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France Revokes Ability To Disconnect Convicted File-Sharers From the Internet 97

New submitter Nicolas Jondet writes "French courts will not be able to disconnect convicted file-sharers from the Internet anymore. On Tuesday, the French Culture minister issued a decree modifying the graduated response scheme and removing the disconnection penalty. 'The report says that instead of simply disconnecting users, those suspected of copyright could be fined if they did not reply to warnings, with a relatively low fine (€60) to begin, and the size of the fine would increase depending on the number of infractions. French anti-piracy will now their focus – instead of handing heavy punishments to individual users, the government is looking towards penalizing "commercial piracy" and "sites that profit from pirated material," according to an official spokesperson.'"
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France Revokes Ability To Disconnect Convicted File-Sharers From the Internet

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  • For once... (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    France shows more sense than most governments!!

    +5 for France on this one.
    -2000000 if they surrender within 3 days to the RIAA/MPAA terrorists.

    • Re:For once... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @10:30PM (#44233663)

      I find your comment entertaining since it calls an entire country as cowards thus continuing a meme my peers have celebrated with many laughings, HOHO! I want to join with their laughings to reinforce my sense of self worth by pretending I AM TEH USA, HAHA! I know nothings of history for that is for the fags.

      • by LoRdTAW ( 99712 )

        Are you sure anon was from the USA or is that your knee jerk reaction to people stereotyping the French? Anonymous Coward indeed.

  • Do they mean...? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt@nerdflat.cBLUEom minus berry> on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @10:42PM (#44233729) Journal
    Will they increase the fine, as they say, with the actual number of infractions? Or do they really mean they'll increase it with the number of allegations?
    • Or maybe *I* am misunderstanding it. 2013-596 says "Objet : infraction de négligence caractérisée ; abrogation de la peine complémentaire de suspension de l'accÃs à un service de communication au public en ligne" and " III de l'article R. 335-5 du code de la propriété intellectuelle. "

      But 355-5 is "Article R335-5 Créé par Décret nÂ2010-695 du 25 juin 2010 - art. 1 I.-Constitue une n
  • Can you write in English?
  • by JabrTheHut ( 640719 ) on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @10:57PM (#44233827)
    Then expect Disney's web site to be targeted, for a start. Actually, all the major movie studios' unoriginal and uninspiring copies of each other should make them targets of this law.
    • I know you're just having fun, but (a) plagiarism of storyline has been a fundamental part of storytelling since prehistory, and (b) even if there were laws against being unoriginal, all of the source material is long out of copyright!
  • Um, all piracy is commercial, and almost always involves some kind of lethal weaponry. If no money changes hands and/or the transaction is consensual, then it ain't piracy. Copyright is piracy. It takes money, heavy weaponry, and coercion to make it work.

    • by artor3 ( 1344997 )

      By that logic, all laws are "piracy", since they take money and weapons to enforce. When it comes down to it, it's impossible to have any laws if you don't ultimately have the threat of force to back them up. And if you have no laws, the strongest people will conquer the weak, set up kingdoms and empires, and make laws, just like they did in the beginning.

      • The strongest do conquer the weak and continue to set up kingdoms and empires. They write the laws. What is your point?

        • by artor3 ( 1344997 )

          That in modern society, it's done by voting, and while the current system may not be ideal, it beats the hell out of rampaging armies raping and enslaving and murdering everyone in their way.

          • beats the hell out of rampaging armies raping and enslaving and murdering everyone in their way.

            Where do you think the term "French Benefits" came from.

          • We don't need "rampaging armies raping and enslaving and murdering everyone in their way". We have the CIA (Al Qaeda) and KGB (or whatever they call themselves now) for that, and it's outsourced to the locals. Your 'modern society' is a crumbling facade. When the rulemakers refuse to live by the rules, then all bets are off.

            • by artor3 ( 1344997 )

              Blah, blah, blah. Keep stamping your little feet. Humanity is far, far, far better off now than we were a thousand years ago, and we're not gonna let your kind drag us backwards. If you try, we'll just lock you away in a little concrete box and forget about you. Progress marches on!

              • Humanity is far, far, far better off now than we were a thousand years ago...

                Yes, I'm sure that your little part is much better than before. Nobody's trying to 'drag you backwards'. We're only going to keep trying to eliminate your privileged status, and despite your best efforts to obstruct us we are going to 'drag ourselves forwards', break out of your concrete boxes, and toss aside your emperor. Progress marches on, and will leave you behind.

    • Gaps! a law against being none original would be the end of story making. Have you read tvtropes lately? (or at all?) It's virtually impossible to make a story without using a trope already used dozen of times (and I'm being optimistic). It would be even worst than software patent.

  • by devent ( 1627873 ) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @05:00AM (#44235449) Homepage

    The report says that instead of simply throwing people in jail those suspected of stealing could be fined if they did not reply to warnings, with a relatively low fine (€60) to begin, and the size of the fine would increase depending on the number of infractions. (change mine)

    Ah brave new world. And some people are asking me why I have such strong opinion on copyright. Because to serve a few special interests we throw every common sense out the window, we criminalize whole demographics for a crime that have no impact on anything. We reward monopolies, stifle our culture and create legal frameworks that would be just brain-dead for any real property.

    The new government agency is headed by a board of nine members, three appointed by the government, two by the legislative bodies, three by judicial bodies and one by the Conseil supérieur de la propriété littéraire et artistique (Superior Council of Artistic and Literary Property), a government council responsible to the French Ministry of Culture.[15] The agency is vested with the power to police Internet users.

    So you have some people, 6 from the current legislative, 3 from the judicial to "police Internet users". You know, normally the power to "police" is given to the executive, the judicial are the courts and assume innocent before proven guilty and the legislative forging out the laws. This is usually called "Separation of powers".

    To ensure that internet subscribers "screen their internet connections in order to prevent the exchange of copyrighted material without prior agreement from the copyright holders"

    Ah ok. So I am suppose to know in advance that the web site have the copyrights to present me the content? How am I suppose to do that? How am I suppose to know if the work is already in public domains, is licensed under a free license like the Creative Commons [] which about over 100,000,000 works are using the CC license or the site have some contract with the publisher?

    (1) An email message is sent to the offending internet access subscriber, derived from the IP address involved in the claim. The email specifies the time of the claim but neither the object of the claim nor the identity of the claimant.

    What email address are they using? My gmail address? My company address? My hotmail or yahoo address? There is no law that requires me to register an email address with the government.

    I could go on. You can read more: []
    This bill stinks. It is a shame for a democratic country. It is a shame for Europe.

  • "...those suspected of copyright could be fined..."

    Is the idiot who wrote this suggesting that if I copyright something I could be fined?

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