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Bill Regulating 3D Printed Guns Announced In NYC 322

New submitter BioTitan writes "New York City may be the first state to crack down on 3D printed guns. Two pieces of legislation were introduced on June 13, one in the City Council that only allows licensed gunsmiths to print the guns, and another in the State Assembly that would make it illegal for anyone to print a gun. Cody Wilson, creator of the first 3D printed guns, and founder of Defense Distributed, told The Epoch Times, 'Such legislation is a deprivation of equal protection and works in clear ignorance of Title I and II of U.S. gun laws.'"
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Bill Regulating 3D Printed Guns Announced In NYC

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  • by Custard Horse ( 1527495 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @08:45AM (#43994333)
    They're just shooting from the tip..
    • by c0lo ( 1497653 )
      WTF? to crack down on 3D printed guns? Is gun 3D printing so pervasive already?
      I'm yet to hear/see/read reports of self-injuries/deaths cause by exploding plastic guns, and the very existence of the Darwin awards shows that stupidity in not as rare in this world as one (still Bloomberg?) would like us to think.
      • Re:to be expected (Score:5, Insightful)

        by PoliTech ( 998983 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:10AM (#43995229) Homepage Journal
        The biggest danger is that the 3D printed gun can anger the totalitarian regime in which you live, causing the regime to imprison or kill you.
  • They should wish that the only gun people could have is the 3d printed gun known as the liberator. 1 shot .380.... I believe that is what the government is ultimatley trying to whittle our gun rights down to. 1 shot useless calibers
    • by MrDoh! ( 71235 )
      Totally, they should be pushing for these useless hunks of plastic!
    • Don't dismiss a .380 as a useless caliber. At close range it will penetrate, you may not have stopping power but then again nicking the femoral artery would take one how long to bleed out?

      As concealable as a .380 is you could get very close to your intended target.
      • by cod3r_ ( 2031620 )
        Yeah i should reword to say as a 1shot gun it becomes useless. I do like the .380 for concealed weapons, but not as a primary defense caliber.
  • State? (Score:5, Funny)

    by sanosuke001 ( 640243 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @08:53AM (#43994393)
    "New York City may be the first state"? Thats like watching a game show where the contestant is asked for a country in Europe that is fancy and them saying London or Paris.
    • "New York City may be the first state"? Thats like watching a game show where the contestant is asked for a country in Europe that is fancy and them saying London or Paris.

      I did have an american ask me is Wales was a city in London a few years ago (and yes, he was dead serious...)

  • by FunkyLich ( 2533348 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @08:56AM (#43994417)

    Well well. So there is this piece of legislation that will make it illegal to 3d-print a gun.

    So now I wonder, what is and whether it will be altered or 'revised', the definition of: Gun. One needs not a gun to harm someone else. Illegalising the 3d-printing of Guns as we now think of guns, will only add one more law to the ocean of Laws and will only marginally solve the problem it is setting out to solve.

  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @08:57AM (#43994419) Journal
    I can legally manufacture my own firearms in the US. So can most of you. I can make them, own them, and use them.

    The only thing I can't legally do? Sell them.

    So I could legally manufacture a more-or-less perfect replica of the gun used in Newtown. But New York gets its knickers in a knot over someone printing out a single-shot low-pressure piece of crap?

    Dear politicians - We all know you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag. But can you at least prioritize the crap on which you waste our tax dollars?
    • by h4rr4r ( 612664 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @09:07AM (#43994497)

      Actually you can sell them once you no longer want them. You can't make them with the intent to sell, but you can use sale as a method to dispose of them when you are done with them.

    • I think it's for the people of New York City to decide how New York City wastes its tax dollars. I think Bloomberg is a pompous ass, but that's not really any of my business because I live in a different state.
      • by pla ( 258480 )
        I think it's for the people of New York City to decide how New York City wastes its tax dollars.

        In general, sure. When it comes to doing things explicitly banned by the US constitution, not so much, because it means you and I, in other states, will have to pay to process this BS through the federal court system.
    • This will be the interesting point... Will it be legal to sell/share the control files that you feed into a 3d printer to print a gun?
    • by IndustrialComplex ( 975015 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @09:32AM (#43994719)

      But can you at least prioritize the crap on which you waste our tax dollars?

      Don't worry, they do. It's just that your choice of priority depends on your final goal.

      If your goal is a reduction in gun violence, you might prioritize efforts to reduce poverty, unemployment, and parents lacking time to be parents.

      If your goal is to ban firearms, you prioritize the efforts which are achievable in small bite-sized portions.

      • by pla ( 258480 )
        If I hadn't already posted here, you'd get my mod points. +5 "completely gets it".
    • So I could legally manufacture a more-or-less perfect replica of the gun used in Newtown.

      I'm pretty sure you couldn't, certainly not without about ten years of practice and $100K worth of equipment. Of course after all that time and practice you'd probably be considerably wiser and realise that there's no point.

      • by pla ( 258480 )
        I'm pretty sure you couldn't, certainly not without about ten years of practice and $100K worth of equipment.

        An actual clone of a Bushmaster .223, you have a fair point. Not going to just pop out a frame and barrel, file down a working action, and call it good.

        A crude-but-functional high(er than .380)-caliber magazine fed semiautomatic pistol, though? Lookin' at machinery that costs less than current low-end 3d printers (an entry metal lathe will set you back around $600, and the rest you can rough o
  • by imadork ( 226897 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @08:57AM (#43994423) Homepage
    Please keep in mind that New York City is not it's own state. And the rest of the state is pretty steamed about the recent gun legislation that the Governor jammed through the state legislature. Some upstate sheriffs have even gone so far as to say they will not enforce that legislation, which is a pretty big step for law enforcement to come out and state in public. Gun rights are a twitchy subject here right now, I find it hard to think of any upstate politician who would support any restriction on 3d printing right now.
  • was to circumvent crap like this. 2nd amendment protection, even when it's being attacked aggressively.

  • by aglider ( 2435074 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @09:15AM (#43994563) Homepage
    I mean, to me a 3d printed gun is like any weapon you can build at home or in the garage.
    Is a weapon that doesn't follow the "normal" market chain.
    So they also should regulate, say, hand made knives, archery and even deadly traps.
    It looks to me just like a govt response to a buzzword. Just to let people know "we are watching over you".
  • Doesn't matter (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @09:16AM (#43994575)

    The point of 3D printed guns is to be able to ignore such legislation if need be. In general, such laws could be anticipated, but are known to be mostly irrelevant.

    To put this into another perspective - its currently illegal to download pirated music and movies off the internet. Not proposed legislation, not "we're thinking about it" - it's already 100% against the law. How effective is that?

    Another example: its current illegal in nearly every state to possess, grow, or smoke marijuana - yet a significant chunk of the population ends up trying it at some point because when you get right down to it, the shit grows out of the fucking dirt.

    3D printed guns are much the same. They're there not just to make it easy to make a gun, but to make laws against it ineffective. The government and politicians can stamp their feet, pound their gavel, and pass whatever laws they way - but if We The People still want a gun, we'll have them - and there's nothing they can do about it.

    • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

      Thing Is, I can make a metal handgun faster than anyone can 3d print one. and that is using common hand tools. No the barrel will not be rifled, but that does not matter if you are within a few yards of your target. IF you have advanced tools like a drill press with a XY table, you can actually machine parts to make a semi auto from blocks of metal.

  • Don't forget - the batshit crazy folks have a right to print guns too...because...well they have a right to protect themselves just like the rest, don't they?

  • This will work.

    Why? Because the sort of person who would shoot school children or rob a convenience store will of course obey these laws.

  • Instead of dealing with the problem they just do the ban everything method. Perfect for the no IQ crowd like the leaders of NYC..

    Why don't they talk to large city leaders elsewhere about what works? They are simply doing what Chicago does, and Chicago is a complete failure.

  • i can see the headline on Slashdot in 2018ish

    "First all 3d printed gun test fired 10k rounds"

    Yesterday Crunktech successfully fired the Liberator V6 with 10k rounds. This was made possible by use of the new Super Goop with microwave activated hardening..."

    but these PoliCritters need to understand the following

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

  • by BoRegardless ( 721219 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:07AM (#43995173)

    No gunsmith or criminal in his right mind would want a 3D rapid prototype "printed" gun.

    Any sane criminal wants a real top notch machined steel gun that WORKS every time the trigger is pulled. And that criminal knows how to buy or steal one in an hour or two versus many days for a 3D RP gun (& I don't understand what they use for a barrel, unless they use laser sintered stainless steel or titanium for the barrel and then finish machine it or it will be truly worthless in aim and firepower.)

  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @11:19AM (#43996179) Journal

    Geez, if I can't print a shitty zip-gun, I guess I'll just have to take 5 mins to MAKE one out of some pipe, a rubber band, a tack, and if I'm feeling fancy, wood for a handle.

    Certainly none of these is available at the local hardware store!
    I feel safer already.

    Fucking morons.

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