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Study Shows China Tightens Internet Filtering 298

Posted by Zonk from the not-that-any-chinese-people-will-see-this dept.
Torrey Clark writes "China is the world's leading censor of the Internet, filtering web sites, blogs, e-mail, and online forums for sensitive political content, according to a study released Thursday. The OpenNet Initiative said that China employs thousands officials and private citizens to build a 'pervasive, sophisticated, and effective' system of Internet censorship. 'ONI sought to determine the degree to which China filters sites on topics that the Chinese government finds sensitive, and found that the state does so extensively,' said the study. 'Chinese citizens seeking access to Web sites containing content related to Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, the Tiananmen Square incident, opposition political parties, or a variety of anti-Communist movements will frequently find themselves blocked,' the report said."
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  • Works fine from here. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:20PM (#12247731)
    "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."

    Somebody had to say it.

  • Which is one good reason why... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Sanity ( 1431 ) * on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:22PM (#12247765) Homepage Journal
    ...we are working on Freenet [freenetproject.org] and supporting efforts like Freenet-China [nyud.net]. We are also beefing up Freenet's security to more effectively thwart Chinese censorship, allowing extremely vulnerable users set up a "global darknet", where they only communicate directly with people they trust. Read more about it here [gmane.org].

    As always, if anyone would like to support our development effort, please feel free to donate [freenetproject.org].

    • Re:Which is one good reason why... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by John Seminal ( 698722 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:32PM (#12247931) Journal
      ...we are working on Freenet and supporting efforts like Freenet-China. We are also beefing up Freenet's security to more effectively thwart Chinese censorship, allowing extremely vulnerable users set up a "global darknet", where they only communicate directly with people they trust.

      There is a philosophical question under all this. Do people have an inherent right to have any and all information free? I don't think anyone wants ALL information floating around free. What most would consider freedom advocates will still want all spam shut down. Somwhere a little to the right of that, some will want websites teaching how to make bombs shut down. A little more to the right, some will want porn shut down.

      So the question arises, should countries, with their own values, be able to determine what content their people are exposed to? For example, can China declare communism is best, and ban all websites promoting capitalism? Can Iran declare western film evil, and ban all websites with western film content?

      • So the question arises, should countries, with their own values, be able to determine what content their people are exposed to? For example, can China declare communism is best, and ban all websites promoting capitalism? Can Iran declare western film evil, and ban all websites with western film content?

        Yes! They can and they do. But, perhaps most inersting, is that their governments and laws are not swayed by the opinion of Slashdotters. Weird eh?
        • Yes! They can and they do. But, perhaps most inersting, is that their governments and laws are not swayed by the opinion of Slashdotters. Weird eh?

          Thank God. Sometimes I think there is more inbreeding at Slashdot than in the British Royal Family.

          I can just imagine if Slashdot was a government. They would ban Microsoft, everyone would have to have linux, although there would be a sect of the government pushing for BSD. Government TV would only show Wierd Science and Real Genius, back to back, and foreve

          • They would ban Microsoft, everyone would have to have linux, although there would be a sect of the government pushing for BSD. Government TV would only show Wierd Science and Real Genius, back to back, and forever!

            In the words of The One Who Shouldn't Be Named:

            BRING IT ON!

      • Re:Which is one good reason why... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Sanity ( 1431 ) * on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:40PM (#12248056) Homepage Journal
        Do people have an inherent right to have any and all information free?
        If not, who decides what information should and shouldn't be permitted?
        What most would consider freedom advocates will still want all spam shut down.
        Spam is about getting information you don't want. Freenet only gives you what you ask for. The freedom to communicate is about the freedom to communicate between two consenting people. Few people willingly consent to receive spam.
        So the question arises, should countries, with their own values, be able to determine what content their people are exposed to?
        You shouldn't confuse countries with those that happen to be in-power in those countries at the present time. Often those people are in-power against the will of the majority of the inhabitants of the country they rule.

      • Re:Which is one good reason why... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by stinerman ( 812158 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:51PM (#12248205)
        In this case, I think the good outweighs the bad. I can deal with spam if it means that people in China, N. Korea, etc. can get unbiased information.
      • I don't think anyone wants ALL information floating around free.

        I think you'd be surprised.

        So the question arises, should countries, with their own values, be able to determine what content their people are exposed to?
        No.

        For example, can China declare communism is best, and ban all websites promoting capitalism?
        Yes.

        Can Iran declare western film evil, and ban all websites with western film content?
        Yes.

      • There is a philosophical question under all this. Do people have an inherent right to have any and all information free? I don't think anyone wants ALL information floating around free. What most would consider freedom advocates will still want all spam shut down.

        Spam is not information. Spam is unsolicited bulk email. The information disseminated through spam could be put on a webpage or emailed to subscribers only, and it wouldn't be spam. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with cramming speech down p

      • A little more to the right, some will want porn shut down.

        I agree that many voters would want this, but I doubt the Republican politicans would ever actually do it. The politicians are in a beneficial cycle at the moment, where they are elected by people who desperately want them to do certain things, most of which would be bad strategy for them to actually do.

        It's far more beneficial to give the appearance of strenuously fighting porn than to actually eradicate it, since that would be one fewer thing th

      • I don't think anyone wants ALL information floating around free.

        I do, for one. This already makes your argument moot =)

        Seriously, though, I think you mistake the 'freedom to hear' and 'freedom to say' (which is what free speech is all about) with 'freedom to be heard' (which is what spam overlords demand, and what we refuse to them). The first two are most definitely fundamental rights, and yes, I believe they apply to any kind of information - be it a political manifest, instruction on how to make exp

    • There are also other end-user (working) anonymous-p2p programs [wikipedia.org] such as:

      • I2P [i2p.net]
      • AntsP2P [sourceforge.net]
      • Mute [sourceforge.net] (It has an anonymity bug so do research on this one before using it).

      The site Anonymous-p2p.org [anonymous-p2p.org] has a good list of anonymous p2p programs as well.

    • While your goals are admirable, I don't really know how effective your plan will be. There are already plenty of way around the so called "great firewall of China". People who really want the information probably can get access to it if they are savvy enough. The firewall blocks the casual user, ie most people. If people have to clear a significant hurdle just to get information that they may not really even be all that passionate about at the moment, then honestly they probably won't bother. Plus you
    • It sounds like a noble and good cause, by all means. It also reminds me of a project/operation/movement I read about quite a while ago...

      Book called "Steal this computer Book 2" by Wallace Wang (a very good read, if I may stray slightly offtopic) mentions, in addition to "Human Rights in China" website ( http://www.hrichina.org/ ) existance of 2 mail-newsletters, distributed via e-mails, that focus on issues of Freedoms of Speech and Information in PRC:

      http://www.bignews.org/ - seems to be still pretty

  • Dept (Score:4, Funny)

    by cyberfunk2 ( 656339 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:23PM (#12247781)
    -- brought to you by the "No-shit-sherlock" department.

  • Filtering (Score:5, Funny)

    by ddelrio ( 749862 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:26PM (#12247831)
    Sounds like they block everything but spam.

  • Culture Differences. (Score:4, Funny)

    by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:26PM (#12247835)
    In America we are given the righ to free speach. And this is actually a dangious right to have. Free Speach can give ideas that people will miss interpreate and twist around, or give them ideas that could be harmful to society. It is a risk that us westerners take for advantage. But other cultures see it as a danger and feel that they should limit speach thus reducing the risk. It it two sides of a simular issue. Do you take the risk of free speach or help control the risk with censored information. I feel that free speach is a good idea because it will lead to growth vs keeping the same. But the risk is always there.
    • If we started limiting free speech freedoms to those who know how to speek properly maybe we wouldn't have such a functional illiterate problem in the western world.

      My only problem with free speech is that those who don't know how to speek also have the freedom.
      • "If we started limiting free speech freedoms to those who know how to speek properly maybe we wouldn't have such a functional illiterate problem in the western world."

        Whipping out my English cluestick...

        free speech freedoms should be free speech.
        speek should be speak
        speek properly should have a comma after it, denoting a compound sentence.
        functional illiterate problem should either be 'illiteracy problem' or 'widespread functional illiteracy.'

        "My only problem with free speech is that those who don'
        • Whipping out my English cluestick...

          English shouldn't be capitalized when speaking about the language, only when speaking about the people from England. The English speak english.
    • In America we are given the righ to free speach. And this is actually a dangious right to have. Free Speach can give ideas that people will miss interpreate and twist around, or give them ideas that could be harmful to society.

      You must recognize that the concept of "that which is harmful to society" is equivalent to "that which is immoral."

      Given that, you must agree with me that free speech gives people the right to have immoral thoughts.

      But who is the arbiter of what is a moral thought and what is an i
  • ...how well these filters will really work. From what I understand, it's pretty hard to make a good filter that blocks what you want while leaving what you don't unblocked. Then again, I'm sure China wouldn't mind blocking too much, and would err on the side of blocking too many things.

  • Censorship (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:27PM (#12247848)
    I find it interesting how the Chinese government is all up in arms about Japan rewriting their history books, yet censors controversial Chinese history (e.g. Tiananmen Square) as well as current events (e.g. Taiwan and Tibet).

    Granted the Japanese is almost rewriting history as oppposed to censoring it completely, but I believe the fundamental mentality is the same.

    • Re:Censorship (Score:5, Insightful)

      by glesga_kiss ( 596639 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:40PM (#12248052)
      I find it interesting how the Chinese government is all up in arms about Japan rewriting their history books, yet censors controversial Chinese history (e.g. Tiananmen Square) as well as current events (e.g. Taiwan and Tibet).

      I guarantee that wherever you are, the same thing happens. The popular version of history is rarely as unpleasant as the reality. "History is written by the winners" as the saying goes. So, while we Brits forget about us routinely using bombardment to literally terrorize "unwilling subjects" in the British Empire days, the Americans gloss-over cowboys genociding 20,000,000 native Americans over 20 or so years. If there isn't a movie/tv drama about it; it never happened.

      Apologies if I didn't rake up any shit on your country. Consult your local library if you want more information. It's all there. Even the neuteral Swiss will have some dark periods of history that is glossed over in popular culture.

      • Insightful?

        Americans gloss-over cowboys genociding 20,000,000 native Americans over 20 or so years

        This is the myth passed around by europeans and arabs as a way to justify their own atrocities.

        From the Indian Wars wiki [wikipedia.org]

        "citing figures from a 1894 estimate by the United States Census Bureau, one scholar has noted that the more than 40 Indian wars from 1775 to 1890 reportedly claimed the lives of some 45,000 Indians and 19,000 whites.1 This rough estimate includes women and children, since noncombatants
        • Do the numbers really matter that much? I mean, reading this [wikipedia.org] alone makes me sick, and that was just 100 people killed if you think in terms of numbers...
      • Even the neuteral Swiss will have some dark periods of history that is glossed over in popular culture.

        Yes, the Swiss are excellent shots. That's the reason for the holes in their cheese: target practice, and lots of it.
      • Indeed... good ol' Christopher Columbus himself was known to have massacred [google.ca] and/or enslaved people of various non-caucasian races. However, according to most of what you would learn in school, he's a hero for "discovering" America.

    • Re:Censorship (Score:2, Insightful)

      by HexRei ( 515117 )
      From what I've read, it's not so much the government as the people themselves who are upset and protesting about the japanese revisionism.
      Ironic that they don't care about their own government's similar behavior... or maybe not really, when you think about what the chinese gov't do to those who publicly protest the Chinese government.

  • Anon-Proxy (Score:3, Informative)

    by Honest Man ( 539717 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:28PM (#12247866)
    There are tons of anon proxies people can connect to to mask what sites they're going to. I'm sure the tech-savy are just using one them and surfing anyway.... The only way around that is to block all access to all ip ranges outside China's blocks.

  • It's good to see they get most favored nation... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:31PM (#12247901)
    It's good to see China gets most favored nation trading status. After all, a country that represses its own citizen to the point of shooting them en masse and trying to cover it up, censoring internet access, and killing off political opponents deserves our respect and trade.

    Especially when that trade costs many American workers their jobs, and results in a massive trade deficit that's only good for China, American executives, and their puppet politicians.

    Must be the whole "culture of life" thing at work.
    • I want to know what this orgy over China is all about? It seems too many of the enlightened class of the world believe that if act all "nice nice" with China that that will somehow reform them.

      NOT!

      China is playing countries off on each other to great effect. They are setting the stage to walk all over Taiwan. They will get it to the point that the EU will probably actively prevent the US from exercising their promise to protect this island country.

      China sits there and violates most things that both th
  • The study describes the filtering as "effectcive," but then points out that most American media, human rights, and anonymizer sites are still reachable. Given those apparently contradictory statements:

    1. Is the filtering truly effective, or only the most effective filtering currently in use?

    2. How long can the government of China sustain this level of filtering before it either shuts off most of the Internet to its citizens or has to give it up as unmanageble?

    3. How long will it be before some politi

  • ianc (i am not chinese) (Score:3, Funny)

    by to_kallon ( 778547 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:31PM (#12247919)
    China employs thousands officials and private citizens to build a 'pervasive, sophisticated, and effective' system of Internet censorship.

    but it seems to me that there is a chink in their armor here. how does the government determine who is allowed to determine what is allowed to be viewed? employing thousands of people for the task of limiting the viewing capabilities of all the others doesn't seem very effective to me. what's stopping any one, or more, of them from building in a backdoor for themselves? from visiting "dangerous" sites? i'm sure there are very strict, probably painful, penalties for such actions, but it comes back to the question brought up earlier: qui custodiet ipsos custodes?
    • but it seems to me that there is a chink in their armor here.

      It's unintentional gems like this that make my day.

    • who is allowed to determine what is allowed to be viewed? employing thousands of people for the task of limiting the viewing capabilities of all the others doesn't seem very effective to me. what's stopping any one, or more, of them from building in a backdoor for themselves?

      I'd bet that some (if not most) of the people who work on it have unlimited access, but their usage is monitored. As for monitoring, well given the google api and a few weeks, you could write your own bot that does searches for things

  • Dept? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Grip3n ( 470031 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:33PM (#12247948) Homepage
    What's with the department that submitted this being called the "not-that-any-chinese-people-will-see-this" dept? I'm chinese in insensitive clod! I just happen to live in Canada.

  • From TFA: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by anti-pop-frustration ( 814358 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:36PM (#12247988) Journal
    Despite conventional wisdom, though, ONI found that most major American media sites, such as CNN, MSNBC, and ABC, are generally available in China (though the BBC remains blocked).

    Another proof (if needed) of the total uselessness of american corporate media.

    China's dictatorial government doesn't even see them as a threat... Sleep tight america.

  • Logographic language filtering (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mogrify ( 828588 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:38PM (#12248028) Homepage
    I know that not all the content the Chinese censors need to filter is in Chinese, but this report made me wonder... how would applying filters to a logographic [wikipedia.org] language such as Chinese differ from filtering content in Western language systems?

    It seems like it would be a lot easier to block an idea if it were represented by a unique character than by a set of phonemes that could easily be 0bfu5cat3d without losing meaning. Does a language like Chinese generally lend itself better to computerized manipulation?

  • Interesting (Score:2, Insightful)

    by TJ6581 ( 182825 )
    How ervasive and effective can a system be when you are paying people to review it. There are 3 problems that spring to mind.

    1) Doesn't it defeat the purpose of hiding something when you pay thousands of people to read it?

    2) How effective can any system that relies on human judgement be?

    3) What's to stop a small dedicated group of people from letting a few "un-authorized" pages slip through the cracks.
    • Its easier to trust 1,000,000,000 people in a surveilance system where 1,000 people are potentially corrupted but the 'good work' goes on.

      And don't forget you never know who is watching you but you KNOW some one is because you're doing the same thing to other randomly selected watchers.

      "Quid custodes ipso custodes? Omnia!"
      Who will watch the watchers? Everybody!

      They are putting 1 person in 1,000,000 at potential risk and they are minigating that risk by putting the same people on surveilance of each other

  • Cheap labor (Score:3, Funny)

    by mdifranco ( 574056 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:40PM (#12248044)
    I am sure they can get to Walmart.com

  • They may be censors, and against the individual (Score:3, Funny)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:40PM (#12248060) Journal
    But, General Tsao makes better chicken than Colonel Sanders.

  • Falun Gong (Score:5, Informative)

    by mldqj ( 779952 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:44PM (#12248104) Journal

    For those who don't know much about Falun Gong. Here is a link [time.com] to an interview with Li Hongzhi (the leader of Falun Gong) by Time in 1999 (just before Fa Lungong was banned in China). The following conversation on the 3rd page is particularly entertaining:

    TIME: Where do they(the aliens) come from?
    Li: The aliens come from other planets. The names that I use for these planets are different . Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind. Everyone knows that from the beginning until now, there has never been a development of culture like today. Although it has been several thousand years, it has never been like now.
    The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes. They started by teaching mankind about modern science, so people believe more and more science, and spiritually, they are controlled. Everyone thinks that scientists invent on their own when in fact their inspiration is manipulated by the aliens. In terms of culture and spirit, they already control man. Mankind cannot live without science.

    The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. Why does a corpse lie dead, even though it is the same as a living body? The difference is the soul, which is the life of the body. If people reproduce a human person, the gods in heaven will not give its body a human soul. The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.
    When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.

    TIME: Are you a human being?
    Li: You can think of me as a human being.

    TIME: Are you from earth?
    Li: I don't wish to talk about myself at a higher level. People wouldn't understand it.

    TIME: What are the aliens after?
    Li: The aliens use many methods to keep people from freeing themselves from manipulation. They make earthlings have wars and conflicts, and develop weapons using science, which makes mankind more dependent on advanced science and technology. In this way, the aliens will be able to introduce their stuff and make the preparations for replacing human beings. The military industry leads other industries such as computers and electronics.

    TIME: But what is the alien purpose?
    Li: The human body is the most perfect in the universe. It is the most perfect form. The aliens want the human body.

    TIME: What do aliens look like?
    Li: Some look similar to human beings. U.S. technology has already detected some aliens. The difference between aliens can be quite enormous.

    TIME: Can you describe it?
    Li: You don't want to have that kind of thought in your mind.

    TIME: Describe them anyway.
    Li: One type looks like a human, but has a nose that is made of bone. Others look like ghosts. At first they thought that I was trying to help them. Now they now that I am sweeping them away.,

    Obviously he was inspired by The Alien, Man In Black, Species, and Matrix.
    • There is also something call qigong deviation syndrome and qigong psychotic reaction which have been reported sometimes in conjunction with Falun Gong.

      Anything can cause harm if done or used improperly.

  • When will the Chinese goverment learn... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Fratz ( 630746 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:53PM (#12248227)
    that censorship isn't as effective as overwhelming the news media with misinformation and "talking points." In this age, overloading news bandwidth with your own world view works a lot better than trying to remove dissenting views.

    They really need a FOX News affiliate over there to convince them that up is really down...

  • I wish they'd just block port 25 outbound... blocking inbound connections to port 25 on my mailserver from Chinese address space caused a non-insignificant drop in the amount of spam I receive.
  • That would be a great way to get rid of them.

    "Play nice with the other children or POOF! No one will ever be able to visit your site again."

  • Sacred Cows (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Quirk ( 36086 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @03:17PM (#12248602) Homepage Journal
    US companies Cisco and Goggle were both named in a Washington Post article [washingtonpost.com] as being duplicious in aiding the Chinese governments efforts to censor the internet. Although it states the study [opennetinitiative.net] does not mention either company and both companies have denied aiding the Chinese government it still begs the question whether US companies, especially, Goggle, would put profit ahead of freedom of speech. It harks back to the business done between companies from both sides during WWII.
  • What frightens me is that all this filtering and only exposing their people to information that the government wants them to hear turns it's citizens into zombies. I have seen my dad go wanting china to leave Taiwan alone to thinking that china is good for Taiwan. This change in thinking happened after he bought a condo in shanghai and lived there for a good many months. It also bothers me that he claims that there is no Internet filtering going on at all. It's really creepy, two years ago my dad hated chin

  • China should stop censoring... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by rice_burners_suck ( 243660 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @03:29PM (#12248762)
    ...Chinese citizens seeking access to Web sites containing content related to Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, the Tiananmen Square incident, opposition political parties, or a variety of anti-Communist movements will frequently find themselves blocked...
    What about the thousands of Chinese officials who have to read all this stuff and then censor it? Who censors them? How do you know that they don't, deep down inside, feel that what they're doing is wrong, and therefore that they don't go and secretly disseminate censored information to their friends and colleagues? How do you know that the very people censoring the information aren't the very people involved in generating it? Look at all the problems created by censorship for an entire nation, especially one as big as China, with regards to physical size and population.

    It would be so much better if China wouldn't censor all this crap. Sure, their retarded Communist government will fall apart within a decade, but so what? A Republic that is based on human freedom is going to be so much better for the world, not only because individuals will enjoy more freedoms, but also because the Chinese currency will become subject to the same market forces as other currencies around the world, which will increase the Chinese standard of living to a significantly higher level than it currently is.

  • *POOF*

    (Somewhere in China)

    Nerd: "HEY Where did Slashdot go?"
    Official: "No such thing, No Slashdot! now come with me to slave labor prison work camp, where we make toxic toys for American children!"
  • Is there a one can try it out? It can be pretty intresting for someone living out of china to check what it is like.

    Some kind of chinese proxy maybe that follows the rules from the chinese goverment? :).

    P.S Yep, it is in our blood. If we're not oppressed, than we have to know what it is like.
    • OK, I'm currently using a proxy server inside China.
      IP 218.28.135.196:8080

      Tried others too, with following results:

      61.233.144.194:80
      www.freetibet.org works. Surprise.
      An attempt to access www.tibet.com (The Official Webpage of Tibet's Government in Exile). Result: connection reset. After this, a reset connection after attempting to connect _any_ page. Must be a temporary ban.

      202.103.252.86:3128
      More careful this time; attempt www.cnn.com first. It works.
      www.bbc.co.uk works, as does www.freetibet.org.
      www.ti

  • Heh (Score:2)

    by 4of12 ( 97621 )

    ...or a variety of anti-Communist movements

    You mean like the entire economic policy of the Chinese government for the last 15 years:)?

    The high pitched noise you hear is Marx is spinning in his grave because he heard how present day China represents the fulfillment of his vision for a workers' paradise:)

  • Just got back from Shanghai [siliconvalleynorth.com]. I noticed, rather tripped over, two forms of censorship. www.google.ca was rerouted to www.google.cn, and groklaw.net gave an infinite wait. I know that Groklaw wasn't down because using a Canadian proxy fixed the problem. Several tries over a week convinced me it wasn't a random fault.

    Weird that they would consider Groklaw subversive, given that Darl says it's a Pinko site.

  • L2TP In China (Score:2, Informative)

    by moogle10000 ( 874418 )
    *Opens Up L2TP Connection Back To The States*

    Okay... 100% Access Back Open Again

    Oops! Nooooooooooo They Blocked Port 1701!

  • Is Gmail POP access blocked in China? I know someone that's having trouble accessing Gmail through the POP server, and I'm wondering if it's just him, or if it's blocked there.

  • Funny wording.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) * on Saturday April 16, 2005 @12:23AM (#12252833)
    "China employs thousands officials and private citizens"

    Is there such a thing as a "private citizen" in the People's Republic?

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