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Mexican Senate Votes To Drop Out of ACTA 96

An anonymous reader writes "The Mexican Senate has voted unanimously to drop out of ACTA negotiations, saying that the process has been way too secretive, left out many stakeholders and appears to deny access to knowledge and information. Of course, it's not clear if this 'non-binding resolution' actually means much, as the negotiators are not under the Senate's control. At the very least, though, it appears the Mexican Senate is going to fight to keep the country from agreeing to ACTA."
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Mexican Senate Votes To Drop Out of ACTA

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  • Not at all (Score:5, Informative)

    by cappp ( 1822388 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:07PM (#33819666)
    That's not what the resolution [google.com] says at all.

    First .- The Senate agreed to form a Plural Working Group to follow up the negotiations for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, known as ACT (for its initials in English Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) in order to assist in the transparency of the multilateral negotiations and ensure that the provisions of this Agreement are in accordance with the guarantees and fundamental rights that our Constitution provides for Federal

    Second .- The Senate agreed to hold, through the Working Group Plural provided in resolving previous public forums and consultations with officials, academics, experts and interested parties in order to build a position on it, and its case, to form an agenda and an alternate route to the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), in order to prepare and submit bills related to the Internet, the industrial property rights and copyrights, as well as freedom of expression and the right to privacy. Third .- While setting up a position by the Senate on Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), requesting the owner of the Federal Executive, Mr. Felipe Calderón Hinojosa , stop the process of negotiations for our country to sign the international convention.

    This says nothing about dropping out at all. It is asking for negotiations to be paused while they set up internal discussion and review groups. The tone of the entire thing supports the general need for something like ACTA but is against the secrecy of the negotiations. The healine there is misleading.

    • by cappp ( 1822388 )
      Dammit, sorry I bolded the third proposal there instead of putting in a space, my apologies.
  • So... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Barrinmw ( 1791848 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:07PM (#33819668)
    Another "backwards" country cares more about the freedoms of its people than the United States.
    • Re:So... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:33PM (#33819840)

      Why do I always feel like the Imperial March should play any time our ambassadors arrive to negotiate some new onerous "IP law" treaty with a wide-eyed, third world country?

      • Yeah right, it should be the dance of the clowns or something. Sure, they'll pass whatever law, and then continue selling pirated CDs/DVDs in the capital.
      • Why do I always feel like the Imperial March should play any time our ambassadors arrive to negotiate some new onerous "IP law" treaty with a wide-eyed, third world country?

        I have altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further. (And unlike Vader, they won't even tell you what the deal is. The process is clearly intended to confuse everyone and Mexico is only doing the right thing because it has nothing left to lose. The papers are publishing articles saying shit to the drug lords like "We are your bitches, tell us what to do, we are your people.")

  • Wow. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ignavus ( 213578 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:08PM (#33819672)

    Unanimous ... I bet the US senate would be closer to unanimous in the other direction.

    Smaller countries know when they are being taken to the cleaners.

    • by ciaran_o_riordan ( 662132 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:41PM (#33819894) Homepage

      > Smaller countries know when they are being taken to the cleaners.

      Yeh, but the only institutions that complain are ones with no power.

      The European Parliament, the European Privacy Commission, and the Mexican Senate aren't in charge of the ACTA negotiations for their countries. They can stomp off and their citizens can feel proud that the elected officials are looking after their interests, but ACTA goes ahead. Funny, huh?

      I didn't understand how society let TRIPS go ahead in 1994. I guessed it was snuck in while citizens weren't looking at the global level, and it would thus never happen again. Now my generation is letting it happen, and we're watching it unfold, and it's unfolding...

      http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement_overview [swpat.org]

      • by tongting ( 1905748 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:51PM (#33819972)
        The future's so bright I gotta wear shades, not. "Democratic" societies are sort of a joke. The masses are easily distracted with a combination of glittering objects and FUD while they are increasingly put under the boot of the powerful.
        • The future's so bright I gotta wear shades, not. "Democratic" societies are sort of a joke. The masses are easily distracted with a combination of glittering objects and FUD while they are increasingly put under the boot of the powerful.

          something in the news disturbing you? here's some X-factor and Big-Brother gossip to distract you... why Gamu is getting deported, it's just not fair, the contestants had already been picked...

          oh and while we're at it, heres a spoiler on Coronation Street's upcoming "disast

      • by josech ( 98417 )

        Not in this case. By law, the Mexican Senate has to approve the ACTA.

      • Regardless of what is negotiated, Senate is the one that can simply not sign the treaty once it's done.
        So if they would really say that they are dropping out (which they aren't at the moment) then there would be no point in negotiating with Mexico.

        • Ok, agreed. ...on that subject, does it ever happen that a country other than the USA (Kyoto protocol) negotiates and signs a treaty and then national elected body refuses to ratify it?

      • Now my generation is letting it happen, and we're watching it unfold, and it's unfolding...

        Hmm. Are we? Is it Gen-X and Gen-Y doing this, or is the Boomers and grown-up Gen-Z kids doing it?

        Surely 30-somethings aren't buying into this tripe are they?!

      • Well, the Parliament could stop SWIFT [spiegel.de]. Especially since Lisbon's Treaty they have more vetting powers, AFAIK.

  • by r00t ( 33219 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:12PM (#33819712) Journal

    The negotiating countries will need to sign this treaty from the start, but at least they get a chance to water it down.

    Other countries get dragged into signing it later, with no chance to change anything. Ever notice how the USA makes DMCA-like laws a requirement of any trade-related treaty?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by houstonbofh ( 602064 )
      Like Mexico cares. Their biggest trade item is illegal anyway. (Weed and labor) And the backlash is building elsewhere.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Your comment is inaccurate and the main reason the rest of the world thinks Americans are uninformed and arrogant. Mexico is the 12th largest economy in the world and headed for the top 5 - counting the EU as one entity of course. The 1950's stereotypes no longer apply, it is not "the west, the commies and the 3d world" any more.

        from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico#Remittances

        Remittances, or contributions sent by Mexicans living abroad, mostly in the United States, to their families at home

        • Those numbers are only the official economy. They do not included the massive amounts of drug money and cash remittances smuggled back in. They also include world trade. While the US is 75% of the official economy, it is not all of it. However, it is a large part (if not all) of the remittances. This skews the numbers back towards what I was talking about.
    • That was all nice and good when the USA had the upper hand in economics, right now I do not see US goverment forcing anything upon say Saudi Arabia, China or India. Mexico already has NAFTA, so there is no carrot to catch.
    • by orasio ( 188021 )

      That's one of the reasons their FTA iniciatives don't work with countries that have a choice.
      Here in Uruguay, the president was negotiating an FTA with the US 4 years ago. It also conflicted with other treaties, like Mercosur, but unfair subsidies, patents and copyrights were the main reasons it got rejected. They sell an FTA, but without the "Free" part.

  • Made In America (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Citizen of Earth ( 569446 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:22PM (#33819782)
    I can't understand why any country other than America would even care about draconian copyright enforcement. Given that America is a huge media maker and most of the world are consumers of this media with a small amount they produce themselves, their citizens achieve a higher quality if life with existing copyright enforcement. ACTA really only benefits the US. All the other countries should figure this out.
    • Other countries also have companies making profits from american entertainment and buying their own politicians. Also, Japan's a big media producer as well (outside Asia, mostly games, cartoons and comics, but still).

      • "(outside Asia, mostly games, anime and manga, but still)."
        fixed, pls try to not mistake the waterdowned storys disney makes, mindless violents vs. the show i watch (higurashi ftw)

        • by sqrt(2) ( 786011 )

          Oh come on, Japan pumps out just as much pop-culture garbage as the US does. There are gems from both sides of the Pacific, but let's not forget that the majority of entertainment that both countries produce is mass market crap. Insisting on unique nomenclature to hide this fact just shows your culture preference for Japan.

          • where are the gems from cartoons? while i`d agree that most of anime is crap they at lest they try to do stuff differently,

            ive never seen one cartoon that actually has any sort of deep meaning/descent storyline

          • I also prefer anime and manga to "japanese cartoons" and "japanese comics", but I admit they are just shorthands and cartoons and comics is an understandable designation.

            However I'd dare to say that Japan's profit from anime and manga isn't on the same league than what it gains from electronics.

            Getting back on top, there is no way my government is NOT going to screw us again with this one, we need a new revolution, hard. Of course a modern day Fransisco Villa will be targeted by the CIA as a terrorist.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Mr. Pibb ( 26775 )

      I can understand how there may be some Mexican Senators who have their fingers in the Piracy pie. *Any* Mexican street market is guaranteed to have at least one "clon" stand, with the larger markets having 20-25% of their stalls selling warez of all kinds: CD/MP3/DVD/PS2/XBOX, as well as counterfeit clothing and handbags.

      A widely believed rumor is that the stands are tied to organized crime. Another rumor is that the Senators are corrupt. It doesn't take a Latin conspiracy theorist to connect the dots.

    • I can't understand why any country other than America would even care about draconian copyright enforcement.

      Because we'll bomb the everloving fuck out of any country that doesn't do what we want.

      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        It is rather difficult to bomb countries who have capability to bomb you back to stone age as a response. This discounts much of the Europe, Russia and China from the list.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

      Sony Pictures: Japan
      Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd: Britain
      Lord of teh Rings: New Zealand.
      Rush: Canada
      ACDC: Australia
      Universal Pictures: France
      Jackie Chan: Hong Kong

    • Because none of the other countries want to risk losing trade status with the US. If you piss off the biggest kid on the block, he can make your life a bit unpleasant. Considering the the United States is still the leading dealer of armaments and defensive technologies in this world, losing trade status with it over music, movies, and art would appear to be a foolish move to a lot of rulers.
    • by rdnetto ( 955205 )

      We don't. What we do care about is not pissing off America, since many of us (Australia, Canada, etc.) rely on them to protect us if anyone decides to declare war on us.

  • by oldhack ( 1037484 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:24PM (#33819792)
    I just think IP economy is incompatible with freedom in general. I know you guys can follow thru.
    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      property is limited in a state of nature, laws have created artificial rights that offer protection in the best interest of corporations, not the public.

  • by ciaran_o_riordan ( 662132 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:32PM (#33819834) Homepage

    Here's the problems caused for software patents:

    I've seen people claiming that ACTA will require countries to allow software patenting, but that's not correct at all. On the contrary, the latest leaked draft (25 August) explicitly says that there will be no substantive requirements on scope:


    1. This Agreement shall be without prejudice to provisions governing the availability, acquisition, scope, and maintenance of intellectual property rights contained in a Party's law.

    2. This Agreement does not create any obligation on a Party to apply measures where a right in intellectual property is not protected under the laws and regulations of that Party.

    • The leaked draft is not the final agreement. Do not tell me that people won't try to have that changed before it is finished. People with lots of money and influence throughout the world.

  • by Bob9113 ( 14996 ) on Wednesday October 06, 2010 @10:36PM (#33819868) Homepage

    Heh, at this rate, it won't be long before the United States is the only country left. Then the RIAA, MPAA, and the henchmen Obama appointed to the DoJ can write whatever they want and sign us on as the sole participating nation. Signing a treaty without another nation involved has to fall somewhere in the executive branch scale between extraordinary rendition and summary execution, so it's totally legit!

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by mykos ( 1627575 )
      Lol...I'm not a lawyer or anything, but it doesn't seem like there's anything standing in the way of them doing just that. We could have a whole mess of laws written by "treaties" between zero outside parties, or calling an agreement with the **AA a "treaty". Stranger things have happened...we've had presidents using "executive orders" to get things done that lawmakers would never originate or approve of.
  • Mexico has much bigger things to deal with like a big drug war and the drug cartels paying off cops.

  • The Point of Agreement from the Senate is a political plead to the President to stop the ACTA negotiation process. Although it's not legally binding at the moment, by law all the International Trades with Mexico have to be approved by the Senate.

    The Senate is asking the President to stop the ACTA negotiations, but if the President fails to do it, eventually he must send the ACTA for approval to the Senate.

  • ... as the negotiators are not under the Senate's control.

    So how is it that negotiators who are negotiating a treaty that will have far-reaching implications for the people of Mexico not be under their government's control? That sounds about as thoroughly fucked up as it is in D.C.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by josech ( 98417 )

      The negotiations are not under the Senate control, but the final approval is. ACTA must be approved by the mexican Senate in order to be legally adopted.

      And yes. The lobbyist and factual powers in Mexico are very powerful an evil, just as anywhere else.

  • Hopefully more countries will follow Mexico's lead!
  • Go Mexico! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Arancaytar ( 966377 ) <arancaytar.ilyaran@gmail.com> on Thursday October 07, 2010 @04:32AM (#33821898) Homepage

    Mexico may have been turned into a lethal hellhole by the drug cartels, but you have to credit their government with more integrity than most of the developed world, as far as that treaty is concerned. I hope the EU makes good on its promise [futurezone.at] and follows suit.

  • We get to vote and the big companies get to make all the rules...
    Isn't it great.

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