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PayPal Pulls North Carolina Plan After Transgender Bathroom Law (reuters.com) 1095

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: PayPal Holdings Inc on Tuesday canceled plans to open a global operations center in Charlotte, North Carolina and invest $3.6 million in the area after the state passed a controversial law targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) citizens. In a letter on March 29, founders and chief executives of more than a hundred companies, including Apple Inc, Twitter Inc, and Alphabet Inc urged North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory to repeal the legislation. PayPal is one of the first companies to protest the controversial measure requiring people to use bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that match the gender on their birth certificate rather than their gender identity. "The new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal's mission and culture," Chief Executive Officer Dan Schulman said in a statement. PayPal's original plan was to open the operations center in Charlotte and employ 400 skilled workers there.
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PayPal Pulls North Carolina Plan After Transgender Bathroom Law

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  • What's next? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:12PM (#51849541)

    Are they going question every one of their customers and make sure their values aligned with PayPal's and seize their funds if not?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:17PM (#51849571)

      Whenever I want to get a little private time with the opposite sex or get "in the voyeristic mood".... It causes me to identify with the opposite gender. In fact I find my gender swinging back and forth depending on my sexual desires. Could happen on an hourly basis.

      • Re: What's next? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:23PM (#51849609)

        That doesn't happen. Nobody does that.

        I work on a school campus that happens to have a gender-neutral restroom with about 12 stalls which can be utilized by both men AND women. Amazingly, nobody has been hurt and the sky has not fallen.

    • Why not? According to the newly-passed law, I can deny services to people who's religious beliefs do not agree with mine. It seems like the people of NC think that's okay...

    • Re:What's next? (Score:5, Informative)

      by russotto ( 537200 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:53PM (#51849829) Journal
      It's Paypal, they'll seize first and ask questions later (if at all)
  • LGB ? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by yet another SanTiago ( 257263 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:23PM (#51849611)

    area after the state passed a controversial law targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) citizens

    I see how the law is targeting transgender people, but how the law is targeting lesbian, gay or bisexual people?

    • Re:LGB ? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Sowelu ( 713889 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:30PM (#51849659)

      The summary and article leave out the fact that this law bans local jurisdictions from offering any LGBT protections beyond what the state does, which is "none". Cities had local laws saying, for example, you couldn't refuse to rent to a gay couple just because they were gay...those city laws are now struck from the books by state mandate.

      • Re:LGB ? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @01:43AM (#51851153)

        Your description isn't quite correct. What the law does is state the basis for protections of rights in employment and accommodations and make the law consistent across the state.

        PART III. PROTECTION OF RIGHTS IN EMPLOYMENT AND PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS [ncleg.net]
         

        SECTION 3.1. G.S. 143-422.2 reads as rewritten:

        " 143-422.2. Legislative declaration.

        (a) It is the public policy of this State to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of all persons to seek, obtain and hold employment without discrimination or abridgement on account of race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex or handicap by employers which regularly employ 15 or more employees.

        (b) It is recognized that the practice of denying employment opportunity and discriminating in the terms of employment foments domestic strife and unrest, deprives the State of the fullest utilization of its capacities for advancement and development, and substantially and adversely affects the interests of employees, employers, and the public in general.

        (c) The General Assembly declares that the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment is properly an issue of general, statewide concern, such that this Article and other applicable provisions of the General Statutes supersede and preempt any ordinance, regulation, resolution, or policy adopted or imposed by a unit of local government or other political subdivision of the State that regulates or imposes any requirement upon an employer pertaining to the regulation of discriminatory practices in employment, except such regulations applicable to personnel employed by that body that are not otherwise in conflict with State law."

        There is one other effect. Remember a week or two ago on Slashdot when the hot discussion was the FBI and Apple? The widely endorsed view was that the FBI and the court involved couldn't force Apple to modify its code to bypass the boobytrap it contained because of a Supreme Court precedent that said that code=speech and the general principle that government can't force people to engage in speech against their will. Most of the Slashdot audience was all about free speech then.

        With this law it is unlikely that bakers in North Carolina will be forced to engage in speech and creative expression against their will as they have been in some other states by homosexual activists wielding local laws as a club with threats of high fines and other adverse consequences. The funny thing is I seem to recall that lots of people on Slashdot were against free speech in that case and were all in favor of using the law to bash people until they complied against their will in preparing creative materials and speech for use in gay weddings.

        I guess freedom depends on how close you are to the 1%. Software engineers among the top 5-3% in income get free speech in the thinking of the Slashdot audience, but blue collar bakers don't. Free speech for me, but not for thee? I don't think that works out well in the long run.

        • With this law it is unlikely that bakers in North Carolina will be forced to engage in speech and creative expression against their will as they have been in some other states by homosexual activists wielding local laws as a club with threats of high fines and other adverse consequences. The funny thing is I seem to recall that lots of people on Slashdot were against free speech in that case and were all in favor of using the law to bash people until they complied against their will in preparing creative materials and speech for use in gay weddings.

          Refusing to write gay content is one thing, refusing to write content for gays is something else. Refusing to make a gay cake (now, I want to see a gay cake contest, that ought to be hilarious) is one thing, refusing to make a cake for gays is another. Etc.

  • by nimbius ( 983462 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:23PM (#51849613) Homepage
    for those who think this isnt an egregious concern for the state of North Carolina, they very much do have a lot to lose.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    The Research Triangle Park (RTP) is one of the largest research parks in the world, but its been largely a pearl in an otherwise very salty oyster. Its home to Cisco, Redhat, Microsoft, and NetApp among others. Governors and statesmen are wrecklessly gambling with this research park in the hopes that pandering to ten million North Carolinians with rhetoric from the culture war is a sustainable or responsible approach to governing their state.

    PayPal has made it very clear: there are 49 other states that will gladly accept our proposition to employ hundreds of high skilled knowledge workers. Your tax incentives are by no means exclusive to the state.
    • People need to remove the LGB from this discussion because there is nothing about Gay, Lesbian, or Bisexuals in the debate. Except that for positioning people conveniently lump those other groups into the lot. Here is your trigger warning, either go away or hold that rage for a minute. This is about people who dress like the opposite sex. The reasons for dressing like the opposite sex are varied, and can be perverse as well as due to any type of identity condition.

      So you are a parent, do you mind if the

      • That's total horseshit because if somebody is perving in the bathroom, that can happen in whichever bathroom you require that they use. The whole argument is self-mooting.

        You use fancy words like "blackmailing" and "social engineering" and "loonies," and you also engage in blatant lies like the idea that "99.9% of the population does not agree." Talk about "fantasy," geeze. And that's after making such a worthless argument; predators can be any gender, and can prey on any gender. If humans share restrooms,

      • by Ixokai ( 443555 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:45PM (#51850225)

        Actually, the transgender / bathroom issue is real, but its used largely as a smokescreen for the fact that this law is, in fact, a direct attack on the LGBT community as a whole.

        The law doesn't just mandate bathroom uses, but also removes the ability for any local government to pass any anti-discrimination legislation that is broader then the state definition (so much for small government). Specifically, laws against employment and housing discrimination of gay people.

        In most places in the country, you can be fired for being gay. You can be denied an apartment because you're a lesbian. Only a few states actually include sexual orientation in the protected classes, even though polls repeatedly show most people think they're already protected. They aren't. A few communities, usually urban ones, are (with support of business interests) trying to add local protections.

        And every time one of those communities does it in the south, suddenly the proponents of small and local government freak out and passes a state law taking away the local right to legislate the issue within their communities. NC is only the latest, and they did it using the bullshit 'protect the children from perverts' smokescreen argument around the Transgender bathroom issue.

        There has been basically zero cases of men dressing up as women to try to get into a bathroom to assault women or girls. Rapists are going to rape and this won't protect anyone. Its a non-issue. Its a complete lie, a complete fabrication because while more and more people have friends and family members who are gay and are more and more finding it impossible to justify discrimination against the LGB community, Transgendered people are still relatively rare and the idea gender dysphoria is hard to relate to, so they're made easy targets.

        But the laws that allow discrimination against them are -- every time -- broader then they're made out to be, and actually target the any community that might not be enshrined in the state law. Which is the entire LGBT community.

      • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:58PM (#51850305) Journal

        People need to wake up to the amount of social engineering being forced down their throat and take action against it

        Do you ever notice that people who are experiencing panic over transsexuals or gay people love to talk about having stuff forced down their throats?

        Seriously, I don't know what people like you do when you go to the bathroom, but transsexuals, gay people and even blacks pretty much just go to do their business, wash their hands, and then leave. They do not want to look at your shriveled dick.

    • The Research Triangle Park (RTP) is one of the largest research parks in the world, but its been largely a pearl in an otherwise very salty oyster. Its home to Cisco, Redhat, Microsoft, and NetApp among others.

      You are assuming that these companies will follow PayPal in leaving the state but that's not a sure thing.

      PayPal wasn't yet moved in, but for those who are already there If the cost of moving outweighs the cost of lost business / reputation then they'll stay right where they are.

      I don't trust corporate conscience when it puts 'shareholder value' at risk.

  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:45PM (#51849779)
    The comments they make when I release the death fog is fucking hilarious. I don't care how big your dick is, lady. My alien acid shits will drive you out of the men's room FOREVER!!!!
  • by MikeRT ( 947531 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:45PM (#51849781)

    Whose freedom is more important? The transgendered man who wants to use a woman's restroom or the women who don't want to share their restroom with a transgendered man? Who should prevail? You can't make one happy without making the others unhappy. This is the nature of politics. You have to decide and say "you get your way, and you, just deal with it."

    The governor of NC chose to side with 51% of his state over probably 0.001% of his state. Sure, there are women who would agree with sharing the restroom. The governor can't know how many. All he probably knows is that he's likely never met a woman in his state except a few activists that like the idea. Therefore he is doing precisely what we ordinarily value which is letting the majority rule.

    • by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:23PM (#51850061) Homepage

      The majority of the places I've worked don't even have segregated restrooms in the first place.

      People who want to go into the weeds on this issue might not like the natural solution that cuts through all the various bullshit. One restroom.

      Actually they'll love it once they get used to it, because it shifts the demand from segregation to simply having more private stalls. I don't care who is in the stall next to me, but I do prefer having a large urinal divider to just dangling it over a shared trough.

      Why is it that people with one view seem to claim that people with an opposing view are only "0.001%?" If that was true, this wouldn't even be an issue. And yet it is an issue. Did you possibly comprehend that: A) the transgender population in the US is at least 0.2% (lowest reasonable estimate) and B) a huge number of birth-gendered heterosexuals support the rights of transgendered people to use whichever restroom they're comfortable with.

      Why put fake numbers to your fantasy that transgendered people are unicorns, or that people who support their rights and dignity are unicorns?

      I'll bet the local equal rights laws that the State law overturned were supported by more than 0.001% of the respective City Councils. Somehow it seems likely they had over 50% support, even. Do those cities add up to only 0.002% of the State?

    • by Pfhorrest ( 545131 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:46PM (#51850231) Homepage Journal

      Why would a transgendered man want to use the women's restroom? That is the complete opposite of what they want, and that is what this new law is mandating, contrary to their wishes.

      Oh wait, I see, you just don't know how to use the phrase "transgendered man" correctly. Hint: a transgendered man is someone who was born female and now identifies as a man.

      Although to be fair, many women would probably be uncomfortable with such a person in the women's room, but not because they're transgendered; because they're a man. Which is why such a person should be free to use the men's room instead, where he will fit in, which this law prohibits.

  • paypal politics (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fche ( 36607 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:48PM (#51849809)

    Remember, this is the same company that excludes its users from commerce in legal but politically incorrect products & services.

    https://www.paypal.com/ca/weba... [paypal.com]

  • Solution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PPH ( 736903 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @08:53PM (#51849827)

    Unisex bathrooms.

    And make them with closed stalls. So nobody will know which way the feet are pointing when they take a leak.

  • Thank You (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:21PM (#51850049) Homepage

    When I started my transition in 1990, I would have never imagined such support and solidarity. Thank you Pay Pal.

  • Ah, Slashdot (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 0xdeadbeef ( 28836 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @09:47PM (#51850239) Homepage Journal

    Where aliens will be found, computers will be sentient, brains will be uploaded, and Linux will have a year on the desktop, all believed with the fervent faith of a religious nutter...

    but the idea that gender identity is an innate function of the brain, which may not always develop to the identity dictated by chromosomes or genitalia, is just too damn mind blowing for them to handle, despite oodles of scientific evidence.

  • by Howitzer86 ( 964585 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @11:48PM (#51850763)

    No one is talking about the baby changing station. Think about it. You're a guy. People already look at you funny if you're with your own child and the mother is elsewhere. Now you can't even use the baby changing station, because it's in the women's restroom.

    Or maybe you can, after all, people understand right? Baby needs a new diaper. It's obvious. So you take a chance. You go in, and a nice lady inside smiles at you because she finds the image of a young father with a baby adorable. And so you're in there, changing the babies diaper, you come out and...

    You're surrounded by cops, (or worse, Asset Protection.) Wait, what?

    Onlookers, confused, and trying to fill in the missing data, assume the worst. Because it would be asinine (but correct) to assume it has to do with your chromosomes, they make more reasonable assumptions like, "he stole a baby," and "he's a peeping tom."

    Welcome fathers, to the future! You're now officially a creep until proven otherwise.

  • by PapayaSF ( 721268 ) on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @12:41AM (#51850975) Journal
    PayPal seems to have no trouble doing business there. [paypal.com] What are Saudi Arabian bathroom policies like? How are LGBT rights doing there?

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