Capitol Hill Quiet On Tech 110
An anonymous reader writes "This year's Democratic-controlled Congress largely ignored technological issues in favor of social problems, CNet notes in another 2007 retrospective. Issues important to the tech industry (such as net neutrality) received short shrift, while the political body spent a considerable amount of time decrying the evils of the Internet. 'Hot topics this time around included foreign cybersecurity threats to U.S. government systems, terrorist cells flourishing on the Web, inadvertent file sharing through peer-to-peer networks, and sexual predators ensnaring unsuspecting youth through online social sites. And for a third time, the House passed not just one, but two, different bills aimed at deterring spyware.'"
Tech issues don't get votes. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because, that's what your typical voter is concerned about because that's what they understand and what's been hyped in the media. Of course Congress is going to spout off about those things. They want to get elected. The other topics are topics that only the tech folks are really concerned about and there's not enough of them to pander to to get elected. Joe "Tech Ignorant, Keep my job and Family values" Schmoe is were to get the votes.
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It's just too easy for the layman to vote for the guy who he recognizes from the last ballot. Although that probably doesn't matter on partisan tickets (which are unfortunately necessary). Now, if we abolished zoning and had federal representation based on percentages, maybe some states (Texas) wouldn't be stuck with all reps from one party(-exaggeration).
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The individual doesn't matter. The Party stays in power forever. The president already has a term limit. What good has it done you? The person you elect represents the party and the businesses that finance them, not the electorate. Please, try to remind these people that they are public servants.
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Please try to get real. Public Choice Theory [perspicuity.net]
"At the heart of all public choice theories then is the notion that an official at any level, be they in the public or private sector, "acts at least partly in his own self- interest, and some officials are motivated solely by their own self-interest." (Downs, Anthony, Inside Bureaucracy (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1967))"
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"What I'm trying to say about them is to make it in their best interests to serve ours. "
But not on this:
"I believe we are already doing that, and they are acting on it."
Not really. We don't have a good idea how to do that. We don't even have a good idea how to measure that. And if you can't measure something, you can't control it, etc.
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It is only a denotation that signifies between a job normally being done in the private sector but being done for a government entity. The servant part doesn't actually mean to serve the public. it means in employment of the public service. While the public is generally an indirect benefactor of government jobs performed, it isn't a requirement.
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Neat theory, except I don't see how it's based on any facts really. Just _why_ should it be a reflection? Elections alone can't provide this, words are cheap. Checks and balances are not set upon something that is fundamentally friendly to you, they wouldn't need to be there in the first place had this power been friendly. Fact is, they are necessary exactly because power corrupts,
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Yeah, I suppose to the average freak it would be.
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Re:Tech issues don't get votes. (Score:4, Insightful)
Nonsense.
The lobbyist, the bureaucrat, and committee staff become all the more powerful.
Because they are ones who have the experience, knowledge, and resources to frame legislation that cannot wait until your first-term Congressman gets up to speed.
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The simpler solution would be take the power and money out of the Federal government and put it back in the hands of the states. Hell, maybe even reinstate the senators being chosen by state governments again.
Not an elegant solution, but now the lobbyists have to spend 50x the money they would have before in bribes to get what they want. The problem with centralized government we have now is that yes it can get things done better
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Hell, maybe even reinstate the senators being chosen by state governments again.
This is dumber than dumb.
The 19th Century had its Senators for Silver, Senators for Sugar, for Iron and Steel and Coal and Wheat. The cartels would be represented in Congress by senior executives and sometimes by the empire builders themselves.
The state legislatures were wholly owned subsidiaries.
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We already have term limits. They're called elections.
Seriously, I understand your argument. The power of incumbency is often too hard for a challenger to overcome. But we can cure the SOURCE of that malady, not just treat the symptoms.
If we moved to publicly funded elections, and non-partisan redistricting, the incumbent would only retain the slight edge of name recognition. They'd lose the stacked-deck of gerrymandering, and the ability to raise
Idiocracy (Score:3, Interesting)
Because, that's what your typical voter is concerned about because that's what they understand and what's been hyped in the media.
The keyword here is YOUR.
Whose voters are these, anyway?
Well, the summary of the article gives it away:
I don't think most high-IQ leftist intellectuals [e.g. your typical university professors] yet realize quite how profou
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It doesn't matter what I am. (Score:1, Flamebait)
You're racist scum.
Look, you might very well be able to convince yourself to adopt definitions of "racist" and "scum" which are perfectly applicable to me.
But none of your ad hominem will change the underlying tautology of the matter:
By the way, "very soon" will be within then next 15 years or so: Sometime around 2020, just about 50% of all young adults
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The definition of "scum" may be left as an excercise to the reader.
Again: It doesn't matter. (Score:2)
Attempting to support your claim of, "the catastrophic decline of intelligence, and the exponential rise in stupidity," by linking to an article on increasing birthrates among racial and ethnic minorities in the U.S. should meet, I think, any objective definition of the term "racist". The definition of "scum" may be left as an excercise to the reader.
You can call me every name in the book; in fact, here's a book with lots of different names in it:
You're welcome to spend the next 2
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Where you were incorrect: It's a Political Party issue. It's mutually inclusive from Both Parties that the general intelligence of the consumer is less broad/less deep today. However, people who flock to social programs tend to be in a state of non-self-determination. Their hands are more tied and thus form lower income strata. The
This deserves a mod-up (Score:1)
Their "non-self-determination" (Score:2)
However, people who flock to social programs tend to be in a state of non-self-determination. Their hands are more tied and thus form lower income strata.
Their "non-self-determination" stems from the fact that they lack the gray matter necessary to perform almost any work which is much more productive than, say, mowing your yard, or clipping your hedges [and if the discipline of robotics ever advances to the point that robots can perform those jobs, then they're gonna be S.O.L.].
They will never grow up
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The definitions of "Ad Hominem" & "Racist" (Score:2)
I am very familiar with the definition of ad hominem:
As for the definition of the word "racist": There are only a tiny handful of peoples who are capable of producing a man who can win a Fields Medal or a Nobel Prize in Physics: Largely they are Caucasians [to include the Ashkenazim & the Lebanese Christians], Pacific Rim Asians, and [only] the very highest castes from the Indian Subcontinent; conversely, the finals of the 100 meter dash at the Olympics wil
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Re:connection of declining intelligence to liberal (Score:2, Insightful)
This is favorite gut reflex of left-liberals (there's nothing classically liberal about contemporary "liberals", they are sort of libertines in favor of government regulating hedonism, everyone gets their share of tax-funded orgasmic experiences).
"They never try to mingle church and state."
Ever met conservatives that _really, actually try or argue_ to do that? You just wrote vague innuendo. An
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oh look, someone blindly and without any basis whatsoever declared this a "gut reflex"?
I'm degreed in the field, it has nothing to do with "gut refle
You've got the causation backwards. (Score:2)
Your connection of declining intelligence to liberals is nothing more than a fanciful leap of logic.
I* am not saying that "Liberals" cause stupidity.
I am saying, however, that their disinterest in "technological" issues [vis-a-vis their obsession with "social" issues], as evidenced by their performance in our current Congress, does reflect the underlying stupidity of their constituencies.
[Parenthetically: Were you aware that Obama wants to defund NASA's next generation of launch vehicles [spacepolitics.com] so as to be
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As for the Ipod, well it would depend on if or what the person using it wanted from it in return. Jewelry is a good comparison, $100 in gold and diamonds will get you a $5,000 piece if the quality of the finished
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Smart people don't necessarily make informed decisions. We can't change biology on a national or even local level, now or in the future... it's unethical and logistically expensive. You also can't tell smart people to have more children when they know that they will be dividing their standa
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I don't blame em (Score:2)
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The Senate only passed 27 bills this year. [senate.gov] The house passed many more bills but business is different and a passage of a bill might mean cloture or the changing of a rule.
All in all, pretty dismal.
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You would have a better chance at getting a third party candidate 5% of the vote so they would be included on matching funds and allowed in some of the debates without having to
It's best that they ignore the tech issues (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:A little clarification (Score:3, Insightful)
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From there, it only gets worse.
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I'm skeptical about that. I would think that it results in only the creation of bad, authoritarian laws - and prevents the creation of good ones. Having a gridlocked government isn't a good thing. It just means that the government isn't working, and instead is a massive waste.
What's actually good is transparency and accountability, not gridlock.
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Yeah, that goes without saying. But very few people are demanding transparency and accountability. In the face of that, gridlock is the next best thing. It's the snooze button that gives us time to wake up, and possibly realize that we are putting criminals into high office and we should vote them out.
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I disagree. It's the gridlock that gives the illusion of safety, and allows perpetuation bad policy - without the gridlock, people would actually see how depraved many of the policies are, and vote them out of office, or start a revolution quicker. It makes it easier to sweep stuff under the rug.
And like I said, it doesn't stop bad laws being passed. The worst laws tend to be the ones that both parties agree on - "terrorism", "drugs", think of the children" etc. The good potential laws are the ones that do
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Excuse me, but _policy perpetuation_ is exactly the point and purpose of govt. It's called stability, or "not exchanging bad for worse".
Whether policy is good or bad depends on whom you ask. Almost never you get agreement on that. Everyone goes after their gut reflexes, not after "good laws". Trying to make good laws is pointless. What one should be trying is making the laws that don't harm.
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Excuse me, but _policy perpetuation_ is exactly the point and purpose of govt.
No, it's not. The point of government is to represent the interests of citizens, and to provide services/streangths/infrastructure that is not possible for individuals to provide. Where did you get this idea of government from?
Trying to make good laws is pointless. What one should be trying is making the laws that don't harm.
Well, those would be good laws, so I don't see how it is pointless trying to make them. We should also aim for a government that does more than just not do harm. If that's your goal for government, then we may as well not have one. Government should be much more than that. Please
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Maybe he's differentiating theory from practice. When you give authority to someone or some group, it is very natural for them to want more... For our "benefit", of course. So what he says becomes true. Our problem is that we fall for it. Mainly because we try to skim off some of that
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I elaborated on this but what the hell happened to my comment? Did I forget to push submit or whatever?
Oh, anyway, to summarize quickly - since government is merely superposition of political interests (mostly incumbents), it's inherently reactionary in the sense it exists just to conserve those interests. The business of govt is power & coercion, e.g. war, not happiness of citizens.
To believe
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Is there no solution then? Should we not even try? Are we to continue believing the the government is all powerful, and that turning it around is quite impossible? I still stand by my initial assertion the problem is ours. And a redirection of our animal instincts will be the only way to fix it. All the fancy philosophy being thrown around is v
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So, basically, you're a whacked out nihilist who believes that government can never do anything good, and there's no point in ever trying to do anything good as collective citizens. Therefore, we should just be completely selfish and not give a shit about anybody else, or striving to improve the future for humanity. And even when you try to "do good" it does harm.
Good luck with that. I prefer not to be insane.
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Given the interest of slaveowners - factual and prospective, don't forget them - and given that the govt represented them as well, it definitely should have continued support for slavery. Which it did, until it was forced by no
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When you look the meddling in Central and South American affairs, it would appear that's exactly what we have. A conquest perpetrated by the bankers, north and south...well, mostly east.
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Oh bullcrap. This is result of Monroe Doctrine, not bankers.
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There's no such thing as a good law.
Laws are supposedly about survival, about keeping something bad from developing, say, tyranny, war, military coup'd etat, white collar crime, stealing tax money, etc. Laws are reactive, not proactive, and they are about keeping safe locked, not building something new. If laws were productive, Soviet Union which had a lot of la
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Oh, damn. If I had only noticed that, I wouldn't have wasted my time...Once again I find my self up against those who cling to the notion of "every man for himself" and to hell with the consequences suffered by those standing "in the way". I should have known when you called upon your god you call "Reagan". You have only shown who the real enemy of freedom and justice for all really is. It sure ain't the government. Like I said they, represent your viewpoint quite well...until they star
fuck it (Score:1, Funny)
It might take a flame thrower to light these people's candles.
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All joking aside (and that WAS a joke - NOT a troll) anarchy is a terrible idea.
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I'm perfectly willing to admit that something needs to change, but anarchy is, always has been, and always will be a terrible idea.
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If you have a way, I'd like to know.
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Almost everything was ignored (Score:2, Insightful)
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It's just one of Parkinson's Laws (Score:3, Insightful)
not to mention funding for (computer) science... (Score:2, Informative)
Funding for (computer) science research also got the shaft this year, in the budget for FY 2008, despite a prior commitment to double the budget over the next 10 years.
USACM has a nice perspective: http://usacm.acm.org/usacm/weblog/index.php?p=558 [acm.org] and so does the Computing Research Association: http://www.cra.org/govaffairs/blog/archives/000646.html [cra.org]
Unfortunately, pork $$$ in the near-term wins over long-term benefits for the entire country...
happy holidays,
alex
And why would you fund something you discourage? (Score:1)
With the complete subjugation of the tech sector to hollywood under laws of this ilk, why would they encourage the advancement of such evil piracy as the study of the security of encryption standards commonly used by our major corporations, or the viability of drm.
It's clear cs majors are not wanted. After all, the RIAA in one lawsuit tried to demand one cs major abandon that academic track for something more tame like gun repair or refrigeration.
Surpise? (Score:3, Funny)
"tech issues" vs. "social issues" (Score:3, Insightful)
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Maybe it's just me? But everyone of those issues listed is Tech related. I didn't RTFA but when the summary itself say's:
cybersecurity threats to U.S. government systems, terrorist cells flourishing on the Web, inadvertent file sharing through peer-to-peer networks, and sexual predators ensnaring unsuspecting youth through online social sites. And for a third time, the House passed not just one, but two, different bills aimed at deterring spyware.
Basically how is that not tech related?
And I agree, I
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Technology is just a tool used by society at large.
too bad, nerds (Score:1, Informative)
Most of the Congresscritters that cared about the Internet are gone this year.
There is only one who cared about the internet... (Score:1)
"democrat-controlled congress" (Score:1, Informative)
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That's a good thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Govt can't fix and provide simple systems, say, levees, roads, can't get itself to undertake rather simple means necessary to fix the school system. How could it fix a lot more intricate, complicated and advanced realm like technology then?
And beware of the negative side effects, like with "net neutrality" that is a bad idea whose time has come and, fortunately for us all, gone.
Suppose govt signs obsolete & proprietary tech into law (need I point at some document standards?). That would stifle innovation instead of invigorating it.
No, tech is better off without govt meddling. It's only basic research that it can't screw up because physics laws fortunately can't be screwed up by govt incompetence, at worst it can waste money or underfund important science like ITER.
Its called "one issue voters" (Score:3)
"block filth on the internet", "keep kids safe from scumbags online", "keep terrorists and bad foriegn governments from using the internet to attack America", "help me stop my kid downloading illegal stuff from the internet"
These are all "hot button issues" for voters.
On the other hand, issues like "stop hackers from stealing my credit card numbers/bank details", "stop AT&T from messing with my google search results", "stop Microsoft from trying to kill free software" are issues that geeks and tech people care about but the general public doesn't give a stuff for the most part.
What we need is a way to make the general public care (particularly about phishing and identity theft)
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in order of appearance, the jurisdiction for the solutions to these problems is: parents; parents/police; exi
Think of the children hysteria (Score:1, Insightful)
I know it gets the politicians a lot of votes, but it seems like Congress' time would be better spent passing anti-lightning-bolt legislation.
It is a social problem... (Score:1)
The issues facing technology, especially internet technology, absolutely qualifies as a social problem. Its the most prevalent way people connect and transact with one another. They need to understand their priorities before assigning them.
H-1b expansion divides the tech community (Score:2)
RE: Capitol Hill Quiet on Tech (Score:1)
Let's have a quick show of hands .... (Score:1)
Minicity (Score:1)
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What is that myminicity crap?
In any case, you're the troll who pushed me over the edge to block the entire domain.
Nice try. (Score:1, Offtopic)
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Abercrombie & Fitch? Georgio Armani? Levi's? Nike?
who is responsible for malware (Score:1)
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the general idea is to get people thinking that malware really can be controlled and that not controlling it is rather negligent on our part
the key to getting malware under control is in making people responsible for what they write which is why signatures are needed for all executables. signatures will greatly facilitate enforcement of the new computer protection laws that are coming