Samsung Caught Bribing Government Officials 136
Dekortage writes "Allegedly, electronics giant Samsung Electronics attempted to bribe a South Korean government official with 5 million won (US$5,445). Ironically, the official was Lee Yong-chul, who was a presidential monitor against corruption at the time. This is the latest allegation against Samsung, which was recently accused of running 'a vast network of bribery through the government, the judiciary branch and the news media' that reaches all the way to South Korean President Roh Moo Hyun."
I want my share (Score:5, Funny)
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In the US bribing the government is not illegal and we havea different term for it: lobbying
Has Samsung learned nothing from the U.S.?!?! (Score:5, Insightful)
Geez, handing a politician an actual suitcase full of cash went out with Huey Long. The smart companies figured out long ago that there were much better, technically legal, ways to bribe their politicians.
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Re:Has Samsung learned nothing from the U.S.?!?! (Score:4, Insightful)
In South Korea and Japan giving gifts to business acquaintances is very common. Here in the Netherlands and some other countries such things are commonly forbidden in employee contracts as they're considered bribes.
That's the problem of viewing events only from your local cultural perspective.
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I'm pretty sure bribing government officials with large bundles of cash is legally frowned on in most industrialized countries.
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Yeah, were is Kok now eh, with Shell I believe? (Score:2)
We don't give gifts in holland, just seats on the board of directors. Check out what all the politicians are doing after they retire and then look back at some of the decisions they made just before retiring.
Ever wondered why that building corruption scandal was so poorly dealt with? Just wait for the people involved to reach retirement age. You will get your answer.
Re:Has Samsung learned nothing from the U.S.?!?! (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe even jobs where they directly lobby the government in your company's interests.
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Yeah, I mean, you'd think they'd know that in Korea, cash bribes are for old people.
Get the facts (Score:1)
There is another organization called "Focus on the Family Action" which is a political action group. Contributions to that organization are *not* tax deductible, and they can be used for overt political purposes. If you hea
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I call BS (Score:2)
Please list explicit examples of Dobson and his team doing unethical things. I challenge you on this point, because I don't believe you can do it.
There is no question that Focus on the Family has an agenda. Their agenda is social rather than political, and they have gone to great lengths and great expense to separate political activities from social activities.
Love him or hate him, James Dobson is a man who lives and dies by his integrity to his beliefs
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Youer so cool and cynical. You must get all the girls/boys.
At least Lobbying is transparent. We can see who is giving to whom. Bribery is completely invisible. They two are alike but far, far from the same. One is a legitimate process and the other isnt. Thats how the world works. Moneid interests influence politics. Better out in the open than behind closed doors.
not if your last name is Jefferson! (Score:1)
regards,
Rep. William "J. for 'Just keep it crispy'" Jefferson
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That's the problem of viewing events only from your local law's perspective.
South Korea (Score:5, Insightful)
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I know, being from Spain, land of the fee and home of the bribe.
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Who do I have to fuck to get off this ship??!! (Score:2)
Bingo! Absolutely correct.
This is why the amount was so small, and why a relative functionary was the bribee. Simply a token bust to keep the press off their digital asses.
I worked for Samsung Electronics in Suwon from 1999 to 2003. There was a big bribery dust up in 2001 that led to yet another internal campaign designed to educate employees, etc. As a high-profile foreigner, w
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Hardware certification testing for example, and most certainly all the recently recalled toys, are all effected by this, companies doing 'testing' in China, even if their management aren't aware of it, are often not actually testing products at all, a bribe is paid to an test engineer, the paperwork is done.
There are Chinese staff (in China) that are having to be told by international investors, to stop taking bribes (effectively halving their wage) ot
What they didn't mention (Score:5, Funny)
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Bribing the monitor against corruption (Score:1)
I think the whole problem started with the $5,445 mistake. Everyone has a price, if you can't or simply don't want to afford it, don't try with a smaller amount.
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"Bribe? What bribe? That was a holiday gift."
If they dropped $250k in his lap, that's a bribe. Hard to talk your way out of that one.
Re:Bribing the monitor against corruption (Score:4, Interesting)
In conclusion, I think Samsung should give me 250k so I can prove my point.
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A vast network of bribery in South Korea... (Score:5, Insightful)
Bribery? In Southeast Asia? (Score:4, Funny)
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=363431&cid=21385189 [slashdot.org]
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/16/2146233 [slashdot.org]
I'd hate to be guessing correctly about this.
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stupid stupid stupid (Score:2)
but come on... a ~$5000 bribe? if you want to bribe me, you'd better cough up more than that
but seriously, What would samsung write that off as when the auditor came to visit? (or more likely would they just bribe the auditor as well)
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Hell, that's petty cash for a few lunches with some bigwigs. And whoops, the guy in charge forgot to get receipts.
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In Korea, "stupid" is not offering a bribe.
$5000 is about right. It's easy to spend, it's not too big to make the recipient nervous about how much is expected, and it's not too small to insult them. Unless they're on an anti-bribery crusade, of course, which I assume is just a political ploy to get into higher office and therefore receive real bribes.
It's all filed under 'hospitality', and accepted as such. You shouldn't assume that auditors follow the same standards globally.
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Consistency is Not Irony (Score:4, Insightful)
That's not "irony". That's evidence that Samsung was also bribing or otherwise corrupting the government that Lee was paid not to monitor.
Even Alanis Morissette [lyrics007.com] knows that bribing a cop to freely rob a house isn't "ironic".
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Are you kidding? This is the very essence of irony. The anti-bribery guy was (allegedly) bribed. It's very much like the firemen accidentally burning down the firehouse.
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Which doesn't matter anyway. If you RTFA, you'll see that the antibribery official refused the bribe. Consistency is Not Irony. Expecting an antibribery official to report a bribe is not irony.
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No, that's pretty much the definition of irony, though the writer messed up when ordering their sentence. It should have read:
See the difference there? There's not
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And if you'd bother to RTFA, you'd see that the presidential monitor against corruption was not corrupt at all--he's one of the people saying that Samsung tried to bribe him, but that he refused it. Which means that there is no irony at all, since the guy who's against corruption proves himself not to be corrupt.
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Government official accepts offer of gift, but returns it when he sees it is cash, not items (Cash raises a red flag -- maybe he thought he was being targeted by an investigation). Does not file complaint, does not report to his superiors, does nothing until someone else goes public and it appears he may be caught up in the investigation.
This is not the case of a whistle-blower doing a public service; this is the case of a guilty party (who freely admits accepting the
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Really? Sounds like he refused the bribe whilst documenting the bribary attempt.
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The article paints a pretty clear picture that this guy is not straightlaced. There's a reason he admits to accepting the offer of a gift, and downplays it. He knew how the game was played, and played it well -- and now he's co
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Talk about a cheap date (Score:3, Insightful)
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Yes $5500 was small but bribes are typically once per transaction. You say "Thankyou for signing this paper. Here is a small gift." and likely he approves several deals a month and gets $5K each time. A bribe racket is an ongoing business deal not a one time deal. So $5K is reasonable.
In short a week's pay is not much but a week's pay four o
911 (Score:2, Funny)
Franco still dead (Score:1)
say it ain't so!!
Don't worry... (Score:2, Funny)
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Corruption everywhere (Score:5, Insightful)
You see, those countries' peoples will have a chance to fight because they know what it is. Depends on how bad they're willing to shed blood. THat's why their "leaders" rule with an iron hand. They're AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE. US, on the other hand - we don't even have the will to fight. We're too comfortable. Corruption THRIVES on this. Corruption doesn't have to rule with an iron hand. They know the sheep are fat and lazy.
We've all taken the red pill.
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Let me see if I get this straight:
In capitalist America, the piggy sheep welcome their medicating velvet-gloved overlords (profit)?
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In capitalist America, the piggy sheep welcome their medicating velvet-gloved overlords (profit)?
There's no welcome. The piggy sheep is so numb they can't tell the difference between a glove and a pine cone. I've nothing against our capitalist system. I am just trying to point out that our culture is such that corruption is a technicality away from legality.
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When I was young and idealistic, I wanted to help the sheep rise up.
When I became older and more ambitious, I wanted to be the shepherd.
When I got even older and jaded, I realized that if I worked for the farm, I'd only ever get to be the sheepdog.
Now that I'm a relatively old cynic, I'm content to be a coyote -- too sharp to be herded, but not above using the farmer to get what I need.
Oblig. Magnificient Seven Quote (Score:1)
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You see, those countries' peoples will have a chance to fight because they know what it is. Depends on how bad they're willing to shed blood. THat's why their "leaders" rule with an iron hand. They're AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE.
You do realize that when those countries DO get up and fight, if successful they'll - at best - end up with a system similar to ours. You're never easily going to get rid of corruption, as it's in the nature of some people.
So yes, we have corruption too. Lots of it. But as opposed to certain countries, you CAN actually do some business here without a bribe.
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another slashdot "editing" moment (Score:4, Informative)
Mod Parent Up (Score:1)
Re:another slashdot "editing" moment (Score:4, Informative)
No. Another official blew the whistle on the widespread bribery, and Lee has come forward in order to cover his own ass. After almost three years, Lee did nothing -- didn't come forward, didn't report the attempted bribe to his superiors, didn't do anything except accept a job in the industry (outside of government) -- until the shit had already started to hit the fan.
Would it surprise anyone if the private firm Lee Yong-chul now works for has competitors of Samsung on its client list?
Furthermore, would it surprise anyone if Lee Yong-chul garnered evidence of the bribe attempt for a reason different than whistle-blowing? Extortion/blackmail, perhaps? When the scandal becaome public (through the statements of Kim Yong-chul), Lee Yong-chul's documentation of the briber attempt became relatively worthless. What better way to try to save his own arse than by going public?
Note also that Lee's role in investigating government corruption was prompted by the revelation that President Roh (his boss) was involved in a bribery/corrpution/slush fund scandal during the 2002 election campaign. Lee reeks of corruption as badly as the rest, but was smart enough to engineer a way to come out looking somewhat clean.
5M Won (Score:2)
Sure sounds a lot more impressive as 5 MILLION won.
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Apparently in an attempt to make it harder to bribe people, the highest denomination banknote here is 10,000 won, which is about ten dollars (a 50,000 won note is in the works). I bought a mac with cash, and it was like trying to buy a loaf of bread in Germany in 1929. I almost needed a wheelbarrow to transport the full amount.
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Dude, I went to the store yesterday and they were selling a bottle of pop for a full ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY CENTS! Talk about extreme!
Sales poor? (Score:3, Funny)
My Price (Score:1)
You better offer enough to pay for my Great,Great,Great,Great,Great,Great,Great,Great Grand kids college fund and for housing for all of them also.
I figure $500 Billion US dollars worth of gold and ammo should be a good starting point...
Cheap! (Score:2)
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Apart from the joke, corporations bribing is not anything new.
They have been doing that from 1800s East India Company, Amaranth, Credit Lyonnais, Enron, Parmalat... the list goes on...
This is disgusting.... (Score:1)
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A government official with expensive new toys might get noticed.
One day its a scholarship ect...
ironic? (Score:2)
Doesn't seem "ironic" to me, it seems rational. I mean, who better to bribe than him?
This is not news (Score:3, Interesting)
samsung means to come (Score:2)
http://yhchang.com/SAMSUNG_ENGLISH.html [yhchang.com]
http://yhchang.com/SAMSUNG_MEANS_TO_COME.html [yhchang.com]
http://yhchang.com/ [yhchang.com]
Baksheesh (Score:2)
Government Officials? (Score:1)
Major corporation guilty of corrupt behavior? (Score:2)
small bribe (Score:2)
That's an insignificant amount of money for a politician, isn't it? I'm not surprised Samsung was caught with that.
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Oh crap, you're right..... (Score:2)
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No, that's Emily Litella. Roseanne Rosannadanna's catchphrase was "...it's always something."
Incidentally, what did you want Sandisk tech support to do, code up a Linux updater? Telling you to either live with your old firmware or get refund seems perfectly reasonable.
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Rockbox (Score:2)
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I expected a better punchline from a comedian.
Seriously, I think it's refreshing that they basically came out and said "Our unit can not suit your needs, you should look elsewhere" instead of giving you the common businessman runaround.
The guys at tech support doubtlessly have no control over what platforms are supported in conjunction with w
Ahh, sterotyping... (Score:2)
"I expected a better punchline from a comedian"
Comedians, do actually have the ability to speak seriously on a subject. I'm not busting on you, it's just an observation. This one particular vocation seems to draw that kind of attitude. People seem to think that we are "on" all the time. Honestly, thank goodness I'm not, that would just be annoying wouldn't it? When I'm not on stage, I'm actually a pretty quiet, to myself person. A l
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Observe also that my next sentence started off with "Seriously"... (ie. It was a joke, don't get too uptight about it)
Re:Perhaps off-topic, but indicitive of the compan (Score:2)