RFID Tattoo for Tracking Cattle and Humans 181
ack154 writes "The Register reports that a St Louis based company, Somark Innovations, has successfully tested RFID tattoos to be used for tracking cattle and other animals. Details are limited for the actual tattoo, but it's said to contain no metals and can be read up to about four feet away. Engadget has some more details on the matter. And yes, the article does mention RFID tattoos are possible for people, specifically the military. From the article: 'The system developed by Somark uses an array of needles to quickly inject a pattern of dots into each animal, with the pattern changing for each injection. This pattern can then be read from over a meter away using a proprietary reader operating at high frequency.'"
Could have just said 'tracking cattle' (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's a sad thing to see - RFID is essentially a stock tracking system, add it to people and you too are stock to be tracked.
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I don't see why people get their panties in a bunch over RFID when it doesn't offer anything that we don't already have with bar codes.
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1: Barcodes can't be read at distance, without me knowing about it. If somebody, for example, tried to read a barcode in my passport, I'd know. I wouldn't know if somebody had tried to read a RFID tag in my passport.
2: I'm sure that if the article related to barcoding cattle and soldiers, you'd have received similar comments. To be honest, I don't want RFID or barcodes printed on me for the world to see.
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2: I'm sure that if the article related to barcoding cattle and soldiers, you'd have received similar comments. To be honest, I don't want RFID or barcodes printed on me for the world to see.
I'd go out on a limb and guess that what he meant was that it was alarmist. This isn't about the use of RFID as such. It's just a new innovation using the technology. Mentioning that humans could be tattooed as well is superfluous and not at all different from saying the same thing about any tracking technology used for animal life. "Barcodes/RFID/generic radio tags/GPS/ect is used to track animals and could be used to track humans, too! Your privacy is at risk!". It'd be slightly annoying to have to r
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"2: I'm sure that if the article related to barcoding cattle and soldiers, you'd have received similar comments. To be honest, I don't want RFID or barcodes printed on me for the world to see."
I'd go out on a limb and guess that what he meant was that it was alarmist. This isn't about the use of RFID as such. It's just a new innovation using the technology. Mentioning that humans could be tattooed as well is superfluous and not at all different from saying the same thing about any tracking technology used
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You don't need the implant in order to work for them, just to access the data center.
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"here are companies now that require you to have an RFID chip emplanted in you in order to work for them."
You don't need the implant in order to work for them, just to access the data center.
At CityWatcher.com that is correct. There were other locations where all workers were required to be tagged, and some of those are listed in the wikipedia RFID site (which I thought I had linked, but apparently did not) and in other places. In any case the distinction is not very relevant with regard to slashdotters
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Hey, if you just wanted a place to publicise your opinion, you could have just replied to the article. Actually, "people like me" are fully aware that it's a real possibility that something like this will happen in the distant future, and "people like me" aren't denying anything. Are you sure that you were able to correctly form an idea of what "people like me" are like from that small post regarding preference?
Your post seemed to indicate that the very idea that this could be applied to humans was so prep
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It could never [umn.edu] happen [reviewjournal.com] in reality [cnn.com].
Sorry you got annoyed. We'll try not to let it happen again.
(Tagging your ass with an RFID is the government's wet dream. Anybody that thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.)
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Ok, a couple problems here.
1) If you RTFA, you will note that the RFID tag is
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Re:Could have just said 'tracking cattle' (Score:5, Insightful)
I think 4 feet is plenty. Someone doesn't have to "wand" you, they just need to walk past you with a reader in their pocket. Also think about readers at entrances to subways, on the "walk" button poll at every street corner, entrances to buildings, on the money collector on the bus, etc.
The whole RFID thing is pretty disturbing when you look at the behavior of governments throughout history, and the behavior of the US government recently. The trend towards tracking and investigating everyone in more and more detail every month is not encouraging at all. I'm not concerned too much about today or tomorrow, but 20 years from now when the cost of readers is $2, and they can communicate wireless to a central reporting system - all in the name of anti-terrorism. I used to think that this was all tin-foil hat stuff, but recent (past 4 years) actions by the government have changed my mind.
GB isn't much better at the moment with tracking cameras everywhere, automated license plate readers, etc.
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As a side note, statistics show that cameras don't deter crime in SF. Crime in areas with cameras went up at the same rate as areas without.
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You're right in that most major US cities are like that, but then most major US cities are run by Democrats. You don't get that shit in the red states.
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a high gain directional antenna with receivers (tranceivers? these are passive, or only semi-active, right?) tuned to the same frequency would get better spatial resolution and standoff range than what is likely present in the standard receiver.
Think of WiFi (std 802.11). normally very local, but with high gain directional antennas, people have used it for long range networking.
Alarmist summary, yes. Misplaced fears, maybe. Incorrect technically, not n
Re:Could have just said 'tracking cattle' (Score:5, Interesting)
Or it could also be used specifically to TRIGGER bombs, mines and other explosives upon detecting a particular group of persons, or even an individual that matches an exact code.
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You won't notice if... (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, one wouldn't notice if someone dressed in an LED clown suit with a megaphone started jumping up and down with a wand announcing, "Please remain immobile, I am about to scan you." But you're not going to notice if there's a reader embedded in the wall of a hallway where you're walking.
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When's the last time you saw a doorway over 4-feet wide? Unless you plan on staying in the wide-open spaces the rest of your life, you're going to be scanned and tracked. All it takes is a simple scanning device and a building entrance. They already have tags and scanners at doors for tracking stolen, they just add a new scanner that tracks RFID and vi
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There must be some term coined by now, akin to Godwin's law, that as the length of a discussion increases, the probability of someone using combatting pedophillia to justify their argument approaches 1.
However, unlike Godwin's law, the person who brings up pedophil
Just like fingerprints... (Score:2)
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This and the registering of sexual offenders has always bothered me, and not just because of the privacy implications or the fact that sometimes innocent people are convicted or because "sexual offenses" can be something as simple as being seen peeing in the bush
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G.I.s already provide DNA samples. DNA in bones and teeth survives fire and decomposition much better, making RFID unnecessary.
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All military personnel have their DNA on file for that purpose.
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I take it you don't know much about profiling or database mining. It won't take long for that number to be required for various activities. However, even if it isn't, that number is YOU. You can change your name; you won't be able to change the number without getting a skin graft. Someone doesn't need to identify your name; they just need your number. Identify you once as "That number just passed our scanner,"
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... same as serial numbers and bar codes.
I don't see why people get their panties in a bunch over RFID when it doesn't offer anything that we don't already have with bar codes.
The issue I would have with this, being ex-military myself, is the fact that an RFID tattoo would be permanent. When you're done with the military you can just throw your ID card away. Not-so-easy when that ID is tattoo'd permanently into your skin.
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How, exactly, do you think the military works? Every soldier is treated as a precious little snowflake?
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Microchips for mentally ill planned in shake-up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/n e ws/2007/01/17/ncrime17.xml [telegraph.co.uk]
'Radical measures for tackling crime - ranging from monitoring the behaviour of the mentally ill with radio chips to hormone injections for sex offenders -- are to be considered by the Government in a wide-ranging policy review ordered by Tony Blair.'
The whole briefing document is at http://www.cabinetoffice. [cabinetoffice.gov.uk]
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Hmm, how about we just put it on my girlfriend? My ex is going to get it as is, god knows that bitch was a heffer.
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Then it would be a real news site and not Slashdot. They have to keep raising the bar to set themselves apart from the rest!
Should have just said 'and humans' (Score:1, Insightful)
Then, won't someone think of the children? They'll be far safer if we know where they all are at any given moment.
Plus, it will aid in all types of commerce
Actual Picture (Score:2)
Pretty incredible stuff!
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you missed the joke part - I guess I should have been a little more obvious...
eh? (Score:4, Insightful)
If its a pattern, and using a propriatory ( presumably optical ) reader, this is not radio based tech and thus not rfid.
surely?
Re:eh? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm not sure whether this can conform to the same specifications as what we normally consider RFID, but it's probably something they can read with radio waves, not an optical scan. Radio wave scanning can detect patterns and stuff too, you know.
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Re:eh? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:eh?++ (Score:2)
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Tattoos as ID? (Score:5, Insightful)
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When they came for the Angus, I didn't protest, because I wasn't an Angus
When they came for the Herefords, I didn't protest, because I wasn't a Hereford
When they came for the sheep, there was no on left to protest for me
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Now if you want to argue that the circumstances surrounding the scheme and the motivation for it were particularly awful I'd be in full agreement. The scheme itself, however, I believe was a success.
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*sniff* (Score:1)
What good would a four-feet RFID signal be in the middle of Basra? (of course, I know the signal would be routed, but still...not that great really...)
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No offense but... (Score:1, Insightful)
Animals! (Score:5, Funny)
So when does every member of Congress receive their tattoo?
Brilliant (Score:1)
I personally don't predict a lot of RFID tagging in the military.
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Tracker Nano-bot Swarms (Score:2)
Now imagine them killing people, and homing in on the "tagged" people.
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Or, want to commit genocide? Figure out a unique genetic trait possessed mainly by your "target", and then release the nanites into the population at large. Granted you'll probably take out a few hundred thousand people who don't fall into the target category, but genocidal maniacs aren't
Good for the sheeple (Score:4, Insightful)
By any chance (Score:2, Funny)
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How do we fight this? Use the Christians. (I don't see why cynical good and cynical evil can't both play this game.)
"OMGWTF. It's the mark of the beast! JUST LIKE IN THE ACID TRIP AT THE END OF THE BIBLE. The sky is falling!"
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And in case of a large EMP... (Score:2)
Hmmm... I don't think the military want it and I don't think any human in their right mind want it either (Implicit question regarding the sanity of those already implanted intentional).
Who needs to be a so-called "Revelation nutter" not to want to shun this? (And talk about "argumentum ad hominem - abusive" label! not that s
No metal? (Score:4, Interesting)
No metal? This doesn't sound like a radio transceiver at all. Can you make an electronic device without using any metals?
I wonder what it actually is. Glorified barcode?
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Synthetic aperture radar techniques would be able to image the pattern in two dimensions. These resolve distance by using a "chirp" - a swept-frequency pulse of significant duration - and can resolve
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(I guess it is just a barcode after all)
Renewed use for matrix printers! (Score:2)
Evolution of tracking. (Score:2, Interesting)
Mistake for covert ops (Score:4, Insightful)
Unless the tattoo is easily and cleanly removable, it would be a mistake to use on the general military population, since tattooed grunts couldn't aspire to covert ops (too easily identifiable).
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PR (Score:1)
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Drawbacks (Score:2)
I'd be more impressed if (Score:1)
Mark of the Beast (Score:2)
Cattlecars (Score:2)
I want to be the first to say..... (Score:2)
Will you.. (Score:2)
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Sweet! (Score:2)
I see problems (Score:2)
Let's go over this (Score:2)
Here is what I don't understand - If this "tattoo" contains no metallic elements of any sort, how precisely is it supposed to induce an electromagnetic field from a 4 ft away, let alone kick back a serial
Is it EMP resistant? (Score:2)
Wonder if it will work on programmers? (Score:2)
Innovation RFID with temperature (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow! (Score:2)
RFID tagging is not new (Score:2)
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Nowhere in the article does it state that the US Government has any involvement with this company.
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Were you born this paranoid/delusional/retarded, or did it take practice?
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Well, if you read the posts you'll note that this is also working the other side of the coin: the tin foil hat wearers who claim that Bush is behind this. These are normally the same people who blame the Christians for everything that goes wrong as well.
Ultimately these two groups are the same people with a different outlook on religion but the same type of paranoid hysterics that make the rest of us roll the eyes.
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