Video Surveillance Tech Detects Abnormal Activity 189
Repton writes with news of a company, Behavioral Recognition Systems, that has received 16 patents on a new video surveillance application that can convert video images into machine-readable language, and then analyze them for anomalies that suggest suspicious behavior in the camera's field of view. The software can 'recognize' up to 300 objects and establish a baseline of activity. It should go on sale in September. "...the BRS Labs technology will likely create a fair number of false positives, [the CEO] concedes. 'We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept,' he says. 'We could be wrong.'"
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Funny, my thought on reading your comment was "If that isn't a link to ED-209 or similar, then they've failed."
Well played.
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Abnormal activity for a machine like that would just be some guy wearing blue.
Need a sentry here!
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OMG dude.. haven't we learned anything from The Terminator?
We've got http://www.skynetusa.com/ [skynetusa.com] which makes switching power supply units, http://www.skynet.net/ [skynet.net] air freight, and http://www.tntskynet.com/ [tntskynet.com] Internet service.
Power, the ability to travel globally, network and internet access... the only thing lacking was automated intelligent guns. And here they are.
"If man can dream it, man can achieve it."
We're doomed. Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!
Don't forget Cyberdyne (Score:2)
http://www.cyberdynegauges.net/ [cyberdynegauges.net]
ALL YOUR GAUGE ARE BELONG TO US
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if all the other ways we are going to destroy ourselves weren't enough...
We're building Skynet one aspect at a time.
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Great! Now, all they have to do is combine that with this [youtube.com], and we can all sleep soundly.
With one of those I'd be a little afraid of that "three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events"...
oh yeah? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:oh yeah? (Score:5, Funny)
Why don't you try starting a conversation?
Re:oh yeah? (Score:5, Funny)
Computers are already smart enough to talk to us.
Do computers worry you ?
They just don't have anything interesting to say.
I'm not sure I understand you fully.
Why don't you try starting a conversation?
Do you believe I don't try starting a conversation ?
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The computer is your friend.
Re:oh yeah? (Score:5, Funny)
It looks like you're trying to start a converstion. Would you like to:
* Talk about sport.
* Talk about politics.
* Tell me how your day went.
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You forgot the last option:
* Shut up, and get me a beer.
Re:oh yeah? (Score:5, Funny)
You're trying to start a conversation with a computer.
Cancel or Allow?
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Doesn't need to be all that accurate (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure everyone on Slashdot is donning their tinfoil hats and screaming big brother (I've already seen a couple posts to that effect) but that really isn't the target market. You'll find that by far the most customers of CCTV equipment are private companies. Pretty much any large store will have an extensive CCTV system to watch for shoplifting.
Ok well the problem is that you have to have humans watching it for suspicious activity. It is completely infeasible to hire one human per camera, and the more cameras a given human has to watch, the less they catch. Well, something like this could help. If it sees something suspicious, it brings it up on a display to one of the security personnel. The person then decides if it is a problem, or a false alarm.
A moderate amount of false alarms is fine. This wouldn't be a case of "The system went off, arrest him!" It'd be a case of "The system went off, let's have a human watch and see what's going on." It would allow for better use of security personnel.
Heck, I'd be interested in a system like this at work. We have CCTV on our computer labs. However we don't have anyone monitoring it. It's more for liability reasons, and so that if someone steals or damages a computer, we can hopefully help the police catch them. However prevention is better than clean up. So it'd be cool if when the system thought something was wrong, it'd notify staff and we could look. If everything was fine, we carry on as normal. If something is indeed happening, we call the police.
You've got to stop with the idea that these sort of things are designed to figure out what you are thinking for some evil government plan. They aren't. They are designed to help make security systems more effective.
Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate (Score:5, Interesting)
A bigger issue with a system like this would be false negatives. Economics being what it is, this means that the organizations deploying these cameras would likely end up hiring less people to watch the monitors per camera (whether that means an increase in cameras or a decrease in staff.) Therefore, the people watching the monitors would end up relying on the system to look for suspicious behavior. Then false negatives start to come into play. "suspicious behavior" that a human would notice and investigate may be missed by the system, and therefore go uninvestigated. This could cause escalating problems when people decide to learn what behaviors would trigger a "suspicious" flag and then go about doing their nefarious deeds where a human could have spotted them.
Sure, it would be possible to institute an automated suspicious behavior system to augment existing systems, but in reality it would end up taking away from resources used for security. Even if the system would not reduce security levels, a system such as this would at least reduce the future investment in other proven security methods, such as an increase of competent staff to watch the monitors.
Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate (Score:4, Informative)
Stocktakes tell the store owner how much is being lost via theft. Economics being what it is, you can use this information to measure your security bang for buck and notice there is a point where diminishing returns makes eliminating the remaining false negatives a net loss. At this point your best option is to maintain the same level of risk aversion for less money. People who run large sets of cameras are the target market so IMHO the false negatives will be expected/ignored by the buyer, they (rational but non-technical bussiness buyers) will simply want to know what it all means for their bottom line.
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The ratio of false positives really shouldn't be that much of an issue if the system is implemented properly.
This is a very difficult AI problem, so it takes a lot more than just software engineering to get it right.
Sorry... I was a little vague there. By "implemented properly" I was referring to how situations are dealt with once the system flags a positive, whether false or true. I assume the baseline procedure is that a human then checks the recorded event to see if this is something that warrants investigation, which would most likely help in situations where there would have previously been security personnel watching a monitor. This would indeed create higher security when a flag is raised as it helps to dra
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I think your foil hat is too tight.
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Computers are magic to most users.
They just believe the results they spit out uncritically.
I've seen this behavior in groups you wouldn't believe could possibly be that dumb.
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Consider this. For years we have been medicating and locking up people who think that governments, and companies, are watching them under the diagnosis of mental illness. Now you are accepting that such measures need to become a reality.
Re:Doesn't need to be all that accurate (Score:4, Insightful)
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A moderate amount of false alarms is fine. This wouldn't be a case of "The system went off, arrest him!" It'd be a case of "The system went off, let's have a human watch and see what's going on." It would allow for better use of security personnel.
Exactly. At the moment a lot of CCTV systems have video switches that are triggered by PIR sensors in the area covered by the camera - what BRS are proposing sounds like a smarter way of doing this.
I don't want to have to watch my CCTV monitors all the time. I'
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Did you ever think that maybe security systems are already "effective" enough?
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Heck, I'd be interested in a system like this at work. We have CCTV on our computer labs. However we don't have anyone monitoring it. It's more for liability reasons, and so that if someone steals or damages a computer, we can hopefully help the police catch them. However prevention is better than clean up. So it'd be cool if when the system thought something was wrong, it'd notify staff and we could look. If everything was fine, we carry on as normal. If something is indeed happening, we call the police.
Th
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What a system is designed for and what a system is ultimately used for are two very different things. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.
Scope creep (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, this is why any such technology must be viewed with some concern. In parallel with requiring people to change their behaviour for the benefit of the machine, we also have the danger of trusting the machine. Sooner or later, some jobsworth will decide that a beep on the machine constitutes "reasonable grounds" for suspicion, which is all that is required to stop/search or arrest someone in some places. Ironically, a 1-in-4 failure rate is probably a good thing here, since at least then such a decision i
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She probably could, but (a) only for a fee, (b) there's no guarantee the same won't happen with the new number plate next week, and (c) it won't clear the numerous outstanding fines threatening to bankrupt her anyway, and (d) the same could happen to anyone else, too. It might be a pragmatic step to take in her position, but it's far from a robust way to fix the underlying mess.
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And for epic fail... (Score:1)
Imagine deploying this system at a furry convention.
Re:And for epic fail... (Score:5, Funny)
I'd guess the cameras would most likely be programmed to identify the subject(s) as mentally disturbed, but most likely harmless.
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If this was plugged into nearby billboards (like in Minority Report), wearing the costume through the metro would be worth it just to see people freak out over the ads for furry porn.
America, what a country! (Score:5, Funny)
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But no DSP patents allowed (Score:1)
I hope they don't bet the company on these patents since, as was discussed on ./ less than 24 hours ago, software patents involving digital signals may be invalid. (The field is generally called Digital Signal Processing.)
false positives (Score:5, Insightful)
grenade in mouth (Score:5, Informative)
I swear you must be a troll from Homeland Security...
That's like saying "Oh sure, it is worrisome that I have a live hand grenade with the pin pulled jammed in my mouth, but I don't think it would be extremely bad if it just blew off one of my pinky toes"
This kind of technology makes me want riot...ahem...i mean...to exercise my 1st amendment right to protest in a law abiding way.
I'm sickened. The CEO says: "We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept."
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I just don't think this is that big of a deal. I do think it will be extremely easy to game, e.g. flood it with FPs like the congestion charge cameras in the UK. It will be interesting to see what games people come up with.
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Because the congestion charge in London has been defeated in this way...?
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Not defeated, gamed:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=270079&cid=20234567 [slashdot.org]
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false dichotomy..."either we have behavior monitoring cameras or we have nothing"
c'mon man...depending on where you're talking about it can be a host of strategies. strategies that work. look 9/11 could have EASILY been prevented if screeners checked the damn No-fly list and detained the guys with FUCKING UTILITY KNIVES for some background checks and questioning.
shoe bomber...hmmm guy with one way ticket and no luggage shabbily dressed and unkept...detain for questioning...don't need a damn bullshit 'behavi
My solution.. (Score:1)
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What? You're not already practised? You got a lot of catching up to do!
There's an easy way to torpedo this... (Score:5, Interesting)
There's an easy way to deal with you... (Score:4, Interesting)
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I'd love to see those videos on youtube, then.
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HOWTO: guerilla PR for your startup (Score:5, Insightful)
1. File a bunch of mumbo jumbo patents on video surveillance
2. Convince some trade rag to interview your CEO
3. Submit the story to /. as a clear and present danger to "Your Rights Online"
4. ?
5. Go public!
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what a concidence (Score:2, Offtopic)
How Good Is The AI? (Score:2)
As noted in TFA and if the false positive ratio can be reduced to even 10-to-1, this technology might rapidly become the best friend of the fellow who has to constantly scan 100 surveillance screens for unusual activity.
But this system's definition of "unusual activity" intrigues me. If one of these toys is set up for example in a bank to monitor a vault door and a bank guard passes by the door every hour on his rounds, the software would presumably record that as "normal" activity. What is the "unusua
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But this system's definition of "unusual activity" intrigues me. If one of these toys is set up for example in a bank to monitor a vault door and a bank guard passes by the door every hour on his rounds, the software would presumably record that as "normal" activity. What is the "unusual" element that would prod the AI into sending an alert if a thief did exactly the same thing? What dynamic does the system employ to determine if a bank guard is a legitimate bank guard or Willie Sutton? The time it happened? Facial recognition? The fact that the "bank guard" pulled a cutting torch or dynamite out of his backpack and started going to town on the vault door?
Maybe it flags people who hide their face from the camera.
Re:100 surveillance screens (Score:3, Insightful)
100 screens, assume each one rotates thru, um, 5 cameras, that's 500 cameras, say $3000 per, 1.5 million bucks. You could actually HIRE HUMANS, say 20 of'em, at $75K each to watch 5 screens each, and have a 1:1 ratio of accuracy.
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> You could actually HIRE HUMANS, say 20 of'em, at $75K each to watch 5 screens each, and
> have a 1:1 ratio of accuracy.
Never pulled guard duty, did you? you won't get a "1:1 ratio of accuracy" even if you hire someone for each individual camera.
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Actually, yes I have. You'd be surprised how "abnormal behavior" fails to appear when a guard, even unarmed, walks by every few hours.
Ghosts? (Score:2)
Does it detect ghosts? [youtube.com]
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How about UFOs?
Bigfoot? Unicorns? Sasquatch? Leprechauns? Phoenix?
Chupathingy?
Don't fret (Score:2)
Ignoring the Orwellian references, could this be used for some good?
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UK citizens are safe in the knowledge that they're being watched [wired.com].
That poster is no one-off either. After it became fashionable to compare everything to 1984 the Government agencies realised they could play on people's paranoia. Hence the 'watchful eyes' poster, the targeting benefit fraud campaign and the warning to car tax evaders ("You can't escape the DVLA computer").
"Abnormal Activity" (Score:5, Funny)
Abnormal activity? You mean like a slashdotter outside, in the sun, with a date?
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I hope it validates the inputs to the abnormality calculation function or it'll get a divide-by-zero error and crash when it sees that.
Acceptance (Score:1)
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There wasn't even a mention of police. There was a -former- SS guy, who is not an 'IT consultant' that made 1 statement.
Someone else said it earlier: The main customer for this is private businesses, not the government.
And if we were going to protest private businesses monitoring us, that milestone was passed long ago. If you don't want to be monitored by a computer, don't shop at a retail store. Period.
Personally, I'm just not worried about it. I don't steal, and if some store accused me of it, I'd ha
Abnormally this: (Score:5, Funny)
Operator: Ummm... Why has it shown me Jeremy just sitting there?
Machine: Nope, there he goes again, digging away at his nose, everything back to normal. Better stop transmitting.
Machine: Whoa, he stopping barking for boogers again! Better show the boss!!
Operator: Why does this dumbass machine keep showing me Jeremy just sitting there for goodness sake...
Machine: Boss! Boss! Come on, look! DIFFERENT! ABNORMAL!
Operator: *Hmmm what's for lunch...*
bad headline (Score:2)
Anyone else read that as "Video Surveillance TechNICIAN Detects Abnormal Activity"? I was confused for a bit.
A ratio of three-to-one false alarms?! (Score:4, Interesting)
If that's what they're shooting for, then I have a name for the system:
Cry Wolf!
Because, that's all it's really going to do!
Heaven help any street performer that gets caught by this video frankenstein's monster, because the cops will, in some jurisdictions, come in blasting away and a mime is a terrible thing to waste!
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This has to depend on how often genuine events occur. For example, if they never occur, every alert will be a false positive. Obviously it wouldn't be deployed w
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From the article:
I read that as three alerts, only one of which is an "actual event". It could still be useful if applied properly, of course.
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As long as the cops are using silencers, that is the only proper way.
I disagree [imdb.com]:
[coming down from quicksilver madness]
Darien Fawkes: There was a mime. I beat the Hell out of a mime. What happened to him? Is he okay?
Robert Hobbes: Relax. He did not recover.
Darien Fawkes: Thank God!
Technically impossible (Score:5, Interesting)
There is no way they can recognize 300 objects in real world conditions. I work in machine learning (academics) and the current record for generic object recognition sits at around 54-57% for the Caltech 101 database (contains images of 101 different objects). So basically the algorithms of the best and brightest minds in academia (LeCun, Poggio, Lowe, etc) get it wrong half the time !!
If any government officials are listening... Please don't waste our tax money on this !
Re:Technically impossible... (Score:2)
And it had to fly with 4 degree no
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If any government officials are listening...
They're not.
Nose pick alert! Nose pick alert! (Score:1)
Unusual is abnormal (Score:5, Insightful)
To the fool who tagged this 'unusualisnotabnormal':
You're wrong. Unusual and abnormal mean essentially the same thing - something out of the ordinary, something not routine.
If the point you were trying to make is that authorities shouldn't be suspicious of every unusual occurrence, then perhaps something like 'unusualisnotwrong' would have better served your purpose.
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And that sort of thing is part of the reason why I disabled tags in my preferences - for every one good, useful tag there are half a dozen or more stupid, useless or just plain wrong ones.
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No, he's right.
It's unusual, but sometimes geysers spray water in the air.
It's abnormal that Old Faithful no longer sprays at one-hour intervals.
It's unusual, but normal for February to have a number of days other than 28.
Abnormal Behavior (Score:1)
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The ratio will be much higher than three to one... (Score:2)
...once it becomes known what sets it off.
Being the former architect of a... (Score:5, Informative)
...wide area surveillance system (which included video analytics for loitering, wrong way traffic in a crowd, crowd panic analysis, smoke/fire detection by video, et cetera) I can point out that there are MANY companies, corporate research groups, and universities that have been doing things like this for several years (in some cases almost 10 years.)
This company is in for a rude awakening when they realize that (a)their price per camera is extraordinarily high (this one metric is the biggest decider in large installation proposals [along with whether or not you have to mount the cameras on poles or just hallways/buildings]) and (b)a false alert rate of 3 to 1 is TOTALLY unacceptable. The entire purpose of video analytics in a security environment is to reduce the workload on the monitoring staff (and hopefully put more of them out into the field) while being able to scale up your coverage. I assure you that a 3 to 1 false alert rate will result in zero customers in a year. Measuring the false alert rate is also highly subjective. Companies tend to use a given scenario repeatedly to measure their results when, of course, this has little to no bearing on reality. Things like the weather (moving shadows affect certain algorithms even when accounted for algorithmically, headlights, flashlights, camera flashes change things, wind, rain, snow, bugs, everything you can imagine, lol...) negate all of these measurements.
It is nice to see new blood in this space, but I hope they were smart enough to make their software offerings totally distinct from their hardware (many companies do not) so that they can integrate with other systems without to much work. That's the best way to make money in the video analytics market right now. The big boys (like SIEMENS) got into the game about 3 years ago and they'll squeeze you out every time unless you can offer something that helps them land a big deal.
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All the algorithms for learning/extracting backgrounds are available in publications/subscriptions/internet and have been for years. Sad that people would need a GPL codebase to implement them, lol...
What IS the false positive rate? (Score:2)
Notice that the spokesperson says "We think a three-to-one ratio of alerts to actual events is what the market will accept."
What he doesn't say is what their actual false positive rate in testing was... or any reason for believing the false positive rate will, in fact, be anywhere near that low.
I've come to be very leery of that sort of hypothetical statement... ones that lead you to think something has been said that hasn't been said. He's saying that 3:1 is a plausible goal, but he's not saying they've ac
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Direct actions against soldiers invading a country is normally done by patriots and allies of the patriots, not terrorists.
The US employs snipers in Iraq also - are they terrorists by your definition?
US munitions companies make bombs that are dropped from planes in Iraq - are they terrorists, too?
Remember, the US president carried out the invasion of soveriegn nation recognized by the United Nations, overthrew its government and inst
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The terrorists we've arrested are largely foreigners, so it's tough for me to accept them as "patriots". They indiscrimantly kill innocent Iraqis, which is the big reason behind the Anbar awakening. There have also been several that I know of that showed up in Iraq and realized it was all a mistake: the U.S. was doing the right thing, and the violence was due to Sunni
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Here's what you don't see because of where you are and what you know: The US public does NOT know what's going on in Iraq. The government has lied to us repeatedly, "spin doctored" the truth, hidden facts that really didn't need to be hidden, controlled the media instead of allowing freely reported news of all viewpoints, etc. Not just about Iraq, but about ev
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Why rely on what the media finds "newsworthy"?
The MNF PAO has a website [mnf-iraq.com] with RSS feeds of all releases.
Of course, now you're dependent on what the MNF find "newsworthy".