UK IP Chief Wants ISPs To Police Piracy Proactively 87
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The UK's top IP advisor has published recommendations on how Internet service providers should deal with online piracy. Among other things, he suggested that Internet services should search for and filter infringing content proactively. According to the report, ISPs have a moral obligation to do more against online piracy. Mike Weatherley, a Conservative MP and Intellectual Property Adviser to UK Prime Minister David Cameron, has pushed various copyright related topics onto the political agenda since early last year. Previously Weatherley suggested that search engines should blacklist pirate sites, kids should be educated on copyright ethics, and that persistent file-sharers should be thrown in jail.
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The UK's top IP advisor has published recommendations on how Internet service providers should deal with online piracy. Among other things, it's suggested that Internet services should search for and filter infringing content proactively. According to the report ISPs have a moral obligation to do more against online piracy.
uk-flagMike Weatherley, a Conservative MP and Intellectual Property Adviser to UK Prime Minister David Cameron, has pushed various copyright related topics onto the political agenda since
Seeing as UK police do little else (Score:3, Funny)
They need to do something. Local bobby on the beat? Gone. Investigate burglaries, assault, vandalism, all on camera - no chance. How about going after someone that said something naughty on twitter, yes, they'll do that. Terrorists out in the open, hate crimes from muslim groups, no fucking chance. They're so lazy today they don't even bother with speed camera behind bus stops.
Anyone visiting from another country would wonder whether the nation has a police force. They gobble up plenty of money, but what they do for it is anyone's guess.
Re:Seeing as UK police do little else (Score:5, Funny)
IP is worth approximate a jillion times more than the total value of all physical goods sold for the entire existence of humans on this planet, so yes, it should be the priority of every single human being on the planet to ensure every copy is paid for.
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Now, let's be fair here. Big Media need all the help I can get. I mean, how many movies we think of as blockbusters never actually make a profit?
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They need to do something. Local bobby on the beat? Gone. Investigate burglaries, assault, vandalism, all on camera - no chance. How about going after someone that said something naughty on twitter, yes, they'll do that. Terrorists out in the open, hate crimes from muslim groups, no fucking chance. They're so lazy today they don't even bother with speed camera behind bus stops.
Anyone visiting from another country would wonder whether the nation has a police force. They gobble up plenty of money, but what they do for it is anyone's guess.
It's so true. Basically reporting any crime that isn't worthy will get a default response of "we'll check the cameras and let you know", which is code for "fuck off, you annoying pleb".
There is an upside to the lack of police on the beat though, at least you're much less likely to be beaten to death by cops in the UK than in the US.
Moral obligation? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Moral obligation? (Score:5, Insightful)
ISPs have just as much moral obligation to filter pirate content as IP holders & lawmakers have moral obligation to make all IP go into the public domain within 5 years.
Re: Moral obligation? (Score:5, Insightful)
Britain is currently about to have a general election, at the start of May. We apologise for the loss of sanity and indeed coherence from our political classes; they are currently competing to see who can be the most entertainingly inventive liars.
Normal service will be resumed mid-May.
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Only 1 month? I'm impressed. I wish that kind of malarkey only lasted a month here. Election 'season' starts before half a term is over for our scumbags.
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You'll hear every successful U.S. politician say that they never stop campaigning. The only time that they stop campaigning is when they leave politics altogether (this includes lobbying), die or sometimes the last two years of a two-term president. It's why they almost never do their real job is because they spend their entire careers begging for money from lobbyists to get (re-)elected.
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Britain is currently about to have a general election, at the start of May. We apologise for the loss of sanity and indeed coherence from our political classes...
Put your mind at ease. We have never expected sanity or coherence from the political classes.
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It's a clever plan to drum up business for VPN providers. Between website blockades and spying they are really helping push up subscriber numbers.
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When I first looked at it I thought it said "UKIP Chief" and as wondering what Farage was rambling about now
My two cents (Score:2, Insightful)
American here.
I agree that ISPs should monitor our traffic and deal with it appropriately. I agree so much that I think we should extend the idea to traffic on real-life roads. Yes, we should have roads policing us. Not cops, but roads. If a road detects someone doing something criminal (we need to design the right of kind A.I.), we can program it to stick spikes up from itself to stop us.
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You should watch what you wish for, it is likely possible to use tech as cheap as bottom of the range smart phones to monitor traffic, detect violations, keep a video snippet, transfer it to some computer which posts the video online and mails you a letter detailing the fine and a link to the video+password. If it'd stop drivers from playing with their phones whilst driving I'd be for it.
And I want to punch this twit in the face. (Score:2, Interesting)
I mean... as long as "want" goes!
Piracy will not cease (Score:2)
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... until software stops being so expensive and TV shows stop being delayed and locked down by DRM. It's that simple. Let me buy a cheap subscription, let me convert it and stream it to any device I own... or bust.
That is a blatant lie. Take as evidence iOS jailbreakers who do it so they can download $0.99 apps for free. There are plenty of people who are never going to pay anything if they can get away with it. I don't care what you do, but don't tell us that nonsense about stuff being too expensive.
If you think for example that a computer game is too expensive and you pirate it, surely you should put the amount that you think is correct in an envelope and send it to the producer of the game? How many people are
Re:Piracy will not cease (Score:4, Informative)
That is a particularly badly thought out response. Of course there will always be people who are prepared to pirate in order to avoid spending $.99, but these people would not have spent the money in the first place, so they are of no consequence. What matters is the people who would pay regularly and substantially but who are so inconvenienced by DRM or who perceive that so much of what they are paying is going straight into the pockets of middlemen that they choose to pirate instead.
There are lots of pieces of software which are effectively donationware, and if a developer gives an easy method of donating and acknowledges those donations then I will be happy to send a few dollars - indeed, where a developer provides both a Google Play store version and a downloadable APK, I choose to download the latter and then send money e.g. by PayPal to them, because I'll be fucked if I'm going to accept someone taking a 30% cut for payment processing and adding to an automated catalogue. Just because your thought processes are based on regulations rather than values, it doesn't mean that most people choose to offload responsibility like that.
Re:Piracy will not cease (Score:4, Insightful)
OK, where IS that evidence?
Go on, all you did was tell us to look at it, you never supplied.
Why not look at the greatest "pirates" were the biggest buyers, or how when the biggest filesharing network was canned, the increase in revenue by the music industry fell into a decline within six months.
How about we look at that evidence?
Not to mention the evidence that the "IP industry" have already broken the contract, so I feel no obligation to feel the slightest twinge of guilt at their "loss" even if it killed the entire set of intellectual property and dropped millions into poverty.
Re: Piracy will not cease (Score:2)
I don't pirate Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Why? Because it's available via an affordable subscription to watch whenever I want. Go Netflix!
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Or the person that pirates a new release movie and ends up loving it so much from watching it at home they end up going to see it multiple times in the theater.
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Well sure. On the other hand, look at iTunes. Before iTunes Napster et all were wildly popular. Then Apple starts offering downloads at $0.99 a track and suddenly they're making a ton of money and the music filesharing sites seemed to lose all traction. Lowering the price may not have solved the problem, but it greatly reduced it
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Ever buy a game that didn't live up to it's hype or the hype of reviews? Ever feel robbed by a game company?
Ever been to a film you walked out in the middle of? Ever feel robbed?
Pricing is one point of piracy, a customer feeling disenfranchised for having been taken before is another, a small portion of those that pirate could fall into the spectrum of those that will/would never pay for any
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Due to a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value (and in acknowledgement of the escalating costs of executive bonuses, cocaine, and hookers) to maximize out synergies and leverage existing payment schemes the board has elected to treat virtual goods as costing the same as physical goods.
The c
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Sometimes I purchase more than my share. I recently gave 3 Steam friends a copy of a game on Steam the game is $30 per copy. I enjoy the title, I think it's a fresh take on a game idea and unlike most of what's out there. They accomplished a lot with a little. So I in essence have shown my support by purchasing 4 copies of the title. If that's not supporting a developer I don'
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Yes, lots of people aren't going to pay for anything. We shouldn't worry about them, as they were never going to be customers. The important question is not how many people will get illicit copies but how many people will actually pay.
This turns out to be more complicated than people might think. Some people will buy if they can't copy. Some people will buy only if they can get a free look. Some people will buy only if the DRM isn't too inconvenient. Some people will buy only if they can get a copy
Copyright ethics, he says? (Score:5, Informative)
To learn about copyright ethics -- that is, how unethical the very concept is -- be sure to read Boldrin & Levine's Against Intellectual Monopoly [ucla.edu] and Lessig's Free Culture. [free-culture.cc]
Educate kids on the ethice. (Score:5, Insightful)
Damn right they should educate kids on the ethics!
You know about how copyright was about enhancing the greater good by restricting the free flow of ideas temporarily to improve the pool of ideas and how the current insane terms break this contract.
So he doesn't actually mean that, (surprise! he's a liar!) what he actually means is educate kids with corporate propaganda.
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He's a Conservative. There's probably some angle in there, where either him or his friends stand to benefit.
Well that's totally unlike Labour who generally have some angle where they or their friends benefit.
Hopefully we're moving to a more multi-party parliament this time.
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Whilst I am no fan of the Tory Party or their policies in general, a quick look at his Wiki page suggests he's not the cartoon villain you might suggest. He is also not standing for election in the forthcoming General Election, presumably on health grounds.
Providers (Score:1)
127.0.0.1 (Score:1)
Do not route yourself to the internet, Mr IP Man.
MediaDefender (Score:4, Interesting)
Yep I fully agree. I hope they start knocking off all sorts of legitimate media as a result because how the hell are they supposed to identify is any specific website hosting content actually owns that IP? What with thousands of publishers owning the IP rights to billions of pieces of media who knows if Sony has the right to distribute a video they are showing on their own website? Heck streaming a football match on ESPN isn't even certain. Maybe there's a dispute in the background and they don't own the IP there either.
I saw we block everything, starting with all the media companies. Man that would make the internet far more pleasant.
I completely agree (Score:5, Insightful)
Also:
The word will be a safer place if everyone checked that their customers were innocent!
What a tard (Score:2)
If UK ISPs are asked to police... (Score:1)
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... will they be given guns, or batons at least?
Of course they will. They'd also get spare military equipment (if there was any). These file sharers are hard core crims don'tchaknow.
civil vs criminal (Score:5, Informative)
The police should be interested in criminal offences, not civil matters. Copyright is complicated because (in the UK at least) infringement can be both, but the two aspects get conflated. The criminal offences (broadly) are to do with dealing in infringing items for profit, and it's reasonable that the police pursue people committing such offences.
The issue of whether these things *should* be offences is a separate matter. What we don't want is the police deciding which offences they're going to try to enforce. If society doesn't want criminal copyright infringement then that should be for legislators to decide, not law enforcement.
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he wants, or his owners want? (Score:2)
Rules are differrent there than in the US, but I doubt that there's no money channel to himself, his party, or someone about whom he cares enough to sell out Her Majesty's subjects in favor of the money.
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His owners are the same ones that own all of UK politics: The US.
People here in the UK are supporting the likes of UKIP because they'll keep those pesky Europeans at bay - the thing is, Europe is like a pussy cat compared to the behind-the-scenes back-channel under-the-counter pressure that comes from the US.
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Any real crack down will result... (Score:2)
... in a political backlash.
so most of these statements are just noise.
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Really? (Score:2)
I'll torrent via the UK link of my VPN to give them some work to do.
Words to live by (Score:2)
The UK's top IP advisor has published recommendations on how Internet service providers should deal with online piracy. Among other things, he suggested that Internet services should search for and filter infringing content proactively.
Now, does the top IP advisor who hasn't been bought and paid for by the media industry/conglomerates have anything to add? ......*crickets chirping*.....
Yeah, didn't think so.
And by strange coincidence, politician paid by (Score:3)
By strange coincidence, a politician who wants ISPs to pay for the job the film and music industry should do if they want, is paid by: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/... [theyworkforyou.com]
Name of donor: Motion Picture Licensing Co Ltd
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Name of donor: CASBAA (Cable and Satellite Broadcasting Association of Asia)
media companies and ethics (Score:1)
April Fools (Score:2)
I wonder (Score:2)
Obviously the government provided that road, they should also be responsible for stopping accidents proactively.
Drop Your Customers (Score:2)
April Fools!!! =^) (Score:1)
Oh gosh, it sure took me a while to get it, but I finally did! This one is a doozey!
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