Apple Execs Reportedly Faked Options Documents 172
theodp writes "Federal prosecutors are reportedly looking closely at stock option administration documents that were apparently falsified by Apple execs to maximize the profitability of option grants. While Apple has said CEO Steve Jobs did not profit from the stock-option backdating, Jobs has reportedly hired his own attorney to deal with the SEC and Justice Department."
Humbug... (Score:5, Funny)
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It must be noted, though (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:It must be noted, though (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, but it should be pointed out that if they weren't forced to use a one-button mouse it would have only taken one click...
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They would have done it in one click, but Amazon already had a patent.
Is Apple still a /. sanction company? (Score:2)
Say it Ain't So Fred! (Score:5, Informative)
Now it seems the financial genius is another self-serving, crooked corporate scumbag.
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Convertible bonds aren't a win for existing stockholders, however, who find their stake diluted by the new issuance. To oversimplify, it would be like the US government printing money to pay debts.
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Think about it. If the total number of dollars remained constant, a dollar today would be *more* valuable than in the past since there are now more people and more things to buy than ever before.
Every time the fed prints more money than is destroyed, they are deliberately devaluing the money in your pocket.
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"Printing money" is really a metaphor in the context of Federal debt service. The Fed doesn't literally print new money, it buys back Treasury bonds, i
Re:Say it Ain't So Fred! (Score:5, Informative)
They are a win for existing stockholders if the officers use the cash to help engineer a comeback which quintuples the price of the stock, as was the case at Apple. One of the things Apple did with that money was buy NeXT.
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Well, as far as the US is concerned, that would be a good thing because it would devalue the dollar and would make US goods and services more competitive, while at the same time reducing imports.
It would nominally lower the US standard of living, but practically, not being able to buy Chinese-made clothes and electronics in large amounts would probably be a good thing.
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Unless the issuance helps bail the company out of dire financial straits. As long as the stock goes up and provides a good rate of return, everyone's happy. It's certainly much better for the stock price than say . . . the company becoming insolvent, defaulting on crippling long term debts and/or filing for
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Lawyering up. (Score:5, Insightful)
The purpose of a lawyer is to look after your interests while you conduct your business - they can warn you of impending trouble - and can nip a long drawn out investigation that will result in no arrests or charges right in the budd.
It's stupid to blame someone for seeking protection from abuse.
-GiH
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OK, I will bring Captain Solo and the Wookie to you.
Re:Lawyering up. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh.. right.. slashdot.. I mean *hiss* *woosh* "I have altered our arrangement" *hiss* *woosh*
-GiH
Lawers ARE evil (Score:2)
Yeah yeah yeah - lawyer.. evil.. tell it to the birmingham five.. or any black kid attending school in the south.. or anyone who was arrested and found not guilty due to lack of evidence.
This is Slashdot. Lawyers ARE inherently evil here. The gestalt view is that when you're discussing lawyers in a given situation, there is really only *one* lawyer. That's the lawyer on the wrong side of the case. The other lawyer(s), representing the right side of the case, don't exist. Technophiles apparently are just
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Re:Lawyering up. (Score:4, Insightful)
Let the lawyer figure out the law stuff, and let the CEO figure out the business strategies. Taking all matters into your own hand is a grand waste of time.
B.
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I don't think anyone is blaming for seeking protection. You, however, using the word "abuse", seem to already have determined that he did nothing wrong.
Whether he personally profited from their accounting practices is completley irrelevant.
He is the highest ranking corporate officer at Apple and as such has responsibilities and obligations to the shareholders and the board.
If he violated those by backdating options for other executives and em
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-GiH
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It's stupid to blame someone for seeking protection from abuse.
It is worth noting, however, that Jobs did recieve backdated options during this time (55 million of them), but had them cancled in 2003 when the SEC started getting serious about investigating such things. However, he was rewarded with a bunch of new, non-backdated shares worth $85 million at the same time. Face it, Jobs stood to benefit from the backdating, was fully aware that it was going on, and still got the payoff when all was said and done. Just because they pulled a CYA so that they can now cla
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What I will say, is that it is hardly unusual for an executive to take his pay in stock options. 85 Mil. in stock [granted, more than I will ever see] is saddly in the b
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/ 12/28/APPLE.TMP [sfgate.com]
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I suspect we'll hear an argument that it was an innocent mistake, and that the records were altered to make it "legal."
Oh well.. so much for innocence.
-GiH
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Where does it say that? No, they come across as "this matter is of sufficient concern to Jobs that he needs to hire a lawyer", nothing more and nothing less.
As a law student I'm coming to understand that you're a damn fool to deal with the gov't without someone there to advise you.
Maybe eventually, you'll also learn not to jump to conclusions.
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Where does it say that? No, they come across as "this matter is of sufficient concern to Jobs that he needs to hire a lawyer", nothing more and nothing less.
allow me to refer you to the first reply which asked me that: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=213828&cid=173 81666 [slashdot.org]
Maybe eventually, you'll also learn not to jump to conclusions.
Pot, kettle, black?
-GiH
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How or why did you interpet that comment as an attempt to prove wrong doing? I read that comment and came to the same conclusion you did, it was more then likely for protection purposes.
I read through the first few replies, includings such gems as:
yay, another company who's CEO's rob shareholders
What?? Are you saying that Steve Jobs makes more than $1 [wikipedia.org] a year?
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Shakespeare was right... ...need to kill all the lawyers.
-GiH
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so, do you see now how the sentence could be interpreted as implying Jobs' guilt?
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Way to flamebait the headline (Score:5, Informative)
Take a look here [com.com] or here [com.com].
It's not flamebait, the declaration was not timely (Score:3, Informative)
It's still fraud if the backdating occurred, and it's no less serious just because Apple pre-empted any SEC investigations. Most criminals don't get off scot-free just because they turn themselves in when it becomes obvious that the authorities are about to arrest them.
If the stock options were backdated are not declared, then the Apple officers receiving them were actually receiving additional compensation of the difference between the options' declared price on the backdated date, and the price on the re
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I don't think that is a valid analogy. With most crime, it's a simple matter to know whether you are obeying the law or not. You can turn yourself in, but everyone knows that you broke the law, and everyone knows that you know.
But when you ge
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No, you credit a liability account. Regardless of the account type credits are always negative and debits are always positive. On a liability account a credit, being negative, increases liability. Unfortunately, under the traditional accounting system negatives are never used and thus it is recorded as positive credit because it is an increase. But it is an increase on an account which nat
Not one to dogpile Apple, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not yet, anyway, and maybe never, if the next round of initiatives (smart phone, media ventures, etc.) collapses.
Distracting Jobs and blemishing his heretofore immaculate turtleneck might have more consequences than just an easy story for everyone from CNET to AP report and re-report.
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Hi, I'm a Mac... (Score:5, Funny)
playing aggresively (Score:5, Insightful)
The price is that executives can no longer spend company money on whatever they wish. Executives cannot arbitrarily set pay. What we have seen in the past twenty years is scam to increase executive pay while simultaneously decreasing exposure to risk, while in the truly private sector, the opposite is true. The stock option is the classic example. It is marketed as a method to align the executives interest with the stockholder interest. If the stock rises, the executive gets rewarded. In reality, just like bonuses, the behind the scene negotiations guarantees the money no matter the state of the company.
In reality, these new breeds of corporations, with their bloated bureaucracy, with no other purpose than to create meaningless work that justifies it's existence, and raise prices and cut research to free enough money to pay for these non productive agents, are indistinguishable from any other massively bloated public entity. The similarities to congress, who wants to vote in a pay raise every year, but can't complete the minimum job requirements like passing a budget, are amazing.
Corporate crisis PR playbook (Score:5, Insightful)
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More like Clinton denying he had sex with an intern. I love bad partisan analogies!
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But please, more clinton blowjob cracks; god knows they're so relevant....
Relevant like bringing up Tony Snow in a discussion about Apple?
Re:Corporate crisis PR playbook (Score:4, Informative)
1) It was actually Apple who first found problems, told the SEC they had found problems, and started its own internal investigation.
2) If a company says "we are NOT cooperating with authorities", the company has a real problem.
3) Considering that this is about events from 1997 to 2002, it is not unusual that people leave a company in four years.
4) Steve Jobs just made a cool 3500 million dollars by selling his share of Pixar; the whole case here is about options worth less than 17 million.
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Because their irony meter would explode?
Mountain from a mole hill? (Score:2)
Apple did have some rough spots during the second coming of Jobs. I doubt Jobs would have a financial care if Apple tanked because he was still successful with Pixar. But, those other execs may have lost faith in Job's vision and decided to implement plan B. I suspect they developed an immunity to reality-distortion fields due to long term exposure early on. Thus, in those uncertain days during the recession, they decided to to milk those stock options with creative accounting. Though they probably rank up
The corporate lawyer is NOT your lawyer (Score:5, Insightful)
This is probably a great time to remind everyone that unless you, personally, have paid your attorney's retainer, he is not your attorney. If the lawyers paid by Apple could save Apple a nickle by hanging an innocent Steve Jobs out to dry, they would be obligated to point out that fact to their client, who is not Steve Jobs.
The moral of this is that even if your employer has paid for a lawyer, you still need your own lawyer, even if you really are as important as Steve Jobs thinks he is. Don't depend on your employer's lawyer to defend you. He'll sell you out as soon as it helps his client.
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In California at least, in most circumstances the company is required to pay your legal fees, including hiring those fees your "own" lawyer for cases where you're defending against a compaint that originated from doing your job.
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The Purpose Of Lawyers..... (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmm. No wonder their options... (Score:2)
why this matters (Score:3, Informative)
I do not work for them (Score:2)
FT: Apple 'Falsified' Files on Jobs' Options (Score:2)
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Guys, do you realise that all of this story is just based on hearsay from some Anonymous Cowards?
(May I add that slashdot is sometimes completely braindead. On my first post it ignored my username/password marking this as a post by "anonymous coward", when it reposted it it asked me to "be more original". )
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The market overreacted. It may reflect poorly on management but it is highly unlikely to affect their ability to sell Macs or Ipods.
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I would have bought some this morning if I had the free cash. It was like a sale on Ap
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Well they are, with the Bush administration at least.
That was hoisted up high and shown quite publicly in 2001.
However, this matter has nothing to do with MS, and even if it did have some element of MS in it, it concerns actions that Apple did by themselves and if guilty of a crime, should be penalized.
I do find it funny that you just painted yourself as a total MS shill though.
How's that beige polyester suit and loafers working out for y
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Someone from the government used a remote exploit to modify the option documents to entrap Apple employees.
Re:Shakespeare was right... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Maybe, but I don't think that's the case here. It shouldn't take a lawyer telli
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Re:yay, another company who's CEO's rob shareholde (Score:5, Informative)
A company can give you any number of stock options it wishes, at any strike price it wishes. If the strike price is equal to the share price on the day the options are granted, the company does not have to pay any taxes on the grant. If the strike price is lower, then this is treated as if the company had given you cash, so you have to pay income tax, and the company has to register the difference as a loss. So it was always legal for the company to give you options at the share price at an earlier date, but YOU would have to pay income tax for it.
What is NOT legal is to modify the grant date and so hide the fact that taxes need to be paid.
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Re:yay, another company who's CEO's rob shareholde (Score:5, Insightful)
Moreover, it was the downfall of Enron that highlighted Arthur Andersen and eventually exposed World Com. It's not like the Justice Dept. was on some sort of corporate crime crack down. They were dealing with the blatantly obvious.
Moreover, before you start cheerleading about "all of these corrupt companies were brought to Justice," I would suggest that you look at current practices for awarding and funding contracts for security, military, and reconstruction projects.
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I sort of threw up a little in my mouth when I read that.
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Anyway, when Bush comes into office, with a business background, 'fudging the numbers' is not cool. You either made a profit or you didn't, regardless of what shell offshore companies you bought.
Um, no. Bush's Justice Department didn't move one finger to increase prosecaution for bad accounting practices until after there was huge publ
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So, ya, hiphip freak'n hooray for the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice started investigating a crime after the criminal notified them of
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Or is that just me?
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It's a FUD-rucker (Score:4, Insightful)
Why should you object to us searching your car if you're not carrying any drugs in it?
Why should you care if we listen to your phone conversations if you're not plotting terrorism?
Why do you own a gun if you're not being attacked right now and don't plan on killing anyone?
Why are you using the psudonym "Orion Blaster" if you have the right to free speech?
Secondly, Steve Jobs hired an attorney, singular. Not "an army of lawyers". Thanks for playing the exaggeration game though.
If some documents have been faked, there must be others. Just like if some music on your PC is pirated, you must have stolen all of it...
Yes, the backdating of stocks, the result of which gave MORE money to executives, caused Apple to be MORE profitable. [rolleyes]
Enron's issues were more than "cooking the books". The media portrays the entire Enron mess as a few guys changing a bunch of numbers in a ledger and a bunch of shredding of documents that proved their numbers were wrong. It goes further than that, into the realm of coercing power plant managers and tampering with the energy market itself. Remember those rolling blackout in California a few years ago? Those had nothing to do with an actual shortage of energy production ability verses demand in the summer months.
This is what Enron was up to... (Score:3, Interesting)
No kidding.
"Tonight
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Usually one hires a lawyer after they get sued or charged with a crime. So what is Jobs being sued over and what crime is he charged with? Can't answer that? Maybe you are the one with FUD here?
Steve Jobs may have one lawyer speaking for him right now, but Jo
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You didn't answer any of the questions. This is your logic. And according to it you must be a terrorist-serial-killer with a side job as a drug runner. After all, comrade, the police don't pull over innocent citizens to search their cars!
Yeah, I checked out so
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I am not 16 years-old by the way, and I used to work for a law firm, and I know what slime they used to protect because they were corporate lawyers who repre
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I have not made any pronouncements regarding the validity of the document. Feel free to quote the relevant potion of my reply where I state that no false documents have been submitted by Apple to the SEC.
A CEO is not solely responsible for everything a company does. I a
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I never said he was guilty, I only said I wondered why he needed lawyers in this case and asked if he had something to hide. Asking a question is not the same as saying someone is guilty. It is you who are making false assumptions.
Yes there is other evidence, like executives cashed in their stock options, the money trail, the emails over the document, etc. That lead the SEC and others to fin
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Actually, asking a question is certainly a way of making accusations. It's been used as past tactic by the mass media and political campaigns. You original question was "Why does Steve Jobs need an army of lawyers if he didn't do anything wrong?" Your questions poses the idea that
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Amazing how a CEO takes credit when a company is profitable, but when something bad happens, all of a sudden they are quick pass the blame somewhere else. So much for "The buck stops here" way of thinking. Like you, many refuse to take responsibility for the positions they hold and what their companies are doing or not doing.
It seems you suggest a career as a parent [slashdot.org] I wonder how much t
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Deduction [reference.com], eh? So which am I doing? Subtracting? Deducing? I have to admit, I am following deduction when it comes to logic, but that has nothing to do with threatening or ducks. Unless, you find my ability to "use reasoning to make conclusions based on a premises" threatening your ability to spread conclusions based on conjecture. [grin]
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Steve Jobs is the CEO of Apple, and must sign off on the accounting books, stock options, and other decisions that a CEO makes. A CEO takes responsibility for his actions and behaviors and the actions and behaviors of his company and the people working under him. The CEO is accountable to the board of directors and
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So all those posts of mine you linked in your last reply, they were relevant to the stock options issues at Apple how? This conversation was taken off-topic long before this, by you. Probably about this point [slashdot.org] where you called me a Neanderthal.
All of which would have been scrutinized as part of Apple's own internal in
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Because the right to legal counsel applies to CEOs too?
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Most people hire a lawyer after they get sued or arrested and charged with a crime. When someone hires a lawyer and they aren't charged with a crime or arrested with a charge against them, it makes me question why they have a lawyer in the first place.
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People like you and me hire lawyers when we're sued. Rich people use lawyers far more often. Those lawyers (and, presumably, Jobs' lawyer) are specialists in various fields of law or regulation, and are hired to make things go smoothly and provide advice in th
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besides... this is over paperwork, and iirc there was some loophole that some financial people felt they were taking advantage of and that's why so much of this recently is in the news. Steve Jobs would be crazy not to have a good lawyer.
this won't do anything to productivity at Apple, no matter what happens. look at other cases of this recently in the news.
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