Libyan Internet Flatlined 77
dnsdude told us about the latest developments regarding rumored Libyan Internet censorship. It appears that massive censorship is occuring with two of the five .ly root name servers being unreachable. It's difficult to tell if this is because of intentionally bad routes, or the result of actual infrastructure damage.
bit.ly is still up (Score:1)
fwiw, I can still browse to bit.ly [bit.ly].
I've been expecting Twitter to have a major conniption when Gaddafi inevitably shuts down the whole .ly TLD.
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The DNS cache will eventually expire without updates from the root. So without Human intervention it should disappear, I don't know if there is a protocol to save the cache in the absence of root or not. But you can manually enter it into your own hosts file.
At least they can watch Libya State TV (Score:2)
Re:bit.ly is still up (Score:4, Interesting)
If you look at the graph on the google page linked in the summary, and expand it to the left, it turns out that Libya's traffic was about 50% lower a few weeks ago, when the revolution started. It's been improving. The "flatline" is suspicious, especially since 3 of the 5 .ly root servers are still up. It also falls in the area of data that's still being collected by Google, so it might be specious.
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Nope. Google has verified the data. They're getting nothing from Libya. But I suspect that they don't include all .ly root servers in that, since bit.ly is still resolvable. The .ly root nodes that are still working are likely not actually in Libya. Google may understand this and not include traffic to them in their statistics.
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That is because only 2 out of the 5 .ly root nameservers are down. The other three will pick up the slack.
Three out of five isn't bad.
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Five? No wonder everyone else is pissed at me.
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Get a life.
Took you 200 words to fall into that irony.
Yo dawg ... (Score:2)
I put some comment into your comments so you can comment when you comment.
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Get a life.
Was that really necessary?
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Re:bit.ly is still up (Score:4, Informative)
Closest, not closets....
Dude, I'm not the parent.
When I see these pedantic corrections on an internet discussion site, it just hits a nerve with me -
Dude: he was correcting HIS OWN ERROR.
LEARN to read before you try posting.
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It's not the web host, it's the .ly TLD DNS servers that are having issues. If I had a .ly domain, I would probably be increasing my TTL records to whatever I thought I could get away with. I remember it being something like 2 weeks, before people start ignoring your TTL and using a "sane" default.
http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php [kloth.net]
dig: couldn't get address for 'dns1.lttnet.net': failure
; > DiG 9.3.2 > @localhost bit.ly A +trace ;; global options: printcmd
; (2 servers found)
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All your .ly are belong to us (Score:2)
Could there be a way to transfer control of .ly to the Benghazi Provisional Government of Libya [slashdot.org]?
I, for one, would welcome new overlords of .ly.
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Twitter to Benghazi: Got .ly?
Benghazi to Twitter: Got ammo?
Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL. . (Score:2, Interesting)
I've always wondered if using a .ly domain name would come back to bite bit.ly in the arse. I just checked, and it still appears to be up, but if all the .ly servers go down for more than a day, no one will be able to use their service.
Re:Wonder if Bit.ly is still happy about their URL (Score:5, Informative)
Root servers for the ly TLD:
All of these would have to inoperable before all .ly domains would stop resolving, and there's still the matter of caching at intermediate DNS servers until the TTL expires for records. Additionally, bit.ly isn't hosted within Libya. In short, I don't expect bit.ly to be going down over this.
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I am sure Gaddafi could, at any time, have Libya Telecom & Technology "turn off" the .ly TLD by contacting every root server.
Not sure if/why he'd want to do that, but I think one has to recognize that a TLD in a country run by a dictator is a serious business risk.
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Bit.ly is 168.143.172.53
Can you shorten that IP address for us?
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Sure
http://2827988021
Kudos!!!
all your base... (Score:5, Funny)
are belong to me. The people love me. I am not a leader, I have no position. I cannot step down.
But you have voluntarily given all your base to me. I am divine protector of your base.
I will never leave. Your base is safe with me.
Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.
The correct decision is to give all your base to me. I will never leave you. The people's councils honor me with their base.
I am forever.
Re:all your base... (Score:4, Funny)
Is it me, or is anyone else having trouble deciding if this is a quote from a Libyan dictator...or Charlie Sheen?
ALL YOUR COKE BELONGS TO US! (Score:3)
That'd be cool.
In AD 2011, civil war was beginning. (Score:2)
What happen?
What you say?!
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Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
This is Gaddafi's Libya
Welcome
This is Gaddafi's Libya
Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
You can do anything in Gaddafi's Libya
Anything in all
The only limit is yourself
Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
This is Gaddafi's Libya
Welcome to Gaddafi's Libya
This is Gaddafi's Libya, Welcome
Yes, this is Gaddafi's Libya
This is Gaddafi's Libya and welcome to you who have come to Gaddafi's Libya
Anything is possible in Gaddafi's Libya
You can to anything Gaddafi's Libya
The infinite is po
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Some young people have taken drugs which caused them to make poor decisions about their base.
Did they free base?
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How is registering a completely valid ccTLD "abusing DNS"?
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I agree it's not really "abusing" DNS, but there is something to be said in favor of using your own country's infrastructure - or that of a stable, well-developed country, at the very least. Using a Libyan domain was probably a bad business move, as it counted on the shit never hitting the fan in Libya, and if experience tells us anything, then it's that EVENTUALLY, the shit always hits the fan.
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Thats better than keeping them in /proc
I guess "abusing" (Score:1)
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It's not really abusing DNS, but it seems really foolish to found a business that relies upon a (at the time) potentially unstable (and now definitely unstable) foreign country's ccTLD.
Google's shortener, goo.gl [www.goo.gl], uses Greenland's ccTLD, which is quite stable. Austria (.at), Iceland (.is), and other clever-sounding ccTLDs are in stable countries with good infrastructure. Libya...not so much.
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Heretofore, Libya has been very stable. For about 30 years.
Libya was so stable that our democratically elected president forgot that Libya actually had a constitution, used to hold elections, and he mistook Gaddafi for a legitimate ruler, who only NOW lost his legitimacy due to violence against his own people.
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Because a country TLD was meant to be used for services run from within that respective country, or directed at that country. .tv for television stuff.
Same goes for all those who abuse
Hell, the whole damn system has been broken for years. .com, .org, . everything there is, barely any of them are used for the reasons they were created.
The wiki article has a list of several ccTLDs that are abused.
ccTLD abuse [wikipedia.org]
This is what happens when guidelines aren't rules. Greed takes over and, well, ^ happens.
And it is pre
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Because a country TLD was meant to be used for services run from within that respective country, or directed at that country. .tv for television stuff.
Same goes for all those who abuse
And all those who abuse .com for USA stuff when they should be using .us
This is probably real but... FTFA (Score:2)
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You might want to mouse-over the links in the summary...
Link is up. Layer 8 is down. (Score:5, Informative)
I posted what I know here :
http://forum.americafree.tv/showthread.php?p=45045 [americafree.tv]
It looks like the undersea cable is fine and BGP is up, but there is no reachability past the landing site. This indicates that there is probably not physical damage, at least to the landing site and the first hop routers, but a cut somewhere after that. If I had to guess, I would guess that Gaddafi or his minions just told the ISPs to shut it down.
As the only Libyan landing site I know of is in Tripoli, this may also cut off the liberated areas in Cyrenaica.
Redundancy in routing is good - an overland link between Benghazi and Alexandria could be very useful right now.
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Except - you don't seem to actually know anything. All you've got is a collection of links pretty much doing nothing but repeating what we already know - internet traffic to Libya is down.
Vector without math (Score:1)
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It's 60% still working, or up to 100%, if there's redundancy among them.
Anticipation? (Score:2)
A few days ago, Comcast stop serving .ly addresses in Chicago for a few hours. Bit.ly told me (via thier Twitter team, who was pretty quick) that it was routing problem with Comcast. I had assumed that some root name servers were down, but at the time, they checked out fine on other ISPs.
I kind of feel like these things might be related, like tinkering with the .ly nameservers to avoid the three in Libya, but I don't know enough about this to ask the right questions. Plausable?
As as aside, while troubleshoo
No Access to Libyan Ghey Pr0n Online? (Score:1)
Now what will the Libyan army do for the weekend? They have to work out that aggression somehow . . .
This is no fun without MG supporters (Score:1)
If you post in a vaguely supportive way about Wikileaks, the law and order jarheads emerge and a robust (but depressing) conversation ensues. Here we have no opposing viewpoint from Qaddafi and his toadies, which removes all the charm from reading /.
Just depressing. (Score:2)
In other news from Libya protesters where attacked with machine guns and mortars. In know compared to cutting the internet that is minor but just thought I would throw that in. I fear that this one of those cases when I was right and a wished I was wrong. After Egypt I made the comment that I feared that the dictators where learning that they couldn't be just a little evil. Looks like I was right. That and it looks like Regan was right as well. After he had proof that Libya had been behind the terrorist