College Threatens Students Over Email Addresses 452
superdave98 writes "As a sign that a CIO has way too much time on his hands, Santa Rosa Junior College is sending emails threatening lawsuits to staff and students who have the letters 'SRJC' in their private email addresses. They contend that people could be confused and think these are official email addresses. Sure, I suppose people who fall for 419 scams probably could be fooled, but not any reasonable humans. I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea."
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The thing is, if coffee is too hot to be poor over your crotch then how the hell wouldn't it ALSO be too hot to be drank?
And I don't care if you're a testosterone-driven moron who thinks he's a hot stud because he can drink boiling hot coffee. Normal people can't and restaurants keep making fucking boiling hot coffee, that's just insane.
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Actually
Go eat a nice hot pizza.
Now get some of that hot cheese on your thigh.
Easy to eat, yet it can still burn.
AMAZING!
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Bullshit! If it is too fucking hot for my leg, it's going to burn the shit out of my mouth!
Also, the facts of the McDonald's Hot Coffee case are that McDonald's required their franchisees to keep their coffee at 180F-190F. In addition, the coffee manufacturer has stated that such a high temperature is not ideal for the coffee's taste. It was simply a matter of time before someone got seriously injured.
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Darwin should take care of reinforcing this lesson? You're seriously saying that people should learn that hot things burn by survival vs. death?
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Darwin should take care of reinforcing this lesson? You're seriously saying that people should learn that hot things burn by survival vs. death?
Yup!
I can name several people I am at least somewhat acquainted with that have had bad things happen to them, and I have learned from their experiences... including related deaths.
There is this thing called a brain we have... which unfortunately not nearly used as often as it could be. And far too often people to pay the ultimate price for their ignorance.
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If inability to reproduce qualifies one for the Darwin Awards, I think 90% of the Linux user-base can make it to the finals.
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You have to be stupid to get a Darwin Award. Now, Windows fanbois, they're another story...
Re:Greed is Good (Score:5, Informative)
Except that you're in the minority. McDs own research showed that 1) the majority of thier customers wanted to drink the coffee immdediately and 2) the temp. they served it at would cause 3rd degree burns and 3) didn't care. That's why they lost the lawsuit.. that the woman shouldn't have had an open cup of coffee between her legs to begin with was why the award was halved.
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Some things take time, and should be savored. If people don't have enough time to drink a coffee properly, they need to negotiate better work hours or take up a less insane lifestyle. Drinking tea used to be a beautiful ceremony ffs, and now we can't even handle having it made FOR us? Encouraging people to do everything at light speed -- especially when it means inferior heated-then-chilled or not-heated-enough coffee, is solving entirely the wrong problem.
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McDonald's coffee, besides tasting like crap, was always INSANELY hot. I once HAD IT MELT THE GLUE holding in the base of the paper cup it was served to me in. I was driving in Chicago, had left McDonald's only a few minutes before, and picked up the cup from the console cup holder for my first sip. The bottom of the cup fell out just as I was bringing the rim of the cup to my lips, and dumped the entire, scalding, contents onto my crotch. I crossed four lanes of traffic in as many seconds, screaming th
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that the woman shouldn't have had an open cup of coffee between her legs to begin with was why the award was halved.
But that's the only part that the media covered...that she dropped coffee on herself. But that wasn't the point of the lawsuit - it was because she got third degree burns, down to the bone. And as you say, the company knew that most of their customers wanted to drink it right away.
So what's been bandied about as the epitome of frivolous lawsuit is actually an example of a GOOD lawsuit. Beca
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The thing is, if coffee is too hot to be poor over your crotch then how the hell wouldn't it ALSO be too hot to be drank?
Dunno... Maybe not.
I drink my coffee hot. It tastes good that way. It doesn't hurt my mouth/tongue. But I've spilled it on myself and it hurt like hell. Maybe your mouth is less sensitive to heat? Maybe saliva acts as some kind of insulation? Maybe it's because you're typically taking small sips of coffee, and not dumping the entire cup down your throat?
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Logical fallacy? (Score:4, Funny)
Can we strike down the assumption that in order for
a particular substance to be agreeable to your palate then it must also be judged crotch-friendly?
I like vinegar on my fries. I don't feel the need to test the viability of this combination by pouring dilute acid on my wang. I like hot peppers. I don't need to do quality control on these by first rubbing them on my groin. (I do it because I can.)
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I think you'll find that slurping is key.
Of course, coffee brewed at 100C tends to be bitter, but humans scald quickly around 55C, and most decent coffee is brewed somewhere between 80 and 94 degrees. The trick is knowing that some food is prepared too hot to consume. Duh.
For example, I'd laugh if McD's started serving pork that had never been brought above 55 degrees.
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This is the US we're talking about here.
As a brit who occasionally has to travel abroad, it is damn-near impossible to get a good cup of tea in the US because tea really needs to be made with boiling water. Boiling. Not "very hot". Boiling.
Seriously, has concept of a kettle (meaning a jug which holds about 3 pints of water and has a heating element built in which will boil the water and cut-out when there's sufficient steam to operate a cutout switch) not made it over there?
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Such devices have recently become widely available. They were difficult to find only a few years ago.
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I wasn't joking.
My employer's office in the US doesn't have a kettle - only a coffee machine - and when I asked about it I was asked "what's a kettle?"
Re:Greed is Good (Score:5, Informative)
"For 150 dollars an hour, a lawyer will never tell you any idea of yours is bad, even if it's suing McDonalds because your hot coffee is (gasp!) HOT, and should not have been poured all over your crotch."
For free, any number of internet denizens will propagate distortions and urban legends.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0122-11.htm [commondreams.org]
"Third Degree Burns
Here's what the talk show pundits and columnists neglected to mention about the McDonalds coffee burn case:
79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees. McDonalds knew its coffee was exceptionally hot but testified that they had never consulted with burn specialist. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. And so the jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million. The judge then reduced the fine to less than half a million. Ms. Liebeck then settled with McDonalds for a sum reported to be much less than a half million dollars. McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants. "
Re:Greed is Good (Score:5, Insightful)
You know that coffee is brewed with water that is on the verge of boiling, right? Ditto for hot tea, at least if you follow worldwide British/Indian custom. So if your coffee is served fresh, as Starbucks does serve it, then it will be about 190 degrees. There would be a storm of "ZOMG my five-dollar coffee isn't fresh!!1!" complaints if they didn't.
So I'd like to know the definition of "other restaurants" that plaintiff claims are serving cooler coffee. It is very telling that they do not cite any coffee- or restaurant-industry standard for coffee serve temperature.
For added enlightenment, next time you brew a pot of coffee, let it sit in the carafe for a while with the coffeemaker still on to keep it warm, and then check the temperature with a cooking thermometer. Then come back and tell us whether plaintiff was justified in claiming that McDonalds' procedure was somehow out-of-the-ordinary.
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Actually, that brewing temperature (I'm going to assume your figure is for a serving temperature and that the extraction temperature was really a little bit higher) is based on good research into solids extraction and taste preference. For a drip preparation, brewing coffee at cooler temperatures tastes under-extracted. It is possible to compensate for this somewhat by increasing the depth of the grounds bed or using a finer particle size. Both of these increase water resistance, causing the extraction time to increase, and this also introduces defects in the flavor. (Espresso, of course, can get away with the lower extraction temperature due to the higher pressure, so a reasonable compromise would be to just serve caffe americano prepared at whatever temperature by a robot.) In other words, McD was actually brewing the coffee correctly, as the then-president of the Specialty Coffee Association of America testified at the time.
That's not to say that there wasn't a problem here. That 2-7 seconds for third degree burns at 190 degrees is a real problem and one that can be addressed. Once coffee is served, it cools off fairly quickly. Once spilled, it cools off even faster assuming that it doesn't have the opportunity to pool. The fact is, good coffee is not safe to serve in a drive-through environment. Had she spilled the coffee in the store where there was some freedom of motion (rather than strapped into a seat in a small space), the burn would never have happened. So the choice is this: either serve lousy tasting coffee that wasn't brewed or stored correctly or stop serving coffee from the drive-through window.
Re:Greed is Good (Score:4, Insightful)
No one ever mentions the fact she was holding the cup of coffee between her knees.
Hot coffee + flimsy cup + holding with your legs = bad idea.
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We should also put foam rubber on all sidewalks, because someone could trip and fall and break an arm! That's just negligent, having hard things on the ground! And keep cars from going faster than 5mph. They might actually cause some damage. Seriously... there's an acceptable risk to everything. Hot coffee is understood to be hot by most reasonable people. That's why you have to be careful with it. Sure, someone COULD bump into you, but someone could also run
Re:Greed is Good (Score:5, Informative)
For 150 dollars an hour, a lawyer will never tell you any idea of yours is bad, even if it's suing McDonalds because your hot coffee is (gasp!) HOT, and should not have been poured all over your crotch.
Lawyers have an obligation to advise their clients of the good and bad of the client's case. In addition to duties under their respective governing society and regulations, the practical reason is rather simple: Where a lawyer is negligent in failing to properly advise their client of the risks in a litigation, that lawyer could be liable to their client in negligence.
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Actually, she sued(not that I agree with it) because the lid was not on when the coffee was handed to her and it spilled. She went back inside to see if she could have another cup of coffee. She was denied, so then she sued. Penny wise, pound foolish I say.
[citation needed]
Re:Greed is Good (Score:5, Informative)
Why don't you read about what happened before you guess about it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants [wikipedia.org] seems to be a good summary of the case. Basically, a 79-year-old woman suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent. She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. Two years of treatment followed. The issue was that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180-190 F, which (it was claimed) is much hotter than coffee from other places.
Not that I can understand why anybody would want to drink McDonald's coffee anyway -- it's HORRIBLE! But that's just my opinion.
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http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/beverages/coffee-tea/coffee-taste-test-3-07/overview/0307_coffee_ov_1.htm [consumerreports.org] Your are apparently in the minority. CR's taste test found McDonald's coffee was the best.
I trust Consumer Reports to rate food about as much as I trust Cook's Illustrated to rate chainsaws.
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Yes but you get that kind of damage from McDonald's coffee even when it's cold...
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The degree of a burn refers to how deep the burn is. If the burns affected the full thickness of the dermis and underlying tissue, then they would be considered third degree despite the lack of charring.
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"That doesn't make the case any less absurd, though."
You just proved you don't even know the facts of the case with that statement. Any reasonable person would see the facts and could NEVER come to that conclusion. So to help you out, I point you to this slashdotter's comment [slashdot.org] for correction and re-education.
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Turn in your geek card immediately, for failing to differentiate between gross and per capita rates.
700 coffee incidents is what percent of McDonalds' total coffee sales? An
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I call it an exemplary safety record! If only my doctor made so few mistakes I--I--I--I wouldn't have this terrible stu--st---stutter.
Won't someone think of the... (Score:2, Funny)
Shelter Rock Jewish Center or Serangoon Junior College or
Samuel Robert James Colbert?
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Yeah, someone should tell the school that Shelter Rock Jewish Center is domain squatting on srjc.org
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That would actually be very amusing, given the number of well-paid lawyers that probably go to Shelter Rock Jewish Center...
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I had a look at their .com site. santarosajunioncollege.com. I guess they run a link farm too. Oh, they're just being annoying, picking worthless battles with the people that pay their bills.
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Seriously, it wasn't built for businesses to make money, sell things or what-have-you. Sure, you can do it, but, that was not (and hopefully will not) be its primary purpose.
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Won't someone stand up, and tell the fscking business world that the internet was not created just for them?!?!
Seriously, it wasn't built for businesses to make money, sell things or what-have-you. Sure, you can do it, but, that was not (and hopefully will not) be its primary purpose.
What on earth are you talking about? They're threatening people with a valid affiliation with the college, not random Joe Blow who put "srjc" in his e-mail address because he wanted it to say "Señor Jesus" or whatever. The issue is that people who *do* have an affiliation with the college might be confusing people as to the officialness of a particular email channel, which definitely could cause problems.
Of course, the *real* issue here is that people create yahoo, gmail, hotmail, etc. accounts
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I don't see them having jurisdiction or basis to bring a case that the contents of something as innocuous as an email address (the username mind you ,not the domain part after @ sign) are.
Frankly, I'd personally go further than that on domain names. I think it s
Of course they did... (Score:4, Insightful)
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It's not their job to make moral judgments on their clients. Their client has a grievance, their client is paying them to pursue that grievance. They may choose not to pursue it, but really, this is hardly a situation where you're going to excuse yourself for moral reasons.
Single Female Lawyer (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't know what bugs me more.
The insistence on shit like:
(s)he
s/he
he/she
him/her
latin@
etc.
Or the counter movement where authors intentionally choose the female pronoun, or alternate between the two, use words like "womyn", etc.
Either way, I do my part by using "they/their" for some singulars ("If your friend touches you where you don't want them to, they are not your friend."), and in this case, I would have said:
A lawyer will take any case it can make a buck on.
Hell, I think I'll be using "it" in place of he/she/him/her/etc. from now on.
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the one I hate most is: hir
hopes dashed (Score:5, Funny)
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They just put the fear of god into srjc_p1mp69.
I think srjcSuxors is going to have a hard time too...
Hahaha (Score:2)
Doubly Strange (Score:5, Interesting)
This is more than a bit surreal since SRJC has a long history of being on the net.
For example, Santa Rosa Junior College is one of the very few non-4-year colleges to have a .EDU domain name. In the early 90's they had two junior admins, Dane Jasper and Scott Doty, who went on to become the founders of a Mom-and-Pop Internet company that actually succeeded. It started as Sonoma Interconnect, but is now known as Sonic.net [sonic.net].
It's a shame to add this squirrely episode to that history.
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You know what? You're right! I just looked at a list of CA Community Colleges [cccco.edu] and they almost all have .EDU's. I know that today you have to be a 4-year school, but I guess that didn't used to be true. Huh, you learn (or unlearn) something every day.
I will note that santarosa.edu shows an activation date of 19-Oct-1989, so that goes back a way.
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Backwards. Educause used to require that you were a 4 year accredited school, now any school can get a .edu domain
Er, Lawyers? (Score:2)
Anything that makes paid work for him/her is a good idea to a lawyer.
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Yeah, personally I hate anything that brings business to my company. I stand out front with a big sign that reads "Don't bring your business here. We don't want it."
Thank goodness we're not like those greedy lawyers who just want to make money off their trade.
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Pretty normal for a government agency (Score:2)
This was one of the complaints I got fired for. Nevermind that nobody on slashdot or technocrat at the time was stupid enough to think that an employee of ODOT was speaking for ODOT (especially since, in the article that got me in trouble, I only identified myself as being in a certain building not actually an employee).
Nothing better to do... (Score:2)
"I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea."
What, you think they just came up with the titles "Ambulance Chaser" and "Blood Sucking" just for shits and giggles? Some lia, er I mean lawyers earned these unofficial titles.
And the REAL issue isn't the lawyer would came up with this bullshit, but the judge who allowed it anywhere past his or her bailiff in a courtroom. See my sig for futher info...
How lawyers learn (Score:2)
I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea."
Well, we recently learned how lawyers feel obligated not to read anything [slashdot.org] that could give them a clue how the world works...
What if my initials are... (Score:5, Funny)
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No, they will sue you to change your name. SRJC was founded in 1918. If you are posting on Slashdot, they have prior art and right to the initials.
If you are posting from the afterlife, you might have a case to sue them: "Santa Rosa Junior College vs. the late Sam Robert Jacob Christinson."
"Greta can you comment on that?"
That's MY damn email address! (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, if you're a company/whatever, then the email address to contact me is YOUR damn company/whatever name @mydomain.com
So if I get a single godamn piece of spam at that address, I know you're the ones responsible for selling/giving that address to the spammers.
Academic egos are like the Hindenberg (Score:2)
Big, inflated, highly flammable, and a whiff of fascism.
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What an utter moron. Must be a lot of fun to work for this woman. I think our nationwide unemployment rate is about to go up by 1.
Oh Noez (Score:2)
Anyone is well within their rights to put these letters into their email address. Just like Yahoo can't stop people from putting Yahoo in their non-Yahoo email addresses.
The college is well within their rights to threaten to sue, as you can pretty much sue for any reason, but the court will decide if it needs to be shot down or actually go to trial. Scare tactics.
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email me at BobAtStupidRejectJrCollege@srjc.com (Score:2, Informative)
what a bunch of asshats
Steven Ray Justin Curtis (Score:2, Insightful)
What utter fucktards... (Score:5, Insightful)
With an email address, everybody knows that the local-part (before the @) is arbitrary and the domain corresponds, of course, to a domain. Using the local-part as an organizational identifier, except in flaky ad-hoc setups for small sub organizations(student_club@school.edu style), just isn't done. The domain is always where you look for organizational information.
This seems to be a case where somebody(who should know better, since he is part of their tech department) is treating all parts of the email address as being equally salient. If somebody had grabbed santarosa.com or santarosacollege.com (as opposed to the school's santarosa.edu) and was using email addresses in that domain for misleading purposes, I could sympathize with the case. Trying to dictate the form of email address local-parts from other domains is just bullshit, though.
Publicity (Score:4, Funny)
I call dibs on the email address!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Woot! I grabbed JohnDoe_SRJC@yahoo.com!
1. Check slashdot
2. Grab example email address from news article
3. ???
4. Profit!
I'm sitting here watching the yahoo inbox, just waiting for the bucket loads of money to start pouring in...hahaha...SUCKERS!
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Sorry friend, but I highly doubt that anyone on /. is going to say to themselves "Wow, I really need to get over to Santa Rosa Junior College and take some IT classes, it sounds like they have a great program."
I know they say that any publicity is good publicity, but frankly you'd be a moron to associate yourself with some lawyer happy JC if you didn't have to. If you lived in the area and heard about this story (having never heard of the place before!) would you really be inclined to start taking classes
Oblig. Mencken (Score:2)
Sure, I suppose people who fall for 419 scams probably could be fooled, but not any reasonable humans.
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
Legal Eagles (Score:5, Funny)
I can't believe they found a lawyer who thought this was a good idea.
I can't believe they only found one.
Bad Press (Score:2)
Considering they're trying to get more students in the door, this is a terrible public relations nightmare. What student would want to attend a college that threatens to sue over something as trivial as an email adress -- and a private one at that? Very unfortunate for the students and faculty, and a black eye for the administration.
No problem dude (Score:4, Funny)
No problem dude, I'll just change my email to FU_KenFiori@gmail.com .
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No problem dude, I'll just change my email to FU_KenFiori@gmail.com .
Florida University would like to have a word with you....
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Sorry, there are UF [ufl.edu], FSU [fsu.edu], FAU [fau.edu], and FIU [fiu.edu], as well as universities of Central [ucf.edu], North [unf.edu], West [uwf.edu], and South [usf.edu] Florida. But no FU. GP is safe wrt Floridian institutions.
Please play again.
Sure would be a shame... (Score:5, Funny)
MK Rudolph - mrudolph@santarosa.edu and
K Fiori - kfiori@santarosa.edu
The latter created the policy (director of computing services) and the former has her weight behind it (VP Academic Affairs). Just figured it'd be useful information to have. I'm in no way suggesting that all of slashdot go out and register variants of hotGritzIn_SJRC@gmail.com and youSuck_SJRC@yahoo.com or anything like that. And using hundreds of those emails to spam the everliving bejeezus out of their mailboxes would be nearly as morally questionable as suing your own students for making similar addresses. So I'd never suggest that either.
Number of comments?! (Score:3, Insightful)
Is it me or has the number of comments of an article been taken off the beta index?! :)
I for one am not happy with this!
Going back to the original, hmph.
To keep on topic, yeah it's a little silly
This happens all the time (Score:5, Interesting)
If anything, this helps students and faculty make sure they are communicating with the right "John Smith, Professor" out there.
Every single student whom crosses the door of SRJC is making a statement that "I feel qualified to be a college-level student." Part of being a student is understanding the tools you use to get the job done. Not taking minimal effort to verify an e-mail address for validity, particularly given most students are forced to use an Online Courseware system that is at something.mycollege.edu, so they know that "this address does not match this address", is no excuse for acting foolishly.
One of the biggest merits of going to any college is that after 18 years of hand-holding in the home and public education spheres, the college is not going to baby sit you, beg you to pay your fees on time, order you to attend lecture (though sadly some professors attempt to to artifically give merit to their poor instruction in the form of attendance-grades), or anything else for that matter. You are there because you want to learn, and almost no career has zero computer interaction, so you should learn to use the computer, just like you learned to read even though you didn't plan on being grammar or literature teacher. I am shocked and disappointed how many people flatly refuse to properly learn to use a tool that can make their job easier. I've never met anyone who "regretted" spending the necessary time to use a computer effectively.
Using the college's name (Score:4, Interesting)
The administrators seem to be trying to keep people from using the college's name in their private e-mail addresses. So why are they going after abbreviations? I guess I could see it if someone registered SantaRosaJuniorCollege@yahoo.com and started spamming people, but attempting to claim ownership on SRJC? That's simply ridiculous.
Great layoff prospect here. (Score:3, Funny)
The State of California is doing some massive budget cuts. Santa Rosa is cutting so deep that they're turning off street lights in the middle of blocks to save money. Looks like we found some people who don't have much to do and can be laid off.
Small minds in bright places... (Score:4, Interesting)
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9 dollars a month? You're not doing it right.
www.iweb.com
www.powweb.com
Note: I don't work for any of those, but I did get many years of excellent service from both so far.