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Taxi Companies Sue Uber For False Advertising On Safety 82

jfruh writes "A group of California taxi operators are suing Uber, claiming the ridehailing service is guilty of false advertising when it comes to rider safety. The taxi companies claim that Uber doesn't use a Live Scan fingerprint ID for drivers like they do, and that the $1 "safe rides" fee on every fare doesn't specifically go towards boosting safety. From the article: "The suit comes in the wake of problems Uber is facing in some countries. On Wednesday, the Frankfurt Regional Court issued a nationwide ban against the company’s UberPop service after declaring its business model illegal. Using a smartphone app to connect passengers with private drivers that use their own cars and don’t have the required licenses is illegal, the court observed."
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Taxi Companies Sue Uber For False Advertising On Safety

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:21PM (#49296043)

    Uber is tracking where both drivers and passengers are, and the fact that a passenger has booked with a particular driver...

    If I hail a cab, no-one knows where I am or who I am with.

    It's not like cab drivers have never harmed anyone. It's also not like others have not harmed cab drivers. The fact that with Uber both sides have been to some degree vetted makes the whole transaction inherently safer, both for riders and drivers.

    • by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:53PM (#49296375)

      If I hail a cab, no-one knows where I am or who I am with.

      It's not like cab drivers have never harmed anyone.

      How American of you. I can tell you that in some countries, standing on the street corner and hailing a cab is just plain STUPID. You ALWAYS call or use a designated dispatcher. You may feel safe just finding a cab on the street here in the USA, but be careful when you leave here.

      Uber/Lyft are perhaps a bit safer concerning the people involved, but there ARE risks. Drivers are NOT trained or licensed, equipment is NOT inspected and you don't know if that driver that picks you up isn't some serial killer looking for the next victim, just drank a 5th, or just is out looking for a few bucks. You don't know if you will be lost for the next hour or if the driver has slept in the last 24 hours. Not that Taxi services have the best equipment or hire the cleanest drivers, but they do at least care enough to meet the regulations and keep things reasonably safe and orderly.

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      • Drivers are NOT trained or licensed, equipment is NOT inspected and you don't know if that driver that picks you up isn't some serial killer looking for the next victim, just drank a 5th, or just is out looking for a few bucks.

        1. Hopefully they're licensed. They might not have a commercial license, but they have a driver's license that allows them to drive the route they're taking you without you being in the car, or if you're 'just a friend', etc... What extra training do you think they need to drive you there for money, and if it increases safety why don't we require it of the non-commercial drivers as well?
        2. Serial killer - Cab background checks aren't going to catch a serial killer, and there have been serial killers who

        • 5. Equipment inspected. I'm not sure what role this is supposed to solve, at least in the USA and with a 'clean looking' vehicle.

          It's a lie anyway, anyone who's been in a cab knows that cabs are regularly in shit mechanical condition. Clunks, rattles, I've definitely been in cabs that felt like they were about to disintegrate. I seriously wondered from noises if vehicles would make the trip several times.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        In Europe, hailing a cab is easy, and at least as safe as the US (at least for the western part).

        Uber/Lyft are perhaps a bit safer concerning the people involved, but there ARE risks. Drivers are NOT trained or licensed, equipment is NOT inspected and you don't know if that driver that picks you up isn't some serial killer looking for the next victim, just drank a 5th, or just is out looking for a few bucks.

        You don't know any of that with the licensed taxis either. You are asserting that a barrier to entry will drive off the bad ones. Yes, I've seen that asserted many times, but I've never seen protectionism of a industry be a good thing for the users. With the apps, you get reviews and ratings. When you call in for a taxi pickup, you have *fewer* protections.

      • How American of you. I can tell you that in some countries, standing on the street corner and hailing a cab is just plain STUPID. You ALWAYS call or use a designated dispatcher.

        I've travelled to scores of countries. In every one, at the airport (or shipping port or even many hotels), getting a cab I was using a "dispatcher" (called the person monitoring the head of the taxi queue).

        Not once in any country have I ever been asked who I was, and often not even asked where I was going (the cab driver asks that)

      • You say Uber " Drivers are NOT trained or licensed"

        I'm not 100%, but I suspect "legitimate" taxi drivers don't have any special training either. If they do, what would it even entail? Providing customer service?

        Also, you say with Uber "you don't know if that driver that picks you up isn't some serial killer looking for the next victim, just drank a 5th, or just is out looking for a few bucks"

        Not to berate the average cab driver or service, but I just don't believe they are the cream of the crop of society.

        • Where I live, if you get paid to drive over public roads, it requires a commercial driver's license. CDL's require you to pass additional testing and medical evaluations which are not required for your average private driver. Taxi services also must be licensed and are regulated by both the state and federal laws.

          My understanding of Uber and Lyft are that they allow private citizens to arrange for ride "sharing" with other private individuals. Where nothing prevents such drivers from being properly lice

      • by orient ( 535927 )
        In Europe, many taxi companies have mobile [google.com] apps [apple.com] that allow customers to call a cab. The apps show available cabs and allow the user to select features (e.g. smoking/non-smoking), check the cost etc. Uber-taxi, I might say.
        • I don't see why Taxi companies don't arrange with Uber and Lyft to do their dispatching anyway. The Taxi company could then dump the bulk of their office staff needed to answer the phone and dispatch cabs, then arrange with the online service for a volume discount...

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Uber is tracking where both drivers and passengers are, and the fact that a passenger has booked with a particular driver...

      And you think that is a good thing.

      But if that driver decides to stop and assault you, tracking them will do nothing as it's still a he-said/she-said case in court.

      OTOH, taxis in my city are fitted with CCTV cameras inside and out. In the unlikely event the footage is unavailable (the companies have never hesitated to turn it over because it gets them off the liabilty hook) it

      • by tmosley ( 996283 )
        "But if that driver decides to stop and assault you, tracking them will do nothing as it's still a he-said/she-said case in court."

        No it isn't, you big fat idiot. The trip record will show an anomalously long stop/side trip, and your vagina will be full of evidence of one sort or the other. No jury is going to believe that some woman just asked her Uber driver to pull over so they could have rough sex.
    • Uber has countless problems and is in lots of legal difficulties. And yet the fans STILL defend it.

      • It has way fewer problems than traditional cabs. We defend Uber because we are tired of decades of horrific cab driving experiences...

        As for the "legal troubles" note those are all from cab unions protecting a sweet, sweet racket. They can hear the music playing but they plan to squeeze the riding public for every last cent before the music stops and they have to compete on service.

        • we are tired of decades of horrific cab driving experiences

          Those of us with decades of no horrific cab driving experiences fail to see the problem that Uber is allegedly solving.

          • How about never dealing with cash, never calculating tip, never even discussing payment, receipts sent to your email, and never having to wait more than five minutes for a ride.

      • Aside from experiences, there's also the price. In some countries (Denmark) regular cab fare is pretty expensive and Uber and similar is far cheaper. Until recently it was a requirement that expensive high end cars (usually Mercedes) were used as cabs, and now more regular cars are often used, but the fares are centrally controlled and they have not come down.

    • maybe for you, personally I nearly always book my taxi through a dispatcher or online use a PC or a mobile app. tracking is the same, but on top of that I get insurance coverage and a reasonable certainty that the driver is actually licensed and his vehicle is regularly inspected (pretty important in an accident).

  • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:28PM (#49296113) Homepage

    Or it would have beeen if my bloody Uber driver knew where he was going.

  • by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @05:38PM (#49296227) Homepage Journal

    Seven Year Old San Francisco Girl Struck and Killed By Uber Driver; Uber Denies Responsibility http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/... [sfgate.com]

    Boston Uber Driver Charged with indecent Assault and Battery http://www.bostonglobe.com/met... [bostonglobe.com]

    Off-Duty LA Uber Driver Accused of Sexual Assault http://www.bizjournals.com/los... [bizjournals.com]

    Chicago Uber Driver With Felony Conviction Charged With Battery For Allegedly Hitting Passenger http://www.forbes.com/sites/el... [forbes.com]

    Writer and Activist Reports Being Choked in DC; Uber Denies The Event and Responsibility http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub... [gawker.com]

    DC Uber Driver Allegedly Assaults Customer for Burping http://www.washingtoncitypaper... [washingtoncitypaper.com]

    San Francisco Uber Customer Claims Abuse and Assault by Uber Driver (Pando) http://pando.com/2013/11/25/ub... [pando.com]

    Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el... [forbes.com]

    Uber Driver Pulls Gun on Valet in Atlanta http://pando.com/2014/09/08/at... [pando.com]

    Uber Driver Punches Passenger in Oklahoma http://newsok.com/oklahoma-cit... [newsok.com]

    Lyft Driver Attacks Pedestrian in San Francisco http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news... [nbcbayarea.com]

    Lyft Driver Brandishes Knife in Los Angeles http://www.laweekly.com/2013-0... [laweekly.com]

    Uber Customer Sues for $2M over Alleged Driver Stabbing in DC http://dcinno.streetwise.co/20... [streetwise.co]

    DC Uber Driver Allegedly Rapes Customer http://betabeat.com/2013/03/ub... [betabeat.com]

    Uber Driver Charged with Fondling Passenger in Chicago http://valleywag.gawker.com/ub... [gawker.com]

    DC Uber Driver Arrested for Alleged Rape But Not Charged Despite Strong Evidence http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]

    Another DC Uber Driver Accused of Molesting Uber Rider http://valleywag.gawker.com/an... [gawker.com]

    Passenger Struck In Head With Hammer by UberX Driver http://www.forbes.com/sites/el... [forbes.com]

    Uber Driver in India Accused of Rape http://www.bbc.c [bbc.com]

    • Googe "Cab driver rapes" and "Cab driver killed" to see how safe cabs are.

      Anything you can dig up on Uber, cabs have been having the same problem lots longer and mostly unreported since there is no tracking.

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        by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 )
        ONLY MORESO???? Dude, not saying it does not happen with conventional cab drivers but claiming assaults and rapes happen more frequently with legit drivers isn't just disengienious, it's a blatant fucking lie.

        Just look at Google: https://www.google.com/webhp?s... [google.com] Uber comes up the search over and over and over again. And considering how many legit cab drivers there are vs how many Uber drivers there are -- it's pretty fucked up that a fledgeling service shows up so frequently in global results. Granted,

    • Do a similar search about taxis and I guarantee you that there are an equal, if not more, number of cases where taxi drivers do the same or worse. You're just picking and choosing what to post.

      I've had a cab driver state to my wife that in his country, they cut off women's tits for "talking back." I've had another cabbie pull a gun on a coworker who, though intoxicated, was no violent in any way at all and certainly didn't deserve that treatment. Hate on Uber all you want, but it exists because taxis hav

  • Live Scan is just running a fingerprint to look for a match in a criminal justice system. It's a part of running a background check. I fail to see what that has to do with safety.

    For fuck's sake, why not just advertise that you run an MVR on a taxi driver's CDL?

  • by StripedCow ( 776465 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:25PM (#49296729)

    No worries people, because drivers will soon become obsolete anyway...

    • Not for as long as the taxi industry can bribe the government to keep protecting their niche for them.

    • I wouldn't be so sure. We should have had driverless trains for years now, for instance. Unfortunately unions keep blocking it [rmt.org.uk]. (We're reaching the point now where every time they go on strike about driverless trains they bring their own obsolescence closer because guess what... computers won't go on strike!)
  • by viperidaenz ( 2515578 ) on Thursday March 19, 2015 @06:26PM (#49296739)

    $1.6B for paying lawyers.

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