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UK's House of Lords Speaks To Voters Via YouTube, Blogs 109

PHPNerd writes "In a bold move to connect with the next generation of young British voters, the House of Lords has launched a YouTube video series that will detail what it does and make it more accessible to the younger generation. It accompanies an experimental blog in which various Lords write about political issues and can receive feedback from anyone around the world. The article quotes spokesman Owen Williams saying, 'We're trying to engage with younger people and people who may not be interested in politics. We looked at YouTube because it appeals to people outside the political elite.' Is this doomed to failure, or should more governments be doing something similar?"
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UK's House of Lords Speaks To Voters Via YouTube, Blogs

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  • I wonder if we can expect other branches of the government to follow suit?
    • If, then I hope they won't using some proprietary technology like Flash. This may become the ODF issue all over again (though probably on a lesser extent); so let me be the first to say in this thread: Governments should use exclusively open standards.
      • Seriously, this is like the fifth time I've seen this on /. Sure, for a time flash support wasn't too great with Linux, but who is so annal about open standards that they won't use a free and multi-platform service like flash. OSS and commercial software both have the right to exist you know. Anyway, its a good idea for the lords. They have a major image problem and need more programs like this to correct it.
        • Sure, for a time flash support wasn't too great with Linux

          And still isn't. It eats lots of resources and creates instabilities inside Firefox because it runs in the same thread.
          And it's for i386 only, at a time when 64bits processors are almost standard.
          Thus forcing 64bits Linux users to either use an additional unsupported layer to adapt it into 64bits browser, or to switch back to a 32bits software.
          There's no flash on the iPhone.
          There's no flash on the PS3/Linux.
          There's no flash on most PDAs.
          There's no flash for anything else except i386. Not for any of the var

      • by Dwedit ( 232252 )
        "Flash Video" is nothing more than MPEG 4 video in a different container. It's about as proprietary as XVID.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by miruku ( 642921 )
      Not for now.

      Speaker blocks moves to put parliament on YouTube [computing.co.uk]

      "Footage from the chamber and committee rooms are only available subject to a licence which is issued by the speaker.

      Martin will not allow material to be available on web sites such as MySociety and YouTube for fear of manipulation, according to deputy commons leader Helen Goodman.

      "The licence stipulates that material must not be hosted on a searchable web site and must not be downloadable," she said."
  • by fyoder ( 857358 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @01:26AM (#23789499) Homepage Journal

    'We're trying to engage with younger people and people who may not be interested in politics.
    Uh huh. And why would people not interested in politics tune into something about politics? Are they going to be rapping or something?

    We are the members of the House of Lords
    And what we're laying down won't make you bored.
    We debate the shit the House of Commons proposes,
    But we ain't no rubber stamp like some people might supposes.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Yo Woolsack, don't think I is gay,
      'Cos I gonna ask the Hon. Member to give way
      Whilst some fools be acting bent,
      We ensure all legislation gets an independent review before receiving Royal Assent.

      M.C. McGonnagal

      • by pjt33 ( 739471 )
        Who you dissing with "the Hon. Member"?
        It's "the noble Lord", make sure you remember!
    • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @06:47AM (#23790695) Homepage Journal

      When Britain really ruled the waves,
      In good Queen Bess's day,
      The House of Lords made no pretense,
      to intellectual eminence,
      or scholarship sublime.
      Yet Britan won its proudes bays,
      in good Queen Bess's days.

      When Wellington thrashed Bonaparte,
      as every child can tell,
      the House of Lords throughout the war,
      did nothing in par-tic-ular.
      Yet Britain set the world ablaze,
      in Good King George's glorious days.

      And while the House of Peers withholds,
      its legislative hand,
      And noble statement do not itch,
      to interfere in matters which,
      They do not understand,
      As bright will shine Great Britains rays,
      as in King George's glorious days!

      • A couple of corrections:

        When Britain really ruled the waves,
        In good Queen Bess's day,
        The House of Peers made no pretense,
        to intellectual eminence,
        or scholarship sublime.
        Yet Britain won its proudest bays,
        in good Queen Bess's days.

        When Wellington thrashed Bonaparte,
        as every child can tell,
        the House of Peers throughout the war,
        did nothing in par-tic-ular,
        and did it very well.
        Yet Britain set the world ablaze,
        in Good King George's glorious days.

        And while the House of Peers withholds,
        its legislative hand,
        And nobl
    • Could I get a transcript or something? I speak American and I couldn't understand a word they were saying.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 14, 2008 @01:27AM (#23789503)
    I welcome our new YouTube over^WLords.
    • Damn...I will the US Congress would go all out to do this type thing AND actually have all members have to participate in the broadcasts and feedback, so as to have more direct input from the people.

      However, I'm guessing that this is expressedly prohibited by each members contract with their sponsoring corporation.

    • it is the best excuse to envolve the youth in the political rivalry.they should probably write a book on xcuses.an xcuse pls: i want to sleep in my history class what can i say to my teacher? ummm maybe that i was listening her with my eyes closed.what say . politicions should not bring there messy affairs to blogs pls.and by the way what are they doing beeing huddled on a computer when they should be campaining outside.
  • by Triv ( 181010 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @01:41AM (#23789565) Journal
    Connecting to them pesky youngsters has been tried before. It didn't turn out so well [youtube.com].
  • by eclectro ( 227083 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @01:48AM (#23789599)
    I would not only encourage young people in Britian to watch youtube, but to also have more tea parties.

    Love,
    American Nerd.
    • by dens ( 98172 )
      Make tea, not love!

      - Hell's Grannies
    • I would not only encourage young people in Britian to watch youtube, but to also have more tea parties.

      I agree! We should throw the goods foisted on us with unfavourable trade treaties by those imperialist and aggressively repressive "foreigners" from the other side of the Atlantic into the harbour where they came ashore! No more shall the government of the United States of America transparently manipulate our government into pandering only to their interests, to the detriment of the loyal people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island!

      ....oh, that wasn't what you meant?

  • Constitutional Role (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gilgongo ( 57446 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @01:49AM (#23789605) Homepage Journal
    YouTube videos would seem to be entirely consistent with the English constitution, according to Bagehot [wikipedia.org]:

    "The fancy of the mass of men is incredibly weak; it can see nothing without a visible symbol, and there is much that it can scarcely make out with a symbol. Nobility is the symbol of mind. It has the marks from which the mass of men always used to infer mind, and often still infer it. A common clever man who goes into a country place will get no reverence; but the 'old squire' will get reverence. Even after he is insolvent, when every one knows that his ruin is but a question of time, he will get five times as much respect from the common peasantry as the newly-made rich man who sits beside him. The common peasantry will listen to his nonsense more submissively than to the new man's sense. An old lord will get infinite respect. His very existence is so far useful that it awakens the sensation of obedience to a sort of mind - the coarse dull, contracted multitude, who could neither appreciate or perceive any other."
  • This reminds me of the stupid second life hearing they pulled in the US.

    The posturing was so obvious and stilted it wasn't funny.

    such lines were spoken as---"you just want help getting to the seventh level in world of warcraft"

    They might have thought it was a success but they came off sounding even less connected with the ipod generation than "series of tubes" Ted.

    If they want to reach out to we, the younger generations, then they need to stop railing against a common, accepted, everyday activity for 99.9%
    • by TapeCutter ( 624760 ) * on Saturday June 14, 2008 @02:56AM (#23789857) Journal
      "Represent US rather than them"

      I would argue that everybody should be represented in the house of Lords. And in general the people who are appointed have either held power or are well versed in 'speaking truth to power'. Together they make up a broad political cross-section of society that is largely driven by the priciples of science and law, it's quite amazing sometimes to sudenly hear a politican make sense and express doubt when they have been freed from the schackles of party policy. I would also argue that the US copyright regime and a large spontaneous US festival in the 60's should not be on top of their agenda.

      IMHO setting up shop on youtube is an excercise in transperancy (others may see it as propoganda), either way there are plenty of old farts from the 60's like me who use it, and transperancy (or access to all propoganda's if you like) is always a GoodThing(TM). OTOH the second life thing sounds like an experiment with 'the new media' that was sold to someone without a clue, I would expect better from THoL.
  • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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  • by religious freak ( 1005821 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @02:14AM (#23789701)
    If they try to "make it cool" in an attempt to make it accessible, it will fail and be quite embarrassing (see HoL rap above!).

    If they make it accessible by speaking plainly, relating the issues to how they affect young people, Britain, and the world, it might have a shot at moderate success. (particularly if they show it in schools)

    In any event, if executed halfway decently, I believe they should be commended for trying, regardless of the outcome.
    • I suggest you to go to that blog and read a few entries yourself. I haven't noticed any attempts to "make it cool" there from the first glance - only serious and rather in-depth comments on interesting political issues.
    • Oh yes the more they try and make it "cool" the more they might become a laughing stock rather than getting the message across then it will end up being satirised on one of our television shows and that will ice the proverbial.

      Let's hope it does have a positive effect as too many youngsters do not have a clue about politics and either don't go and vote or go and vote for the one with the weirdest name / nicest colour badge etc.

      Personally I use messenger to get my kids to come for their tea and it work
  • anybody that rickrolls them will be spending 42 days at her majesties pleasure tho.
  • I've often wished that governments and politicians would use a blog system like Slash. Contentious issues are so prone to all the problems slash was designed to deal with - think how good it would be!

    Hopefully this is the first step in that direction.

    I wonder if slash is up to the task of handling such contentious material? Politicians and their "offices" can be so viciously manipulative sometimes...
    • What, more or less vicious and manipulative than people who are emotionally invested in free software, anti DRM, Microsoft hatred, Apple love .... ?

      I totally agree that Slashcode should be used more widely for hosting debates. Wordpress really doesn't cut it, it just can't scale as well as Slashcode can.

      That said, there are a couple of things to be wary of. One is that Slashcode has a few problems that for whatever reason have never been fixed. One is that the overrated/underrated mods shouldn't exist

    • by BarneyL ( 578636 )
      And I for one welcome our new in-joking overlords...
  • It's not just the House of Lords. Here are two YouTube videos of Sir Norman Fry (of the House of Commons) explaining a few things.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZO6w0rl6Y [youtube.com]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF6eRIAA6mE [youtube.com]
  • they caould also ... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    use a Wiki to allow laws to be written
    • by Ihmhi ( 1206036 )

      Brilliant idea!

      "Furthermore, it will be illegal to Lord Byron sucks dick park on the street with your vehicle facing oncoming traffic..."

  • The House of Lords (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kupfernigk ( 1190345 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @04:38AM (#23790241)
    The great thing about being a non-elected lord is that you don't have to do and think vile things to get elected. Perhaps it's a sad fact, but true. Years ago, there was a police attack on a number of really quite harmless hippies in Wiltshire. Unfortunately a member of the Lords was passing by on his motorcycle, observed the whole thing and reported it to the Lords. The outcome was not pleasant for the police. I am quite sure that a local elected politician would not have rocked the boat in this way.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by radio4fan ( 304271 )
      That was the Battle of the Beanfield [wikipedia.org].

      The peer was the Earl of Cardigan.

      The police largely got away with it, of course.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The House Of Lords do a lot of good in protecting the rights of ordinary people, among other things. In theory I'd be against them, but they seem to show a great deal more common sense, and lack of cronyism and corruption compared to MPs. Compare and contrast live feeds from Parliament and the Lords - the latter are polite and intelligent, the former are seriously depressing.
  • If they want to connect with todays generation they should fund a new Spitting Image series. At least people could name politicians during the years it was on the air.
  • The Royal Channel (Score:2, Interesting)

    by stevegee58 ( 1179505 )
    Actually, the British Monarchy has a very nice web site at http://www.royal.gov.uk/ [royal.gov.uk] and a YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/theroyalchannel [youtube.com].
  • by damburger ( 981828 ) on Saturday June 14, 2008 @06:53AM (#23790711)

    Or rather, I wouldn't be surprised if one did.

    The unelected house of lords appears to be contributing most of the good governance of the UK whilst the elected house of commons is contributing most of the crappy stuff.

    If we can't fix our system of government (the main probably being we lack a proper head of state, leaving the head of government with excessive powers) then how can we convince younger generations that democracy is worth it?

    • by zsau ( 266209 )
      Is it? From here it looks like all the crap Britain does is the doing of the Commons and the Cabinet. Speaking as someone who comes from a free country that doesn't have anything remotely resembling a bill of rights, freedom and good governance come from the expectation of freedom and good governance, not from any particular structure.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Angostura ( 703910 )
      I'd say the problem isn't anything to do with the head of state, it's the fact that the legislature cannot hold the executive to account in a meaningful way on most occasions. Indeed, the Commons is often bypassed as the government makes up policy as it goes along.

      Personally, I think a strengthening of the Select Committee system is the way to go.... but that doesn't sound very sexy, does it?

      OK, I also have a mad proposal for reform of The House of Lords, that I think would help, but would never be accepted
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Reziac ( 43301 ) *
        But the point is partly that the Lords are NEVER beholden to anyone's favours to get elected.

        Under your system, I think we would see a rush of "retirements" and a great many underhanded deals of the type "You elect me and I'll elect you".

        If someone is known to be too much of a freethinker, NO ONE in the Commons (except the candidate himself) would wish him elected to a body that could thwart the Commons' will.

  • The UK Lords may send their dry message via youtube, but only American Judges send pr0n. [theregister.co.uk]
  • Since we're talking about the House of Lords, does that mean that they're preparing YouTube videos with the Queen as the intended audience?

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