          And you've got the toxicology report to show us to PROVE it was *JUST* cannabis and nothing else?

          Start fucking dropping docs, and back your fucking words up.

  • Mind you, I would be okay with rifle companies lobbying for gun control and Lockheed Martin funding anti-war protests, while that's still an excessive use of private money power for political power that'd be a change.

  • It's easy to reach that conclusion. However there are some important facts to consider that the conclusion conveniently passes on.

    One, opiod prescription rates are down significantly in nearly all states, largely due to new regulations that are meant to discourage their use.

    Two, opiods are often amongst the smallest and easiest to synthesize molecules in pharma today. A lot of companies can easily make them, which makes them cheap and low-profit. The big pharma companies don't even want to bother mak
    • One, opiod prescription rates are down significantly in nearly all states, largely due to new regulations that are meant to discourage their use.

      That's true. The new regulations make it almost impossible to get decent painkillers any more. Vicodin doesn't work on me at all, it does absolutely nothing in my system. I can take four big ones and wash them down with a beer and... nothing. I'm terrified of the torture I'll have to go through if I get a serious injury because of these misguided laws. MJ doesn't cure all pain, after all.

      Two, opiods are often amongst the smallest and easiest to synthesize molecules in pharma today. A lot of companies can easily make them, which makes them cheap and low-profit. The big pharma companies don't even want to bother making them.

      They like selling blood pressure medication and sleeping pills okay, though.

      big pharma could make lots of money selling pot if they wanted to.

      No, no they could not, because they could not

      • big pharma could make lots of money selling pot if they wanted to.

        They can't make big money on anything they can't patent.

        That is very much untrue. If that were the case then we wouldn't see any name brand Tylenol, Advil, etc being sold at retail. There are plenty of other drugs that have gone off-patent (and OTC as well) that the big pharma companies are still making lots of money on. Go to your local drug store, and look in the NSAID aisle. Compare how much of the shelf space is name-brand Advil to store-brand Ibuprofen; this is based on how much money the company behind the name brand is making, as they are paying the

        • There is plenty wrong with big pharma and with the system. But all that big pharma is doing against generics is marketing.

          False. [guardianlv.com]

          You are doubting the creativity of big pharma. They only need to change the formulation of a mixture and they have something they can sell as unique.

          Something nobody wants. Unless they can keep the other stuff illegal, they won't be able to sell it.

    • by XXongo ( 3986865 )
      I tend to agree that conspiracy theories usually are more easily explained by other less sinister factors, but I have to point out that none of the points you make seem to hold up on examination.

      It's easy to reach that conclusion. However there are some important facts to consider that the conclusion conveniently passes on. One, opiod prescription rates are down significantly in nearly all states, largely due to new regulations that are meant to discourage their use.

      No: The research quoted in TFA says that prescriptions for painkillers and other classes of drugs fell compared with states that did not have a medical-marijuana law. This is a comparison study, not a "opiod use dropped, therefore it must be medical marijuana" correlation=causation study.

      Two, opiods are often amongst the smallest and easiest to synthesize molecules in pharma today. A lot of companies can easily make them, which makes them cheap and low-profit.

      Faulty thinking: "cheap to

  • by blindseer ( 891256 ) <blindseerNO@SPAMearthlink.net> on Sunday July 17, 2016 @01:49PM (#52529093)

    We now have 25 states and DC that have made marijuana available for medical use. A handful of states, in spite of federal prohibitions, that have legalized it for recreational purposes. Half of the US states, districts, and territories are now violating federal law. What happened to the supremacy of federal law? Makes me wonder how else the states can tell the federal government to fuck off.

    The DEA has now drawn up a set of "policies", which also violate federal law, where they do not enforce federal law on the possession of marijuana in jurisdictions where it is "legal". IMHO, this is an admission by the federal government that they cannot enforce federal laws without the cooperation of local law enforcement. This was always true but now they must admit it outright. Things were different when the federal government was unopposed.

    The event that set a countdown timer in my mind for the end of federal prohibitions on marijuana possession was a news article about a Girl Scout selling cookies outside a medical marijuana dispensary in California. That must have been two years ago now and she was about 12 years old as I recall. This tells me that we have four years until this young lady is old enough to vote. When that happens then expect the federal government to fold on marijuana.

    I expect to see in 2020, if not sooner, people running for public office talking about how they believe marijuana to be as safe as alcohol and tobacco. What this means in more specific policy terms would be interesting. Would this mean that marijuana regulation moves from the DEA to the BATFE? What would this mean for the future of the DEA? Would they be tasked with keeping marijuana from being smuggled *from* the USA *into* Mexico?

    I don't expect the legalization of marijuana to have further effects on other drugs but I do see it as setting into motion other aspects of states rights. If states can legalize marijuana without federal opposition then what about gun laws? Energy is a big concern, what keeps a state from licensing nuclear power reactors on their own? We're already seeing states push back on the DHS running security at airports, what purpose does the DHS serve if all the states kick them out of all their airports?

    It's also possible that the federal government learns from this to pick the fights they can win in order to keep federal supremacy from being questioned again. Legalizing marijuana might just do that. If the federal government backs off on this now then the smaller things like gun control might not come up. This assumes the federal government, made up of thousands of alpha personality types and each having their own idea on what roles the federal government should fulfill, can come to any singular conclusion on policy.

    I think we are seeing a new revolution on rights, or merely a government sized train wreck, happen in slow motion.

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