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Facebook Will Soon Be Able To ID You In Any Photo 153

sciencehabit writes Appear in a photo taken at a protest march, a gay bar, or an abortion clinic, and your friends might recognize you. But a machine probably won't — at least for now. Unless a computer has been tasked to look for you, has trained on dozens of photos of your face, and has high-quality images to examine, your anonymity is safe. Nor is it yet possible for a computer to scour the Internet and find you in random, uncaptioned photos. But within the walled garden of Facebook, which contains by far the largest collection of personal photographs in the world, the technology for doing all that is beginning to blossom.
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Facebook Will Soon Be Able To ID You In Any Photo

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    You uploaded all the photos and did all the tagging they needed for this yourself, didn't you?

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:39AM (#49004287)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • Not on Facebook, but on Google+ one of the first things I did was to disallow tagging of me in photos. It's just a really really stupid thing to tag yourself or someone else in a photo, or from my view anyway (it's been too long that I can't put myself into the mindset of a kid).

      • If I could burn down every data center facebook owned I'd do it in a second, no hesitation.

        Hm, I wouldn't. I'd auction off the hardware, then I would invest half of the proceeds in low risk mutual funds and then take the other half over to my friend Asadulah who works in securities...

      • if you don't have an account people can't tag you

        • correction you can't UN TAG yourself if you don't have an account.

          the problem is facebook has a great number of "phantom" accounts for folks that do not have an actual account.

          If your friends/coworkers/enemies ect tag your face (or anything else) with your name FB records this and if you someday do sign up for an account you will by way of your friends and such be linked to the data in your "phantom account".

          so lets say Krystal Rainbyrd does not have an account but a Jade Morningstar does. Jade does a pict

      • by Anonymous Coward

        No, I didn't.

        Other people have been uploading and tagging me whether I like it or not, despite my not having an account.

        So fuck you it's not been my decision, but I'll be copping the consequences. If I could burn down every data center facebook owned I'd do it in a second, no hesitation.

        It may be more practical to lynch anyone holding a mobile phone in the air with the deliberate intention of photographing you for said sites.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Need to start mass tagging random people. If we can't prevent them getting the signal can we add noise?

    • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:52AM (#49004311)
      No problem. You see that nice girl in the street, take pic and immediately FB gives you her address and phone number. Cool. The next day you step on the foot of this unsympathetic guy in the train. He takes a pic of you and during the week-end your house is burned to the ground. Everybody knows everyone, that's great!
      • So you have a woman's name and phone number. Good for you. I have a large book full of them. It still gets dropped on my porch now and then.

        So some guy has your address. Good for him. He could have just as easily followed you home, and there's a very good chance that you never would have noticed.

        Now, both of you have a choice to make. What will you do with that information? Will you get on with your life peacefully, as a law-abiding member of society, or will you jump the line over to being a criminal stalk

  • by eexaa ( 1252378 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:55AM (#49004183) Homepage

    Postgrad students at our faculty were developing face-recognition stuff that can easily and percisely tag almost all photos we were able to stuff in it. In microseconds. I guess it would be really weird if facebook didn't have this technology available long time ago (it isn't really that hard either).

    • Were these rather generous photographs or partially obscured faces wearing hats in a crowd? Was the database of potential people in the billions? Identifying the subject of a selfie at your university might not be the most difficult task, but identifying everyone in an arbitrary crowd [google.com.au] is going to be a lot more involved. The process could probably benefit from being able to map relationships to narrow partial matches down, hence Facebook.

      • Also very hard if there is not a set of reference photographs.

        • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

          passport/DVLA database is replete with reference photographs.

          • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

            All shot from almost exactly the same angle, which makes them a terrible source of reference data. To do facial recognition well, you need multiple shots of each person, taken from multiple angles... like Facebook already has.

        • Also very hard if there is not a set of reference photographs.

          Fortunately your friends, relative, and coworkers are willing to help out with that. Each photo uploaded to Facebook with your face tagged in it is a reference photo. Setting your privacy settings to not display those tags doesn't mean the data point wasn't saved.

      • by rmstar ( 114746 )

        Were these rather generous photographs or partially obscured faces wearing hats in a crowd? Was the database of potential people in the billions? Identifying the subject of a selfie at your university might not be the most difficult task, but identifying everyone in an arbitrary crowd is going to be a lot more involved.

        Even if identifying someone from a bad photo is nearly impossible, if you have enough bad photos and enough additional information, the task can become a lot easier. For example,

        - if

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      1+ for easily and percisely tag almost all photos we were able to stuff in it. In microseconds.
      This tech is old for the 2d face work. Its fast for local police Privacy concerns? UK police test 'faster-than-ever' facial recognition software http://rt.com/uk/173292-facial... [rt.com] (July 16, 2014)
      Or just read the public info on records per second in the 10,000 records/sec http://www.nec.com/en/global/r... [nec.com]
      • by ihtoit ( 3393327 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @05:19AM (#49004481)

        I've got facial recognition software running on my netbook. It really is not that difficult to get hold of some very sophisticated shit. It even has the capability of reducing any face to a photofit string.

        If you're thinking "Bullshit!", let me throw some titles past you that a: I use for facial recognition features and b: I consider worth mentioning because they actually work (for some metric of "work" which for me is "enough to differentiate between 60 million individuals").

        Windows Live Photo Gallery
        Google Picasa
        DigiKam
        Adobe Photoshop Elements
        Sony Picture Motion Browser
        AmCap
        IrfanView
        OpenCV
        EvoFIT
        E-FIT
        Faces LE (Law Enforcement edition)

        (those last three are compositors, I do use them to reduce found faces to photofit strings - they're much easier to index that way).

        • by eexaa ( 1252378 )

          Whoa, good list. There are also very good methods to recognize people by non-facial features (especially the ears are something that computers can "fingerprint" very easily and reliably), but I haven't seen that in any software package yet.

        • I've got facial recognition software running on my netbook.

          Everybody does.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    And I don't believe the article either. At least not for practical purposes. Show me the numbers for misses and false positives please.

    • by siddesu ( 698447 )
      Even if you don't use it, they probably have your shadow account, managed by the very same kind of machine learning algorithms that automatically tag your pictures, even when you choose 'do not tag'. http://www.digitaltrends.com/s... [digitaltrends.com]
    • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

      EvoFIT, pretty much the best photofit software there is, has a 70% naming rate (automatic and correct naming of individuals based on a reference set of file photos such as passport database), it's one of the systems the Metropolitan Police use purely for the fact that it can run a photofit against a reference set.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    With two Facebook accounts (the real and my secret life). Will anyone now be able to identify me and do things like blackmail or slander me?

    Sometimes Zuckerberg doesn't understand the boundary between "being able to do something" and "whether you should do it." I wonder if he will be pleased if I stood outside his house and recorded his activities and followed him everywhere to post his whereabouts online? What if I went through his bin and post pictures of that?

  • by Alaska Jack ( 679307 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:29AM (#49004257) Journal

    I'd like to be able to ask Facebook:

    "Out of all the hundreds of millions of Facebook users, which ones look the most like me?"

    Wouldn't that be cool?

    • "Out of all the hundreds of millions of Facebook users, which ones look the most like me?"

      There is already a third party app on Facebook that does that.

      It only works on the most contrived examples thought, where the lighting is the same and everything is aligned the same way.

    • by gijoel ( 628142 )
      Facebook, Facebook, what's on my Wall. Who's the fairest of them all?
    • by pz ( 113803 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @09:14AM (#49004977) Journal

      I'd like to be able to ask Facebook:

      "Out of all the hundreds of millions of Facebook users, which ones look the most like me?"

      I'd rather ask, out of all those people which ones look like Mark Zuckerberg enough to pass for him at the corporate headquarters? Just to make a point.

    • Actually FB already tags one of my friends as her identical twin...

  • soon? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sahuxley ( 2617397 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:29AM (#49004261)
    So, that mean the NSA has been able to do this for a decade or so?
    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      So that's the reason why London and by extension the UK, has a CCTV camera at every major intersection...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Not only have they been doing this for decades, part of the leaks reveal they've been intercepting messaging systems to get the photos. It's a program called Optic Nerve (started in 2008):

      "One document even likened the program's "bulk access to Yahoo webcam images/events" to a massive digital police mugbook of previously arrested individuals."

      "Face detection has the potential to aid selection of useful images for 'mugshots' or even for face recognition by assessing the angle of the face," it reads. "The bes

    • by Threni ( 635302 )

      No, because NSA didn't have all the photos. Perhaps some which match those in official documents, in a good light, at some angles, but even they're not going to be able to compete with the billions of photos of people on facebook. Also, their "match or no match" is not as useful as "this person is known to these people"; there's a whole network of people they can hit up/monitor to find where someone is.

  • It can't even find me in my own photos.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    You should NEVER post pictures of your face on the internet, not even "just for" restricted groups of friends. Because someone is ALWAYS there selling you out. Social, dating, employment... all these types of sites. NEVER POST YOUR FACE. There is absolutely no good reason to post your face on the internet. Social... your friends and family already know what you look like. Dating... if people are shopping for looks you will not find love. Employment... that's illegal.
    Too bad you SUCKERS bought the privacy po

    • by ardor ( 673957 )

      Won't help you much if somebody else makes a photo with you in it and tags you, will it?

  • by ihtoit ( 3393327 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @05:01AM (#49004465)

    but Google have also recently taken to autotagging faces in photos you upload to G+.

    Incidentally, a 2013 report from the ITC says that you are 6 times more likely to have your bank account emptied by an identity thief via data taken from Facebook than you are to be the victim of a house burglary. http://blog.identitytheftcounc... [identitytheftcouncil.org]

    I hate it when I'm right. AGAIN.

  • Facebook already had ass recognition up and running. Whenever I try to post this picture, http://i.imgur.com/4FcyrcO.jpg [imgur.com] , Facebook will remove it automatically and instantly.
    • Facebook already had ass recognition up and running.

      I have to retract that claim. I converted the image to .png and it uploaded fine. Turns out Facebook already has their advanced file name recognition technology up and running instead.

  • Could it be that this is indicating society has to evolve, allowing more freedom of personal expression rather than trying to keep the old ways?
  • "Shelly Sxxxxxx was tagged in Lisa xxxxxx Xxx's photos." came across that a few days ago.

    Shelly is one of few people in my friends list, she and her sons were part of the same COD4 clan as I was.

    Yes, I had to join facebook to become involved with my family, took 182 edits to my HOSTS file just to get in.

  • Even worst, most photos are done with smartphones, whose default settings ( which most people do not touch) tag the photos with time and location.

    Imagine some over ambitious prosecutor ( are there any other kind?) going on a fishing expedition using these photos.

  • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @08:22AM (#49004849) Homepage
    Facebook consists of the single largest privacy invasion ever invented. And they offer nothing that is not free elsewhere on the Internet, if not linked up under one password.

    If the government asked people to do what Facebook asks, there'd be another revolution. But offer them minor services that they could do themselves and they willingly throw away everything Thomas Jefferson fought so hard to give them.

  • lead in the first graf of this post: "a protest march, a gay bar, or an abortion clinic" like those are automagically bad things?
    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      Not universally or objectively bad, but they are examples of things that a certain number of people might want discretion about. Other people would have different things that they would feel that way about but the underlying anonymity concerns would be the same.

      But of course you already knew that.

    • I think it's more like, "Might be problematic if you're planning to visit or, even better, *return home* to some country whose authorities regard these as acts worthy of a thousand lashes, afterwards".

  • by Gonoff ( 88518 ) on Saturday February 07, 2015 @10:39AM (#49005255)

    A while back, I read an article about this. Someone suggested "database poisoning".
    It sounds illegal but I am not so sure. All that everyone needs to do is to tag other people as you and vice versa. If enough people did that, it would mess up such a system.

    • When I still had my FB account, I did something similar. I began uploading random images of different people, mythological creatures and inanimate objects and tagging myself in them.
  • I resolved many years ago that I would never be myself on the net. Several years ago I added to that never to post pictures of my face to the net. I guess the next step is to never go out in public without my randomly-generated mask.
  • Wally [theregister.co.uk]?

  • by koan ( 80826 )

    Nor is it yet possible for a computer to scour the Internet and find you in random, uncaptioned photos.

    Actually that is possible, and why are you people still using Facebook?

  • This isn't new news and it shouldn't be on Slashdot. The title of "Facebook Will Soon Be Able To ID You In Any Photo" is clickbait, and "soon" was years ago. The article on "Sciencemag.org" is just a summary of a research paper by Facebook titled Deepface which was published in early 2014. https://research.facebook.com/... [facebook.com] Additionally, this summary-story has already been on Slashdot in March of 2014, http://tech.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org] . I've done a lot of artwork and research involving facial recognition,

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