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Putin To Discuss Plans For Disconnecting Russia From the Internet 241

New submitter GlowingCat writes: Russian President Vladimir Putin and several high-ranking officials will discuss the security of the Russian segment of the Internet at the meeting of the Russian Security Council next week. According to various reports, the officials will make a number of decisions about regulating the use of the Internet in Russia. This includes the ability to cut off the Russian Internet, known as Runet, from the outside world, in case of emergency.
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Putin To Discuss Plans For Disconnecting Russia From the Internet

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  • Dibs! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:56PM (#47947745)

    I call dibs on their IP blocks!

    • eternal June (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:36PM (#47948237)

      From chernenko@kremvax.UUCP Sun Apr 1 15:02:52 1984
      Relay-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC840302); site mcvax.UUCP
      Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 4/1/84 (SU840401); site kremvax.UUCP
      Path: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
      From: chernenko@kremvax.UUCP
      Newsgroups: net.general,eunet.general,net.politics,eunet.politics
      Subject: USSR on Usenet
      Message-ID:
      Date: Sun, 1-Apr-84 15:02:52 GMT
      Article-I.D.: kremvax.0001
      Posted: Sun Apr 1 15:02:52 1984
      Date-Received: Mon, 1-Apr-84 12:26:02 GMT
      Organization: MIIA, Moscow
      Lines: 41



      Well, today, 840401, this is at last the Socialist Union of Soviet Republics joining the Usenet network and saying hallo to everybody.

      One reason for us to join this network has been to have a means of having an open discussion forum with the American and European people and making clear to them our strong efforts towards attaining peaceful coexistence between the people of the Soviet Union and those of the United States and Europe.

      We have been informed that on this network many people have given strong anti-Russian opinions, but we believe they have been misguided by their leaders, especially the American administration, who is seeking for war and domination of the world. By well informing those people from our side we hope to have a possibility to make clear to them our intentions and ideas.

      Some of those in the Western world, who believe in the truth of what we say have made possible our entry on this network; to them we are very grateful. We hereby invite you to freely give your comments and opinions.

      Here are the data for our backbone site:

      Name: moskvax
      Organization: Moscow Institute for International Affairs
      Contact: K. Chernenko
      Phone: +7 095 840401
      Postal-Address: Moscow, Soviet Union
      Electronic-Address: mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko
      News: mcvax kremvax kgbvax
      Mail: mcvax kremvax kgbvax

      And now, let's open a flask of Vodka and have a drink on our entry on this network. So:

      NA ZDAROVJE!

      -- K. Chernenko, Moscow, USSR
      ...{decvax,philabs}!mcvax!moskvax!kremvax!chernenko

      • Where are modpoints when you need them. This is an historic posting that needs at least 5 positive.
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          The historical posting from April 1 and a phone number to match the date? It's entertaining at least.

      • Erm, this was posted on April 1st... and the phone number has 840401 as the last 6 digits....denoting april 1st, and it also appears in the Posting-Version in two formats.

        Nice one AC.

  • PLEASE! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 19, 2014 @12:57PM (#47947757)

    Please disconnect .RU from the internet. Spam and hacking down %25 in one whack

    • I second this motion! My websites had 200,000+ attacks in the past year. Most were brute force effort to guess the passwords for the admin accounts. I spent a week going through the log files, removing extra and/or suspicious files, renaming the default admin accounts, using stronger passwords, and setting up special .htaccess files. PITA!
      • by s.petry ( 762400 )
        If you are receiving that many brute force attacks and having to manually change admin information, you are doing the Internet wrong!
        • I wasn't aware that I had a problem until my Joomla and Wordpress websites became unstable several months ago. The webhosting company claimed that the problem wasn't on their end. So I had to investigate what was going on. Low and behold, I found log files with all the failed login attempts. The various security hardening guides recommended changing the name of the default admin accounts and using strong passwords. That alone reduced the number of attacks by half since the hackers will have to guess both th

          • by qpqp ( 1969898 )

            I wasn't aware that I had a problem until my Joomla and Wordpress websites became unstable several months ago.

            What? You were not aware that Joomla and Wordpress are being cracked wide open on a regular basis?
            It's almost the same as:

            U: "Hi, I am running windows."
            A: "And?"
            U: "I have a problem..."
            A: "You already said that."

            • I ran my Joomla/Wordpress websites for over five years without problems. When both types of websites became unstable at the same time several months ago, I complained to the web hosting company. Not surprisingly, they denied that the problem was on their end. That's when I took EXTRA steps to harden my websites against hackers.
    • not to mention the instant increase in quality of the League of Legends community.
    • But... but... but... where will I get all my Viagra spam from if he does this?
    • Yes please disconnect yourselves or we can do it for you! Where's my cable cutters?

    • by jmd ( 14060 )

      What are you waiting for?

    • by s.petry ( 762400 )
      You can easily block all mail from .ru sites. Please (re?)read your MTA documentation. I have not done so for a very long time, but in the 90s did so. In fact I used to block .tw, .ko., .cn, and any other foreign country that sent me Spam. Management was not very happy about it when they finally figured it out, but we had very little spam for those two glorious years...
  • Imagine how... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    ... every multiplayer game experience would improve overnight if they did this.
    Captcha: Repress

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:00PM (#47947771)

    Internet disconnects YOU!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:00PM (#47947781)

    He would be doing the world a favor by removing a very large number of hackers, phishers and virus kiddies from the net.

    Please cut them off as soon as possible!!

  • they would've simply set up their own version of the internet, the Cosmonet. All of the iron curtain countries would be connected.

    Gosh I miss the old days.

  • OH NOES! (Score:5, Funny)

    by l0n3s0m3phr34k ( 2613107 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:03PM (#47947831)
    But...how could we cope without all the botnet controllers, spam gateways, compromised .ru servers, and all the other wonderful users coming out of Russia? I agree that this could be very interesting if he did this; we could see the real impact of Russia's criminal internet community. The net might work better for awhile without .ru
  • oh noes (Score:5, Funny)

    by watcher-rv4 ( 2712547 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:04PM (#47947839)
    No more car crash videos =/
  • by aristotle-dude ( 626586 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:04PM (#47947845)
    They control all of the root traffic across the internet so they could not only shut down the entire internet but close off the US portion of the internet anytime they wanted. In fact, I believe there was a similar story about Obama wanting to be sure that he could "shutdown" the internet in an emergency.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_name_server

      Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

      • Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R... [wikipedia.org]

        Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

        The still control the majority of the routing. They can cripple the internet any time they want and they can get their loyal partners in europe to follow suit.

        • by Rich0 ( 548339 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:51PM (#47948363) Homepage

          Except they don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R... [wikipedia.org]

          Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies. And there is nothing preventing a cut of potion of the Internet/group of ISPs to route any or all of the these IPs to their own DNS servers.

          The still control the majority of the routing. They can cripple the internet any time they want and they can get their loyal partners in europe to follow suit.

          This is the kind of control that exists by consensus though.

          The reason that half of Europe and Asia go along with the US, is that at some level most US policies around things like the Internet tend to make sense. I don't care for the intrusive surveillance, but when you look at it at a national level the US comes along, installs a bunch of gear, and likely shares all the data obtained from it with the country that gave them access (I doubt they give them access to everything internationally, but I wouldn't be surprised if a small country could get more data on what is on their own networks by collaborating with the US than trying to do it themselves, and for the most part their interests are aligned with the US on the sort of stuff they'd be looking for anyway).

          The US can't just arbitrarily enact some kind of lasting blockade on the internet, because they wouldn't have the support on the ground to do that.

          Now, the US could exercise control over data travelling through undersea cables that cross its territories, and when it comes to the Pacific I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of those (as a result of WWII). Land routes from Europe to Asia, however, are probably fairly free from US direct control.

      • Not all root servers are in the US. Not all root servers are controlled by US companies/government agencies.

        You're being naive. As we saw from the leaks last year, if the *hardware* is American, then it's controlled by the US govt. The NSA forces US companies to include hardware modifications into the products they sell, to enable spying and control even through an airgap.

        So yeah, maybe that root server isn't physically in the US, but it's obviously critical strategic infrastructure, and you can ass

    • They control all of the root traffic across the internet so they could not only shut down the entire internet

      This is a silly concept. I mean "the internet" is a bunch of lines (I know some are wireless) that connect in some way. And in this way, each country has their own internet, and they, so far, all agree to connect their figurative LAN to the figurative WAN. If the U.S. decided to cut off it's connection to the rest of the world, that wouldn't stop France from still communicating with Africa, or any other country besides the U.S. I'm not sure that is true for Canada, and/or Mexico (even all of South Ameri

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        So this planning by Russia is a logical move. How to selectively cut off foreign regional areas from local national internet, whilst maintaining local national internet and select international connections. This is something that every country capable of doing so should do so. The internet is an essential part of modern communications infrastructure and method should be established to ensure the local national infrastructure continues to operate regardless of government or corporate machinations in foreign

    • by mlts ( 1038732 )

      Possible but unlikely. The main reason why SOPA and PIPA were not passed wasn't the protests and website shutdowns, but the fact that Russia and China made it firm that cutting their websites from the Internet would be viewed as the same thing as a naval blockade... an act of war. With Congress afraid of their own shadow, it is no wonder why they backed down, saying it was the will of the people.

      No way the entire Internet will be shut down by the US. First thing that will happen is that the UN would get

  • by gandhi_2 ( 1108023 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:04PM (#47947851) Homepage

    as soon as i heard this I thought of that geenie joke from the boondock saints...
    ...IT guy goes, "You mean to tell me Russia is off the Internet?"
        Genie goes, "Yeah."
        He says, "Well, um, I'll have a Coke, then."

  • And disconnect them from this end? If he doesn't want us, why should we offer ourselves up to him?
  • by anmre ( 2956771 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:10PM (#47947925)

    In case of emergency

    Emergency for Putin or Russian citizens? I can't think of any possible scenario which can be called an emergency where I personally would benefit from having _less_ information.

    I'm disgusted that people like Putin are actually of the same species as myself.

    • by ShieldW0lf ( 601553 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:23PM (#47948075) Journal

      Can you think of a scenario which can be called an emergency where you would benefit from protection from malicious misinformation?

      Think hard.

      • by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @04:13PM (#47949951)

        Can you think of a scenario which can be called an emergency where you would benefit from protection from malicious misinformation?

        Think hard.

        No.

        I can think of situations where providing accurate information from a more trusted source would protect me from "misinformation," but I can't think of any emergency or security situation where I would benefit from being cut off from [alleged] misinformation.

        Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they didn't think "hard" enough. I always wonder though, what sort of people think that thinking is like lifting weights, where you can do it "harder." I mean, an intelligent person just thinks. It just happens. Trying to think "harder" means being distracted by some goal, and that doesn't improve the thinking process. If I think about the most difficult chess tournaments I competed in, my best wins against stronger opponents, I wasn't thinking "harder." I was thinking more easily.

        • You're so caught up in your desire to defend your ridiculous "free expression" ideology that you won't acknowledge that facts exist, or that lies exist. There's a huge blind spot that you can't see past because you've decided that your ideology is beyond critical examination.

          That pedantic crap about "thinking hard" just reinforces that for all your cleverness, you're just another idiot who has been crippled by his preconceptions.

          You should probably stick to the contrived world of the chessboard and leave t

    • by neoritter ( 3021561 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:26PM (#47948121)

      In case of war. Cut access to the internet and cyber attacks from enemy nations becomes harder.

    • You're right, but with the NSA snooping on everyone, it could be a good idea, even if just to cut out that snooping. The NSA basically destroyed the concept of LAN/WAN. If all you can do to guard your country from spying is to cut them off from the "snoop-wire" then you should prepare to do just that. I'm not defending Putin, but he does have a job to do for his country.
  • What happens to the block chain if the network is split, as in this case?

    • People who thought a virtual item could be unique and valuable find out the hard way what anyone with common sense knew all along?

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Others can grab the IPv4 addresses that Russia is using today. Of course - Russia can start using the rest of the IP addresses that the world uses too.

    • The answer is different in theory than it is in reality, but lets start with the theory first.

      The network ca never practically be slit perfectly evenly, even if it is as more computing power is added to the problem one side will "win out" and the blockchain, by definition, is officially the longest (most complex) chain yet mined. So eventually the losing side would be undone, as if it never happened (within the scope of the blockchain... goods or services would still have been exchanged).

      That assumes that a

  • While I'd love to imagine the hilarity that would ensue if Russia were to attempt to completely disconnect the internet in order to run their own entirely isolated private one, I doubt this is in reality what would happen. Even if they managed to keep most or all of their population from getting traffic from international social/news networks in, I have the sneaking suspicion that somehow the SPAM would still find its way out.

    • China more or less manages that, only they still allow limited access to the outside. You'd be surprised what an entire nation can do, if it puts it mind to it.

  • We have talked about this before for the US [slashdot.org].

  • by quietwalker ( 969769 ) <pdughi@gmail.com> on Friday September 19, 2014 @01:22PM (#47948067)

    Looking out there at other countries use of this sort of power, the only thing it's ever been used for is to crush political opposition including peaceful protests, and to hide government abuse at the time it's happening.

  • So I guess Russias enemies have never had the idea to simply have compromised servers/equipment inside the Russian border... Oh No! I just gave it away! Russia's doomed!

  • I sure am happy that I stopped using the Agnitum Outpost firewall on my PCs a few months back. I didn't like having Russian-developed software in such a critical spot on my PCs, especially with Mr. Putin's irrational sabre-rattling. Now, with the possibility of Russia being taken off the internet, my decision looks even better.
  • ... like the Russian populace becoming too educated to put up with him any more.

  • "I want one too!" - Putin

    Hey, anyone think these world leaders got the sudden urge to have these things after seeing the first episode of Black Mirror? XD

  • by gnu-sucks ( 561404 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @02:06PM (#47948527) Journal

    People forget how much we depend on the internet for basic things. (Writing from a USA perspective).

    Without the internet, suddenly all the Cisco phones can't check in daily. The windows computers freeze up during windows update (imagine if he flips the switch *during* an update), cash registers can't authenticate credit cards, most iPhone apps fail (maps!)...

    Is Russia as internet-dependent as we are?

    • by reikae ( 80981 )

      Fart apps and Windows updates could fail?! NOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

    • by Tom ( 822 )

      Is Russia as internet-dependent as we are?

      Russia is independent of the USA part of the Internet to a degree you can hardly imagine. They have their own Facebook (vk), their own Google (yandex), two DNS root-server anycast instances, and even for credit cards they'll not be very sorry as Russians prefer debit cards from their own banks over Master/VISA credit cards.

      Sure it'd be noticeable and some stuff would stop working, but it is certainly feasable.

      • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
        Re: "Sure it'd be noticeable and some stuff would stop working, but it is certainly feasable."
        Russia knows most of its spending on Western tech was useful but the reality of phone home or back doors, trap doors, poor quality crypto or other access cannot be totally understood network wide.
        The ability to turn the net off to bulk external chatter would be a safe option for Russia to have fully explored over time. Russia can then just let its air gapped internal networks function and Russians would underst
  • I'm already blocking *.ru and entire IP blocks assigned to russia at the firewall.

    If they want to have their own internet with hookers and blackjack... have at it!
  • Their DNS root and primary router will be KREMVAX. [wikipedia.org]

  • by X10 ( 186866 )

    A lot of the child pornography we see comes from servers in Russia. Most of the spam we get comes from servers in Russia. Now, wouldn't it be nice if Russia cuts itself off the internet?

  • by kylemonger ( 686302 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @02:43PM (#47948945)
    ... we just disconnected Russia from the Internet right now?
  • by ka9dgx ( 72702 ) on Friday September 19, 2014 @03:33PM (#47949531) Homepage Journal

    The Republic of Texas has its own power grid. I've heard rumors in the distance past that they have the ability to isolate their phone lines. I see no reason to doubt that they kept up with the times when it comes to the Internet.

    Of course... it's just a rumor.

    • Given a choice between having Russia cut off the internet and the Republic of Texas doing the same thing, I wouldn't have much trouble saying that Texas should go.

      For some of us, both seem to be places where demagogs whip up political frenzy to manipulate the masses, mindless violence becomes normal (hello open carry), citizens loose their rights (reproductive rights, for one) and oligarchs warp the system to grab even more power and money (home of the Bushes). Then there's the macho culture, cult of alcoh

  • Well, that would runet...

  • Imagine how much less spamming and hacking we'll have! No more Russian brides. Yeah!

  • Where will we get the endless stream of videos of people hurting themselves doing foolish things? That's a pretty big share of the internet right there!

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