Shooting At Canadian Parliament 529
CBC reports that a man pulled up to the War Memorial in downtown Ottawa, got out of his car, and shot a soldier with a rifle. The Memorial is right next to the Canadian Parliament buildings. A shooter (reportedly the same one, but unconfirmed) also approached Parliament and got inside before he was shot and killed. "Scott Walsh, who was working on Parliament Hill, said ... the man hopped over the stone fence that surrounds Parliament Hill, with his gun forcing someone out of their car. He then drove to the front doors of Parliament and fired at least two shots, Walsh said." Canadian government officials were quickly evacuated from the building, while the search continues for further suspects. This comes a day after Canada raised its domestic terrorism threat level. Most details of the situation are still unconfirmed -- CBC has live video coverage here. They have confirmed that there was a second shooting at the Rideau Center, a shopping mall nearby.
Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Dont let your idiots in parliment go all panic mode like the Raving Morons we have running this place in Washington DC.
This was a rare incident by a insane person, nothing more. Put more money into public mental health.
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree with not going into "panic mode", but we don't know who did this yet. It might be a person who could have been dealt with by improved public mental health, or it may have been a foreign actor engaging in terrorism against the Canadian state.
We can't call what it is until we have facts. And we have precious few right now. Which is all the more reason not to panic.
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Yes he did. Most of what he said is very quotable in the Anals of stupidly funny crap said by leaders.
Specifically in this case the timeline is as follows:
- Australia joins the US lead attack on IS.
- ASIO steps up the local terror alert.
- IS publishes a video saying Australia will pay for what they are doing.
- Tony Abbott said straight from the G.W.B book of stupid crap: The IS threat has nothing to do with Australia's announcement, "They hate our freedom, our tolerance, our democracy."
- The government runs
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Funny)
... or it may have been a foreign actor engaging in terrorism against the Canadian state.
What kind of loser terrorist attacks Canada?
Seriously, was the puppy room at the Petsmart too heavily guarded or something?
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't really matter who did it. We still don't want to over react. Whether it is the actions of a terrorist, a serial killer or an insane person do not change the fact that we should not over react. The response should differ, somewhat, but all of those responses should already be in place. Nothing new.
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No one has been able to confirm that yet.
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Days after another Islamic radical mowed down two Canadian soldiers.
It's not time to panic, to be sure. It's time to deal with radical Islamist extremists.
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How? Declare Islam a thought-crime?
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I bet the reaction of the "Muslim Community" will be to wring their hands about how they're now going to be subject to discrimination. I have very little time for that sort of bullshit woe-is-us attitude.
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Informative)
No by getting the Muslim community involved and start turning in these idiots, the war on extremists is never going to be won unless the community that they belong to steps up.
Thus far, in every case that has occurred within Canada, the first alerts received by police about radicalized Muslims has been from Imams at various mosques.
The Muslim community has stepped up, and has been doing exactly what you extol. However, holding radical ideals isn't against the law in Canada; unless you can prove that a) an illegal act is being planned, or b) support is being given to an illegal organization, there isn't much the police can do except monitor the people involved.
The attacker from Monday's attack in St. Jean-sur-Richaleau was being monitored by police, and had even recently been questions by them. They had confiscated his passport, as he had booked a flight to Turkey (purportedly to cross into Syria to join ISIS/ISIL), but as he hadn't broken any Canadian laws, were unable to detain him. I have little doubt the way police were alerted to this person in the first place was via people at his local mosque.
Unfortunately, the police don't announce how they find out about the radicals they are tracking (news today has it that the RCMP is tracking 90 people for radicalist activities), in part to protect their sources. This is why you don't hear about it much in the media, but people on the inside know that it's been the leaders of Canadian mosques who have been at the forefront of reporting radical Islamic activity in this country.
Yaz
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That naivete is darned charming.
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Recognize that the tenets of Islam are incompatible with Western Democracy. Then make it treasonous to promote those tenets.
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The tenets of Islam are not more incompatible than the tenets or radical christs.
If you believe the Islam is your enemy then I might give you a hint: know your enemy, so you can fight him! And you will realize that Islam is a very moderate religion.
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First, how can something be "very moderate?" How do you be more moderate than normal moderate?
And while there are some moderate flavors of Islam, there are also violent, fanatical versions that have a not insignificant number of followers.
Just saying, of all the religions in the world, and there are many, it seems like 99.9% of religious violence comes from Muslims. But no, no, they're "very moderate."
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When leaders of their religion say "go kill infidels" and then the followers of that religion go and kill infidels, that does imply causation.
We can also test a control group. Say, Methodists. Methodist leaders do not say "go kill infidels," and there have been no reported incidents of Methodists beheading anyone.
Correlation does not imply causation, but that doesn't mean causation doesn't exist. When the cause and effect are easy to define and testable, we can indeed say the Islamic religion is a cause of
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Compare and contrast the First Commandment with the First Amendment.
Not to incompatible really the first commandment is aimed at the believer him/herself for their personal exercise not to be inflected on others. The first amendment is aimed at government and society so that we will tolerate each others existence. In fact all of the ten commandment are aimed at the believer and limit their actions. The only one of the ten commandments that says anything about what others may or may no do is the one about the Sabbath which read;
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
— Exodus 20:8-11
Which while relating to others just says they s
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About 6 billion of the world population are muslims, that's around 23% of the world population. Outlawing the world's second largest religion in a few select countries ("western democracies") would not work in practice, would violate basic principles of democracy, for example such a law would be incompatible with all constitutions of all western democracies, and would also be immoral according to the high moral standards of western democracies, in which laws against thought crimes are generally frowned upon
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Funny)
About 6 billion of the world population are muslims, that's around 23% of the world population.
I'm going to bet that even some of the most jihad-obsessed radicals, fresh from what passes for school Taliban-land, are better at math than you are.
If there are 6 billion Muslims, and they make up 23% of the world population, that means the world as a population of over 26 billion people.
Do you know some secret place on the planet where we're hiding almost 20 billion extra, previously unknown people?
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Then what? How does that fix anything? Are people going to change their beliefs because "it's the law"?
It sounds like you're playing right into hands of the dickheads wanting to radicalise and recruit impressionable kids who feel they are being persecuted and alienated - because now it's actual
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
>>> It's time to deal with radical Islamist extremists.
How? Declare Islam a thought-crime?
The problem has never been "Islam", and wanting to eliminate terrorists has nothing to do with being anti-religion. The problem is, as has happen so often throughout history, a bunch of people who self-identify with a particular religion are being steered by leaders who claim that religion as a tool to get followers.
The problem must be solved within the leadership of Islam. The honest leaders of the religion need to become more vigorous about this - expel those inciting violence, denounce them as heretics, cause a schism, all the same shit that the Catholic church had to go through in centuries past.
National leaders who are not religious leaders need to do what they can to support that. When someone with religious authority denounces a terrorist religious leader as such, of course that terrorist group will try to kill that authority. The state can offer protection.
Completely separate form religion, we should be bombing the fuck out of assholes who start conquering, looting and raping their neighbors like it was the middle ages! America still has some strength, and there's a growing territory where women have become property, and are being raped daily. Where men re being executed out of hand for having the wrong religion. Where they're partying like it's 999. We can't let that cancer grow - humanity mustn't slide back into barbarism.
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...we should be bombing the fuck out of assholes who start conquering, looting and raping their neighbors like it was the middle ages! ...... We can't let that cancer grow - humanity mustn't slide back into barbarism.
Hahaha... Do you read what you write? These statement are about 3 sentences apart!
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Just deport them to the USA. Dearborn, MI is the largest concentration of Muslims in the world outside of the middle east.
Actually Indonesia is the largest.
Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger Muslim population than any other country in the world, with approximately 202.9 million identified as Muslim (88.2% of Indonesia's total population of 237 million)
---wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Where Dearborn is only 40% of Arabic decent many of whom are Lebanese Christians called Maronites, and Armenian Christian immigrants also a large part of Dearborn Arabic population.
The city's population includes 40,000 Arab Americans... In the 2010 census, Arab Americans comprised 40% of Dearborn's population; many have been in the city for several generations...
The first Arab immigrants came in the early-to-mid-20th century to work in the automotive industry and were chiefly Lebanese Christians (Maronites). Other immigrants from the Mideast in the early twentieth century included a large Armenian-American community, who are Christian. Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs have also immigrated to the area. Since then, Arab immigrants from Yemen, Iraq and the Palestinian territories, most of whom are Muslim, have joined them. Lebanese Americans are still the most numerous group. (they are the Christian ones just saying)
---wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I think you have been watching to much Fox News and thats coming from an admitted conservative.
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Two events do not make a pattern. Look at the overall frequency and you will realize that obesity, cardiac diseases and consequences of climate change are more important topics, and should proportionally be addressed and discussed more.
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"It's time to deal with radical Islamist extremists."
That sentence could be simplified to:
"It's time to deal with extremists."
Simplicity is beauty. And tends to get at the core of the problem.
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:4, Informative)
Canada knows how to deal with terrorists [wikipedia.org] and move on with life.
Canada doesn't take shit [wikipedia.org].
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Word is in, the Reservist who was standing watch at the War Memorial has passed away.
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So it's time to go all ape-shit like we have in the USA and have military in the streets? Our cops are driving assault vehicles, carrying M16 machine guns and waterboarding people for jay-walking.
I though canadians were level headed people.
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I didn't say any of that. I said, we know how to mete our own form of justice to those that deserve it.
We will not go apeshit. We will not allow our government unrestricted control over every aspect of our lives or violate our laws.
What we will do is find those responsible, and hold them accountable, and very little will stop us until we think this has been accomplished. That is the way we have always done things. (And perhaps burn down the Whitehouse just for shits and giggles on the way home. ;) )
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Insightful)
That will fix things!
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Actually, we are sending several fighter jets to bomb ISIS, right now. Odds are that's what is precipitating these attacks.
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3 insane people it appears but your point is still valid
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I think today's the day Harper is about to ram his CSIS spying power bill through Parliament, as well. You know, the one that's increasing the ability of CSIS to spy domestically.
Even though the two soldiers who were run over were already well known. They already have the power being enacted (the ability to keep sources secret - a power they've actually never invoked, either),
Heck, one could argue it's to justify it all...
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I don't think this was a rare incident by an insane person. There have been shootings at at least three different locations in Ottawa and there apparently are multiple shooters. This is a planned terrorist attack.
I live in Ottawa and I'm aware of the security of Parliament Hill. The security there was completely inadequate to deal with this kind of threat; it really needs to be increased.
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If rob ford were the PM there would be swift response.
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MOAR CRACK!
Re:Dear Canada.... (Score:5, Funny)
If rob ford were the PM there would be swift response.
Like what, a crack-down?
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At least Trudeau is not running things. Canada would be sending humanitarian aid with no protection so ISIS can take over the area and have food to eat. Trudeau does not understand that humanitarian aid without security is useless at best and aid to the enemy at worst.
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How long has Trudeau been out of office, again?
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It is not time to panic. It is time to get serious about taking on and defeating the terrorists. That doesn't mean curtailing our civil liberties, but it does mean taking sensible precautions and not spouting Trudeau-esque bullshit about finding the "root causes" of terrorism.
There's a war on against Western democracies. We have to win it.
Parliment Hill != The White House (Score:5, Informative)
It's important for non-Canadians to realize that Parliment Hill is not the White House or US Senate. Parliment in Canada is a public commons. There is no security at all on the ground of Parliment and the space is routinely used for large scale public protests and demonstrations, less than a couple of dozen yards of Parliment itself. It's a different ball game.
Re:Parliment Hill != The White House (Score:5, Informative)
It is inaccurate to say there is no security at all. There's plenty of cameras, and both uniformed and non-uniformed security.
However, it is still a public place, and we do have the right to go there. In no small part because we refuse to treat our politicians like royalty
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Well, she is our titular head of state ... but she has no actual power and gets no money from us, and the old bat can go eat her dogs if she thinks she'll get any acknowledgement from most of us that she's either relevant of wanted.
See, I'm legally allowed to say "fuck the queen" just as much as you can say "fuck the president", and I'm under no obligation to think she's superior to a pile of shit. Which is good, because I don't.
She's on my money, that's about it.
She's a Queen. She's not my Queen. There
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Lard ashrams?
Note: iPhone autocorrects "kardashians" to "lard ashrams", which is just as funny.
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when was the Royal Veto effectively abolished in Canada? I can tell you when and by what Act it was abolished in England: the Parliament Act 1911.
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It's important for non-Canadians to realize that Parliment Hill is not the White House or US Senate. Parliment in Canada is a public commons. There is no security at all on the ground of Parliment and the space is routinely used for large scale public protests and demonstrations, less than a couple of dozen yards of Parliment itself. It's a different ball game.
That's not true. You used to be able to drive onto parliament hill, which was great at Christmas to see all the lights. But in the past few years they've stopped all car traffic except cleared vehicles, they've got Ottawa police providing security along with accusations of kickbacks for the service (I can't find the link as Google is flooded with today's stories on the shooting), they have always had security within the buildings themselves (eg: security guards preventing MPs from entering the House for a [www.cbc.ca]
Canada, get your own thing. (Score:5, Funny)
Crazed shooters are totally our thing.
--America.
Re:Canada, get your own thing. (Score:5, Funny)
Sorry.
-- Canada
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Mod parent Funny!
Blurb is all over the place (Score:4, Informative)
The blurb is all over the place. The shooting is in Ottawa, Canada, Canada's capital. A man with a shotgun walked up to one of two soldiers posted at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, and shot one of the soldiers. He then ran off, got into a car, and drove to the gates of Canada's Parliament Buildings center block (you can't drive to the front door, not since 9/11). He ran in and shots were fired. The Seargent At Arms shot and killed the shooter, but there are more shooters in the building (RCMP and Ottawa police are all over it). The parliament buildings are about 2 blocks from the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. There is a large hotel about a block from Parliament, the Chateau Laurier. There was a shooter in there also, and there is also a large shopping mall about 3 blocks away "Rideau Center". There are shooters in there too. This all follows a 'lone wolf' Jihadist running over (with a car) two soldiers at an army recruiting center yesterday. He was later shot (and killed by police). Also yesterday 6 CF-18's left Canada to join the war on the ISIS (or ISAL or ass-hole, however you want to call them). Also, today Malala Yousafzai was to receive honorary Canadian Citizenship (she is in Ottawa).
police confirmed the second shooting didn't occur (Score:3)
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Video has 9 shots, 3 before, 2 perps (Score:2)
A lot of the video is echos, only heard 9 actual. At least 3 at memorial.
Have only heard of 2 possible perpatrators, one is down.
Be safe, remember Canadians will never live in Fear, be strong.
(and to you in America, Canadians do know what to do)
Domestic Terrorism Threat Level (Score:2)
So is "Domestic Terrorism Threat Level" a ranking of how disenfranchised the population feels beyond the level of "Peaceful Protest"?
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We are in a total lockdown. No one gets in or out.
Inappropriate (Score:5, Funny)
This is a War memorial! You can't shoot people here!
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....to not overact.
Could be some IS wannabe loser(s), maybe domestic terrorist or a person with mental health issues. We do not know yet.
What I do know is the country is NOT in mortal danger (not even close), no they are not coming for you women and children.
We do not need to give up more civil liberties, no lock-down is required.
Wait for the facts to surface, then deal with it accordingly.
If we give in to fear and hysteria....well they win...
Pie Assassins of Canada (Score:2)
Only a few days after one killed south of Montreal (Score:3)
I suppose Facebooks new Safe Check [slashdot.org] would be useful today - my family have already text me to let me know they're safe, but it would be great to know none of my friends have been hurt.
downtown lockdown (Score:3)
I work at 55 Metcalfe st which is the corner of Queen and Metcalfe. I can see the parliament buildings from one of the corner offices. We are still locked down and cannot leave the premises. I think every police officer in the city is down here they are currently doing a grid search of buildings between Queen and Wellington streets.
Good thing this didn't happen in USA (Score:3)
A gunman in a government building? In the USA there's be 100,000 cops, the national guard, a dozen tanks, 50 helicopters, CNN and Fox News screaming into the camera "OHMYGOD OHMYGOWD!!!!" and the area would be in lockdown for 72 hours at least and a hazmat crew sent in afterwards ---- all for one shooter with a .22 rifle.
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Muzzies again (Score:4, Insightful)
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What makes you think this has anything to do with terrorism? If anything it seems personal. Why would they target a soldier from out of town, "guarding" a memorial first? If it was a terrorist attack you'd think they'd target something more significant than that, like the Prime Minister, MPs, etc.
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It's 1, possibly 2 guys with long guns. Even if it is a "terrorist" attack, it's a rather pathetic and poorly organized/planned one. The "radicalized" Canadian was not a terrorist, he was a disturbed individual who latched onto the ideology on his own accord. There were no links to any terrorist organization, no indoctrination, etc - had he latched onto any other ideology (like aliens are real or the boogeyman is going to eat your children) and done the same the conversation would be very different.
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How the hell can any attack against soldiers (of all people!) ever possibly be an act of terrorism? Having your soldiers get killed is certainly something to be justifiably pissed off about, but it's impossible for it to be terrorism. Even if a self-proclaimed "terrorist" does it, the act isn't terrorism. In conventional war (ask anyone, whether they grew up in 1200 BC or 1200 AD or 1812 or 1944 or 1971), soldiers are legitimate targets. The definitions didn't suddenly magically change in 2003 (or whenever it was) that US soldiers started getting picked off in Iraq.
9/11 changed everything (Score:3)
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He was a soldier but he was not a combatant. Typically, terrorism is about targeting noncombatants, not non-soldiers (though non-soldiers are almost always noncombatants). Ottawa is not a warzone.
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I've just paid attention to the warnings they issue that the "story is still unfolding ... there are conflicting reports ... very little can be confirmed at this point" etc. If it was a targeted attack as you suggest, shooting someone over half a kilometer away from any targets of importance is not logical. It's a 5-8 minute walk to Parliament Buildings from where the shootings began.
They haven't even been able to confirm that a second shooter exists. The only other person shot was a random staff person
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Ok i c....
So basically we should give up all our civil liberties, and live in a police state with harsher restrictions than sharia law WITH high tech tools to enforce it.
All in the name to "feel" safer? That is your solution?
I lived in Canada all my life. Do you know how many terrorists that wanted to kill me I have come face to face with? 0.
You know how many statistically speaking I am expected to come face to face with? 0
The probability of me being killed by terrorists in Canada is so close to 0, it might as well be 0.
If ever it happens, you know what, it's a tragedy, it sucks, I have the worst luck in the world, but at least I would die knowing he failed to scare us, he failed to take away the rights and freedoms so many others before me fought and died for.
For us to simply give them all up because we are scared due to a few crazed individuals is a disgrace to those who fought in WW1, WW2 and countless other conflicts, fighting against much more scarier threats....
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" Do you know how many terrorists that wanted to kill me I have come face to face with? 0.
Remove the "I have come face to face with" and that answer will certainly not be zero.
No, that answer will almost certainly still be zero. The answer to "Do you know how many terrorists want to kill a generic Westerner?" would not be zero, but who fucking cares? There's a few white people who would be happy to see a generic black person dead (and vice versa); there's a few Irish who would be happy to see a generic Englishman dead.
The relevant question is not whether there exist some people willing to kill your countrymen, because that will never be an empty set. The relevant question is whether those people are likely to actually kill more of your countrymen than moose, sharks, or bed sheets [childdeathreview.org]. The answer is that you should be much more frightened of bed sheets than either terrorists or sharks.
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Uh, no. You assume that making the country an even larger police state would help. But I'm sure the Canadians already had about as big a police state as it needed.
And the fuss over incidents involving two persons? Out of millions that live in and travel through Canada each year? Seems like their police apparatus is working pretty well from my point of view.
You talk as if we could bring an end to the threat of someone doing something nefarious, if only we just did something (think of the chil... soldiers). But you know what? We're doing enough. The actual count of terrorism deaths compared with just about any other cause should convince just about anyone of that. But when your argument is emotional, I guess facts don't matter (but still we try...).
So, no, neither Canada, nor the US, nor does just about any developed country need a bigger police, monitoring, border-controlling, etc. apparatus. They should probably try a bit harder to make sure that wealth and opportunity are distributed a bit more equitably and that people have a bit more say in what's being done for/to them and that might be a bit more cost-effective, but it's also a tangent along which I will not proceed further.
What is clear is that freedom is built on acceptable losses. You can debate acceptable loss levels, but the fact of those losses never go away. Talking about acceptable levels and what is needed to achieve those levels might generate a fruitful discussion but, somehow, I don't think you want to talk about things that way.
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Given a choice between real liberty and perceived safety, I'll take liberty, thanks.
The people trying to keep us "safe" by stripping away our freedoms are the ones I really worry about, no matter what political party they're from.
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How many people died in terrorist attacks last year? How many died in the hands of various authoritarian regimes?
I think even the most cursory review of history shows which threat deserves more attention.
We're the reason why
Islam = Religion of Terrorism (Score:3, Informative)
I am from a country where the majority of the people are Muslims. I know what Islam is
On the other hand, you guys in Europe, in Canada, in America, in Japan, Korea, or the Argentine, the knowledge you guys have on Islam is what they are telling you - and when I say THEY, I mean the authority, the power that be
No matter if it is the government of the United States of America, or the British government, or that of France, Germany, Italy, will insist that Islam is a "Religion of Peace"
Day in, and day out, you
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"nerds" are often the ones who care about such things because they are intelligent enough to see the larger issues, like social justice. Mainstream media is all about the fear and the drama, rarely about the larger issues. That's less true of some Canadian media, but more and more it's going the way of the US fear machine.
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>> And apparently that gun control doesn't work out so well.
I know as much about what happened today as the summary says, but... if the "best" guns the shooters had today were shotguns, then gun control likely did its job.
Re:Good thing Canada's pretty much a "Gun Free" zo (Score:5, Informative)
If you're discounting what you claim the major cause of American gun deaths (illegally owned guns used by criminals) to be, you've got to do the same in Canada. In nearly every category Canada is better off, per capita, than the US in terms of crime. [nationmaster.com]
Also, citation needed for the not counting gangland violence showing low murder rate. The closest thing I can find is a mis-cited report about Chicago that a US conservative site trotted out, sourcing a CDC report that shows nothing of the sort, via Reddit. Here's [armedwithreason.com] a well cited refutation of the idea that 80% of gun deaths are caused by gangs, not even after ruling out suicide is it close to true..
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Canadians have an estimated 7-8 million legal guns in circulation. Hardly a "gun free" zone.
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There's no poisonous snakes native to Nova Scotia dontchano, so what ya be needing a gun for?
I hear hunting is quite popular in Canada so may be moose, ducks, or the most awful thing from Canada ever that need to be gunned down in mass [wikipedia.org].
If this is terrorism and Canada decides to wrongly go after something I suggest the Canadian Geese as that would at least be useful.
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How about self defense against against a nut job on a killing spree? The least successful spree killers in the US have all been stopped by an armed civilian, not a government employee.
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Well, yeah, blindly following anyone is stupid. That's true whether you're Canada, or the American electorate. We should both think more.
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This is what we get for blindly following the states^W^W^W^W being a Western democracy and refusing to be dhimmis to Islamist nutters.
FTFY.
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Saudi's blow up WTC - bomb Afghanistan.
FTFY
Quebec guy snipes Ottara - bomb Iraq.
The decision to bomb ISIS was made before the attack so your connection is false.
(PS learn to spell Ontario)
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You're an embarrassment to your country.
It was in large part Canada's willingness to stand by Britain and allow it's airmen to support it against Hitler's attempted advances in World War II. Canada was a major factor in helping prevent Britain losing the Battle of Britain, a defining moment which crushed Hitler's ability to spread West outside of Europe (and guess who would've been next if Britain fell?) by decimating his airforce and navy.
If you think isolation is a solution in an increasingly globalised w