Market Research Company Secretly Installs Spyware 206
An anonymous reader writes "Forbes reports that two security experts are raising new questions about comScore, claiming that company's tracking software is being installed without consent on an unknown number of computers. The widely-used online research company takes screenshots of every Web page viewed by its 1 million participants, even transactions completed in secure sessions, like shopping or online checking. ComScore then aggregates the information into market analysis for its clients, which include such large companies as Ford Motor, Microsoft and The New York Times Co." From the article: "'[The] software is sneaking onto users' computers without the user agreeing to receive it,' says Harvard University researcher Ben Edelman, who documented at least ten unauthorized comScore downloads. Eric Howes, director of malware research at antivirus company Sunbelt Software, and his researchers separately observed hundreds of unauthorized comScore downloads in a three-month period this fall."
Well? (Score:4, Insightful)
Some justice,revenge,butt chewing,anything?
Do we write our congressman,DOS them or what?
all problems and no solutions.
It must be illegal on some level.
do we file a massive suit and each collect $5 or what?
I can't find the repository (Score:2, Insightful)
Windows users: when you use linux, a program that does just what you need
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I think we should all write in this style.
A real Story-of-Mel [wizzy.com] style.
Hawt.
Seriously. The world
might not be made better for it.
But *I* might be made better for it.
When Congress writes anti-spam/anti-spyware laws
in this style, and the FBI enforces them,
with judges reading sentences in
i-am-bic pentameter,
humanity will be restored
(whatever THAT means).
[Now, watch slashdot's formatter totally f this up]
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Yes, but then they'll point out that when you downloaded that Naked Britney Spears Screensaver, you clicked on a EULA which authorised them to read all your bank passwords. The fact that no-one in their right mind would do so is irrelevant.
Personally I'm getting close to the point where I'm going to completely disconnect my Windows PCs from the Net and just have a Linux box for web stuff... it's just not worth the risk of
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Or more likely the ELUA attached to the program said "We can change this however and whenever we like". With there being a piece of HTML somewhere on their website which says "We own anythihng on your computer".
Personally I'm getting close to the point where I'm going
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In contrast that silly UK guy is going to get deported to the US because he was looking for UFOs by getting into US Gov machines without permission.
Yawn... (Score:2, Funny)
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Do you have to deal with the problems? (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe you're 12 and your time's worthless. Mine isn't and I now charge $$$ to fix computers. You don't want to pay? YeeHaw! Go away, fix it yourself then, or find some rather dim student who has nothing better to do.
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Re:Do you have to deal with the problems? (Score:4, Insightful)
Real friends don't expect you to do work for them. If that offends them, good riddance.
Yes, but it's not my responsibility, nor is it a way I want to spend my free time. There are much more fun ways to strengthen friendships that don't involve one person doing work for free.
As far as I'm concerned, my help stops after I tell them to run Debian.
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When it comes to this: very. Life's too short to spend it doing other people's work for free.
And it's not a lack of social skills. I just don't hang out with people who want me to be their bitch. I don't hang out with them to get free stuff from them, so why should I be expected to provide free services to them? That's not what friendship is about.
I might feel differently if they wanted coding done (my actual job, which I enjoy), or
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Firefox error.
Re:Do you have to deal with the problems? (Score:4, Insightful)
Hear, hear old chap!
It's about time we all stopped subsidizing Microsoft's insecure shitware. If everyone who had Windows had to pay GeekSquad's rates every time a computer died, there would be much more pressure on Microsoft to release something secure. But they don't, because they don't have to.
And seriously, it takes a good whole 12 hours of watching the cleaning software chew through all the data on drives these days and when you're done, you're still not sure you got everything.
Yet some "friends" want us to do it for free or for prices that wind up being about minimum wage when the billable hours are worked out. Sometimes that's ok. Some charity cases are OK in my book, but when the charity case comes back 6 months later with the same old "my computer is slow", one feels like a chump.
So now my line is "I'll do it for free if you let me put Linux on it."
Last Friday, a colleague asked me if his computer was infected because it was slow. I told him it was probably a couple of hundred infections (true). He was wondering if he should give it to me or GeekSquad. I told him GeekSquad will just format and reinstall. I did tell him that while he could pay me to do the same thing at a cheaper rate than GS, I would put Linux on it for free. He's thinking.
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BMO
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Did you miss the part where I said "I suggest they use Debian"? I'd help them with that. If they wan
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Re:Yawn... (Score:5, Insightful)
Interestingly, the advice given is almost the same too: don't plug in...
People are doing it and kids will do it, so instead of closing your eyes and yelling "don't do it", you should at least show them how to use protection first.
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Re:Yawn...Just say no to sex. (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, abstinence is the only 100% effective way of preventing STD's, but teaching that and nothing else, is an extraordinarly dumb thing to do, because it goes against our natural instincts. We are born with the need for sex, and when it awakens it tends to go a little nuts. Abstinence only education can lead directly to teen pregnancies and the transmission of std's, because kids are not given an alternative method of protection, and in fact statistics show that it simply doesn't work in any way shape or form. Ignorance is not protection.
Your gun lesson analogy is a bad one. Firing guns is not a natural urge written into our genes.
ALL teens have sexual urges, but only a handful of nutcases have the urge to shoot their classmates.
Thus, your argument is a red herring.
That being said, it wouldn't hurt to have an alternative method of protection against guns, such as trigger-locks, and not rely solely on the "don't do it because I said so" method (which incidentally is the same one used in abstinence only education).
A more proper analogy would be:
You have a swimming pool in your back yard. You can tell your kids not to go in it all you want, but one day, when you're not looking, they will, and when that time comes, wouldn't it be safer if they've been taught how to swim?
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On an unrelated topic: This is why sex on TV/Video games gets more attention than violence.
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That's a nice analogy, but it doesn't fit. Almost every friend I've set up with Firefox, firewalls, anti-virus programs, etc. has, within days, DISABLED those programs and gone back to surfing bareback.
Why? I ask.
Every bogus reason in the book:
"It was too *slow*" (It wasn'
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I don't know why the hell we're even discussing abstinence, STDs, and guns. The article doesn't have anything to do with any of those things.
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There is no comparison between temporary anger/frustration and the continuous urge that drives the population boom. It's the essence of natural selection. If you're horny, you're more likely to procreate, and thus your gene pool lives on.
That's sort of odd... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why is the DOJ worried more about aunt Eunice downloading MP3s than they are about people who are maliciously causing harm?
sigh, I'll write but I wonder if my representatives will actually notice...
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Win-win-win solution (Score:5, Funny)
First, we have the NSA, DHS, et al target their illegal wiretapping programs at spammers and spyware makers. They've got the infrastructure to track these people down, and this is a justification for the programs everybody can get behind.
Second, when a spammer is caught, we ship them down to Gitmo. It doesn't matter, in this case, whether torture is an effective means of getting information. We don't need information from them, we just want them out of circulation. We can hope that it would be a deterrent, but really they'll be getting it for the simple reason that they deserve it. Republican/Christians get to torture and sodomize to their shrivelled little hearts' content, and we don't have to worry about damaging our reputation in the world community. Everybody's happy!
Gentlemen, there is no way that we can lose on this one!
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LOL. That sentence alone ought to have earned you 2 to 3 mod points... Or, maybe you had them, but had them taken away by:
"spammers and spyware makers are evil and a drain on society" supporting types....
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I'd say a Democratic/Atheist one, you know, so long as we're making snap judgments about people.
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Time and money saves lives and prevents deaths. If the resources drained by spam were used to make safer cars, more lives would be saved yearly than are lost to terrorism. If those resources were used in sub-Saharan Africa, even more lives would be saved.
Inconvenience for millions equals death
"unauthorized download" (Score:2, Insightful)
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Oh I hope it DOES make its way onto my machines. I can't wait until they see how much I charge for CPU cycles.
HOSTS entry to block? (Score:4, Informative)
I want to proactively block any chance of getting caught by this. I just added this to my (Windows/XP HOME SP2) HOSTS file (C:\windows\system32\devices\etc\HOSTS):
I recognize this is but a start. I expect this has been investigated by others already. Rather than re-invent the wheel, I'm looking for some input on what else I can do to protect myself from them. (I already use ONLY firefox, and also have AVG, AdAware, Spybot, and WinPatrol)
Questions:
FYI: Wikipedia's ComScore Entry [wikipedia.org]
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Re:HOSTS entry to block? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Your best bet (Score:4, Funny)
Links? (Score:2)
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ldd `which lynx`
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7ef3000)
libbz2.so.1.0 =>
libncursesw.so.5 =>
libgnutls-extra.so.13 =>
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GNU/Linux and Free Software put the ultimate control in the hands of the people. We allow the vendors like RedHat to set our exp
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Oh, yes. Not being able to run the MMORPG's of my choice massively improves my internet experience and not being able to run the games I want massively improves my desktop experience.
Given the choice between living in a sterile
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Not if you're a gamer.
Oh, and by the way, make sure to keep installing all those security updates no matter which OS you use.
Intercepts https:// (Score:5, Interesting)
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Most obvious is bank passwords, etc, but comScore says they don't monitor those. comScore DOES however say that they verify their user's name, address, income, etc., which I'd imagine most users wouldn't actually agree to if they were fully informed.
In other words, comScore does a credit check. People routinely agree to those. So I'm not sure that your last statement is correct.Re: (Score:2)
It's sort of like credit check, I suppose, but they can (and based on the "buying power" reports they generate, I believe there's a good chance they do) track purchases made, and may track bank balances (I'm not sure how easy this is to do, but it's possible they do this for the X largest ecommerce sites and the X largest banking sites).
Yes, people routinely agree to credit checks, but usually there's a direct financial benefit... eg. getting a loan or something like that. comScore rarely pays its parti
Re:Intercepts https:// (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a serious limitation of SSL on commodity operating systems, by the way. IE's list of trusted root certificates is simply entries in the registry. Even if you're part of the infinitesimal fraction of users who knows what a CA cert is and where to look for them, how can you do a security review on all 39 of the root certificates that come with Firefox, or spot a new unwanted one? (One of those root certs is from AOL, by the way). If you trust the Mozilla foundation to audit the security and practices of each and every one, do you have the same trust in a proprietary browser's developers? Even assuming the developers make the decision instead of the marketers?
this is what they should do! (Score:5, Interesting)
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How is what these scum are doing any different from a thief photographing the contents of letters in your mailbox?
None that I can see.
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I don't think Ford, Microsoft, etc. would do business with them if what they did was really obviously illegal. Also, if taken to court or whatnot, they'd probably say that most users agreed to their EULA [opinionsquare.com], which says things like:
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I feel how you feel. Maybe what we end users need is a hella intense honey net with our OWN real-time MITMA to
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The police department which actually does this would arrive by helicoptor and have a nickname of "The Flying Pigs"...
Screenshots? (Score:5, Interesting)
This isn't what the actual article says. It says "virtual photos". Most likely is that it's just collecting URLs.. and maybe the contents of the page.. There would be no reason to do screenshots... It would make things much more difficult to analyze.
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From TFA:
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--jeffk++
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For that matter, the title "Market Research Company Secretly Installs Spyware" is completely wrong. Even the researchers aren't suggesting comScore* is actively involved in anything illegal, just that they're indiscriminate about what kind of scum they use as distributors.
* I was going to ridicule the submitter/editor but they actually got the company's name right, while Forbes is wrong...
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So what good is a unenforced law? (Score:5, Insightful)
So what good is the Computer Fraud and Abuse Title Act 18 Section 1030 if the FBI will not enforce it?
Re:So what good is a unenforced law? (Score:4, Informative)
> it?
It would also appear to break the UK's Interception Of Communications Act 1988.
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And the UK Computer Misuse Act 1990.
But the authorities won't do anything without a complaint. So if you find this software on your computer then make a complaint to the police. Otherwise nothing will happen.
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Answer: It makes Congress look good. The can go home & tell their constituents "look what wonderful law I voted for".
In reality, it takes either some Attorney General makes a stink over it, or some high profile mishap lights a fire under their asses.
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They probably do enforce it, just in a highly selective and political way.
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Where's "Crackers" when he's needed?
They have to! Think of the poor marketers! (Score:5, Funny)
Skew them ! (Score:3, Insightful)
Who would have thought that people who regularly view Ford's web site also like Goats ?
I hope someone takes the lead on this (Score:3, Insightful)
I think there is a point that needs to be driven home into our culture that it's NOT okay to do anything for money. Because I believe that at some level we all somehow forgive these people for their tresspasses because their motivation was for profit... and we all understand the need for profit right? No, there are limits to what is acceptable behavior with a profit motive and like HP's spying (which arguably wasn't directly a profit motive but performed by a profit seeking competitive organization) we should not simply dismiss this as yet another "white collar crime" and move on. If people felt like they were risking more than a few hundred thousand of their millions of dollars, they just might think twice before ordering these things be done.
Client List (Score:5, Informative)
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Availability of garbage (Score:3, Interesting)
(For those wondering, sometimes I feel like downloading things just so I can play with it if I wanted to, in a VM for example, where a snapshot can make everything go away)
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They don't do it (Score:4, Insightful)
Enticing a third party to commit a crime should carry heavier penalties than doing the crime yourself. Especially when as in this case multiple third parties are enticed.
And comShare is receiving stolen property - property stolen only because they offered to buy it. But do we need new law in this area to properly jail these fuckers?
It's the stupidity, stupid. (Score:4, Funny)
"Two years ago, university IT managers busted comScore for tricking students into installing tracking software packaged with a free Web-accelerator program."
Why are university students downloading a "Web-accelerator program"? Because they're too stupid to know that these programs are worthless bullshit. Once again, we see that the biggest problem is not viruses or "spyware" -- it's user stupidity.
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Why doesn't it inform you? (Score:2, Interesting)
If comScore isn't being devious or underhanded, why don't they have a clear install/operation routine that warns you every time you fire up a web-browser session?
All it would take is a box, perhaps giving you an opt-out for that session or simply just recording URLs. This would still provide accurate and interesting data. Especially in the latter.
Then the marketing droids would see which kinds of information people didn't want them to track.
I'm guessing they chose the spyware/malware route (which I se
No reason to be worried ! (Score:4, Funny)
We Linux users are safe.
Re:Live CDs (Score:2)
Flamebait? Maybe, but I personally think you are on to something there, though it has little to do with linux per se, but rather with that Ubuntu CD. What about it? It's a livecd. Use that, and you *will* be safe from even the most blatant user errors and the most malicious crackers (but not social engineering, sadly). Replace it once a year to be on the safe side.
Now actually, that would make browsing a mite slow. So maybe an install option where everything is mounted read-only? It might work.
This is o
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Snob.. Own a Mac.
Sensible about security.. Own a non-Windows computer.
Smile
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Heh. This is the first time I read about some famous person dying... and it turned out to be true!