Australian Government Moving Forward With Anti-Piracy Mandate For ISPs 128
angry tapir (1463043) writes Australia is moving closer to a regime under which ISPs will be forced to block access to websites whose "dominant purpose" is to facilitate copyright violations. A secret government discussion paper (PDF) has been leaked and proposes a system of website blocking and expanded liability for ISPs when it comes to "reasonable steps that can be taken ... to discourage or reduce online copyright infringement."
Australia Deserves it. (Score:1, Informative)
Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government. Don't worry they'll keep you safe in your digital cage.
Re:Australia Deserves it. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Australia Deserves it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Good thing the government took their guns away first
Like all the gun-totin' cowboys in the US of A have made a difference.
Your corporates have stolen your economic future and sold it to themselves, your governement is all over you like a rash, your brothers, sisters, sons and daughters are sent to fake wars just to siphon a few trillion taxpayer dollars to corrupt military contractors, Every so-called security agency spies and blackmails you NSA, FBI, TSA, Police, Whatever, they're all out of your control. Lobbyists buy politicians to bring in SOPA/CISPA or whatever you're calling it this month etc etc,..
Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.
Weak.
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Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.
Weak.
Ammosexuals, the lot of 'em.
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What he tried to explain, and allow me to drive it home bluntly so it gets through some thick skulls: A right is pointless if you neither exercise it nor defend it. A right is never self serving. And whether you have it or not is not even being tested until you try to exercise it.
Essentially you can have any right, as long as you don't test it, you don't even know whether you'll really have it or not. Take the 3rd. Yes, the 3rd amendment. You know, the one where you needn't house soldiers. It's a bit silly
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I think the idea is to make it clear the military doesn't get to just run amok and do as they please.
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No. I'm pretty obviously not thinking of that.
Why is it that damn dear all the stupid bullshit I see on Slashdot is posted by ACs? Really. The correlation is remarkable.
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Considering we're currently pretty much constantly at war, it should be trivial to get around that amendment.
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Yeah, the war powers act has been in constant effect since Korea, since we never actually have NOT been at war with them since the 50s. No treaty has ever been signed. The government uses THIS to justify any and all things unconstitutional, like homeland security, spying on the people, or anything else that has made you say; "how can they do that?", since then. Now you know.
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A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.
The 3rd is reflective of the times during the Revolutionary War in which the Kings troops were billeted in houses of common people who were forced to feed and shelter their oppressors. This of course will also apply to domestic troops, police, NSA, or anyone in government. It was a concern once, who is to say i
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A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.
Sounds like someone sold you a rock that keeps bears away, and consequently you are sure that there can be no bears regardless of people pointing out bears on the street, in your garden, rifling through your trash.
I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is; I can sue the pants off them in court and make a public spectacle of them. I notice this right gets plenty of exercise.
You can't say what you like, to anyone at anytime. You probably never had that right, you certainly don't now. You just choose a subset of topics to discuss, to a subset of people, in a subset of times and places. Your own personal 'Free Speech Zone'. You are deluding yourself. Wake Up!
And lastl
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As for TFA, most people outside Australia and many inside of it do not understand why this is a perennial issue in parliament. Neither side are serious about these things, they use the issue purely for political gain in the senate.
Aussie
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Nope, my rock that keeps bears away is .45 cal. brass jacketed. Works good for prevention of home intrusion, car jacking, keeping the ex-wifes husband away, and any previous business associates polite and on point. Not much different than rattlesnakes, skunks and badgers, nothing ever really changes.
The fact is I DO say anything I want to to anyone. I always have. I know you are itching to pull out the bit about shouting " fire" in a crowded theater, but that actually constitutes a criminal attack and not f
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Works good for committing home intrusions, car jacking, keeping the ex-wifes husband away, and any previous criminal associates polite and on point. Not much different than rattlesnakes, skunks and badgers, nothing ever really changes.
Fixed.
The fact is I DO say anything I want to to anyone. I always have. I know you are itching to pull out the bit about shouting " fire" in a crowded theater, but that actually constitutes a criminal attack and not free speech at all.I do have free speech, how I use it is no different than how I use a car, a hammer or a weapon, all of which I am free to use as well.
Yes, you are a real law abiding thug aren't you. You didn't choose the whiteboy thuglife, the whiteboy thuglife chose you. You can say what you want, when you want - provided the what and when are on the list of permissable places and times set by the government. You're a real icon of liberty!
Knowing full well that police are just as able as any human to commit atrocities, they too may be put down. Granted, it may provide a sticky situation and legal entanglements, but in the right situation I would just as easily shoot a cop as a crackhead with a knife and bad intent.
Yes, I'm very turned on by your display of suburban badassery. You're the king of the thugs in my mind. Or perhaps you just look and sound like an idiot. Should I call you keazy? Are you gunna get your cinna on a [penny-arcade.com]
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Yes, as a matter of fact I am law abiding. Not a thug, but I can see you need to imagine cliches to pretend to have a life. Perhaps cutting down on television would be good for you.
I'm honestly sorry, Australia is such a boring place for you , that you have need to imagine such, but, It's easy to sense from your replies that you neither have a clue, nor will you ever be able to get one. Fortunately for you, I bear no animosity and as a longtime supporter of charities for the autistic and retarded, I can re
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Yes, as a matter of fact I am law abiding.
Well, for now at least. But I guess that the idea of shooting a police officer gives you an erection - does it not? And the mention of the wife's ex-husband, do you feel a surge of pleasure in your genitals at the thought of pointing a gun at him? Does the idea of evening the odds make you want to masturbate?
And do you act out these fantasies? Do you seek out those special places on the web for people with your dark pleasures?
Do ever you post similar diatribes on facebook, blaming women for your lonel
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I dream of crossing the walk against the light. So far I have avoided this. But you never know, some Aussie will come along and distract me and there I'll be; on my back in the hospital with some Aussie wanting a relationship.
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I think if you try goatse.cx in the wayback machine, you'll find your hearts desire.
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For some reason you thought that implying that i like distended anu
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Of course my sidearm will help protect my liberties. Me and every gun owning person, at that.
Yes, I do say whatever I like to whomever I like.
I never said I killed a cop, I said; if the case warranted it, I would kill a cop as easily as anyone threatening my life.
Never changed my mind, I abide by any laws that do not conflict with my integrity or religion.
Feel free to clean my boots and there's a tip in it for you boy.
You're odd enough, I figure distended anuses would make you feel right at home.
Nope, the r
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Of course my sidearm will help protect my liberties. Me and every gun owning person, at that.
You and your gun slinging pals are the reason why America, once proud and free, is now under the jackboot of tyranny.
Yes, I do say whatever I like to whomever I like, provided the government approves the time and place, and what I actually say.
Fixed.
I never said I killed a cop, I said; if the case warranted it, I would kill a cop as easily as anyone threatening my life.
You said you wanted to, and that in the event that you did, that your mates would pervert the course of justice to ensure that you went free. You're a delusional psycho.
Never changed my mind, I abide by any laws that do not conflict with my integrity or religion.
Ah right. And what does your religion say about shooting cops and members of the armed forces? Going postal on previous criminal associates? Can you quote the relevant section from your holy texts?
When pressed about this, you suddenly changed your mind and claimed to be straight up and law abiding: "No need to worry about ME saying the wrong thing - no sir! Clean your boots for you sir?"
Feel free to clean my boots and there's a tip in it for you boy.
I'm not a boy, but than
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LOL you are so obsessed with firearms and the fears in your head, you are like some guy in a 3 panel comic.
You obviously know nothing about the United States or the people therein. It's preventing you from thinking logically or rationally, therefore everything you say comes out crap. My poor Aussie friend, YOU live in a fantasyland and your posts only prove it. The side effect of your efforts turns out to be invincible ignorance, for which there is no cure, except for the ones around you, and that is to ign
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LOL you are so obsessed with firearms and the fears in your head, you are like some guy in a 3 panel comic.
Just presenting you with facts. You choose to deny rather than refute. Not my problem.
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Nope, it's called self defense, standing your ground, protecting yourself. Vigilantism would have me hunting down the offender and torching his house with his family inside.
Big difference. Get over your whiny self.
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LOL, yeah.
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Re: Australia Deserves it. (Score:4, Informative)
http://mobile.philly.com/news/... [philly.com]
Here ya go. Happened a couple days ago. Patiant came into a hospital and started shooting. It was a gun-free zone but one of the doctors had his gun anyway and killed the guy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki... [wikipedia.org]
And also there you go. A group of people stood up against a branch of the federal government for something they believe in. No shots were fired, but they were prepared to. The BLM backed off.
Obviously these aren't the only ones. But they should satisfy your criteria.
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Now why would that matter? Seriously. Why would it?
If you planned to overthrow government with armed forces, I somehow don't think "gee, I'm not allowed to have a gun, let's forget about it" is the train of thought you'd follow...
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Why do you think they put programs in place to break up minority families?
What?
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I read a lot of right-wing websites, and yet I still can't figure out what he means. Some sort of criticism of social security, I would guess.
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I wouldn't be too sure of that: Tory MP says astrology is good for the health [telegraph.co.uk] "David Tredinnick, a member of Commons committees on health and science, says Britain should look to the stars to improve the nation's health"
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I can only agree. Swindling idiots out of their money is easy work with little stress and guaranteed to not result in burn out.
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Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government.
Well, then most of my fellow citizens in the US definitely deserve the oppressive government we have. But what about the ones who are actually trying to change things? The problem is, you often get stuck with the government that other people deserve.
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Yeah, being repressed sucks [youtube.com].
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I was born on the great antipodean continent, I live there also. I don't, however, consider myself Australian. Being an Australian implies membership of a body-politic, which implies supplicating to politicians and their sycophants. I don't do that.
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Fellow Australian here. What rights would they be and in what founding document can I find them?
Those rights mostly existed before the founding of the colonies, let alone the federation of the nation.
The documents are many, starting with the Magna Carta. [wikipedia.org]
Re: Australia Deserves it. (Score:1)
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Lol such a small population to be concerned about.
Futile? Yes.
Done to just appease commercial interests? Probably.
Futile? Yes.
Repeat.
It is futile but it does mean that in the meantime I will have to start using proxies to access websites (giving copyright owners the ability to block websites citing copyright infringement does not end at blocking torrent sites) and having to deal with potential issues while downloading legitimate content. It also means that ISPs here might turn to hobbling bittorrents and the likes to help themselves stay within the laws...
Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (Score:5, Informative)
Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.
Captcha: snuffer
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Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.
Captcha: snuffer
Tony Abbot is a wonderful man. I love him. Stop saying such terrible things about him!
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I guess with the right sauce and wine he might be bearable...
Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (Score:5, Informative)
Uncle Rupert owns the content. Uncle Rupert owns our pay tv network. Uncle Rupert discourages FTTH.
Follow the money.
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Stop calling him that.
Why, is he a bad uncle? ;)
Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (Score:5, Interesting)
What more can an isp be commanded do? Deep packet inspection for rar files as downloaded?
The long term logging of all users by isp to be automatically cross referenced with p2p tracking industry groups?
Issue a decree that Australian banks and related credit card products are not to pay for VPN or other encrypted services that hide users from their Australian isp?
Then have laws ready to send end users identified by the tame isp after the 2nd letter for state-mandated copyright awareness counseling?
A ban on the internet for users caught again? Or users kept away from the internet for a few months or years?
After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like.
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One Australia wide warrant for all p2p users then?
Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
Will all the AV brands selling in Australia be e
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So... then you'll need pirated AV from abroad to defend against the governmental spying?
It's worse than in the US, actually...
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Read what the US gov could do in the first 10 page pdf:
"amend the law to create a felony penalty for unauthorized Internet streaming. Specifically, we recommend the creation of legislation to establish a felony charge for infringement through unauthorised public performances conducted for commercial advantage or private financial gain,”"
and for the international friends:
"diplomatic and trade-based pressure"
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Of course not but it doesn't matter. They just want an excuse to put figarative heads on pikes of those caught to show that something is being done.
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Just wait 'til the P2P index page gets public. Then it doubles as a "where to go for content" list.
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TheBiggestOffender (Score:1)
They are going to block google search and youtube? The two largest offenders..
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If we can somehow throw in Facebook I bet that should piss off the NSA enough to label Aussieland some axis of evil candidate.
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They'll only block sites that don't have the money to put up a fight.
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We learned that it's pointless to protest peacefully.
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Non-peaceful protest would have been no more effective. The US has settled into a state where the people are given an effective illusion of influence, and some real power over minor issues, but kept away from interfering with those who actually run the country. The tea party movement was no more effective, and for the same reason.
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Well, at the current moment too many people still buy into the illusion of freedom. It took quite long for the East Bloc to collapse as well. What it takes is the majority of people realizing it, not just a select few who manage to see past the show created to keep them complacent.
That takes time. In the end of the East Bloc, the difference between the show and the illusion created for the people and the reality they faced every day grew out of proportion. We're not at that point yet. People still believe w
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COINTELPRO has never worked so well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
As for Australia, watching all law reform groups is trivial for the police and security services.
The traction the anti Vietnam war draft movement had in Australia will never be allowed to build for any issue.
VPN (Score:1)
As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it.
Personally, I've got a $4.00 per month VPN. Let's see, what country shall my computer be in today... :-)
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"As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it."
And the amount of money to a\work around it. Like in France, where people are massively shifting to VPN.
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Control (Score:2)
"Tackling Piracy" is the cover story, but it's just for the government to grab control of the free internet. A little bit at the time, they come up with reasons to censor this, ban that, people too stupid to see what is happening. Until one day, you have nothing left of the internet as we know it today.
huh (Score:2)
Did anyone notice that *they* used the correct term "copyright infringement" while the story submitter used the incorrect term "piracy" ? It's usually the opposite happening.
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What's incorrect about the term "piracy"? Its been used to refer to copyright infringement for hundreds of years.
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Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
The fact that it's been in lexicon for all this time doesn't make the implicit allegations an
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Ahh, that bullshit.
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Correct, incorrect... language changes. Better to reclaim the word as a symbol of pride, as The Pirate Bay does.
I've given up most hope of ever reclaiming 'hacker' now, though.
They can't stop boats... (Score:2)
...let alone packets.
Corporate Australia hates competition (Score:1)
They made a mess last time they tried ... (Score:3)
Last time, the then Labor government insisted that the two biggest ISPs put blocks in place, even though the legislation didn't get through the parliament.
The end result: amongst others, a school tuck-shop (canteen) got blocked. Those nefarious parents were maliciously placing orders for kids lunches online!
And, less than a day after it started, school kids could tell you how to bypass the blocks.
I've never pirated a movie, for the lack of bandwidth, and the lack of desire. I've never pirated music ... much the same reasons.
I've got a 30GB a month ADSL2+ connection, and better things to do with it.
But I resent the huge amount of bullshit that governments and movie and music companies put out about piracy, to the point where I won't even buy discs of either until they fall off the "peak interest" of being the latest thing out. When it's cheap, I'll think about buying it.
A lot of the time I won't buy it even then as a direct result of the crap that they all spout.
Who's Your Daddy?!! (Score:3)
Australia is obliged under its free trade agreements with the United States, Singapore and Korea (not yet ratified) to provide a legal incentive to ISPs to cooperate with rights holders to prevent infringement on their systems and networks.
And, ladies and gentlement, there you have it. Again. Completely bypassing the democratic process, FTA's trump national legislation. And anyone that thinks that Singapore and Korea are actually the ones pressing Australia to ramp up their pro-copyright industry efforts is naive. It's just a little smokescreen. So Who's Your Daddy?!! Good ole Uncle Sam (MPAA/RIAA/USTR) is. Bend over, and take it like a man Aussies!