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Vandals Deface Facebook's Hamburg Offices (google.com) 116

Reuters reports that 15 to 20 vandals dressed in black this weekend defaced Facebook's Hamburg offices, spray-painting "Facebook dislike" on a wall, and causing some minor property damage. From the story: "A Facebook spokesman said nobody was injured in the incident. He said he could not immediately comment on the possible motive for the act of vandalism. The European head of Facebook is under investigation in Germany over the social network's alleged failure to remove racist hate speech. The investigation was announced last month as German politicians and celebrities voiced concern about the rise of anti-foreigner comments in German on Facebook and other social media as the country struggles to cope with a refugee influx. (The Guardian has a nearly identical story, but a better photo.)
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Vandals Deface Facebook's Hamburg Offices

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 14, 2015 @03:08AM (#51112533)

    A Facebook spokesman said nobody was injured in the incident.

    Any sane person sees where this kind of comment comes from. It's a unilateral attempt to escalate the severity of what actually happened. All they did was break some windows and throw some paint, let's not make this a case of "domestic terrorism" etc.

  • Freedom of Speech (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 14, 2015 @03:41AM (#51112605)

    >politicians and celebrities voiced concern about the rise of anti-foreigner comments in German on Facebook
    And why can't people voice their concerns over their governments giving away their tax money to middle class "refugees"?

    • by bentcd ( 690786 ) <bcd@pvv.org> on Monday December 14, 2015 @04:45AM (#51112769) Homepage

      And why can't people voice their concerns over their governments giving away their tax money to middle class "refugees"?

      This is Europe, and Europe doesn't have the sort of unrestricted free speech that the US does. All European "free speech" laws that I've seen (which is far from all of them, I will admit) are along the lines of "speech is free so long as it's not objectionable". And I'm guessing the speech in question has been found objectionable by the people who decide such things.

      Now, it's not sufficiently bad here that govt can get away with saying something like "we object to you criticizing us go to jail", but, if it can be rephrased as "hate speech go to jail" or "supporting terrorists go to jail" (or in Germany, "go to jail you nazi") then you're screwed.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        ... the speech in question has been found objectionable by the people who decide such things.

        Not emphasized enough.

      • When we speak, we don't invoke speech as "free/dom" unless the content is knowingly objectionable in the first place; because that's the entire point! For European nations to block objectionable speech and still call it "free/dom" is Newspeak.

        • by bentcd ( 690786 )

          You must realize that the language used in the US Constitution is very exceptional in international terms. It affirms a non-restricted freedom of speech in a way that cannot be misunderstood: the only real way to subvert it is if you can get away with completely changing the meaning of the words used in it. This is a very strong barrier to tyranny. Don't make the mistake of assuming that there are any other nations in the world that enjoy this same level of protection.

          The language used in European freedom o

          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            The first amendment of the US constitution only mentions "freedom of speech." It's just as ambiguous as anything else about what freedom of speech actually means. Even in the US, freedom of speech is restricted, in ways that are very similar to elsewhere, including Germany. The US supreme court has spend a good deal of time picking and choosing what speech is protected and what isn't.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      • by GroeFaZ ( 850443 )
        Unrestricted free speech in the US? SInce when? Seems worth checking out. Regressive govt's in Europe always get on my case when I tweet stuff like "going to shoot up work tomorrow", "going to teach these refugees a lesson - get your bomb dogs!", or something. The USA would never send a SWAT team to me for that. It's only speech, after all!
    • middle class "refugees"

      Knock if off with the scare quotes. The Syrians fleeing here may be middle class, they've also seen their country turn into a hellhole. Their being middle class was no defence against that. Wouldn't you flee in those circumstances?

  • Was this related to the investigation? A negative critique of social media and/or Facebook in general? Or a burning plea from users for a dislike feature?
  • by Anonymous Coward

    The whole point of Reuters is for others to copy and paste the stories.

  • They're always burning or smashing up something..........the next several years are going to be real entertaining.

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @04:14AM (#51112691) Journal

    Defacebook

  • Farcebook for being a shit in general, racist people, or a country with a bug up its oh-so-righteous ass about expressing negative opinions/outlooks? All of the above? Everybody in the world?

    So hard to decide.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Where are the racists? Being against the cultural suicide of one's country, being critical of the flood of economic migrants and the democratic leaders who're fine with letting them in unchecked, being against sharia-ruled enclaves enforced by gangs of muslim fundamentalists aren't racist, no matter how much you'll try to will it into existance.

    • Farcebook for being a shit in general, racist people, or a country with a bug up its oh-so-righteous ass about expressing negative opinions/outlooks? All of the above? Everybody in the world?

      Expressing negative opinions is all part of what makes democracy work - but there is a big difference between expressing opinions and being destructive. Vandalism, apart from harming somebody's property, is also a way to intimidate people, and intimidation has no place in any debate. At least not any debate that wants to achieve a fair and balanced compromise.

      That said, graffiti isn't always bad; and it's hardly ever dangerous. Personally, I like graffiti, at least when it is well made; there are some very

  • by Anonymous Coward

    an angry bunch.

  • "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters."

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Monday December 14, 2015 @08:24AM (#51113389) Journal
    There is hate. And there is hate speech. Banning it only drives it underground. Better to allow such haters to speak freely and openly so that we get an idea of how many such people there are. And we can develop ways to talk to them and try to convince the errors in their way. But we will not be able remove all hate and all haters. Some low level of hate has to be tolerated.

    Having said that, I wish Facebook would stand for free speech in all spheres. Not just racist speech. If some misguided group decides to offend some religion by depicting their deities in bad light, or even merely depicting their deity itself is considered offensive, Facebook should defend that too, to be consistent.

    • by mlts ( 1038732 )

      The Streisand Effect shows what happens when speech is banned. What happens is that it may now show up on the primary media outlets... but it doesn't take much to make a website, and if pressed, it isn't too difficult to create a .onion based website, locate the site offshore.

      What happens then, once the extreme speech can't be debunked by relatively sane people, it only will get worse, well past the talk radio stage.

      Instead of bans, I've wondered about a flagging system, where obvious hate speech, instead

  • So, they were hamburglars?

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