The Five Nigerian Gangs Behind Most Craigslist Buyer Scams 160
itwbennett writes Five Nigerian criminal gangs are behind most scams targeting sellers on Craigslist, and they've taken new measures to make their swindles appear legitimate, according to a study by George Mason University researchers Damon McCoy and Jackie Jones. In a new innovation, they're using professional check-writing equipment plus U.S.-based accomplices to not raise suspicions among their victims. McCoy and Jones will present their paper on Sept. 24 at the IEEE eCrime Research Summit in Birmingham, Alabama.
Scammers recruiting local "payment agents" ... (Score:3)
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I wonder how much they are duped. I repeatedly see spam-ads in forums for "moneyrelative.com" except that isn't what it is. It's money ... ummm... something else.
And the spam ads always look like somebody misplacing a comment from a completely different forum, "uhh, yeah, what kate said, it's amazing how you can earn yada yada dollars in only a month..."
But they never say what you do for the money.
Now, I *DO* earn yada yada dollars in a month, because I am drafting working drawings for real bridges that g
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Quite a bit. Most people haven't memorized money laundering laws.
And unlike the jobs you mentioned, this kind of "financial courier" job leaves an electronic trail a mile wide to the "payment agent", with little to no chance of escaping arrest, trial and jail time. It's something only really clueless people would sign up for, and yes, they get duped into it.
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Clueless people and greedy people. It's amazing how many people will do something they know is shady just because of the allure of the money they are promised.
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I wonder how much they are duped.
It's not that hard for them to find a dupe. They blast out messages through email and Yahoo chat all the time from textile companies looking for "agents" in the US. They usually have some excuse about how they got your contact info. They blast out enough so the hit ratio can be minuscule. Not everyone is savvy about things related to technology. Most who fall for it are probably idiots, but even people who are intelligent in other things have fallen for it.
The scam goes something like this: You're dupe
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Her dying is the first time she's made me smile, just a little. No if that gargoyle daughter follows quickly all will be well.
These folks prey on the greedy and naive (Score:5, Funny)
So, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
If you've got some time on your hands, toddle over to 419 Eater [419eater.com] and get educated. If you have even more time on your hands, become a scam baiter.
Scambaiting (Score:1)
A friend of mine has a game where he responds to the "free vacation" guys with just "yes" for every question. He then posts the results to his FB along with how long he managed to bait the faux-telemarketer, and what their last words were (usually profanity).
Quite entertaining
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Not me, I'm going to be the crusty old codger who hogs all the Werther's Originals and squints at people beadily.
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I think another part of it is that technology/the Internet is a complete unknown to many elderly people. They don't properly know what's what online perhaps knowing enough to check their e-mail and Facebook. Ignorance of anything (no matter what your age) opens you up for fraud based on that thing.
For example, I know nearly nothing about cars beyond basic maintenance. I go to a trusted mechanic. If he told me that a part needed to be replaced, I'd have to trust him. He could be defrauding me for all I
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I've never seen any group get as consistently scammed as kids buying their first car.
The dumbest of them buy new cars and get in the habit.
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Chump.
You paid about $15,000 to drive for 2 years. The rest was for the remaining years and was readily available on the used car market.
Idiot.
Cash or Card only (Score:3)
When I list something on Craigslist, I only accept cash or debit. While not foolproof, cash can be checked for legitimacy with a counterfeit detector pen. And while cards can be stolen, checking their ID will stop most cases of fraud.
"Counterfeit detector pens" don't exist (Score:5, Informative)
cash can be checked for legitimacy with a counterfeit detector pen
"Counterfeit detector pens" don't exist. They're just iodine: they have no special detection properties whatsoever.
"Counterfeit pens are fairly accurate and save a lot of time, but they aren't foolproof. For instance, if the counterfeit is printed on paper with a low starch content, the pen won't detect it. If someone managed to steal a roll of unused currency paper and printed it themselves, the pen wouldn't detect it. If someone washed a $1 bill until the ink was gone and re-printed it as a $100 bill, the pen wouldn't detect it. All the pen really detects is whether the paper is made from wood pulp or an alternate, less starchy fiber."
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I can tell from your comment that you're far more enlightened than us normal people. So while I find your explanation of why counterfeit pens don't work fascinating, I even more interested in your solution to this problem. If an old lady wants to buy shelves from me that I'm selling on Craigslist, how should I make that financial transaction?
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The best way to do it is just look at the watermark and or security ribbon. That detects even washed and reprinted bills, though those are more the realm of, say, Russia than someone off the street. If you get a UV light, the security ribbon will fluoresce different colors depending on the bill. It's quicker than looking through the bill, but might not actually be as effective in the sun (I gather that the $100s are particularly troublesome to fluoresce/see).
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One way to avoid (Score:2)
419, my friend. (Score:1)
the Nigerian 411 scammers is to simply give yourself the following test: "If it's too good to be true, it most definitely is." No one in their right is just going to wire several million dollars into your account in exchange for a small transaction fee. The best thing to do is just delete these emails. Or, if you feel intrepid, it might be fun to bait them along for a little bit.
411 is the telephone number for "information" in the US. You're thinking of 419 [419eater.com].
Have a good day!
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And according to their site you are incorrect as well. It's not 419 it's "4-1-9" after the Nigerian Penal Code affected by it.
And you, apparently are unaware that dashes (you know, these '-' things) are punctuation that isn't always (actually, in this case, rarely) used [lmgtfy.com].
So, you took my attempt to help someone else just to try (and fail) to insult me? You need to get a life. Really.
Re:One way to avoid (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't your usual 419 scam. They're not offering millions of dollars to suckers.
What they're doing is buying stuff from Craigslist sellers with bogus checks that look awfully real. There's another step where they send a too-large check and ask for a partial refund. The checks are so good that they clear, and the fraud isn't discovered until weeks later, at which time your bank yanks the money back.
There's still hints of the usual 419 stuff in there, but you don't have to be either gullible or greedy. You simply have to misunderstand the idiotic system under which checks are processed, which is most of us. The idea that a certified check could fail, a month after you deposited it, is baffling to the majority of people who think of a certified check as practically good as cash.
The checking system is so screwed up that most sellers need to treat all checks with suspicion. But credit cards are expensive to process, and Paypal... is Paypal.
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The scam in this case involves more expensive items, in the $1,500 range. (The limit is $1,000 rather than $100; I assume that's just a typo, but it's still above that range.)
And apparently the scammers are also on that: they're starting to work up fake money orders as well. I gather that's used more on stores than on Craigslist buyers, where the store can't validate the money order before they hand over the merchandise, but I assume it'll develop.
Re:One way to avoid (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't your usual 419 scam. They're not offering millions of dollars to suckers.
What they're doing is buying stuff from Craigslist sellers with bogus checks that look awfully real. There's another step where they send a too-large check and ask for a partial refund. The checks are so good that they clear, and the fraud isn't discovered until weeks later, at which time your bank yanks the money back.
There's still hints of the usual 419 stuff in there, but you don't have to be either gullible or greedy. You simply have to misunderstand the idiotic system under which checks are processed, which is most of us. The idea that a certified check could fail, a month after you deposited it, is baffling to the majority of people who think of a certified check as practically good as cash.
The checking system is so screwed up that most sellers need to treat all checks with suspicion. But credit cards are expensive to process, and Paypal... is Paypal.
True, and that is what scam artists depend on to run their con. Banks in the US have to make the funds available after a set period even though the check has not cleared; i.e. the issuing bank has not yet accepted the check and verified that it was a valid check and the funds are available in the account. Most people think that because the bank has deposited the funds in their account that the check is good; a not unreasonable expectation because most checks do not bounce and thus they never realize the bank may not have actually cleared the check before the funds were made available. The law was designed to prevent banks from putting excessive holds on checks but a side effect was to give scammers a new way to cheat people.
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The checking system is so screwed up that most sellers need to treat all checks with suspicion. But credit cards are expensive to process, and Paypal... is Paypal.
You seem to be forgetting the obvious option here... Cash. The only cheques that shouldn't be rejected out of hand are bank cheques (because the bank who issued the cheque is holding the money in escrow). The bank cheque has a serial number you can ring the issuing bank and verify. Personal cheques are to be rejected absolutely, business cheques are to be rejected from all but the most trustworthy of clients.
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In this case, these are bank checks. They happen to be fake, but it takes a while to determine that, and most sellers don't realize that.
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In this case, these are bank checks. They happen to be fake, but it takes a while to determine that, and most sellers don't realize that.
Vendor Emptor.
Bank cheques are easy to verify and, at least in Australia, hard to forge. If you're suspect of a bank cheque you can ring the issuing bank to verify them (again, at least in Australia).
If I couldn't do this, they'd be as trustworthy as personal cheques.
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If you fall for this scam you're nothing but a dope and you deserve to lose your money.
It isn't about understanding how checks work. It's about understanding how buying and selling work. If you accept a check for any item you sell, you're taking a risk that the check is bad- either fake or insufficient funds in the account to pay the check. If someone wants to write you a check for more than your selling price and then wants you to send them money, you're an idiot if you do it. Period. You're giving th
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Bah! You don't know what you're talking about. Why I put all of my Dead Nigerian Prince money and International Lottery winnings into this giant Scrooge McDuck-style vault. I shall now swim in it.
*jumps into money vault*
*horrible thudding sound as I hit the bottom of the empty vault*
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Follow Craigslist advice ... (Score:2, Informative)
Craigslist provides seven tips for avoiding fraud. The scam in this article involves ignoring three of those tips. The funny thing is that those three tips have nothing to do with the ambiguous "too good to be true" line that people throw around. All of those tips involve how (not) to conduct transactions on a site that provides minimal protections for fraud.
Some fool *tried* that on me on "postaroo"... apk (Score:5, Informative)
I was selling off an ATI 9800 high-end model (was old by then though) & sent me $5,000 in money orders (wells fargo type): I was only asking for, iirc, $100 or so for the videocard too...
Right then, This crook began to attempt to "push me" into going to the bank immediately after I wrote him back via email & called him stating "Hey buddy - you sent me a *wee bit much* for this vidcard!"
He stated "It's a gift for your help"... lol, "yea, right"
So, right then, I called WellsFargo & they determined the money orders were part of a scam online + a known "bad" run of them that were stolen &/or duplicated...
Did this by their "MICR #'s" / "Routing Numbers" (for lack of a better expression - it's what I used on checks to do that in my old job back in the 1980's is why & it's similar enough here too) when I went to verify the funds being actually available or not!
They weren't, needless to say... however, were *I* to cash in on them? I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIABLE!
That's WRONG: Banks ought to be the ones doing THAT part of it, NOT I, as a depositor in good faith!
Now, I have a background in my past as a loss prevention mgt. figure & I had to verify personal checks A LOT on that job - that's pretty much HOW I did it too (bank calls, & verify funds etc. - et al) - so I did the same here.
Glad I did.
The bank it was drafted on THEN instructed me to call Wells Fargo to verify funds!
AGAIN - THE BANKS THAT ACCEPT FUNDS OF ANY KIND IN CHECK OR MONEY ORDER FORM SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS, as well as my OWN bank too, upon receipt of myself attempting to cash them in & deposit them!
However - Apparently, NOWADAYS @ least, THEY DON'T... & THAT, people, is TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Why?
Heck - It puts the depositor @ risk, & all it TAKES is a phonecall to the bank or money order company involved to check for funds being actually present, OR, if the money order or checks involved are stolen, or counterfeit, etc.
To me @ least?
It seems like banks are "in on the scam" by dodging THEIR DUTIES here, in not verifying check or money order funds being present OR if they are legit (not stolen or counterfeited etc.).
APK
P.S.=> In the end, I went to the local FBI office with the forged/stolen checks, with the email information the crook (a "reverend" out of Atlanta, no less) gave me, along with his phone number (disposable cellphone) - needless to say, the crook stopped calling me RIGHT after I did that... apk
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If that's Check21, then I can't wait for Check22 and I hope that I shall live to see it!
Learn to READ please... apk (Score:1)
"You clearly are gullible and were fleeced, that isn't the bank's fault it is your fault." - by naughtynaughty (1154069) on Monday September 08, 2014 @01:12PM (#47853865)
See subject-line above: I didn't get "fleeced" - I caught it w/ the FBI helping me STOP from getting ripped off!
APK
P.S.=> YOU, however, are CLEARLY a miserable little troll w/ nothing better to do than make sockpuppet disposable accounts to *attempt* to mess with others online, & YOU FAIL @ that since you cannot read, illiterate as you are... apk
Re:Some fool *tried* that on me on "postaroo"... a (Score:4, Informative)
I don't have an experience with this, but my identity was stolen once and I got the same impression about the credit card companies and credit agencies. If your identity is stolen, it's no big deal for them. They just push back and bad charges to the companies they came from. e.g. If Crook steals your identity, opens a credit card in your name, and goes on a spending spree at Electronics Hut, Electronics Hut will be caught having to pay for all of that equipment that Crook "bought."
The same seems to be true about this check fraud. The bank doesn't care if the check you deposit bounces horrendously. After all, if it does, it doesn't hurt them. It hurts you. Since they aren't hurt, they see check fraud as something for their customers to worry about instead of something that they could work to reduce. Now, if a "cleared" check gave the person that money, the money couldn't be yanked back once the bad check bounced, and the bank was stuck covering the deficit, you can guarantee that banks would have a fix in place for this scam within a week.
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Yes, my identity was stolen. The thieves had access to my name, SSN, date of birth, and address. From where, I'll never know. (The police were little help and the credit card company actively stonewalled them.) Had the thieves not paid for rush delivery of the credit card they opened in my name and THEN changed the address on the card, the card wouldn't have accidentally been delivered to me instead of to them. Then, they would have been able to run up a tab in my name and I would have been on the hook
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I was still me, but someone else was pretending to be me and, by doing so, was damaging my financial reputation. Thus, the value of "me" (financially) was put at risk. To use a car analogy, it would be as if someone "borrowed" your car every night when they knew you were asleep and returned it by the time you awoke. You still had full use of the car, but mysterious dings that "appeared" on the car would reduce the value of it.
As far as the representative being an accomplice, I don't think that was the ca
Book (Score:2)
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Parrot (Score:2)
Narcissism (Score:2)
Narcissistic Personality Disorder symptoms [mayoclinic.org] continued:
* Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Previously. [slashdot.org]
Textbook case (Score:2)
Oh that would be ... let's see ... fantasizing about success. [mayoclinic.org]
Narcissistic Personality Disorder. [psychcentral.com] But diagnosis is nothing compared to treatment. Do scroll down to the "When to see a doctor" and "Treatment" sections of those pages sometime.
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Err, no. No Pete, you got me. What was I thinking? Diagnosing personality disorders without a license. So - here's what you're gonna do. Print out all our correspondence, take it to your doctor (a good one, mind) and say "WTF is it with this gargledouche prick?" He'll take it from there. And I'm terrified of the consequences, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
Don't delay. Peace out.
Nothing to do with Nigeria (Score:2)
Seriously, how can everyone not know this?
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This might help explain all the "your cv is being attractive to us" spam I've been bombarded with recently. Maybe they're recruiting (perhaps unknowing) accomplices.
Checks (Score:5, Funny)
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I gladly accept Nigerian checks on CL. This way the scammers are out of FedEx/UPS fee and I add another fake check to my office collection.
Not a good idea. You are dealing with crooks who may or may not have accomplices near you and you are giving them a real address. Check out 419eater.com for safe ways to do that if you want to bait scammers.
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check writing equipment... (Score:5, Funny)
how did the scammers get professional check writing equipment? Did they buy it on craigslist with a fake check??
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'Professional check writing equipment' has been a laser printer and special toner for 20+ years now.
Not New (Score:2)
> they're using professional check-writing equipment plus U.S.-based accomplices to not raise suspicions among
> their victims
Funny I was just posting my little anecdote about these groups on slashdo recently ( http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ), not only does this jive exactly with my limited exposure to these gangs, but, I even got them to try and recruit me to thelp them. Thing is.... this was a room in my house....I have not been a landlord in several years, and this was several years before I sto
*sigh* A fool and their money... (Score:2)
Every grocery store and quickie-mart I go to that does wire transfer has signs, brochures, etc. warning you about all the most common scams, of which this one is most certainly on the list. Those that persist in not yet getting the memo that using WU/MG to send money to anybody you don't actually know is insane are beyond help.
Hint: Why would somebody send you a huge check and expect you to forward the money on to their "agent"? Why would they just not pay the "agent" themseleves?
You can't fix stupid... w
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The Tom Clancy solution (Score:2)
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Re:We need to carpet bomb Nigeria (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest scams happen on Wall Street - start there.
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Indeed.
"Main St. built America,
Wall St. destroyed America."
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Indeed.
"Main St. built America,
Wall St. destroyed America."
What America are you talking about? The one where you hope in your Chevrolet to go down to the McDonalds and get a Coke and a hamburger with delicious Heinz ketchup, all lit and powered by General Electric light bulbs and power plants. Is that all "Main St." to you? America is built by large corporations and those corporations get financing from Wall Street. There are people on Wall Street that will finance anything that they can and get so greedy for profit they don't realize how deep a hole they dug un
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Main St. refers to the Wild West.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... [wikipedia.org]
The time frame you are talking about is after 1920's -- far after America jumped the shark ~ 1819.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]
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Re:We need to carpet bomb Nigeria (Score:4, Funny)
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There's no such thing as IP spoofing on TCP/IP traffic. Get real.
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Not strictly true. You can do it easily if you are on the path normally taken to get to the spoofed IP. For example, see Linux TProxy.
The main constraint preventing it in the general case is the difficulty of guessing the sequence numbers.
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Nobody is on such path. As in, nobody who needs the money badly enough to spoof their IPs to pull off scams worth peanuts.
Re: We need to carpet bomb Nigeria (Score:2)
In this context, something like tor or a socks proxy would also qualify as spoofing ones IP address, and could throw an ICBM on the wrong track. Just saying.
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I think it is disingenuous to use the term "IP spoofing" to mean taking control over a part of the networking stack of another machine somewhere on the network. Because that's what a tor exit node software does. I think the real issue is that an IP address is not a personal identity, and can't be used a such.
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Not funny. I have a rich relative in Nigeria. He's sending me 6 million dollars.
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As tempting as that can be, there is an easier solution. In this digital age, it's inconceivable that an alert cannot be issued by the bank granting money based on these bogus checks. Checks should be immediately verifiable for NSF and for whether the account exists or not. If for, whatever reason, they are not immediately verifiable, the customer should be warned and payment should be postponed till verified. That this is still happening in the digital age, no one but the banks are at fault.
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Deregulation does not prevent fraud charges, or lawsuits. As if our laws apply in Nigeria...
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Deregulation does not prevent fraud charges, or lawsuits. As if our laws apply to the wealthy and well connected in the US...
There. FTFY.
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(Over) Regulation does not prevent fraud charges, or lawsuits.
Here is the deal, criminals are criminals. Period. All the rules and regulations in the world won't prevent them from being criminals.
IF you're making the case that regulation prevents crime, you're simply in error, it does not. Oftentimes it doesn't even prevent the crimes it was designed to prevent, it just adds an extra step in the criminal behavior. All the rules and regulations designed to prevent money laundering hasn't even put a dent in money laundering, it simply made it slightly more difficult. Me
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Here is the deal, criminals are criminals. Period. All the rules and regulations in the world won't prevent them from being criminals.
That's not true. In fact you're completely wrong. Criminals are not the Dr Evil types in the movies who just love doing bad stuff. It is precisely this thinking that makes solving the problem of criminal behaviour so tough. Criminals are usually regular people who simply found an opportunity to make some easy profit by breaking the rules. That's all it is. And the easiest fix is regulations to make compliance and easier path than defiance.
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ARPANET ringing any bells?
(that said, GP post is xenophobic trash, even if it's meant to be satire)
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Point taken. Anyway, prolly best not to feed this type of troll.
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Put it in context.
There is clearly an optimal level of regulation. 0% of the economy going to regulation compliance clearly isn't it. But 100% isn't it either.
How many pages/year of new regulation come out of DC? How many are removed from the books? You called out 'American style capitalism' specifically, but Europe is at least as fucked.
Someone needs a boot to the head. I saw them in a thread recently; calling for government regulation of airplane seat spacing.
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You know, I can't speak to the rest of this, but the airline industry has been steadily making seats smaller and smaller for a long time now.
Eventually, you reach a point where your seat is smaller than at least half of the population -- some seats are reaching the point where they barely fit your average teenager.
Throw in people who are deciding that they can choose whether or nor people can recline the seat they paid for ... and air travel has beco
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Assuming of course the airline actually publishes their seat sizes and seat pitch (and that that isn't just a best-case). And it assumes that there is another airline servicing your airport which gives you choice. And that it won't be a zillion times more expensive.
In my case, my shoulders are at about the physical limit of seat width in many economy seats -- I mean my actual skeleton here. And I'm not what I cons
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Not to mention that the airlines have a financial incentive to make the seats smaller beyond fitting more people in the plane. If the seats are small enough and a passenger is going to take up more than one seat, they can charge him for two seats' worth. This might not have seemed like a major issue when the seats fit 95% of passengers. However, if the seats wind up fitting only 50% of passengers, then half of the passengers are going to have to pay double to fly. And while "well those people should jus
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I was going to comment on how people aren't "freight", but I think that's where we're headed.
Soon people might go on diets before a trip not so they'll fit in that bathing suit better, but so they'll save some money on the pre-flight weigh-in.
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I'm 6'5" ... and former swimmer (broad shoulders).... Airline seats suck.
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Sure they suck. But would it suck worse for the government to mandate first class seats throughout?
There are _airplane_ models that I just won't fly on. Because the seats suck so bad. A large % of flight miles is by people who fly enough that market forces do work.
I'd still rather suck it up for 3-4 hours in cattle class + 1 TSA groping vs. 3 days on Amtrack. As soon as the Amtrack is behind schedule they put you on a plane anyhow.
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That's a bit of a false dichotomy. It's not "worst possible seats ever" versus "personal cocoon of comfort with hot towels".
Yes, airline travel is far more convenient than any other long distance travel. But there should be some minimum standard of passenger space and comfort.
If more than half the population physically cannot get into your seats, adjust their position, or cross and uncross their legs ... the
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don't forget paying $2.00 for a pillow or a blanket. How about charging $10 if you want to book your seat more than 24 hours in advance (so your child can sit next to you instead of some stranger, perhaps)... How about showing up 90 minutes before your flight instead of 30 minutes like you used to be able to do.. Getting groped at the gate... taking off your shoes and belt. Putting all of your valuables in a basket only to have it disappear out of sight while you wait to walk through a machine that will r
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The average seat width in the age of the Boeing 707 was 17", today it's 17.5".
Care to compare the average flight prices from the 70's (in adjusted dollars) to now?
We actually have the opposite problem, the population's arse size is growing.
A lot of airlines still have
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Deregulation does not equal misrepresenting your product.
Why, is there some sort of super, underegulable regulation that says you shouldn't misrepresent your product?
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Re:We need to carpet bomb Nigeria (Score:4, Funny)
It doesn't mean they can bottle piss and sell it as Sprite.
Well duh. The color is all wrong. You have to sell it as lemonade, Mello Yellow, Mountain Dew or something else with at least a vaguely similar coloration.