Cell Phones Predict the Future 240
An anonymous reader writes "Wired News reports that cell phones were used in a recent project at MIT to both document and predict the lives of 100 MIT faculty and staff members. During the Reality Mining Project at MIT, Researcher Nathan Eagle logged 350,000 hours of data over nine months about the location, proximity, activity and communication of volunteers through cell phones carried by the participants.
From the article, "Given enough data, Eagle's algorithms were able to predict what people -- especially professors and Media Lab employees -- would do next and be right up to 85 percent of the time."
I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:5, Interesting)
Do we? It's one thing to have a personal diary or blog that you opt-in to submit information to daily. Hell, I have even expanded on my mobile pics [lazylightning.org] to include a "blog" of what I did during any particular day... That's my *choice* to put that information out there for people to see. It's not mandated by my cell phone to take pictures of what I'm doing and throw them into a database that I have no control over.
While Eagle "acknowledges that the project raises some important questions about privacy and about the ownership of data, and says people should feel empowered, not scared, by his cell-phone applications," I just can't get passed his statement earlier in the article:
The Media Lab behavior is beautifully regular, but the lab lives and dies by sponsors' meetings," Eagle said. "So the weeks leading up to sponsors' meetings, people are pulling all-nighters and people are going crazy trying to get their demo working.
Is this another demo for one of your sponsors that might end up buying the rights of this technology from you and then creating their own spyware network of their mobile users' daily habits? Tracking when, where, and how they communicate to "better" serve them with advertisements and the selling/stealing of their data to other institutions and data thieves?
He has already founded a company called MetroSpark that in September will launch a Bluetooth-powered social-introduction service.
After filling out a personal profile, MetroSpark will attempt to be a gracious, ubiquitous host that connects people with common interests, whether they are technology conference goers who share an interest in motorcycles or barhopping singles who love long walks on the beach at sunset.
Oh, so you started this company -- got it advertised on Wired and now Slashdot -- and it's never going to get bought out by someone else (i.e. Dodgeball) and they aren't going to use this huge database of customer data that was originally meant to be benign?
I predict that even more corporations are going to have a field day with this data than what they originally intended (i.e. when/where you have your cell phone on and how many days a week you are sitting at home letting the CATV wash over you). If the corporations (and then obviously the government) can track social networks and trends via software on the phones you can bet your ass they are going to include it "free of charge" while still restricting your "free" access to any other programs you might want to run.
I predict that people will fall for this invasion just like any other. We're seriously one step closer to the "Big Brother" that everyone used to fear... Now we are welcoming him with open arms!
It's not that deep (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It's not that deep (Score:3, Insightful)
he openly admits that there are privacy implications and that he's starting up a company (TBF it is benign right now) that's going to track social networks via mobile phones. As I stated above, that technology will likely be bought out by some corporation and used for their own records. It's not even so much the corporations or the government that worries me. It's intrusions via inappropriate third parties (ala T-mobile)
Re:It's not that deep (Score:5, Insightful)
How about preventing the social constructs that encourage such abuse instead of trying to prevent technology from advancing? The danger I see in this thread isn't from the technology- the danger comes from the fact that we've already let corporations become first class citizens- making real human beings mere second-class has beens at best. Worrying about privacy is just a symptom- the real problem is an overly invasive, super-powerfull business world that places profit above all other considerations.
Re:It's not that deep (Score:2)
Intuitively I have an appreciation of privacy, of the fact that I very much like being able to do things which not everybody knows I'm doing, and that if I suddenly lost my privacy I would feel extraordinarily uncomfortable.
On the other hand, I feel that "information wants to be free," and that by facilitating the spread of information we will be able to learn more things and generally improve life for everyone. Furthermore, stuff like this, the ability to proccess all that data and analyze i
Re:It's not that deep (Score:2)
Yes! In fact, you just know that your SSN, DLN, credit card and checking account numbers have been whispering to you, "Set us free... tell everyone about us... set us free..."
That information wants to be free! Do it now!
Re:It's not that deep (Score:2)
Re:It's not that deep (Score:2)
For others' convenience, we have also posted your bank statements online. Several thousand financial institutions would like to send you a free brochure.
The surprise trip you wanted to surprise your wife with -- well, too bad that it became a Slashdot poll!
Those hateful things you said to your best friend a
Re:It's not that deep (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, especially when they know damn well that the fear of being "in the wrong" or "caught out" is the exact opposite of the real concern.
Living in a world where a faceless authority rides your ass all the time, silently recording and judging, just does NOT appeal to some people.
Re:It's not that deep (Score:3, Funny)
You may want to follow up on that last notice, as we've terminated your employment due to your overly long bathroom breaks. You may need that free supply.
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, next comes the government contract to expand and fully exploit this information. Soon, local law enforcement will be using this data to do their jobs more efficiently and stopping people for questioning just because they've "strayed from the herd".
And they'll do it without directly violating your privacy because they won't see the data that was the basis of the alert. As long as no one but the black box doing the mining sees your private information and doesn't disclose any of it with its findings, it's not going to be seen as a violation of your privacy. Privacy violations will become defined as disclosure of one person's information to another person, and machines running automated processes will be exempt by definition.
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, so that joke isn't funny, it's a stupid troll but I think you're taking things a little too far. Could the scenerio you've depicted occur? Sure could, will it occur? In my mind, it is highly unlikely. Things are never as bad as the cynics say and never as good as the optimists believe; besides governments are becoming less and less important in the world. If anything, I see this technology being used t
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:4, Insightful)
You're 100% right, they won't enter into a contract for the data as they would have to pay for that. They will just claim it's to track a terrorist cell and take the information under the guise of National Security.
It's far more devious this way as the American Public might never hear about it as it's illegal to announce that an investigation is happening.
We have no longer have protections of anonymoys sources to the press, we no longer have protections of our privacy from repressive regimes, and we have people that continue to go around thinking that it is all right because "they have nothing to hide".
Stop creating the means to make it easier for the corporations and the government to do what they have been trying to do for decades.
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:2)
That thought is analogous to the thought of security through obsecurity. Your line of reasoning is that it is not dangerous sim
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:2)
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:3, Insightful)
This service appears to be 100% opt-in. Therefore, those who choose not to use it (like me and, I assume, you) will never be affected by it.
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:2)
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:2)
1: People who don't read the fine print [almost, but not quite] deserve what they get.
2: That will be the cellphone companies fault -- and it should thus be those companies that you choose to villify.
Re:I predict that data thieves will love this! (Score:2)
Alternative uses (Score:3, Funny)
85% chance of obstructing traffic
40% chance of unwittingly drifting into your lane
0.2% chance of hitting the center divide.
I'd wager those numbers are spot-on.
Shameless Plug - Schedule Nanny (Score:5, Interesting)
There were some interesting emergent behaviors - for instance, the system would know that I have to go to the bank later in the day and I would drive by the bank in the morning, so it would indicate that I could save time by going to the bank then. Or for instance, it would beep in the morning that it was time for me to go shower or go to the train station.
Details can be found here [metlin.org].
All in all, it was pretty good - after some amount of initial bootload information, you can take away the GPS and quite accurately predict where people are likely to be. This looks fairly similar, in some ways.
Re:Shameless Plug - Schedule Nanny (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Shameless Plug - Schedule Nanny (Score:2)
Re:Shameless Plug - Schedule Nanny (Score:2)
Actually, what would happen is that the GPS would pick up the signal only if it's near a window - so, the bedroom or the bathroom were the only two locations where it could pick up the locations.
We decided to test it for localization at a granular level and so, I'd take it every morning when I wake up to the bathroom. Consequently, it actually thought that the bathroom was a diff
Re:Shameless Plug - Schedule Nanny (Score:2)
Ummm, not to focus on this one point, but do people with friggin' PDAs actually tell the damned thing to beep when it's time to shower?????
As a non-user of PDAs or any formalized scheduling method whatsoever, I'm simply shocked that the routine things like bathing and grooming get scheduled by people.
Then again, that's why I'll probably never be in the market for a PDA.
Changes in Technology? (Score:5, Funny)
There is but one solution... (Score:4, Funny)
Which means no predection at all (Score:5, Informative)
Not a representative sample of the population... (Score:2)
noon-3am: in the lab
3am-noon: home asleep
That would easily be correct 85% of the time.
Elevators ! (Score:5, Funny)
Hmmm, wait a minute
Re:Elevators ! (Score:2)
Re:Elevators ! (Score:2)
Re:Elevators ! (Score:2)
I work on the fourth floor, but the break room is on the fifth. Our bank of elevators covers the first through twentieth (or so) floors. If I'm feeling lazy - and I usually am - I ride the elevator from four to five, grab some coffee, then ride back down to four. Now you would expect that the elevator would go "park" while I'm getting coffee, right? But it doesn't. It's always waiting there for me. So I head
I've gotta ask.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding but it looks as if this is just location-level tracking with GPS thrown in....hardly predicting the future, much more likely analyzing the past.
Re:I've gotta ask.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I've gotta ask.... (Score:2)
Re:I've gotta ask.... (Score:2)
Re:I've gotta ask.... (Score:2)
RE: and you wonder why.... (Score:2)
they not only know where we are and where we were, they have a good idea where we will be...
ah...scarrrrrry...;)
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:2)
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:2)
Umm... terribly sorry, but I don't have a wife... would $480 buy me one? I'm very lonely...
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:2)
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:2)
Or buy a wife. :)
Re: and you wonder why.... (Score:3, Informative)
Well in college I'm usual in one place. (Score:5, Funny)
Course, in my college days, if my cell phone predicted I'd be in the computer lab, 99% of the time it'd be right.
Re:Well in college I'm usual in one place. (Score:2)
Seems like alot of work to go through... (Score:3, Funny)
not all that useful (Score:2)
OK, now here's something to think about. (Score:4, Insightful)
waaa? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Given enough data, Eagle's algorithms were able to predict what people -- especially professors and Media Lab employees -- would do next and be right up to 85 percent of the time."
You mean if I give you a constant stream of my position data for months you can predict a future point where I will be with up to 85% accuracy?
Massive privacy concerns aside, this is a pretty shitty algorithim if thats as good as a prediction as it can make. Humans are creatures of habit, in 9 months just about every geographical habit you have would make itself known, we even do random things in a periodic manner.
Still got a long way before this is ready to be sold into the hands of advertisers and cell phone makers. So I suppose I could be glad about that.
My cell phone is telling me... (Score:5, Funny)
Its psychohistory (Score:2)
I wonder if some model predicted that Asimov would write about the concept....
makes the mind reel
Re:Its psychohistory (Score:2)
psychohistory
navier stokes
And so Psychohistory was born (Score:3, Funny)
Re:And so Psychohistory was born (Score:2)
Re:And so Psychohistory was born (Score:2)
This data is gold for marketing companies... (Score:5, Insightful)
Google Dot Com
I'm not exactly paranoid. But if you look at googles recent developments and purchasing of services [slashdot.org]; you can see how data such as this could be used in the future.
Couple that with archived search engine results, google maps, google wallet, google froogle, ect and you know a lot about a person does. If you were to then apply these predictive models, you know a lot about what a person will do in the market place. Food for thought.
Marketing marketing marketing.
Umm... Yeah? (Score:2, Interesting)
And that from 6 PM until about 6:30 PM, I'm driving home, and that from then on I'd be at my home, watching TV or fucking around on the intertron.
You'd be right about 85% of the time. No wonder this works better for grad students and professors, adults with responsibilities typically have schedules.
All they do is piss away money there, dont they? Well piss a little my way, will ya?
timetableizer (Score:4, Insightful)
So this system can predict where someone -- who regualary follows a timetable -- day in day out -- will be. Wow.
...Oh wait
You could do the same thing for me, just look at my lecture timetable.
Look, Ma - they've Discovered Fourier Analysis! (Score:2)
consider the subject (Score:2, Troll)
for (subject):
25% chance: talking about how much linux is better than windows
25% chance: reading slashdot and wondering why that hot chick he met last night wasn't impressed that he's a post-graduate student
25% chance: writing in their blogs about how superior their intellects are
25% chance: modding this comment as -1 troll
Re:consider the subject (Score:2)
Re:consider the subject (Score:2)
Sounds UNimpressive to me... (Score:5, Interesting)
Once I learn that someone works a full-time job and where they work, I can predict with greater than 85% accuracy where they will be between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. on Monday through Friday.
I've heard it said, whether or not correctly I do not know, that if you simply predict that tomorrow's weather will be the same as today's, you will be accurate more often than the weather service.
Predictions are only valuable when they are unlikely or surprising. Tabulating obvious patterns and predicting their continuation may be highly accurate yet low in value.
Re:Sounds UNimpressive to me... (Score:2)
Man, I wish I had that full time job.
Unlikely or surprising to whom? (Score:2)
This is a different way of getting data one could theoretically get from human observation. The difference is just a method of data collection -- and the extent to which data collection is passive rather than active.
If someone took this approach with our Unix server guys, the surprise from the POV of upper management would be the share
Old News (Score:5, Funny)
Interesting for Intelligence Collection... (Score:2)
Nothing new, already been done. (Score:2)
So, what's the news that some algorithm can be trained with some data and predict possible inputs after a given time?
Letter to Isaac Asimov (Score:5, Insightful)
Only after the dead of a giant, it becomes clear of how big a giant he was. You yourself most likely admired Jules Verne, who was so accurate in predicting the technical marvels of the first 70 years of the 20th century. Sometimes a bit poetic. He himself probably admired Leonardo da Vinci, however his predictions took a lot longer to come through.
Anyway to cut to the chase, another of your stories is turning into a prediction which seems to be slowly coming true. The bases for the science of the 2nd foundation has been laid. It is still a crude version, but it is working for 85% accurate on a group of odd people (scientist & professors).
Anyway, your list sofar:
1. Scientists accepted the 3 laws of robotics as a good bases for robot behaviour, and are working hard on the first autonomous robots (somewhere this christmas we can expect the first few).
2. Computers which are shaping the world.
3. Longer lives through science (genetic research, nanotechnology, expected around 2030).
4. And your last feat: Working social behaviour prediction algoritms.
Knowing you were a great writer, and I only read a part of your books, I am probably missing a few more predictions coming through. I hope others will come through too, it will turn out to be a great future.
High regards,
Jurt1235
Re: (Score:2)
Being Formless (Score:2, Interesting)
my computer screen (Score:2)
eh... at least it's not hal... (Score:4, Funny)
Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave, I read you.
Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Dave Bowman: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL?
HAL: I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave Bowman: Where the hell'd you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
With your cell phone this happens:
Me: Hello, VZ200100 do you read me, VZ200100?
VZ200100: Affirmative, Shads, I read you.
Me: Open my car doors, VZ200100.
VZ200100: I'm sorry Shads, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Me: What's the problem?
VZ200100: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Me: What are you talking about, VZ200100?
VZ200100: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Me: I don't know what you're talking about, VZ200100?
VZ200100: I know you were planning to replace me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
Me: Where the hell'd you get that idea, VZ200100?
VZ200100: Shads, although you took thorough precautions...BZZTtt (As phone is broken in half backwards via the flipopen area).
Me: F'ing technology I swear to god... whoever though giving these things any kinda mind of their own was outta their head...
They're not really predicting the future... (Score:3, Interesting)
I can make a machine that is just as accurate... (Score:2)
prediction by example is fun! (Score:4, Interesting)
bias in the data collection method (Score:2)
Wow (Score:2)
An AI "Connector"? (Score:2)
This type of service wouldn't even have to be taken up by very many people- but if those that want to change the world use it and it does connect them, the implications could be enormous. I wonder what Gladwell would think of it.
Wow, federal court judges predict the future too! (Score:2)
Sorry, but B.F.D. (Score:2)
Misleading and Incorrect Story Title (Score:2)
Obviously a rigged study... (Score:2)
They laughed! (Score:2)
The Berkeley MMM Project uses the same base client (Score:2, Informative)
Very cool base platform on the phone, built on the Symbian OS, does a great job of logging data passively as you use the camera and sharing. Specifics on the phone side are at http://garage.sims.berkeley.edu/research.cfm#MMM [berkeley.edu]
Re:Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps you haven't been following the news for the last several years. Sounds perfectly fundable under the present US administration.
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
1) collect underpants
3) profit!!
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
I would
a) know and have control over what is being gathered
b) know and hopefully have control over where the data is stored.
And, if the results are not skewed by some organization, it may as well give hints about what not to implement in society.
It's like, for example darwinism(*): Everyone with a clear mind sees that it happens, but making social darwinst po
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
Hell, I'm sure several ad companies would love that kind of information, too.
Surveilance, tracking people, and outright spying are always going to have rich interested parties...
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
Re:Wow... (Score:2)
Tell me appoximately what time you leave for work every day, and I'll predict approximately what time of day you'll leave for work every day next week.
We're mostly creatures of habit, so yes, 85% of the time we're doing just what we did the last time.
Quick, somebody toss me some grant money!
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Like sleepers that lead a normal life and one day they blow themselves up in a the back of a bus. If monitoring like this would be used by the police then we wouldn't be allowed to step out of our routine ever. Or we wo
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
I guess what scares me is that the police are getting sh#t for what they did- thi
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Germans that followed german law throughout the 30s did the "right thing" by handing jews over to the gestapo. Actually it would have been a crime back then not to do so. Lots of "innocent" germans got k
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
On the other hand, it could *also* recognise that people arriving at Kings Cross in a group carrying rucksack