Should Apple Give Back Replaced Disks? 446
theodp writes "As if having to pay $160 to replace a failed 80-GB drive wasn't bad enough, Dave Winer learned to his dismay that Apple had no intention of giving him back the disk he paid them to replace. Since it contained sensitive data like source code and account info, Dave rightly worries about what happens if the drive falls into the wrong hands. Which raises an important question: In an age of identity theft and other confidentiality concerns, is it time for Apple — and other computer manufacturers — to start following the practice of auto mechanics and give you the option of getting back disks that are replaced?"
Agreement (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dell Already dose this. (Score:3, Interesting)
It's more likely that Dell is taking the drive so that they can get some money back from the manufacturer when the drive is under warranty. They are, after all, a business and if it wasn't their fault the drive failed early, they shouldn't have to suck up the cost.
some genius's at the bar.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Option on returned parts? (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure he should get it back, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
Encryption goes a long way in remedying this particular dilemma. If you're worried enough about it to freak when they don't send the drive back, you should be worried about loss or theft. Use TrueCrypt or your favorite encryption software for those files.
You don't get warranty parts back (Score:5, Interesting)
for consumer electronics. I worked at a warranty center for 35 brands and to keep fraud to a dull roar the wanted the parts back. We'd fill out all the paperwork, stick it and the parts in a bin and wait for the field rep to audit them. Then they'd take them back or tell us to dispose of them.
I assume it's similar in other industries. It's way too easy to claim you replaced a set of brake pads or that microprocessor and not do it but get the money for the part.
Since the party paying is the manufacturer then they get the old parts back.
You don't know who has your data. (Score:2, Interesting)
I called HP about it, they apologized profusely and sent yet another replacement drive (this one in factory packaging). Still, I was scared sending my mum's drive in with everything still on it, so I took an industrial magnet to it before I returned it. Not a month later, I had a Seagate external drive fail under warranty. Needless to say, I was nervous then. Nervous now.
Was Dave fucking born yesterday? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Always Read Before You Sign Anything (Score:2, Interesting)
If you don't want to do it then take the consequences, and shut up. I like when people tell me you can't possibly read everything. Here's a story:
When I was buying my house I was scheduled to meet with the lawyer for the closing at 3:00pm. They made me wait till 5:30pm which I was okay with because it seemed they were busy. When it came time I looked, and read, every single piece of paperwork, and found that my monthly payment had an extra $300 tacked to it. I looked at the paralegal, who just wanted to be done and go home, and told her to call the bank because I didn't agree to that in my original paperwork that I was given. She was not happy because it appears it was her mistake. It took an hour for her to correct but if I hadn't read it the consequences would have meant that I had a mortgage I couldn't afford. BTW: she wanted to be done by 6:00pm that night. It was 8:00pm when we were done. She blamed me but it was her fault for scheduling so much to do, at then not doing it.
Read everything that you sign because you will agree to things that you didn't realize if you don't.
Re:Always Read Before You Sign Anything (Score:4, Interesting)
Shocking that consumers who typically don't see the contract until the very end of the purchasing process, and typically receive a copy of their 10-page contract, written in highly technical legal language on a tiny, folded piece of paper in a 3 point font don't know what they're getting into.
And if they read and can understand the contract, they find that the terms are non-negotiable, require that you agree to waive right to sue in court, and allow the vendor to arbitrarily change the contract.
So I hope your customers/victims screw you out of every dime possible.
Re:Broken iPod Exit Plan (Score:2, Interesting)
My iPod still didn't work, so I figured I could take the iPod to the Apple Store (I have an hour drive to get to one, mind you). To make sure I wasn't driving up there for no reason, I explained my problem to an Apple rep on the phone. They told me to bring it down, and they'd take care of it. After waiting for a half hour or so, the tech guy called my name. I walked to the counter optimistically, and handed him the iPod. He told me my drive was bad, as expected, and I pulled out the other drive to ask him about it. He looked at it disapproval. I asked if he could at least test it for me or something. He asked me if I had taken the iPod apart ever, and I had to answer with an honest "Yes, I did." He looked at me as if I had just handed him the plague. He set the iPod on the counter immediately, and basically told me it might make a good paper weight. I argued to no avail, and ended up selling my dead iPod on ebay in case anybody needed parts. *sigh* a mere $50 for a $300 electronic device... have to love the tech industry.
How I handled my MacBook drive replacement (Score:5, Interesting)
I sat down for my appointment at the Genius Bar. I asked him if I would get to keep the drive, since I was worried about my data. He said no, since they have to return the dead drive to the manufacturer. Fine, I agreed with that, so I asked if he could certify that the drive was indeed "dead" and worthy of replacement, so I could take it home and sandpaper the platters. He said that was fine; I didn't take his word for it, and made sure the manager was okay with it, in case his shift ended and there was no record that my drive was officially declared under warranty repair.
So I went home, and completely took out the platters, and put back together the case of the drive (sans platters) and took it back to the Apple store.
They put a new drive in my MacBook without fuss, and took the old drive's metal shell to give back to the manufacturer. I don't know if this scenario is officially endorsed by the corporate office, but it worked at the Cambridge, MA Apple store.