Chinese Government Sued Over Dog Height Censorship 259
Googling Yourself writes "More than 30,000 censors are employed in China to monitor the Internet, so it was no surprise when censors deleted a posting by Chen Yuhua protesting Beijing municipal government's regulations barring any dog over 14 inches high and restricting each family to only one dog. The surprise (reports the Washington Post) was when Chen studied China's civil code and marched into court with a lawsuit, only the second time that a Chinese citizen has gone to court over party censorship. 'I was very careful to follow the correct procedure,' Chen said in an interview, while pointing at the official legal manual on his dining room table. On December 14 Chen was told by clerks that the district court, after referring to higher-level judges for advice, had decided to reject the case. The next step, Chen said, is an appeal to the Supreme Court."
Heightism (Score:5, Funny)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tj_Tr7w8d4 [youtube.com]
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please mod parent into the stratosphere.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvDAk1nCNJE [youtube.com]
Re:Heightism (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is it okay for a dog to piss on the sidewalk, but an arrestable offense when a human does the same? Seriously. No one has ever provided a good answer to this. Urine is sterile, and dog piss smells just as bad as human piss (asparagus aside).
I won't even get into the poop.
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Re:Heightism (Score:5, Insightful)
No, seriously, I don't think it's the urine that's a problem. For instance, if I were to take 100mL of human urine in a sealed container outside and dump it, would there be a different set of laws broken than if it were 100mL of dog urine I was dumping? Essentially I believe it is the act of urination that is an arrestable offense, not the environmental contamination caused by the urine. The reason for that is it's definitely a social norm that one goes to the bathroom, well, in the bathroom, preferably in a toilet. Expecting all dogs to adhere to the same standards is unrealistic, and the law reflects that.
I can't believe I spent time thinking about this. . .
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I understand that people like their dogs, but would it be too much to ask them to curb them? They already pick up the feces... just lead them to the curb when they squat! Surely handling fresh steaming dog shit is more of a burden than making them piss on the curb?
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Actually, that smell is bacteria getting a foothold on the once sterile urine.
Once it leaves your body, it's not going to be sterile for long. Thus urine is actually quite a bit of a health hazard. It's "okay" for a dog to piss on the street because no one has figured out a good alternative yet. Ideally you'd want your dog to use the grass instead (where it gets absorbed into the ground and becomes plant nutrients), but grass is hard to find in
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Sounds like the Chinese government have made a good start to me. Now they just need to ban all dogs.
Gradually my neighborhood here in the US has been taken over by irresponsible dog owners. Now my 3 year old son can't play in the park across the street any more because its is filled with dog shit everywhere and every night I'm kept awake or woken at 3am because of all the barking around the neighborhoo
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Just watch the spot for awhile, and take pictures of the people who don't pick up their poo. Then call the police. After a few tickets, they'll start learning to pick it up. Actually, I've found around my house that it's usually teenagers who don't pick it up. Sending a letter to their parents can be just as effective.
and every night I'm kept awake or woken at 3am because of all the barking around the neighborhood.
This one's often illegal too, depending on where you live...In my neighborhood, any neighborly complaint because of dog barking is ticketable. I've called the police on one particularly irresponsible neighbor a number of times. And if anybody thinks I'm a jerk for calling the police, I've never called because of barking during the daytime. Always well past midnight. Little yippie dogs should not be left outside barking all night long.
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I suppose calling the cops is more civil.
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>> It's "okay" for a dog to piss on the street because no one has figured out a good alternative yet.
Sounds like the Chinese government have made a good start to me. Now they just need to ban all dogs.
Well, if that's the reason, then they might start by banning humans.
It is common practice for young children to pee or poop on the street in China. All the young children have special trousers/pants with a split between the legs that reaches all the way from back to front, such that it is almost like the trousers are actually two pieces joined at the belt. It looks relatively normal while walking, but opens up conveniently when squatting. If the child is too young to squat on their own, the parent can hold
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no one has fig
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Of course not, it could have pee in it!
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Because as humans we can understand basic rules of behaviour while dogs can't?
Seriously, I taught my dogs not to piss on the sidewalk, but when they need to go, you just can't stop it.
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How would your average dog owner respond to me walking a rat around, letting it pee on things?
Just because dogs are cute doesn't mean that they belong in a city.
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Most would just let their dog eat your rat.
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Apparently you haven't been to NYC. The average little yip-yip dog here wouldn't stand a chance against the average subway rat.
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I'd say that is a good plan.
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I was just pointing out how people get all hung up on "piss" and would be horrified to see a man dumping a cup full of urine into the gutter - but they'll let little Fido piss all over the middle of the sidewalk.
It's just a funny aspect of human nature, that's all, since both acts are equivalent.
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If not, I have a new patent in the works for the 3AM crowd.
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That's no dog (Score:3, Funny)
Dogs that small either look like samplers or hair with teeth.
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Dogs that small either look like samplers or hair with teeth.
I consider dog's under 14 inches high to be dinner with bone to chew on afterwards for real dogs.
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Then BAM, no more finger. You'll be looking at the bloody stump on your right hand going WTF? How could that little thing do that much damage that quickly? And the 14" dog will be walking away chewing on your pointer for the win.
Until the people of Beijing learn to actually train dogs, it's probably best this way.
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I've heard that cats won't generally spray or scratch a location that smells like citrus.
Can anyone verify this?
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That said, in most places where dog is eaten it isn't common fare. Chinese families would no more eat the family pet than an American family. Grabbing strays off the street is
How sweet. (Score:3, Insightful)
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This case really isn't a threat to the power of the government.
By letting this go to court they Chinese can say "Look we have the freedom to criticize our government and we have due process."
Why do you think we are hearing about it?
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But, then again, it is the little things that you start with when you are going for social change. You only wind up at the big things when the time has come. By letting a case go to court, especially if it wins, they are encouraging all kinds of other citizens to start taking their issues to court as well. Once the people get a taste of self-respect, they will not want to let go.
InnerWeb
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Not only that, but according to the article, Chen is not actually challenging the Chinese Communist Party. He's alleging that lower-level government officials are not adhering to the official policies of the CCP.
Basically, he's fighting for rule of law [wikipedia.org].
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If you've ever looked at the official policies of many regimes that are totalitarian in practice (such as, say, the Constitution of the USSR), you'll see that challenging government officials to adhere to the official policies of the government /party very often is challenging the ruling party.
"Offi
Not about how much he loves his dog (Score:3, Interesting)
OTOH, given the Chinese taste for dogmeat, I am somewhat surprised they would issue regulations like this, unless the intent is to take the confiscated dogs and process them for meat. Wouldn't it be better for the Chinese to take a page out of Michael Vick's playbook and factory-farm dogs for their meat?
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Unlikely. China's not quite THAT back-asswards. Although it wouldn't surprise me if he lost his dog, since he IS breaking the law, and he fully admits that the only reason he's able to own such a large dog is that the local police are lenient. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the local police suddenly got a phone call telling them to be a lot less lenient.
You have to admire this guy's balls (Score:5, Funny)
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This is not the kind of thing that Chinese gov. will use a prison.
Yeah, it's less expensive just to beat the hell out of him, and you get the same result.
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One dog policy (Score:2)
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Hah!
Memery (Score:5, Funny)
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also, what about a beowulf cluster?
cliches are awesome.
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So how can this become 'a bold challenge' that illustrates that 'some of China's educated elite may be growing impatient with a one-party authoritarian system'? Well, only in the hazy minds of people who are willing to believe anything about their perceived enemies, never mind reality. I can't be bothered pointing out that this kind of things happen all the time everywhere - you already know.
I, like many other people in the world love and respect the American nation and the American people - but, by gods, you sometimes make it bloody hard work.
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The facts of this care are clear: a chinese citizen is suing a chinese governmental body about censureship.
Everything else is rather picune details that are not relevant to the story, even if they are relevant to the legal case.
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Obviously not.
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I'm not really t
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Check the dictionary (Score:2, Troll)
There are living beings that are being excluded, not words.
you're welcome,
- D
Read the Article (Score:2)
Beijing government bans largish dogs.
Dog owner doesn't like it, so he says so, on the internet
Censors remove his blog postings.
So, he sues the censors.
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(sorry to recycle such an old joke!)
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This is the kind of comment that highlight one of the problems with dog owners. The vast majority of dog owners are insane. Not, wow, I can't believe he did that, insane. But, the kind of insane where they cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy. This person actually used the word 'racism' when talking about dogs.
For all the borderline crazy people that are not too far gone. Dogs are not people.
Wonder what the reason for the restriction is? (Score:3, Interesting)
China gets better - I draw conclusions (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's not so much because the rulers are becoming better people, but a result of the enormous economic development and cultural exchange with the outside world. In other words due to trade. Money is power, and as regular Chinese start getting money they start getting power. It's an unstoppable process.
Two thoughts.
1. The Russian path of freeing up political life but not economical life has failed, while the opposite Chinese path seems incredibly productive.
2. The strategy to NOT trade with Cuba is an incredible mistake. With the opposite US policy, Cuba would probably be another Poland today.
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Better to say that the experiment with Cuban embargo (and very non-universal embargo, at that) was not as successful as we'd hoped, over the time period we'd anticipated, and therefore, reevaluation of the embargo would probably be a good idea at this time. Sadl
Read their Constitution (Score:5, Interesting)
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html [peopledaily.com.cn]
(See, for example, article 35:
Article 35. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.)
It's interesting that this document exists but, unlike the US Constitution, seems to hold no importance whatsoever.
Still, I'm glad this guy's standing up for himself.
(Completely Off-topic, but what the hell is that Dice Discussions Flash ad doing to Firefox to make it run so slow? Editors, you gotta pull this ad, this is ridiculous.)
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This may seem like a pedantic distinction but I think the difference can be important. People have rights when the government is also bound by laws.
The basic difference (Score:2)
The US Bill of Rights recognizes pre-existing, inalienable natural rights of the people and states that the government may not infringe on them.
Not that our government has been all that great on resisting the desire to infringe anyway.
Dice Discussions add must go! (Score:5, Informative)
Back on topic, I hope that the Chinese people bring their Constitution up in coversations more. Everybody should use that line in the Constitution as their signatures online. Yes, the censors will have a field day but they can't squash everybody. Then they should all have a day of rememberance for Tienemen Square. They should all print photos of the man stopping the tanks and tape them to their backs while they ride to work on their bicycles or on the rear of their cars.
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Article 1. The People's Republic of China is a socialist state under the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants. The socialist system is the basic system of the People's Republic of China. Sabotage of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited.
Article 28. The state maintains public order and suppresses treasonable and other counter- revolutionary activities; it penalizes
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What rights were those again?
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They do not have the right to those freedoms inherently. They only have the right to enjoy them as they are provided by their government.
Here in the US we have a constitution that supersedes the government's ability to regulate these rights. Very different from anything I've seen elsewhere.
So, when St. Bernards are outlawed, (Score:5, Funny)
Or something like that...
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thats not much...a large family would starve over a holiday when the dog stores are closed.
"Chen in effect sued his own Web site" (Score:2)
There seems to be some residual effect from being in the proximity to former Soviet Russia.
Gorbachev moment? (Score:2)
I like this law (Score:2)
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Typically dog height is measured to the "withers", that is from the ground to the highest point on the front shoulders when standing up straight.
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He'd better hope he's squeaky clean, no Internet posts with anything but praise for the government, no distant relatives in Falun Gong, etc.
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If the central government doesn't have control, and the country hasn't degenerated into anarchy, then who does have control?
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