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Chief of eBay's Indian Site Arrested, Released 347

Posted by timothy from the stupid-lucky-high-school-kids dept.
An anonymous reader writes "As reported, Avinash Bajaj, the CEO of Baazee.com, the Indian subsidiary of eBay, was arrested by the Indian police for distributing pornography. What really seems to have happened is that two high school students from Delhi Public School filmed themselves having oral sex, and this video was distributed through Delhi by email. Some time later, Ravi Raj Singh, a college student from IIT Delhi, offered his VCD of the 157-second clip for sale on Baazee. Avinash Bajaj has now been released on bail, but his U.S. passport is still impounded. AP report here." In reaction to the scandal, SoumyaRay writes, "the Indian government is planning a law based on the DMCA that would establish the responsibility of the corporation when dealing with copyrighted materials. The law 'would deal with four categories of functions by a service provider: transitory communications, system caching, storage of information on systems or networks and information location tools.' Does this differ in any major way with the DMCA? What is being overlooked and what is the potential for abuse? What would you propose?"
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  • +5 informative for the .torrent (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:16AM (#11156910)
    someone's gotta have it

    • Re:+5 informative for the .torrent (Score:5, Funny)

      by kaedemichi255 ( 834073 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:32AM (#11156968)
      why don't you check suprnova.org?
    • Just 117 seconds??
    • The clip might be 157 seconds long, but 130 of those are the musical numbers.
    • And I for one will metamoderate that +5 down as soon as possible.

      A 16 year old girl was filmed having sex without her consent. Thats tantamount to rape. Hell in much of the world (including many states here in the US) that is rape by definition. Its one thing to defend Bajaj, but to condone this is unacceptable.

      I know this post was meant to be a joke, but some things are not funny. Rape being one of them.

  • This is quite old (Score:5, Informative)

    by metlin ( 258108 ) * on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:16AM (#11156911) Journal
    Actually, India-GII - a mailing list/group of sorts which is a part of CPSR (Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility) has been discussing this for quite a while now.

    Check out this month's archive [cpsr.org].

    Particularly, see the threads MMS saga has unexpected consequences and Mahesh Murthy sends you Release the CEO of eBay India (Baazee) - a travesty of cyber-law and e-commerce Petition .

    People have been petitioning the release of Bajaj for a while, and this is going to have some very serious repurcussions, too.

  • My proposal (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ckwop ( 707653 ) * on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:17AM (#11156913) Homepage

    My proposal? Let people have their pornography. Sex is something for everyone and I really don't understand how cultures get so upset about it; after all, it is the most important human function.. our society is built on the foundations of sexual relationships. India may be a democracy but theres no point in democracy if you're no more free than you would be under a tyrant. Freedom is not the same as democracy.

    Simon.

    • Re:My proposal (Score:5, Insightful)

      by metlin ( 258108 ) * on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:20AM (#11156929) Journal
      Sex is all fine and dandy, but you're ignoring the fact that this is the video of a girl which has been publicized without her consent.

      While the arrest of Bajaj (the CEO) was wrong, I do not see why it was wrong on the part of the government to clamp down on the distribution of the video.

      She shared her intimate moments with someone she trusted, and the jerk betrayed her. This is less about sex and more about privacy.

      • Re:My proposal (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Baroova ( 722911 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:41AM (#11157417)
        My thoughts exactly. The public school has expelled the girl for something which she has not commited at the school site, nor has she misused the name of the school in any way. The school has in fact never educated any of its students on the do's and dont's of sex which gives it no right to judge the girl. The boy, on the other hand, deceived the girl. I have seen the video and it is evident from it that she was participating in it because it was private to the two of them. According to the news reports, when the girl broke up with the boy a few days later, the boy sold the video to his class mates and friends for a small fee to get even with the girl. The government has been active in addressing the issue in the most in appropiate way, arresting people for promoting pornography when this is a case of intrusion of privacy and trust, for which the boy should have been arrested as early as possible. But he was arrested only 4 days ago, almost 2 weeks after it all started! The govt. went overboard in arresting and lodging Bajaj in Tihar Jail, where only the hardened criminals are lodged. A heavy fine or a suspension of the site (www.baazee.com) for a few days would have been a more appropiate reaction.

        • Re:My proposal (Score:5, Insightful)

          by gunnk ( 463227 ) <gunnk@mail . f p g . u n c . edu> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @08:47AM (#11157694) Homepage
          A heavy fine or a suspension of the site (www.baazee.com) for a few days would have been a more appropiate reaction.

          I have to disagree with you on that last point. Baazee took down the auction as soon as they became aware of it. They did the right thing from the very beginning as far as I can tell. There was no intent on the part of Baazee to distribute pornography.

          Suppose one day someone slid some child pornography under your front door. Would you believe that you should be fined or arrested for possession of those materials? You certainly never planned on possessing those materials any more than Baazee planned on selling pornographic materials.

          In situations like this there has to be intent in order for their to be wrongdoing.

      • All very true, but shall we quash free speech on the hand of one Bozo with a vendetta?

        Here in the United States, divorces and/or breakups can get quite nasty. Do a meta search for a taste of the nastiness out there. If we outlawed everything people did in the name of "getting even" or the like, just about nothing would be legal anymore.

        Attempting to clamp down on the distribution of the video by holding corporations liable for the swell (swill?) of crap that happens under the radar screen of the interne

    • Re:My proposal (Score:5, Informative)

      by Suchetha ( 609968 ) <suchetha@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:39AM (#11156983) Homepage Journal
      india (and most of asia) is a dichotomy when it comes to sex. if you look at some of the south indian temples you;ll find LOTS of sex on the walls. si much so that the british flat out REFUSED to talk about the wonders you see there (i'm talking about the temples, not the sexual positions on their walls). that is why the northern states have more torist exposure than the southern (well the southern heat may have soemthing to do with it too)

      there are tales of temples where women who couldn't have children would spend the night and the god would come down to them and miraculously impregnate them (umm yeah.. god.. right..)

      i'm not even going to mention the kama sutra or the japanese and chinese pillow books.

      most asian cultures were sexually very liberal. we are talking bastardy, social recognition given to courtesans, the whole works.

      it is the western missionaries that brought sexual repression to the east. when the victorian missionaries showed up with their straitlaced attitudes, that was the end of the good times as far as most people were concerned.

      since then the cultures have been holding on to this prudery while AT THE SAME TIME screwing around.

      the east never had a sexual revolution like america did. its more of a gradual slide. and there are people who, like king canute, try to stem the tide by ordering it not to be.

      atb

      suchetha

      • Re:My proposal (Score:5, Interesting)

        by liangzai ( 837960 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:54AM (#11157022) Homepage
        it is the western missionaries that brought sexual repression to the east. when the victorian missionaries showed up with their straitlaced attitudes, that was the end of the good times as far as most people were concerned.

        Not so. China had liberal attitudes toward sex before and under Tang (581-617), but thereafter declined into more social control. It has nothing to do with Christianity or westerners. Chinese people have always been sexually open, just that it is taboo talking about it. The Chinese prudence is on the surface and on the surface only. The same goes for most of Asia. Japan, although very influenced by the West, is probably the most extreme country in the world when it comes to sex. Yet there is prudence also in Japan.

        The impact of Christianity in China is virtually none. This is fortunate.

      • Re:My proposal (Score:2, Interesting)

        by nish01 ( 842678 )
        actually the whole "brits oppressed indian openness towards sexuality" theory is junk.... if you look at Indian history - before the muslims came to india(as invaders from central/western asia) the society was very much sexually liberated. sexual liberation did not fit into the muslim religious frame work and once they become rulers the society slowly became more and more conservative. Things are a bit more complicated than that because people in the North (roughly) are desendents of aryans while the peop
        • ok. it wasn't just the brits and not just in india. most of my post is based on my home country, sri lanka, but i believe that india was influenced in much the same way.

          of course i grant that the brit influence was greater in .lk than in .in. but lets face it. wherever the missionaries landed, they took an open and sexually free society and left it a repressed wasteland. and then when/if the missionaries were kicked out, the locals continued the repression as "modesty and chastity are part of our culture."
    • I think you answer your own question here, think about it:

      "...I really don't understand how cultures get so upset about it..."
      followed almost imediatly by " it is the most important human function.. our society is built on the foundations of sexual relationships."

      I realize how easy it is to miss how contradictory those two segments are, so please don't think I'm beating up on you.
      Sexual attitudes and mores are hammered in from day one almost and NOT having some blind spots from your cultures ou
    • That's a huge over-simplification of a pretty complex moral debate.

      While I'm certainly not pro banning pornography, you have to bear in mind that like any form of media, it's going to exert some influence on its viewers.

      Take images of degradation or abuse - even if they're staged, their existance, and, the connection the mind forges between those images and the mass of happy-chemicals your mind produces is going to give you one hell of a Pavlovian response - I don't think that's under much debate. And onc
    • How much can you miss the mark?

      This isn't about the tape.

      It's about the mistreatment of a corporate executive due to activity that his company prohibits. The right to have sex falls somewhere behind personal freedom to travel, IMO.

    • Re:My proposal (Score:2, Informative)

      by roxtar ( 795844 )
      Well first of all it is legal to have pornographic material on your computer in India, but it is not legal to trade porn (irony). The tape in question, is being seen in India, as not any ordinary porn movie, but it has become more of a scandal (which ,IMO, has blown out of proportion). This is mainly because things like these don't happen in India everyday. Parents are now even worried about giving Cell phones with cameras to their kids (for those of you who didn't know the tape was shot with the help of a
    • That may be true in your society, but in many societies (and sub-divisions of societies) sex is a necessary "evil" to have kids. Pornography is looked down upon (in our Puritan US outlook porn is supposed to be downplayed, and sex not spoken of). Now while I do not agree with these notions (i am all about the pr0n and the s3x) I do understand that other societies have different morales and values and their beliefs are just as justifiable as mine (with rare exception) so let them choose to treat sexual con

  • Potential for abuse: (Score:4, Funny)

    by LMariachi ( 86077 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:18AM (#11156916) Journal
    What is being overlooked

    A link to the .torrent?

  • Insanity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bioanarchism ( 550560 ) <michael.feng@frro.net> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:19AM (#11156926) Homepage Journal
    This is utterly insane. Apparently the distribution of pornographic material doesn't constitute the rights for the authorities to arrest the CEO. Everyday auction sites around the world, not only Bazee, experience a new item submission every 5 minutes. In retrospect, how can anyone keep track of all incoming and outgoing items that registered users submit? This is totally absurd that the CEO is arrested based on this fact. Shouldn't the one who submitted the item be arrested instead? Or how about the people that appeared in the video? There is lawleness in these law.

    • Re: Insanity (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Alwin Henseler ( 640539 )
      From the summary: "the Indian government is planning a law based on the DMCA that would establish the responsibility of the corporation when dealing with copyrighted materials."

      The word "responsible" is what it boils down to here. One should determine guilt on "Who was responsible for it?".

      If you run a website, and you do maintenance personally, than you are responsible for putting content on the site. If I upload some kiddie porn to my site, then I did that, and I should be held responsible for that.

  • Even more... (Score:5, Funny)

    by EvilStein ( 414640 ) <spam@BALDWINpbp.net minus author> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:23AM (#11156941)
    Reuters story said that the girl was sent to Canada, and the guy was in deeeep trouble at home. Both of them were students at a private school, too.

    So this can only mean one thing - Hot Indian babes *do* put out!

    Can I outsource myself to India now? :D

  • Are they going to arrest (Score:5, Insightful)

    by halaloszto ( 703344 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:31AM (#11156961)
    The CEO of the Postal Service for distributing drugs and weapons.

    The CEOs of the Railway companis for transporting criminals.

    The managers of several hotels for hiding criminals.

    This is insane. vajk

    • Railways and Postal service are government owned in India...

      The point of this arrest is different. Someone (read high ranking police officer) called up this CEO and asked him to take the clip off the website. He apparently said "We'll do that on Monday, first thing". That pissed off the caller, who issued a warrant on this guy for Obstruction of Justice. The rest is in TFA ..

      Maybe it was malice , maybe it was just zeal ... But you won't find a hotel owner say the same if they get call about some crimin

    • According to the article he was arrested because he knew the video was there and did not have it removed.

      If the CEO of a railway company knew of a specific railcar being used to transport criminals and had the power to stop it but did not, he should be arrested on the spot.

  • When are the Indian going to call on Condi ? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by shri ( 17709 ) <shriramc@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:32AM (#11156963) Homepage

    Ms Rice is understood to have telephoned the US ambassador in India, David Mulford, about the case.

    The Bush administration's national security adviser and future secretary of state has let it be known she is furious at Mr Bajaj's humiliating treatment. He is, after all, a US citizen.


    Any Indians been put in jail recently because of the Patriot Act? Never mind ... not like the Indian govt would develop a new set of cojones.

    She's furious because of the eBay connection.

  • Let The FlameWar begin (Score:5, Informative)

    by tarunthegreat2 ( 761545 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:35AM (#11156975)
    1) The Police claim that Baazee.com did not take down the video clip, even after being notified of the complaint. This is why they arrested the CEO

    2) This not regular old porno. The girl involved in this did not give her conest to the release of the video - nor did she know she was being filmed

    3) Strict moral standards blah blah bullshit. It's just that in this particular case is publicised so the police had to act. The bottom line is, that these people got caught. Otherwise, sale of porno in India is rampant (but yes, it's illegal).

    Feel free to post a few comments here [blogspot.com]
    • >nor did she know she was being filmed

      Oh no, you're quite wrong there - she did know she was being filmed.

      In fact, it is said that in the clip itself, the guy asks her for an upskirt shot and she refuses.

      • And if she knew she was being filmed (which she did), she should realize that there is the potential that the film would be released to the world. Anybody that takes the time to film themselves (espcecially doing this), must understand the potential reprecussions of doing that .... look at the hollywood stars like Pam Anderson/Tommy Lee and Paris Hilton ... same thing happened to them ..
        • I agree with you, however how often do people think of consequences when they are 16 and horny? :)

          Firstly, the problem is that the guy distributed the video without her consent. Secondly, the video clip was found on eBay's subsidiary Bazee - but Bazee was not authorized to distribute pornographic material.

          So, it becomes a violation of privacy and unauthorized distribution of pornographic material.

          All in all, despite everything the real victim is the girl. Unfortunate, really.
        • I doubt she really considered the full implications of her actions.

          That's what the ban against underaged sex is for - the underaged are supposedly not as able to understand the many possible consequences of their actions (having a child is a long term responsibility).

          That said, most adults including me are not much better :).
    • 1) The Police claim that Baazee.com did not take down the video clip, even after being notified of the complaint. This is why they arrested the CEO

      The truth is that the video was put on baazee on a friday evening and had sold quite a few copies over the weekend before the next business day i.e monday.It was taken right away on monday after the CEO himself asked for its removal.I dont think its right to blame the CEO for this.

    • 2) This not regular old porno. The girl involved in this did not give her conest to the release of the video - nor did she know she was being filmed
      How the hell do you not know you're being filmed when the guy you're blowing is holding a cell-phone camera right up to you?

      As far as distribution consent, technically that's true. However after Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton tapes leaked out to everyone on the planet that wanted them should you really shouldn't be that surprised when it leaks.. especial

    • nor did she know she was being filmed

      I'm curious. Where does the film go in a phone/digital camera? All of you keep saying "film" or "filmed." What gives?

  • It's a travesty (Score:4, Informative)

    by manavendra ( 688020 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:42AM (#11156993) Homepage Journal
    The entire issue has been blown out of proportions I believe.
    What started off as a prank, teenage goofing, moment of madness - name what you like, was not only copied several times over, but also packaged and sold. So far, nothing out of the ordinary honestly. Such things have happened in the past elsewhere as well.
    What really got things going was the sale of the content via a website, I guess. The ease of content transmission, coupled with the fact that it was two students from a well-known (and reputed, if i may say so myself) which were on camera, was what fuelled the controversy big time.
    As has been the case with administration and police in India in the past, they appear to believe that the best means of solving a crime is to rake the muck and/or shoot in the dark, hoping something would give. Since they did not have the seller (or even his identity) initially, they resorted to the worst interpretation of the law - holding the owner of the website (www.bazee.com) responsible for the content!
    It's a travesty that the CEO had to spend time in one of the most notorious jails of India (the Tihar Jail [tiharprisons.nic.in]).

  • The law. (Score:3, Informative)

    by northcat ( 827059 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @04:48AM (#11157008) Journal
    Actully all of India's computer related activities are covered by a single 'IT act'. As you might imagine, it's quite primitive. It doesnt take into account automated sites like auction sites or forums. In a developed country lawmakers think about things like this in advance and make laws, but in a country where computer users form a small minority, laws are modified only after an incident like this. The law needs a serious overhaul. But the phrase "based on DMCA" is scaring me (I'm an Indian). I just hope they only take the non-abusive part of DMCA.
    • In a developed country lawmakers think about things like this in advance and make laws....

      Ahahaha, that's a good one! Tell me another one!

      Seriously, though, were you awake during the 80s and 90s? The developed countries did the exact same thing India is doing now, it's just that they have a longer experience with ubiquitous computing and got the obvious bits out of the way already.
    • When most think of the DMCA, they are usually too busy worrying about the illegalization of hacking into copyright controls that they forget that one of the main features of the law is that it limits liability of service providers over content distributed over it.
  • I'm still waiting for the day that people recognize that (1) what people do with a service is those people's business and (2) it's simply not feasible for service providers to check everything.

    Once we have settled that, perhaps we can just go back to the perfectly reasonable model where you just file a complaint with the service provider, which can then take appropriate action.

    Next up after the commercial break: AT&T director sentenced to 5 years jailtime because of indecent phone calls routed through
  • The arrested student (Ravi Raj) is from IIT-Kharagpur and not IIT-Delhi.

    The students (both minors legally) are from a school in Delhi.

  • What is the problem? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Peeteriz ( 821290 )
    Honestly, I can't see what the hassle is about?

    It's not like this is some kind of kiddy rape, these are consentual activities by young adults having fun.

    The girl, while punished by her parents, has accused the attackers of hypocrisy, saying "who doesn't do it? Don't you have sex?"

    In many countries they both would be considered not minors, as 16-17 years is a perfectly good age of consent, and they could get married against the will of parents, have sex without repercussions, etc.

    I understand that child

  • Sheesh... (Score:3, Funny)

    by TLLOTS ( 827806 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @05:17AM (#11157083)
    "...two high school students from Delhi Public School filmed themselves having oral sex..."

    "a college student from IIT Delhi, offered his VCD of the 157-second clip"

    157 seconds... sheesh, they really need to learn to take their time and enjoy it ;)
  • From the MSNBC coverage of this story:

    "Police say they arrested Bajaj because he violated India's Information Technology Act of 2000, which makes a criminal offense "publishing, transmitting, or causing to publish any information in electronic form, which is obscene."

    Followed by a quote from an Indian government official saying that they need to re-examine this law because they "don't want to send the wrong message to foreign investors"

    In other words, porn is big business and we surely don't want to scar
  • .... so even Slashdot is added to my list now.

    Let me tell you about a different issue arising out of the whole situation.

    The IIT student Ravi Raj is still not pronounced guilty! But still the Indian Hypocrite media did what they should never do. They published his name (Nobody knows the names of the guy and girl who had sex), his dad's name, his dad's profession and his home address in headlines! Now my narrow-minded Indian society won't let this guy or his family live easily. This guy even if pronounc

  • Here's why the eBay Indai CEO is in trouble (Score:4, Informative)

    by losttoy ( 558557 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:03AM (#11157192)
    Baazee's CEO is not being held for selling porn!! Nor is this about moral standards in India!!

    First, read the law. The IT Act 2000 says:
    Section 67
    ===========
    Publishing of information which is obscene in electronic form
    Whoever publishes or transmits or causes to be published in the electronic form, any material which is lascivious or appeals to the prurient interest or if its effect is such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstance, to read see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it, shall be punished on first conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to five years and with fine which may extend to one lakh rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years and also with fine which may extend to two lakh rupees.

    79. Network service providers not to be liable in certain cases
    For the removal of doubts, it is hereby declared that no person providing an service as a network service provider shall be liable under this Act, rules or regulations made thereunder for any third party information or data made available by him if he proves that the offence or contravention was committed without his knowledge or that he had exercised all due diligence to prevent the commission of such offence or contravention.
    Explanation.- For the purposes of this section,-
    (a) "network service provider" means an intermediary;
    (b) "third party information" means any information dealt with by a network service provider in his capacity as an intermediary;

    Baazee(eBay India) published the sale of the child pornographic material and benefitted from such sale by means of commissions earned. Since they benefit from the sale of the material they should be held liable for the material sold through them. Also, it unlike AT&T which does not intend to benefit from the usage of their service for illegal purposes. In this case, allegedly, Baazee did not remove the porn sale item even after being informed, thereby indicating that they had no qualms from benefitting from such sale.

  • weird indeed ! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by phreakv6 ( 760152 ) <phreakv6@nOSPAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @06:06AM (#11157199) Homepage
    It really dint make sense to me that they arrested the CEO of the company for this.For that matter those pictures was exchanged through mms last month,why dont u blame nokia CEO for making phones that enabled this sharing or even the Hutch/Airtel networks that enabled these gprs connections.
  • Does this differ in any major way with the DMCA? What is being overlooked and what is the potential for abuse? What would you propose?
    What is this, the essay question section of slashdot? I just got flashbacks to college.
  • the Indian government is planning a law based on the DMCA that would establish the responsibility of the corporation when dealing with copyrighted materials.

    Since when is a home video of students doing that stuff "copyright material"?

  • just how many pr0n producers seek copyright anyway (Score:3, Insightful)

    by museumpeace ( 735109 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @07:51AM (#11157448) Journal
    The art. confuses me: How would a DMCA-style law which spells out copyright obligations of ISPs, users, etc have any impact on porn?
    I don't see that DMCA has stemmed the tide of porn in the US. FAIK, the laws against porn in the US have an unintended consequence of reducing access and penalizing copying in ways that DMCA was supposed to provide for legit content and thus the ultimate beneficiary of the laws is the producers and scum-runners who don't have to compete with as much free copies of their "product" as do the musicians and legal movie industry.
    Have you seen a smut-peddler's equivalent of MPAA going to judges and slapping subpoena's on file sharers?...maybe they don't need to do that?
    • The point is that the DMCA limits the liability of a service provider for the content it provides (as long as it takes certain steps once notified of its content). In this context, the law would likely limit the legal liability for companies like Baazee for the content that is published under it.

      Its funny, for all the bitching people like to do with regard to the DMCA, very few people actually know what it says.

  • Good incident to keep in mind. They arrest the CEO of a company for something one of their customers did. Wow, it's not even that bad in the US!

    Yet.

  • I dont see a connection between 2 people filming their own personal porno and copyright issues?

    Did i miss something here, or is it just an excuse to get DMCA type laws enacted over there, with ( snowed ) public support..

  • that does not make sense (Score:4, Funny)

    by PMuse ( 320639 ) on Wednesday December 22, 2004 @11:28AM (#11159357)
    From one of the articles [indiatimes.com]: Explaining the rationale for such a law, a senior government official said, "In the MMS case the objectionable clip was put on the website by someone who had access to it and not necessarily the person behind it. It was an infringement of the copyright. Moreover, despite the incident becoming a public knowledge the clip was not removed."

    What a pathetic attempt to use a media event / scandal to promote something unrelated to it! No one in India or elsewhere is worried about copyright here. The boy certainly hasn't made a claim for lost revenues! Whoever the shill is who is claiming that the MMS incident justifies an Indian DMCA ought to be embarrassed to be selling this bunk. There really is only one thing to say to an argument like this:

    "Ladies and gentlemen this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee--an eight foot tall Wookiee--want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!


    "But more important, you have to ask yourself, what does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

    "Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense!

    And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room . . . does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."

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