Breakpoints have now been patented

An anonymous reader noted that apparently Breakpoints have now been patented. From the link "A method for debugging including the steps of receiving code having a software breakpoint function therein, running the code for the purpose of debugging, monitoring the code to detect the presence of the software breakpoint function, recognizing the software breakpoint function, determining an action to be performed based on the software breakpoint function, and implementing the action. The present invention also includes an apparatus for implementing the method for debugging and a medium embodying a program of instructions for execution by a device to perform the method for debugging."

Could someone please patent code comments?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd love to have this as an excuse for not doing them. Thanks.

Step 2?

[fishdan]

Step 1: Patent commenting
Step 2: ???????????
Step 3: Profit!!!!

The problem is there will be no profit because no one comments. On the other hand, at least there is no prior art to rule against your patent.

Re:Step 2?

[sunwukong]

If you really want to make money, patent not commenting code.

Re:

[MindKata]

"patent this, patent that etc.."

Ok, I've just patented The Big Bang ... now you all have to pay up or I can exclude you from my reality.

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[LordSnooty]

In that spirit, I hereby copyright the phrase "THIS IS A KLUDGE"

Going home now...

[Tmack]

Well, Im packing up and going home. I wouldnt want my employer getting in trouble over patent infringement because of me. Guess Ill just have to sit at home and wait until they work out a licensing agreement or something so I can get back to work fixing code....

tm

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[SL Baur]

No that's not what they've patented. They've patented source level debugging with static break points. Apparently the developer litters the source code with SOFTWARE_BREAKPOINT; calls which turn into do-nothing statements if there is no debugger running the code. The target environment appears to be an embedded system like a cellphone.

They have not patented hardware breakpoints, gdb, etc. and a huge advantage of their system is that you could apparently debug and selectively enable/disable breakpoints in a production ROM executable image.

I know noone reads these patents when these kinds of articles go by, this is /., but is it too much to ask that the article submitter or the editor read them first?

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[keird]

Visual Basic has had this for years. It's called Stop. When running in the IDE execution breaks at the Stop command just as if you had a breakpoint defined. The command does nothing when running outside of the IDE.

Why reading patents is bad for you

[nitecoder]

IANAL, but from what I understand there is a reason people don't read patents, at least in the US. If you violate a patent knowingly, you are liable for triple damages, whereas is you violate it unknowingly, only single damages.

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[SL Baur]

No, they're not preprocessor statements. They are calls to actual nop functions (the patent calls them "void" functions which is highly misleading). Some example code:

static void sw_break1(void)
{
}
static void sw_break2(void)
{
}
extern void do_something_with_side_effects(void);
extern int some_function(int, int, int);
void some_buggy_function(int a, b, c)
{
  int d;
 
  do_something_with_side_effects();
  sw_break1();
  d = some_function(a, b, c);
  sw_break2();
}

Now, if you declare the functions sw_break1 and sw_break2 as software breakpoint functions to the debugger and not the function do_something_with_side_effects, the debugger will recognize that the nop calls to sw_break? should do something special and trap them. Since they are nop functions, obviously if the program is not being run under a debugger, nothing special happens and the program doesn't crash.

The way the description is worded, the debugger is expected to be doing the equivalent of single stepping through the program at a source code level looking for calls to special nop functions. When it detects some such, it can perform some (debugger) user defined operation. Because these are specifically software breakpoints, they are built into the program at compile time and are always present whether or not the program is being debugged.

The patent goes on to claim various methods of describing which void functions should be considered special by the debugger, including a broad all parameterless void functions are special. Any required special debug code is linked from a library and hence, this method of debugging allows one to enable and disable breakpoints dynamically in an read-only image executing directly off a ROM.

I'm a programmer not a lawyer and I've never done embedded programming so I haven't much of a clue whether or not there's prior art, but I am certain that gdb or any debugger that modifies the executable image in any way are not within the claims of this patent.

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[Almost-Retired]

if that's the case....I think I can find old code that I wrote back in the mid-90's that I did that...

How in 104ee+99 kinds of hell can this patent stand? I was doing that in the late 70's, on an 1802 board called the Cosmac Super Elf, and 6 months later on a pair of z80 boards called the micro-professor. And in both cases I was doing it without an assembler! I was poor, so I looked the hex code up in the manual and entered it with the same hex editor I was using for the debugging, by inserting a breakpoint that took it back to the monitor and captured the machine state for a leasurely inspection. How the hell else did one debug machine code in those days?

Hell and damnation, I'll bet Grace Hopper even used this technique. And I'd bet that same 6-pack she learned it from somebody that had been doing it for 5 years then...

I can't fscking believe this, its only one step more complex than the (in)famous xor patent for moving the curser.

Will someone Please deliver us from the insanity that is our patent system?

--
No Cheers this time, Gene

Re:Could someone please patent code comments?

[SL Baur]

So a macro of something like #define SOFTWARE_BREAK asm { int 3; } which I have been using for years is now patented? That's laughable.

No, that's not what they patented. The patent covers portable software breakpoints which are detected by mapping a special (void) function called to an action. The patent also covers a variety of methods of describing which void function calls should be trapped by the debugger and a variety of methods by which the name of the special void function call can be mapped into an action to perform.

No assembly is involved, the method is processor agnostic. No open inline code is involved either as the breakpoints must be detectable by software looking for function calls.

Re:

[Nefarious Wheel]

What the Vax $Fortran/nodebug function did was to compile the code excluding any source code lines that had a "D" in the first column (or was it the 6th? I wrote about a half-million lines of the stuff long, long ago, and I claim Eld as a defense). The code line was a special procedural noop (a line of normal Fortran code) that became active upon compilation with the $Fortran/debug option. The code -- a breakpoint or print statement, generally -- was embedded in the code thus compiled. This was differen

Next up...

[CdrGlork]

Next to be patented will be the GOTO statement, so ALL YOU LAZY PROGGERS WILL STOP USING IT!

Re:

[MikeBabcock]

Goto is very heavily used ... well, the JuMP call in assembly at least ;-) It works exactly like goto, and occurs plenty in modern software ... just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there :-)

Re:

[Cylix]

Yes,

I'm about to patent a new twist on the jump concept.

It will perform a compare and can jump based on success or failure of the previous compare operation!

Egads man, I'll be rich once programmers catch on to my new and improved version of jump!

Re:Next up...

[jimstapleton]

ok, if you do that, can I patent a system whereby human-readable text is converted into machine instructions?

Re:Next up...

[gyranthir]

Cobol already exists!!!

Re:Next up...

[Feyr]

he did say human readable

Re:Next up...

[Jarjarthejedi]

Patent Application 297641286876b

A method by which a specific unbound sequence of comparisons are performed with the program being instructed to perform differing operation based on the results. Should none of the comparisons result in the machine determining that the variable being compared fits the condition a "default" condition shall be allowed. Using this system a large number of such Improved Jumps can be performed with less code and processing power.

((For those without programming knowledge, or sense of humor, the parent wants to post If-Then statements, this is a Switch statement. That is all))

Actually, it's better than that.

[cduffy]

The parent's proposal covers not just if/then, but all conditional jump instructions -- which are used by your compiler to implement if/then, switch, and other conditional flow control.

hardware debugger

[Anonymous Coward]

its a hardware debugger or so it appears, not a software one, they specifically address pitfalls with software debuggers and why they did this method.

while hardware ones arent totally new, they arent that common either. gdb is immune from this for example since its software only.

the abstract isnt the patent, the title isnt the patent, the claims are the patent. Readers are encouraged to read the claims and not spread FUD because they can.

Re:hardware debugger

[richie2000]

I had a hardware breakpoint debugger in The Final Cartridge II on the Commodore 64. That was, what - 20-25 years ago? This patent was issued last year.

That said, the first 13 claims pertain to software only (curio: the word "software" appears no less than 17 times in the first claim, "hardware" scores a big fat zero). Subsequent claims seem to revolve around a device reading a medium where the debug code is stored, ie RAM, some kind of ROM or even a CD with reader would fit this description.
It's so vaguely stated as to be totally useless. Useless, that is, if someone were to actually use this patent to implement something useful. You know, like the patent system was supposed to do. Very useful if it's to be used to threaten competitors and stifle innovation.

"To promote the progress of science and useful arts", my ass.

Re:

[thomasa]

I worked on a hardware debugger back in the early 80s working
on 8080 based software. Intel hardware debugger. You could
set break points in hardware. It would continually check the
address bus when it saw the address of the breakpoint, it would
interrupt the execution. It had 8 inch floppy disks too.

Re:Next up...

[Vihai]

I DO use gotos heavily.

If you know where and how to use them, they actually are a sensible choice.

They are very good in implementing the function rollback code, that is code which has to undo everything the function has done in case of an error.

For example:

int allocstuff(void)
{
        char *a = malloc(100);
        if (!a)
                goto err_malloc_a;

        char *b = malloc(100);
        if (!b)
                goto err_malloc_b;

        return 0;

        free(b);
err_malloc_b:
        free(a);
err_malloc_a:

        return -1;
}

I just patented CODE WITHOUT COMMENTS

[giafly]

to prevent horrors like OP. Did you notice how the "free(b)" call was after an unconditional return? Somebody didn't.

Re:

[Vihai]

to prevent horrors like OP. Did you notice how the "free(b)" call was after an unconditional return? Somebody didn't.

Yes, the compiler will happily optimize it away, however, when you are adding another allocation you don't have to remember to add the deallocation code you left out before. You may well comment it if the compiler doesn't like it but only if you licensed the comments patent :)

constructors

[Per Abrahamsen]

I'd really hope you would not be surprised that a function called "alloc"-something would allocate memory on success.

As sample code leaks since nothing points to the allocated memory, presumably because it is not relevant for the technique being illustrated.

The technique would be useful for a constructor function, returning a pointer to an initialized object. A matching destructor function would then free the memory.

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[geoff lane]

It truly is possible to write BASIC programs in any language......

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[exp(pi*sqrt(163))]

You're using a programming language where you have to write the code yourself to keep track of what memory has been allocated and then free whatever half-baked state you find yourself in when an error happens? I didn't know they still had such things. Tell me. Does your computer use valves or relays?

Re:

[Vihai]

I don't think I'm undestanding you, sorry, I'm not a native english speaker.

I, of course, use that approach when I write C code, that's why I wrote that code snippet in C.
And I, of course, write C code in kernel land and when writing critical code in userland

Oh... and yes... memory allocation failures may well happen on modern machines in kernel land... and if you like to write robust code, you have to cope with those

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[QRDeNameland]

As far as I can tell, the free(b); will never get called. If both malloc()s work, it will hit the return 0; and bypass the subsequent code; if either one fails, the goto labels are past the free(b); statement.

Re:Next up...

[Dachannien]

Your code makes me want to throw up.

Mod parent up...

[QRDeNameland]

Bravo! You deserve both Funny and Insightful for that.

Re:

[teslar]

Err, ok, maybe I am just missing something fundamental here, but why do you need the gotos? Why not just something like:

int allocstuff(void) {

int return_val = 0;
char *a = malloc(100);

if (!a) {
return_val = -1;
} else {
char *b = malloc(100);

if (!b) {

Re:

[Anonymous Coward]

Great, now add ten more ifs there and see how readable it becomes vs. the goto solution with ten more labels and gotos

What on earth is wrong with people? Doesn't anyone ever actually sit back and THINK about how to write readable, maintainable procedural code?! First of all, any half-sensible person would put these things into a structure, containing pointers to such allocated memory. Then you just have functions that initialize and destroy that structure.

But, if you're hell-bent on allocating a bunch of

Re:

[Malc]

Ugh: allocating on the heap AND using goto.

int allocstuff()
{
try
{
std::string a, b;
// Not exactly necessary in most situations, but ensure the buffer is 100
// chars like the OPs (whose was 99 actually)
a.reserve(100);
b.reserve(100);
}
// Catch ... is bad, but can't be bothered to look up which exception is thrown. Most
// of the time don't even bother with this try/catch and let

Re:

[Chris Burke]

I really don't see how you figure those 'goto's increased the understandability or maintainability of that code. 'If' statements make the control flow clear simply by the structure. "goto" makes that structure meaningless since the program can leap out of it to some arbitrary point at any time.

Just on general principle I eschew multiple returns from a function. For one, it makes control flow harder to understand (the exact same problem with goto) by creating alternative exits from a function and whatever

Re:

[Anonymous Coward]

If you know where and how to use them, [gotos] actually are a sensible choice.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

10 PRINT "YOU'RE A DICK..."
20 GOTO 10
RUN

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[pclminion]

Wouldn't nested 'if..then's be better in this case?

That requires one level of nesting for every initialized resource. That can become ridiculous very quickly. A rollback or "error ladder" is something you see in a lot of commercial AND open source code. Examples I know of include FreeType and the Linux kernel.

It's only "unclear" in the sense that a for-loop was "unclear" to you when you first learned how to use it. This is a common, generally accepted idiom for the use of goto.

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[Vihai]

Oh... why don't you direct your statement to the people at linux-kernel?

Re:

[Knara]

Yeah, this comment isn't going to start a flamewar. You read like the guy who proclaims that no one uses COBOL or FORTRAN anymore, either, nor should they be.

Re:Next up...

[teslar]

There's no try/catch in C, I'm afraid.... you're thinking C++.

Re:

[kailoran]

try...catch is really great, but if you're using C++ instead of C, which does not have try..catch, you might as well use something with constructors/destructors that will do the allocation automatically

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[hansamurai]

I like how in Java, goto is a reserved keyword, but it does absolutely nothing. Same with const.

Re:

[gstoddart]

Next to be patented will be the GOTO statement, so ALL YOU LAZY PROGGERS WILL STOP USING IT!

Nah, don't patent the goto.

Patent the entire idea of the machine code 'branch' instruction from whence the goto derives. That'll learn 'em -- you'll single handedly get rid of the whole concept of conditional logic in software. :-P

Cheers

USPTO Link

[MECC]

Here. [uspto.gov]

Got there from a search at their site...

Re:

[tomstdenis]

better is google patents [faster and sexier]

omg [google.ca]

Tom

Err, prior art?

[RingDev]

Filing Date: 05/01/2002
Publication Date: 11/06/2003

Now, I'm pretty sure there is a whole slew of prior are on this, especially since it sounds like they are describing the method Visual Studio uses for break points and debugging. Heck even the debugging tools in VB5 and VB6 fit this description and that's from back in the mid/late 90's.

-Rick

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[gstoddart]

Now, I'm pretty sure there is a whole slew of prior are on this, especially since it sounds like they are describing the method Visual Studio uses for break points and debugging. Heck even the debugging tools in VB5 and VB6 fit this description and that's from back in the mid/late 90's.

Well, I didn't read the specific of how this patent attempts to handle breakpoints, but I was using debuggers with breakpoints on VAX machines in the late 80's ... and those tools had been around a very long time.

People have

Well? Make a point!

[EmbeddedJanitor]

Prior art never seems to be much of an obstacle to getting patents. This keeps the patent industry active, which of course appeals greatly to the patent lawyers.

I recently had a look at the area in which I have one of my patents and found no less than five patents which have claims that mine had. One of them even cited my patent in the search list and still made conflicting claims that were allowed.

This situation is of course ridiculous. There is no accountability in the patent system. That is, there is no feedback in the system that ensures the USPTO provides high quality patents. The USPTO does not get sued if they give out stupid patents. No, you need to hire a patent lawyer and go sort it out in court. There are even some patent lawyers that specialise in mining the patents for prior art conflicts and solicite business that way.

This situation wiill not fix itself because those in the system really like it the way it is. The USPTO keeps cranking out money for Uncle Sam by essentially selling the same property many times over. The lawyers love it. They get to charge fees to apply for a patent, then get to charge even more to fix the mess caused by broken patents. So why would it change?

The only way it will change is if the practitioners become accountable for their actions. If they issue a bad patent then USPTO should pay for fixing the mess. USPTO would not like that, but it would soon improve patent quality. That would reduce patent disputes too, so the lawyers would not like it either.

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[EmbeddedJanitor]

The damage of bad patents can be huge: a small company can be set up around one patent and a screw up can cost the destruction of the company.

From the rules I have read, the USPTO appears to pitch themselves in a similar way to the courts. That is, if you dislike the results you can apply for a reexamination. If the judge/jury/etc misbehaves you can get a retrial. However, I doubt you can sue the Dept of Justice for legal costs etc due to needing a retrial.

This question of culpability was raised here http: [techdirt.com]

That's it.

[Manos_Of_Fate]

I'm applying for a patent on "A system of tubes, that carries information globally, so as to assist the procurement of pr0n."

Re:That's it.

[blantonl]

I'd love to see the prior "art" for this one.

No longer news

[pembo13]

At this point, these things aren't really "news" any more, and certainly no longer shocking.

Re:

[lixee]

At this point, these things aren't really "news" any more, and certainly no longer shocking.

What's shocking is that nobody seems to be doing anything about it. It's like that outrageous CBS/NYT poll which shows 28 percent believe members of the Bush Administration are lying about "what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States."

It's like saying, "yeah, we know, they're all crooks. But whatcha gonna do about it?".

Prior Art

[orbitalia]

oh come on.. Conditional breakpoints have been around atleast since the mid eighties.. for example watcom's wd (watcom debugger) detailed here [pjwstk.edu.pl] for QNX/DOS etc.

Seriously America needs to put a stop to software patents, it's damaging your software industry as Knuth puts very well in his letter to the PTO here [mit.edu]

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[Zontar_Thing_From_Ve]

Seriously America needs to put a stop to software patents, it's damaging your software industry as Knuth puts very well in his letter to the PTO

It will never happen and I will explain why. I worked for the US government some years ago in my first job after college, so I know how the US government works and how government workers think. You need to understand the following:
1) US government workers have "skills", and I use the term very loosely, that often have no practical application outside of the U

I think this is a bit different

[AKAImBatman]

I'm not up on my patent-ese, but I think this is describing a specific type of breakpoint technology based on virtual functions. Since we've been talking about Javascript so much lately, and it's so easy to do virtual functions in JS, here's an example in JS code:

Debugger.breakPoint = function()
{
//do nothing
};

Now if you put the function in your code, nothing happens:

Debugger.breakPoint();

But if you have the debugger initialized, it will replace the virtual function like this:

Debugger.breakPoint = function()
{
    Debugger.runDebuggerAndStopTheWorld();
};

Thus you end up with software breakpoints that can trigger the debugger based on optional listeners. At least, that's how I understand it. I could be wrong about the actual implementation.

Re:I think this is a bit different

[Mr. Underbridge]

Thus you end up with software breakpoints that can trigger the debugger based on optional listeners. At least, that's how I understand it. I could be wrong about the actual implementation.

You've just observed the slashdot patent attention span deficiency. Because most posters on this site don't have the slightest clue how to read a patent, they interpret a patent that claims to improve technology X by using method Y a synonymous to patenting X. Sure, this is obviously wrong to a moderately intelligent Orangutan, but nevertheless, it happens a lot here.

Re:I think this is a bit different - Not Really

[evought]

Yeah, except that debugging, breakpoints, and "virtual functions" or closures, interpreted code, or whatnot have been around for so long, that there is essentially nothing new under the sun. Smalltalk implementations were able to call into the debugger through an assert-like mechanism. You could then enter the debugger, change values around, and continue execution. Made things much easier when you were in the middle of a multi-day simulation test run and hit a problem. You could note the problem, fix it, and continue. Various Lisp, Scheme, ProLog and so forth variants have done some very neat things with debugging support through assertions, exceptions, traps, and all kinds of mechanisms. Essentially, any time you have an interpretive runtime, people play with different ways to do debugging.

Another way to look at it is that many runtimes will automatically enter the debugger on an exception or trap of some kind. An assertion failure generates an exception or trap. Assertions are generally controlled by DEBUG variables of some kind. Viola! Configurable code-side breakpoints. Different languages handle resumption from exceptions in different ways.

The problem is that people who write patents think that the mere act of putting two things together is innovative, even if the first thing is a tool, and the second is a logical extension of the tool's purpose, like adding "on the Internet" to something and calling it an invention. In this case, they did not even bother to see if it was done before, probably because they have no knowledge of languages outside the mainstream.

Re:I think this is a bit different

[escay]

From what I understand (read the invention background section in the patent) This is a patent about the implementation of a breakpoint handling mechanism, not the idea of using breakpoints to debug itself. specifically, conventional breakpoint sends a software interrupt that is either caught by (a) the debugger, pausing/halting program execution or (b) the OS, in case no debugger is present, resulting in a system hang or crash. Also the assembly halt code may vary for different processors.

The patented breakpoint function catches interrupts and handles them in a specific way, irrespective of whether a debugger is running or not, and also issues CPU-indepedent halt codes, marking an improvement over existing techniques.

Karma whoring, you say? I just have a fascination for patents.

Re:

[Xtravar]

That would be called a "function pointer" or "delegate" in "real programming terms".
A "virtual function (or method in non C++)" is similar, but it is accessed through a pointer within the object that points to a virtual function lookup table. In other words, using obj->Function() translates to obj->vfnptr[NUM]()

Yay for pedantry. Now who cares?

Re:

[jimicus]

Something like that's existed in debuggers for years - it's quite common to set up conditional breakpoints and the like.

I think it's a bit more complicated. I'm not quite sure I fully understand it, but I think clause 14 is talking about scripting a debugger.

Re:

[nanosquid]

Yes, but that's not new either; people have been doing that since at least the early 80's.

Re:

[pclminion]

I actually slogged through the entire patent, and to my (unprofessional) eye it certainly looks like they have patented ALL methods of software breakpoints which use a "specially named void function" which is inserted at a specific place in the code by a compiler or linker. That is essentially the definition of a software breakpoint, so they basically have patented the concept of a software breakpoint in general.

Of course, we have to figure out what "specially named void function" means. If it means the f

Re:

[AKAImBatman]

I can believe that. MULTICS was a truly incredible operating system, but is so poorly known by the programming public at large. It wouldn't surprise me at all if HP reinvented something that was already invented in MULTICS.

It's simply too bad that Honeywell drove the system into the ground. We might all be using MULTICS derivatives today if Honeywell hadn't tried to compete against their own computers. :-(

I have a ton of prior art on this one

[bherman]

Take any of my code....it has a ton of breakpoints. Usually any function with an input breaks at that point.

Re:

[zappepcs]

Hey! Where do you work???? you sound like the guy that works two cubes down from me?

What's a breakpoint?

[seniorcoder]

I assisted in the hiring of a mid-level developer for our team.
One week into his new job, I suggested he set a breakpoint in his code to quickly determine the cause of a problem. He said: "What's a breakpoint?"
A month later he was fired.

How does a developer manage to work for a few years without knowing what a breakpoint is?

Re:

[burris]

Easy, you work in an environment that has no or poor debugger support. For instance, I don't know any Python programmers that use the debugger. They all use extensive logging.

Re:

[$RANDOMLUSER]

Indeed. There is a major school of thought (Linus Torvalds and Brian Kernighan spring to mind) that debuggers are an evil waste of time. I've always found that thinking about the problem (and reading the code again) and maybe a well-placed printf was far faster and more valuable than a debugger session.

Re:What's a breakpoint?

[exp(pi*sqrt(163))]

> How does a developer manage to work for a few years without knowing what a breakpoint is?

His code always worked first time?

Re:

[dodobh]

printf(3)

Fuck patents

[dattaway]

A bad law is an unenforceable law.

How Patents Work

[rilister]

Hey people - I read TFA and there's no detail whatsoever attached.

Before y'all get real excited about insane patents:

1) This is a patent application, NOT a granted patent. Hence the serial number beginning 2003 - this means the application was submitted in 2003. It should have been processed now. I'll take a look if I get a spare moment.

2) This is a snippet from the patent abstract, I'd say. It doesn't mean much at all - abstracts are pretty irrelevant to the content of a patent. We have no idea what they are actually patenting from this: it could be an entirely new mechanism for doing this, new code, a genetically engineered cow with the capability of implementing breakpoints.

The abstract means NOTHING - it's often not supposed to. Don't have a cow, guys.

Re:How Patents Work

[karolgajewski]

If you look up the application number in the USPTO, you will see that it has indeed matured to patent: US 7,055,140 [uspto.gov]

The enforcability of this patent, however, is left to the discretion of the patent owner.

don't get yer panties in a wad yet

[uab21]

It's not patenting breakpoints, per se that I can determine. It's a software breakpoint put into code pre-compile, and then you can attach a debugger later to take advantage of the hook points put into the code as void functions, but the program can run normally without a debugger attached and not crash the system (which fixes a problem evident from one of the referenced patents (Carter)). Dunno about prior art for this implementation, but breakpoints in general are not claimed in this application.

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[Teancum]

If this is the patent, even this narrow definition has incredibly ancient (for computer software development) practice. I personally used such "software breakpoints" in software on an Apple ][ computer, back in 1977. And on other computer systems as well.

This sort of breakpoint wasn't even new then, or something novel. In short, the complaints about this sort of patent as simply covering existing practices is valid, and yet another example of how the USPTO is royally screwing up in their understanding of

Hey, I am working on my patent

[Stormcrow309]

I am working on a patent on finding and correcting inconsistances, mistakes and unintended results withing the source code of a computer program by use of an application. It is to go with my application for typing source code patent.

Intel has prior art

[rebill]

In 1989, the lab I worked in had two Intel ICE-85 (In Circuit Emulator) machines, which could debug hardware instructions.

Along with a big IBM boat anchor of a laser printer, our lab was always nice and toasty in the wintertime ... Summer wasn't so pleasant.

Dammit I'm too late

[grumpyman]

I'll try to patent the use of 'print' statement in debugging.

FORTH

[nagora]

Isn't this how at least some FORTH debuggers have worked for decades?

in other patent pending news

[psbrogna]

I'm in the process of getting "software bugs" patented. No worries- I'm planning on being quite liberal with licensing, just a modest subscription based royalty fee.

Prior subject

[dacarr]

As much as I hate to admit, I used to play with Applesoft Basic on my Apple //c when growing up. You do Ctrl-C, and vavoom, you have a breakpoint.

Now, let's go before that, to when I used to tool around on a TI 99/4A, using TI Basic. You hit Ctrl-C during your code's execution, and not only do you get a breakpoint, you get "BREAKPOINT AT n" (n being the line number) for the response. This alone was...oh, I want to say 25 years ago, roughly.

So if this went through, somebody's deserving of a nice lit

Your missing something

[SQLz]

To patent software, it doesn't have to be new, inventive, or even your idea. Thats not the point of a software patent. You just pay a guy to submit anything you tell him to submit, and pay the patent office for the patent. They don't won't even put your idea into google. As long as its not too similar to something in their database, or doesn't violate some law of physics, you are usually good. Its a huge revenue stream for the US. Its the USTPO's opinion that the courts should handle the garbage they let though, and unfortunatly, that translates to the american people subsidizing the patent office by supporting the infrastructure to litigate these patents.

DDT

[rlp]

DDT debugger running (originally) on the DEC PDP-1 supported breakpoints.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_debugging_tec hnique [wikipedia.org]

Did anyone bother reading the Patent?

[qazwart]

This is first of all:

1). Not a patent, but an application for a patent from 2001.
2). This is a specific implementation of a breakpoint function, not breakpoints in general. The idea of this patent is to use an all purpose void function for doing breakpoints instead of a machine dependent instruction as breakpoints are now done.

Patents have been loose (like the one-click patent), but this isn't one of them. Looking at the date on this patent and the way software is now handled, I believe this patent is a bit dated. Sort of like someone patenting a new way to implement the HTTP over a dialup connection without using SLIP or PPP.

Prior art!

[Opportunist]

0xCC

Recent Supreme Court ruling will kill this one

[pcause]

The recent Supreme Court ruling about "obviousness" will make this patent worth less than the paper it was printed on. This one will clearly get tossed if they try to enforce it. It is obvious, in the sense that the Court defined the term and prior art exists.

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[jshriverWVU]

I'm curious why it was patented and then let go for free if that's the case. Patents are extremely expensive, and each year are more and more expensive. Just doesnt make sense to patent something so simple, and pay all that money for nothing.

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[gstoddart]

I'm curious why it was patented and then let go for free if that's the case. Patents are extremely expensive, and each year are more and more expensive. Just doesnt make sense to patent something so simple, and pay all that money for nothing.

Two possible suggestions:

1) Patent it and make it open before some less-friendly entity tries to do it.

2) To demonstrate how ridiculous software patents are by getting something as absurd as this patented.

I mean, let's face it, if the patent examiners granted this pat

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[j00r0m4nc3r]

It's not just that prior art exists, it's that every single programmer in the entire world KNOWS it exists. But it's PERJURY to claim you invented something and try to patent it knowing full well that it already was invented by someone else. I don't see how any computer programmer could honestly think that they invented software breakpoints (except maybe someone like Dennis Ritchie who probably DID invent them...)

Re:Good and sad at the same time

[RingDev]

"It's good to see that this patent is (or appears to be) registered as a free patent that can be used by anyone."

I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion. The patent has been published, but I don't see anything in the link stating that the company has a non-enforcement vow.

-Rick

are you kidding?

[nanosquid]

"Free patents online" is a service that lets you search for patents on-line for free; the patents themselves aren't "free".

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[Pharmboy]

Oh, I thought "Free patents online" was just another RMS cause.

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[Wolfger]

Uh, no. Not worthy of a patent. Maybe at the dawn of programming it was, but there's the concepts of "prior art" and "obvious" that should have easily precluded its being patented in 2007. The fact that this patent passed is scary, and a good indicator that we need to scrap the whole system before some idiot patents "breathing" or "eating" or "using the toilet".

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[russotto]

It's not innovative at all. It's been done before. Look up ""DebugStr" (a Mac function circa 1984 -- there's also one called "Debugger"). And Apple's programmers didn't invent it either; it almost certainly goes back to mainframe days.

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[thekel]

Oops... I read the wrong part, mod my post down. It's not the patent.

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[Teancum]

I've seen this done before... or at least something that could be interpreted along these lines.

In fact, the "software hook" that is referred to here I've also seen a software interrupt added into compiled code that during normal operations would simply have an IRET (interrupt return) op code on the ISR (interrupt service routine). But you could also have an independent debugger also run simutaneously doing all manner of evaluations on the software execution and performance evaluation. Or even evaluate CP