Organized Online, Students Storm Gov't. Buildings In Moldova 199
An anonymous reader writes "Reacting to allegedly fraudulent election procedures, students are storming the presidency and parliament of the small eastern European country of Moldova. It is reported that they used Twitter to organize. Currently twitter and blogs are being used to spread word of what is happening since all national news websites have been blocked. If the 1989 Romanian revolution was the first to be televised, is this the first to be led by twitter and social networks?" Jamie points out this interesting presentation (from March 2008) by Ethan Zuckerman about the realities of online activism, including how governments try to constrain it.
Hmm... (Score:5, Funny)
...So Twitter is *occasionally* filled with useful material. :)
The revolution ... (Score:5, Funny)
will not be televised, but apparently it will be twittered.
Re:The revolution ... (Score:5, Insightful)
pitty any future historian who will have to dig thru all the LOLs to follow historical events
Re:The revolution ... (Score:5, Funny)
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LOL! ... sorry. I had to!
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The age of manual digging has long since past and future historians will have even more computing power at their disposal for investigating the past. We've begun to take for granted that what used to take a trip to the library and research skills to find is now as simple as CTRL+T, CTRL+K, search terms, ENTER (FF specific, but most browsers have an equivalent). 20 years from now, searches will incorporate far more AI-like characteristics to find what we're looking for. Future historians will simply set the
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So that's why it'll try to wipe off humanity. I always wondered why the supercomputers in B-grade science fiction always hate humanity with a passion far in excess of what their cold silicon hearts should be capable of, but now it all makes sense. I, for o
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I'm not sure what you mean by strong AI, but there really isn't much advancement in that field that's necessary for the searching methods I described. Google is already remarkably good at determining from the few search terms you enter which internet content is most similar to what you're looking for. And Bayesian filtering, once well trained, works quite well in filtering out spam. I see no reason why a historian couldn't use a thousand or
Fax, Internet, Same Thing (Score:5, Interesting)
The Soviet Union was crushed by fax machines. Twitter is just sort of a chickenshit fax machine for people who like to run their mouths.
BTW, good for the students.
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The Soviet Union was crushed by bad economic policies; everything else was a consequence, not a trigger. The collapse began before fax machines or copiers became common.
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"Chickenshit" modifies "fax machine," not "people." As the fax machines are not storming government buildings, it is perfectly appropriate.
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Skyfax.
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Well, you don't need a television, what with the Internet and all.
Like this [liveleak.com].
Twitter (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid.
Maybe.
Twitteriffic! (Score:5, Funny)
Tomorrows CNN: "According to Twits from the Moldovian front...." Maybe after this, twitting will sound a little less stupid. Maybe.
Somehow I doubt it. Somewhere, the twits will be twoted as twaying something or other about how these tweettacks are a violation of their twitful rights...
But don't twote me on that...
Re:Twitteriffic! (Score:5, Funny)
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Bunch of twunts, the lot of 'em.
Wow (Score:5, Funny)
I'm really surprised they managed to send so many messages without Twitter displaying the Fail Whale.
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I must officially be an old, curmudgeonly luddite now, since I didn't know what the Fail Whale was before today.
Or wait, since we like bashing social networky things here, does that make me cool? I can't tell.
What's the story here? (Score:5, Insightful)
People use communication tools available to them to organize and carry out tactics?
Oh, it's because it's twitter it's a novelty.
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The story is their communist government cut down the communication tools. Cellphone coverage is off and all media "shutdown" early in the day. The radio / television employees all went home and the buildings are surrounded by the military.
The story is they were left with the internet. Here's a good read [foreignpolicy.com].
Europe... (Score:5, Interesting)
From my time in Moldova with native students, all they want is to join up with the rest of Europe and get the show on the road. They're really frustrated at "the Man". There's the Romanians who don't want to reunite the countries (since Moldova is poorer), the Russians who keep feeding the border conflict with Transnistria (fascinating read about that tin pot narco/weapons state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria [wikipedia.org] ), there's the EU that doesn't even want to consider Moldova as long as there's an unsolved border conflict, there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine -- which was much the same circumstances.
Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs. Gotta believe me on that one ;-)
Not again! (Score:2)
How many more countries are going to sprout out in that area? I already went broke replacing all my atlases when the USSR broke up, Yugoslavia broke up and reorged a couple of times, then Kosovo went independent... sheesh! I wish there was an atlas with a bunch of scrapbook-style cutouts for the most likely countries to secede next :)
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1. Buy a geographical atlas, with no countries marked at all,
2. Write "world" on it,
3. Tell everyone else to do the same.
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Solves a handful of problems and creates many more. Pass.
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Yeah, well, there's gonna be a lot of people writing almost the same thing, but with slight but meaningful variations:
"world--finally the whole thing is up for grabs"
"world--mine"
Also, when you're trying to bring about the One World Government you're supposed to do it in secret with Bilderbergers and Rothschildren and stuff.
(Note that I completely left out this version:
"world--thanks, Obama, for bankrupting the last barrier to a crushingly Socialist one-world government where the only
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Just out of curiosity: what barrier was that? I thought it was capitalism that went bankrupt, and rather spectacularly at that...
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To anyone who understands anything about economics, this statement, honestly, looks like a troll. It's like reading someone saying "I thought Windows was better? Isn't that what 95% of businesses use?" or something like that. Yes, there are many, many people who thought (and perhaps still think, although OS X and even linux have made tremendous inroads into the public consciousness now), for example, that it was "
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Please do. Your ranting is quite amusing, in a way. It doesn't actually answer my question ("what barrier did Obama bankrupt?"), but it's amusing nonetheless.
But I suppose I can't really blame you. Times like these must be very difficult for libertarianists. You merely react the same way most people do when their favourite ideology or religion is being contradicted by reality: you shout louder.
I wish you luck in battling whatever demons of altruism you were really answering to. We
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Yeah, but will it be the "World Republic Of Free Nations", or the "World Islamic Caliphate", or "The Kingdom of Our Lord Christ The Savior", or ...?
Unless and until you figure that one out, it's not going to work.
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I think it's time for the mankind to realize that changing the world will never help anybody. If you want change, change yourself.
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I appreciate your comment. But YU was indeed pretty dynamic for a while; at first Serbia and Montenegro refused to let go the dream and so declared themselves a somewhat smaller YU. Then they renamed themselves to Serbia and Montenegro. And now Montenegro split. I found the whole ordeal [wikipedia.org] kind of funny :)
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Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine
What - you mean financed and organised by the US government?
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You can also see how fucked Ukraine is now. The government is not functioning, the presidend and the prime minister (former best buddies and orange revolution heroes) are now bitter enemies.
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Frankly, Ukraine was fucked before the Orange Revolution, and everyone knew it, too. It wouldn't have been any better if it didn't happen. It just happens to be a state in turmoil; largely precipitated by the east/west divide, with eastern regions being mostly Russian-speaking and self-identifying as ethnically Russian, and western regions being mostly Ukrainian-speaking and self-identifying as ethnically Ukrainian. And yet Ukraine pretends to be a single nation-state with a single state language. Of course
Re:Europe... (Score:4, Informative)
Russians work as peacekeepers in Transnistria.
Also, you should try to read Wiki article you're quoting:
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On August 31, 1989, the Supreme Soviet of the Moldavian SSR adopted Moldovan as the only official language, with Russian retained only for secondary purposes, returned Moldovan to the Latin alphabet, and declared a shared Moldova-Romanian linguistic identity. As plans for major cultural changes in Moldova were made public, tensions rose further. Ethnic minorities felt threatened by the prospects of removing Russian as the de facto official language, the possible future reunification of Moldova and Romania and the ethnocentric rhetoric of the Popular Front. The Yedinstvo (Unity) Movement, established by the Slavic population of Moldova, pressed for the equal status given to both Russian and Moldovan.[73]
Soviet symbols are still used in Transnistria
The nationalist Popular Front won the first free parliamentary elections in the Moldavian SSR in the spring of 1990[citation needed], and its agenda started slowly to be implemented.
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That pattern was repeated several times during the USSR collapse (in Georgia and Armenia). Russian peacekeepers were able to stop these conflicts before they turned into full-scale civil wars.
Also, Transnistria's reputation as a drug haven is exaggerated.
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"russian peacekeepers". mwahaha.
really, cut that crap. being occupied by russia for a good 50 years, and seeing what happens at it's borders after the period (georgia, anybody ?) we know quite well what their peacekeeping means.
we also have seen the financing from russia working to keep up such local "movements". stop. we don't want to be occupied by you anymore, we don't want to be deported to siberia, we don't want to suffer from your atrocities anymore. try to understand that, work hard, and maybe, maybe
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Wrong!
First there was a nice little civil war and genocide started by nationalists in Georgia (against Abkhazia and South Ossetia). Abkhazia was winning this war and it Ossetia managed to fight Georgia to a standstill.
Both parties fought mostly with light weapons, because Russian army remained neutral at first (due to Eltsin's policy of "take as much sovereignty as you can carry").
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"Is that really the russian school textbook version of the story? Because the rest of the world sure doesn't recognize it that way"
[citation needed]
"But hey, no surprise, during the soviet times, all major discoveries were apparently also made by russians and "stolen" by the big bad capitalists in the west."
Do you know that it's not Edisson who's invented the lightbulb? And not Marconi who's invented the radio.
Can you cite examples of unquestionably bad data from a recent (~15 years) Russian textbook?
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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_9_tragedy [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumi_Massacre [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993) [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]"
Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)#Russian_role_in_the_conflict [wikipedia.org] - role of Russian military forces during the first stages of the conflict was very minor.
"Let me guess, you'll next claim Popov invented the radio (not Marconi, not Tesla, not Hertz) and the light bulb was inv
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Please, don't use the words "Russians" and "peacekeepers" in the same sentence. I've got enough "peace doves" to draw in school while dad at constant military retraining kept learning the best ways to "defensively" attack Denmark.
And putting Soviet symbols anywhere above Nazi ones is bending the history. Per-year, Soviets were as bad or worse as Nazis, and we had occupying us (central and eastern Europe) for 50 years while Nazis did barely 5.
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"I've got enough "peace doves" to draw in school while dad at constant military retraining kept learning the best ways to "defensively" attack Denmark."
That's what military does. Be sure that US army is training to 'preemptively' attack China and other countries.
Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.
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Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.
I see you haven't lived in a country occupied by Soviets.
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I was born in Russia. Currently I'm living in Ukraine.
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Comparing Soviet and Nazi occupations is just insane. It's way beyond bending of history.
Really? Why? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler. The difference between Stalin and Hitler was the target of the genocide. Hitler decimated Jews, Gypsies, and other undesired races, while Stalin decimated people accused of being bourgeois by the millions, performed ethnic cleansing and ethnic relocation to avoid separatism, oppressed and killed a huge number of religious people, performed genocide through engineered famines such as Holodomor...
In short:
Hitler: The German people is superior, and we wil
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"Russian peacekeepers"....
Russia's presence in that area makes the problem persist. The reasons they're there is not to keep peace, but to maintain a conflict.
They need it because it is to their benefit to keep some troops here and there, "just in case".
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Yep, it would be much better to let Georgia wipe out and ethnically cleanse Ossetia and Abkhazia. After all, Georgia can't be bad, right?
Maybe NATO also should have helped Serbia to maintain its territorial integrity instead of helping Kosovo to secede.
Russian peacekeepers more or less stopped local conflicts, but they can't solve underlying problems.
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Do you think the problem would occur if those lands weren't forcefully populated with non-natives in the first place?
I don't know if you've ever been to Moldova, but the Russians here live an easy and safe life, like everybody else. There is no discrimination, nobody kicks nobody's butt in the street for the fact that they are "!moldovan", etc.
I've never been to Georgia, but if they are like us, I think that "prevent ethnical cleansing" is just a pretext to keep troops there.
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"I don't know if you've ever been to Moldova, but the Russians here live an easy and safe life, like everybody else. There is no discrimination, nobody kicks nobody's butt in the street for the fact that they are "!moldovan", etc."
Yes, I've been to Moldova. There's little discrimination there, you're right.
That's why Moldovan conflict is the only one which can still be resolved peacefully.
"I think that "prevent ethnical cleansing" is just a pretext to keep troops there."
There are no troops in Georgia. There
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Do you think the problem would occur if those lands weren't forcefully populated with non-natives in the first place?
Why didn't you answer this?
There are no troops in Georgia. There are troops in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Read Wiki about conflicts between them and Georgia.
You've got to be kidding. Abkhazia is not part of Georgia?
Is Chechnya part of Russia?
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That was hardly a full-scale civil war.
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No propaganda, please!
And now think _why_ Russian army had to support minorities. And why minorities greeted army with open arms.
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"It's terrific that Russia runs to protect "minorities", except that it doesn't really care about minorities as a whole (witness the plight of the Maris in Russia itself as an example)"
Well, I congratulate you! You're a happy victim of propaganda.
During 90-s Russian government did almost exactly nothing for Russians in other countries. So Russians were (and still are) mistreated and discriminated against in several very 'free' xUSSR states.
Maybe you should stop quoting propaganda and read some history of th
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"Oh, do tell. In which way are they mistreated and discriminated? Are the poor things being forced to pass a simple official language test as a part of becoming a citizen? Because you know, it's quite difficult to do so even after living in the country for the last N decades?:
Also: a Russian can not be a president of Latvia, also Russian language is _forbidden_ for certain things there. For example, it's against the law to send a bill in Russian (even if it is translated into Latvian).
And of course, Russian
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a Russian can not be a president of Latvia
For the love of Jesus, do you expect any country to allow a non-native citizen to become its president?
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And don't forget that Transnistria has official relations with the Kremlim much like South Ossetia does.
Igor Smirnov [wikipedia.org] (the head of Transnistria) just recently had a cordial meeting with the Russian President.
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Let me put this clear for you: Romania and Moldova used to be the same country until WWII, The Republic Moldova is just a part of the historic region of Romania called Moldova(since 1359), a big part of it still lies in Romania. The USSR performed ethnic and cultural clensing there, the comunists even went so far as to trying to forbid the teaching of the Romanian language.
Since before the ellections, Romanian citizens woren't allowed to enter Moldova, and now Moldovan citizens that are currently in Romania aren't allow to go back into their own country !
There is probably going to be a millitary intervention this night, since the students even assaulted the national television while the president was there in the studio.
In Romania we went trough something simillar in 1989, it started in the city I'm studying in, Timisoara. A simillar student protest ended in the millitary shooting in the mass of students and killing not only students but everyone who was on the streets. It was a real horror show troughout the country.
If something simillar happens in Moldova I can only hope it's going to come to a millitary intervention from Romania or NATO. The revolution in Romania ended with over one thousand dead and thousands wounded, most of which wore students. I really hope other countries won't just stand by and let the same thing happen again. It's only come so far because romanian officialls allways wore big cowards afraid to say anything that would upset their Moldavian counterparts, or anyone else for that matter. If they won't do anything this time eyther, we're going to start protesting in the same manner.
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Right. I'm sure the Russians feel the same way, and aren't just waiting for an excuse to extend their sphere of influence. I'd be very surprised if their agitators weren't behind it somehow.
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Bullshit!
Most of what the AC said is true. For any westerner, Moldavia's history is convoluted and here it's not the time or place for history lesson, however, any person in their right mind would agree that the Moldavian is the same as the Romanian language (despite Moldavian-Romanian dictionaries nonsense).
Also, I have not come across any Romanian who would not supp
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This is because the Soviets took this into account and deported great numbers of people to Siberia; at the same time they "imported" a lot of Russians and offered them a place to live, the best-paying jobs, encouraged the use of the Russian language and discouraged the use of Romanian, etc.
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There are several ways in which they could cheat, doing this before or after the elections.
An observer can only see the same person walk in and out into _the same_ office to vote several times, or see a person using several voting ballots.
What an observat can't see:
- the same person voting in different voting offices
- how people were prevented from entering the country in the pre-election period
- how voting offices were not set-up in some parts of the country
- how someone shows up and uses the identity of a
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there's the communists in power, and so on. Doesn't surprise me much that they're going the same way as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine ...
Totally OT: Moldova has the BEST wine and the CRAZIEST Nightclubs.
So they party like it's 1984?
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Except that the "orange revolution" was (no conspiracy theory but a fact) set-up by the US government, including many of the protesters that stood there in the cold being payed be the CIA.
As soon as the act was over, they kicked their "so-beloved" president again, because nobody liked him, except the US.
I think you can read about it on Wikipedia somewhere.
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You can't speak for everyone else. I'm from Moldova and I can tell you that there are a lot of people here who are still able to reason clearly.
The people want it, but the leaders find it against their "business interests". It is not _us_ who came up with the stupid Moldovan-Romanian dictionary, it is not _us_ who told the Romanian government to "keep out of our internal matters", it is not _us_ who don't even speak Romanian nor bother to learn it.
What happens now is that the people are trying to get rid of these incompetent leaders.
I am ashamed every time I watch the news and see how our politicians refuse to cooperate with the Romanian government - which has tried numerous times to offer us a hand of help.
In this context it is evident why there are people in Romania who don't see Moldovans as "brothers" anymore.
The riots of 2005 in France we're powered by blogs (Score:2, Interesting)
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Sounds like a plan to me.
It isn't the government that needs to be stormed though... it is the Federal Reserve Bank.
People hear so much about the government borrowing money to give to businesses and lower banks, but where does it come from? The Federal Reserve? People would have you think it is coming from China and other foreign investors, but when THEY aren't investing, where are those dollars coming from? Ah yes, the Federal Reserve... the private bank that has exclusive right to print and distribute c
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I can't say that the money supply would be any better off in the hands of Congress
Maybe you can't, but a lot of smart people pointed that out. (The Founders) Mind you, they weren't talking about a congress full of corrupt incomptent idiots... or maybe they were, and they still thought it was better than bankers.
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You believe that do you? This is an armed and violent attack on the government. The government can deploy troops with heavy caliber machine guns with armor piercing rounds. Those rounds will go through two or more people. Bring in tanks from the rear. Now you have a squeeze play, with the rioters trapped between machine guns in the front and machine guns on tanks advancing towards them in the back. Lets not forget white phosphorous
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If you do that, you will lose the survivors too (they will move to Romania, Ucraina or other countries).
Again, if you do that, the elders will still replace you. And you will die in pain.
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I highly doubt that NATO would be able to justify intervening when this is a violent insurrection.
Example Tweet (Score:5, Funny)
Alright, we've got to overthrow those assholes running this country. And we've got to do it in 140 characters or less. So I want everyone to
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brb rvltn
Darn! (Score:2)
Moldova is on my short list of places I want to visit in this world before I die. I'm happy to go places that aren't exactly tourist-ready but any place where "students are storming the presidency and parliament" is just too unstable to contemplate.
Cross Moldova off the list for now. Maybe in a couple of years, though.
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Actually things are not that bad, this event is uncommon and it doesn't fit into the pattern.
Let me know when you're here :-)
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In truth, it will probably be at least a couple of years before I can make the trip. Even then, I'll probably limit myself to Chisinau for the jazz festival. With that in mind, I'll try to remember to drop you a line before I come.
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French did this for years.. (Score:2)
They where using 'online' to co ordinate national strikes back in the 1980's
Re:Is this the first? (Score:4, Funny)
If it isn't, Slashdot ain't doin' its job.
If Slashdot was doing its job it would be the FRIST REVOLUTION!.
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Perhaps "lead" as in what bullets are made of is accurate?
it is after all a form of rebellion, in an eastern european country, no less.
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tldr
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tldr
Too Lazy; Didn't Revolt?
No. Tweeter Leads: Do Revolt
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You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, Because the revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions. The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be brought to you by the Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia. The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal. The revolution will not get rid of the nubs. The revolution will not make you look five pounds thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother. There will be no pictures of you and Willie May pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run, or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance. NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32 or report from 29 districts. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down brothers in the instant replay. There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process. There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving For just the proper occasion. Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and women will not care if Dick finally gets down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people will be in the street looking for a brighter day. The revolution will not be televised. There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock news and no pictures of hairy armed women liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose. The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb, Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will not be right back after a message bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people. You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl. The revolution will not go better with Coke. The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath. The revolution will put you in the driver's seat. The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised, will not be televised. The revolution will be no re-run brothers; The revolution will be live.
Burmashave
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Once you have stopped/destroyed "the machine", what will replace it?
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Duuuuh.
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I hope you are joking because we saw how well that worked in Soviet Russia, among other places.
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I suppose they stood outside the White House holding blown-up printouts of Goatse.
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Just take a look http://unimedia.info/ [unimedia.info] ! These guys are serious...
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Mod parent up. I let my damn mod points expire...
Unimedia is normally unimedia.md. Inside Moldovia, in other words. They're using outside hosting because everything in .md is down.
They're updating their page chronologically, with timestamps. The parliament building has been occupied since yesterday and..... CNN has yet to notice it. At all. Amazing.
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The parliament building has been occupied since yesterday and..... CNN has yet to notice it. At all. Amazing.
Not so amazing.
They just don't want to give angry US citizens who are already organizing in ever-larger numbers for Tea Partys any ideas that might end up putting their Messiahs' and the new spendulous-taxulous liberal-Democrat U.S. regimes' "New Order" at risk, especially as U.S. citizens have firearms.
For now.
Strat
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I'm much more "libertarian" with a small "L" as the current policies and platforms espoused by the Libertarian Party aren't realistic in many ways IMO. I don't like the actions of either of the two major parties and haven't for many, many years. I never said the Republicans were any better. Especially the last Republican administration. Both parties are two faces of the same B.S. The current Democrat administration & congress are, however, taking the tax & spend strategy to new heights.
I mentioned t
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Evidently there IS an Internet kill switch in Moldovia. The whole country is offline. The major news portal that is normally hosted inside the country has put up a temporary site for itself hosted outside. See the unimedia link further down the comments.
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