Russia Wanted To Shut YouTube Down For Piracy 122
ge7 writes "A recently leaked confidential diplomatic cable reveals Russia's growing interest in shutting down copyright infringing websites. 'Russia's Deputy Minister of Economic Development said that not only do U.S. sites continue to offer pirated Russian movies, but that YouTube and Google should be shut down for not respecting local laws'. The U.S. government has previously attacked torrent and link sites hosted elsewhere in the world, extradited foreign nationals for piracy and provided training on how to shut down piracy websites. 'Voskresenskiy went on to state that, in his opinion, no country in the world is prepared to fight Internet piracy. He argued that all existing laws, including laws in the U.S., are antiquated and do not address new technological trends. As an example, [Voskresenskiy] stated that YouTube and Google (as YouTube's owner) should be shut down because they do not conform to current Russian IPR laws. He admitted that this was not feasible, but continued to emphasize that these entities need to follow local laws, even if the laws are outdated,' the cable adds."
Modern tech. (Score:2)
. Yep, Google Translate just proved that irony exists in Russian too.
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I guess Cyrillic doesn't work on Slashdot though. *sighs*
Re:Modern tech. (Score:5, Funny)
In Soviet Russia the US violates your copyrights.
I guess.
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"hypocrisy" would be even more fitting. Why not coin a new word even, "Hypiracy"...
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Questions (Score:2)
1. Russia makes movies?
2. Someone in America wants to watch them?
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yes, and yes.
Guys I spent about 10 years learning Russian - so I was a language fan, for a while.
It's true - what they are saying, Russian TV and Movies are blatantly distributed on YouTube.
I can't believe you all are using the word hypocrisy. Don't you get it? You are the hypocrites.
You are in Russia's business all the time about supposed IP violations, while not caring, knowing about, or doing anything to stop piracy of Russian movies.
You are surprised they noticed?
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Meanwhile in Russia... (Score:3, Insightful)
Clean up yer own shit before crying about the US, Vosk. You have one hell of a dirty house.
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Re:Meanwhile in Russia... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Meanwhile in Russia... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Trust me , i'm sure that $0 copy is much much safer.
All you have to do is read the comments section. If it says 'VIRUS' , 'confirmed VIRUS' , then you pretty much know not to download it.
In other words, you have a complete community out there who is filtering the bad the stuff , and thus improving the quality enormous.
And the way bittorent works , that which is really good will be shared the most.
Try getting that for your $1 copy.
Copy of Photoshop (Score:2)
For some reason I dont trust the $1 copy of Photo Shop to be free of malicious additions.
If a $1 "copy of Photoshop"* bears the digital signature of the GIMP team, then I'll probably trust it.
* In the SCO sense that Linux is a copy of UNIX.
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It's okay, the same guy can sell you Norton Anti-Virus for another $1.
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But then again, I don't know a single person that has original Photoshop, because the price is absurd. How is it acceptable that an image editing software costs almost as much as an entire computer?
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I think the main point here is that U.S. should clean up their own shit first. Like he said "that this was not feasible". U.S. has a long history of attacking Russia and other countries for copyright theft while ignoring that U.S. itself has the same problems. Russia here seems to understand that, U.S. doesn't.
I'm sorry, it's become rather impossible to see your point here. The thick fog of irony over .ru standing up and bitching about piracy and copyright still has most of us reeling here, postulating between utter disbelief and uncontrollable laughter.
In the battle to prove who needs to clean up who's shit first or more...sorry .ru, but you lost long ago with that one.
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I'd say the point holds on both sides. Whatever country your from, you should sort out your own issues before telling other countries, otherwise we enter a situation where it's countries telling each other "Do as I say, not as I do.
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I'd say the point holds on both sides. Whatever country your from, you should sort out your own issues before telling other countries, otherwise we enter a situation where it's countries telling each other "Do as I say, not as I do.
You mean like when politicians consume thousands of gallons of jet fuel and generate tons of CO2 to fly their entire "ensemble" all around the world to talk to other countries about how we should all be more "green"?
You bring a very good point, but I'd say the problem tends to start and end with the overinflated egos of our elected officials, especially as their efforts tend to shift from public representation to personal gain. Happens all the damn time.
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I think the main point here is that U.S. should clean up their own shit first. Like he said "that this was not feasible". U.S. has a long history of attacking Russia and other countries for copyright theft while ignoring that U.S. itself has the same problems. Russia here seems to understand that, U.S. doesn't.
Copyright theft is so much more blatant in Russia and many other countries (China) than it is in the US. Also, I am willing to bet that US companies (Hollywood) lose way more money due to international copyright theft than do Russian ones. So your logic doesn't really hold.
Nothing is stopping the Russians from blocking any offending websites. They can be just like the Chinese... lock down the internet and then profit from selling pirated DVDs.
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Also, last time I checked, Youtube does not post videos on its own, and has a very easy way to report illegal videos. If Russia is so concerned about Youtube, perhaps they need to start reporting the videos and have them removed...
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...there are an unholy amount of crooks cranking out malware, extortionware, and everything else under the sun for profit, not to mention PLENTY of people hosting and even selling pirated goods.
Clean up yer own shit before crying about the US, Vosk. You have one hell of a dirty house.
Ah but those people are paying them to be ignored, these dirty American corporations haven't given their "donations" yet.
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...not only do U.S. sites continue to offer pirated Russian movies, but that YouTube and Google should be shut down for not respecting local laws'
Well, how do you like THEM apples. Speaking of apples, or at least Apple Corps Ltd. [wikipedia.org] it doesn't feel so good to be on the other side, no? If they want to criticize US-based companies for not respecting local laws, maybe they should look at sites like this [mp3fiesta.com], which I believe is the former AllofMP3.
I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, but man, this is the pot calling the kettle black. I guess in Soviet Russia, YouTube pirates you!
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I guess in Soviet Russia, they can't figure out how to report videos?
Maybe they need to watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJcf-MTX8g [youtube.com]
This is the culprit (Score:2)
This seems to be the main violation they refer to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8 [youtube.com]
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Cables = Commentary on Society, not Leaders (Score:3, Interesting)
Humanity if very quickly approaching the point at which we will have to restructure not just our political systems, but our society and our economy as a species. I doubt we make it out of this century as anything other than a sad afterimage if we don't.
The fact that people do not believe such a thing is "realistic" only further highlights how bent on self-destruction humans are. We have collectively decided to let our non-cognitive processes guide our decision making, and then we created social structures to reinforce that process. Are people honestly surprised that we are burning out our energy reserves, that we have huge gaps in wealth, that we have enough food to feed everyone but don't do it, or that we constantly make decisions which provide no way to plan for the consequences of our choices?
That is the expected outcome of our society as it is right now, and it is not our leaders that are responsible, it is you and it is me and it is them. Species scale problems cannot be solved by or blamed on one group, one person, or one class. If they make the wrong decisions it is because you and me let them. If they try to make the right decisions but are stopped, that is also our fault.
But fault and blame solve no problems, provide no solutions, and give us no answers. So if you really, truly, desire to see change within our society, the most productive thing you can do to bring that about it so end your own hypocrisy and embody the wisdom that you feel you can explain to others. Once you understand what the solution is, you either start working on bringing it about, or you are part of the problem.
Sometimes I wish I'd been born in a different time... it seems that my generation, and those before me, have decided to subsist through our existence like a blind drunkard wandering through a dream. One day maybe. I hope. But right now, the things revealed by the cables on Wikileaks do not surprise me. If they surprise you, ask yourself if there was really any other possibility within our society for the things we now learn of. This is the society we all asked for, don't act surprised when you find out we got it.
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What you can do is embody the wisdom that you have. You go through life, and you learn what consequences choices have, and whether or not those choices are inherent or derived. That is, whether or not the
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"Species level problems" really don't have much to do with the possible shutdown of Youtube.
You should voice your concerns on a Youtube video!
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1. The possible shutdown of YouTube because of IP laws.
2. The greater topic of the WikiLeaks cables that have been released.
I chose to talk about the second. I guess most of Slashdot agrees with you though, since my post was modded Offtopic.
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I have a couple Ideas: Just Ideas I maybe wrong
Governance:
I think transparency is the key every thing should be revealed eventually including reasoning. Everybody is corruptible and fallible so politicians need to be aware that they will be judged eventually (some things need to be secret for now but not for ever). But along with transparency we need the public to be more accepting of failure and mistakes from our politicians they are just human no better or worse than we are.
Economy.
I believe sharing is t
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You're right about the problem and right that something needs to change.
The problem is how you go about organising and managing that sort of change and the fact is, current governing structures are the best we've managed to implement so far.
Your solution is fantasy, you suggest that if as an individual you figure out "the solution", then you should work to implement that. You seem to miss the point that there's another 6.5bn people out there also trying to implement their ownh, often different and opposing
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I stated several times that the human race doesn't appear ready for this. But it will become a necessity. I do not see it as fantasy, it is an eventuality. It may not happen in my lifetime, but it wi
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I think you're assuming it's a social issue that can be solved through education, rather than an inherent issue with human psychology.
The fundamental point is that we might in fact well die back somewhat, that is a natural result of every other species that exists when it becomes populated beyond a sustainable point, in fact we've even seen it happen with the human race before. So many wars have been the result of a battle for resources where one group felt desperate enough to risk their lives to acquire gr
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I guess that's what it really comes down to. I don't think that modifying the gene pool drastically is a good idea either, but I think that the human cognitive process is capable of understanding certain things. Because of that, I believe that we can take all the basic personality types and change the frame of reference, the paradigm, to something more useful or harmonious.
If not... I hope we s
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I don't think it's that we're not sentient, I think it's that the universe is an unimaginably complex chaotic system and we can't possibly know what has an effect on what.
We don't recognise that we have natural tendencies that seem irrational but hold a perfectly valid evolutionary reason for it's existence.
Part the problem is also that some of these things touch on sensitive areas which are simply too taboo for any scientist hoping to have a career lasting more than 5 minutes to study. There's of course th
No. (Score:2)
Laws are like contracts (both are subsets of rules) - with very little effort (easier with less effort, actually), you can very simply create laws that are nearly impossible to follow or obey... except for a few people who the law was written to support.
Obeying all laws, in all countries is like obeying any contract anyone in the world would have you sign. It's going to end up excluding everyone from everything once you mix them all together.
Laws are important - they are what define what is important for a
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Politicians have been struggling with this since the dawn of the Internet, it's like extending the "If I stand on Canada's side of the border and fire a gun into the US, whose laws apply?" except with the Internet youtube.com sends bits and bytes into the homes of millions of Russians. Essentially they have three options:
1. Ignore it, which is de facto accepting that they've lost all ability to enforce the law and that anything that's legal outside the country is as good as legal inside the country. This is
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The long story short of it is you can't bend society to follow a law that they themselves do not care for. You could make circumventing censorship illegal but if people want to avoid censorship they will do so regardless of the penalty.
There is no solution that will stop this copyright thing because the RIAA/MPAA/international equivalents (which seem to be completely controlled by RIAA/MPAA) are the only folks bothered by this stuff, mostly because of their legacy businesses. Meanwhile, nobody else even giv
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I'll take option one, thanks. It's only been the defacto standard for the internet for a couple of decades.
The Internet isn't broken, copyright law is!
I view the internet as one of the top five creations of mankind. While recorded music and movies are nice, they are not that important.
The people's content. (Score:2)
There is a strong likelihood that anything that Russia would be complaining about is the intellectual property of a country that no longer exists.
They are probably trying to exert ownership and control of the works of the people created under during the Soviet regime.
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There is a strong likelihood that anything that Russia would be complaining about is the intellectual property of a country that no longer exists.
They are probably trying to exert ownership and control of the works of the people created under during the Soviet regime.
Given that Russian Federation is officially a successor state of the USSR, recognized as such by UN, and taking over all rights and obligations (including e.g. external debt), why shouldn't it exert ownership and control of the works copyrighted under Soviet regime?
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Any Treaties signed by Ivan evaporated when the U.S.S.R. collapsed. What the empire of the tired bear did was unilaterally abide by those vary treaties.
Nope. According to Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties [wikipedia.org], a successor state inherits all treaty obligations of its predecessor, unless it was a colony.
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Yeah, because all Russians have been sat sleeping for the last 20 years and haven't actually produced anything since the fall of the USSR.
Yes. 20 years.
It seems a little odd to assume they've not produced any IP or content worth protecting in 20 years, but somehow had some worth protecting before that. Not to mention that Russia took on all the obligations of the former USSR so is actually just a continuation of that entity albeit with some big changes. The USSR didn't simply vanish out of existence and ce
And In Other News... (Score:2)
And in other news, Satan demands the residents of Hades put out their camp fires.
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I'm probably halfway between Washington and Moscow and there are pirated goods in every country in between. There is no utopia where piracy doesn't occur.
I sincerely doubt there is a city on earth where you cannot obtain your drug of choice , tax free alcohol pirated games and movies and a woman willing to fuck you for an appropriate sum.
The risks and penalties may vary but everything is available if you look for it and it is going to get easier as more and more people are looking for ways to make a buck an
Said it before, I'll say it again... (Score:1)
The best way to prevent your stuff being pirated is to make it EASY and CHEAP for people to get it from you directly!
thats funny (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4 [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_program [wikipedia.org]
thats just two, i am sure i can dig up more
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The Tupolev was a copy, the Buran was not a total copy. It involved some industrial espionage, but we do that to. Buran was mostly a Russian design, they were also smart enough to cancel it after only one flight, unlike our shuttle program.
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Soviet Union only joined the Universal Copyright Convention in 1973, and did not have any (with a few minor exceptions) international agreements regarding copyright before that. Accordingly, it (and Russia, being its successor state) does not recognize copyright on earlier foreign works.
As for Buran, its semblance to the Shuttle is mostly superficial based on appearance - much like people often think that AK derives from StG44, or consider Vz 58 a variation of AK, just because they look somewhat similar.
Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 (Score:2)
Soviet Union only joined the Universal Copyright Convention in 1973
Doesn't matter. The Uruguay Round Agreements Act of 1994 restored U.S. copyright in all post-1922 works first published in any Berne Convention member state. (All WTO members are Berne Convention members.) This is being challenged (Golan v. Holder).
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I wasn't saying that US does not respect pre-1973 Soviet/Russian works - it does. However, Russia does not respect [wikipedia.org] pre-1973 foreign works (with some exceptions pertaining to CIS states and a few other countries which had bilateral agreements with the USSR predating UCC and Berne). This is because of an explicit reservation Russia made when joining the Berne convention, denying retroactivity - similar to what US did before Uruguay, but as yet unchanged.
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The Vz 58 is a lot closer to a cross between the StG44 and SKS, in that it has a striker based action, with the a piston action similar to the SKS's short stroke piston and also the open top breach design.
But, yeah, it'd be foolish to think there weren't a few StG44s running around Kalashnikov's shop when he set about making the AK.
Two important issues here (Score:1)
One is over copyright infringement, and I think many people here are against the enforcement that Voskresenskiy desires.
The other, however, is whether giant multi-national corporations should have to bend to the law of individual nations outside their central base -- and this is a much more interesting issue, one that may bring dire consequences if we continually tell Google, et al. that they do not need to concern themselves with anything but US law.
Need to follow local laws? (Score:3)
If an internet site has to comply with the local laws in every jurisdiction from which it is accessible, you would have an utterly farcical situation...
Plenty of countries have laws which make it illegal to display content which is contrary to their regime, and some countries even require all content to be censored.
Imagine trying to comply with the laws of Myanmar or North Korea...
A website should only be beholden to the laws in the country from which it is hosted and/or operated.... And speaking of Russia, isn't that how allofmp3 worked? Blatantly ignoring US laws, but complying with Russian laws.
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Blatantly ignoring US laws, but complying with Russian laws.
And that is exactly why Russia has come out with this. If the US expects Russia to comply with its requests for shutting down web-sites then the US had better be prepared to comply with Russian requests too. Obviously the US isn't going to shut down YouTube and Google, so now any requests they send to Russia can be simply ignored.
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I think the easy solution for each country that complains about that is to block said website until they can produce a local version. Blizzard had to do that with World of Warcraft in China since they didn't allow to show corpses when you died. Blizzard then changed that to small coffins and along other changes, the Chinese govt gave them the go ahead. So it can be done while still being respectful of each culture.
My Question. (Score:1)
So... (Score:2)
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The Democrats push heavily for "anti-piracy" too, probably more than the Republicans actually.
Russian films (Score:1)
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Pirated ru Video, say what? (Score:1)
New business plan (Score:2)
1. Offer pirated Russian movies.
2. ???
3. Profits!
Diplomatic means plus technology (Score:2)
So, in the Internet age,
Distribution isn't the issue, replication is. (Score:2)
This is stupid (Score:2, Informative)
Two points:
First, I doubt "Russia" gives a frozen rat's ass about what YouTube does. I'm sure the MPAA or a foreign equivalent is 99% responsible for this.
Second, statements like "entities need to follow local laws" are just plain stupid and wrong. Only LOCAL entities need to follow local laws.
If some kid in Russia downloads an illegal movie, throw him in your gulag. Reductio ad absurdum: If it's against the law in Russia to use car headlights after 11pm, and someone in Finland drives along the border, thei
To summary's author: "Whooooosh!". (Score:2)
Summary is all wrong, for once government official said something, that made sence: "It is stupid and impossible to try and get the internet in compliance with outdated laws, that were creating when the tech available to us was barely imaginable." Oh, and it totally made sence pointing out that US is attempting to bring internet to compliance with US laws is retarded, as every country has it's laws, and, for example google and youtube are in violation of Russia's laws.
Provincial point of view... (Score:2)
Reminds me of a board game called diplomacy I used to play in high school, where during the diplomacy phase you would get up from the table saying something like "can I talk to france"? and then once you were in a
Sauce for the goose (Score:2)
Can't have foreign criminals targetting Russia... (Score:1)
....they have their own criminals for that
The unmitigated gall (Score:2)
Of a lawless third-world nation like Russia wanting to clamp down on piracy would be hysterical in almost any other situation. I mean -- this is the nation that apparently protects spammers as if they're heads of state.
"It's not feasible" (Score:1)