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CBLDF Auction with Sim & Gaiman 72

Posted by Hemos from the supporting-good-works dept.
As most regular readers know, I/we are fans of the CBLDF and the EFF (Contribute to both!) The CBLDF is running a charity auction which is collaboration between Dave Sim of Cerebus fame and Neil Gaiman of Sandman amongst others. There's some good background online as well as the auction itself. The money raised will go to fighting censorship in the graphic arts. I'd also heartily recommend reading Neil's blog and taking Dave Sim up on his offer. His collected form letter are funny, thought provoking and great to read. Oh - and happy birthday, Neil.
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  • EFF (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LegendOfLink ( 574790 ) on Thursday November 11, 2004 @02:57PM (#10790383) Homepage
    Don't forget guys, these are the people who are fighting against the DMCA, the USA PATRIOT ACT, and any other civil liberty limiting crap legislation.

    Good job guys, we love ya all.

  • Bush reelection affects CBLDF? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 11, 2004 @03:04PM (#10790463)
    [shields: up] The DMCA came during Emperor Clinton's reign.
    • CBLDF's primary concern is censorship - I doubt the DMCA is at the top of the list of priorities. When it comes to censoring material of extreme themes, the nanny-state liberals and the fundamentalist concervatives bat pretty evenly nasty - although I think the fundy concervatives are a little worse, as they tend to want controversial materials banned altogether, while the liberals usually just want it out of the kids' reach.

    • In general, the Democrats are better buddies with Hollywood than the Republicans are (save Gov. Schwarzenegger of California), but in the face of a bill with heavy bipartisan support in Congress, the veto power of the President of the United States is merely ceremonial. President Clinton couldn't have stopped the DMCA, the Bono Act, or any other bill that passed both houses by voice vote, as it takes 81 percent of each house to pass a bill by voice vote but only 67 percent to override a presidential veto.

  • Strange bedfellows (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kallisti ( 20737 ) <rmidthun@yahoo.com> on Thursday November 11, 2004 @03:05PM (#10790475) Homepage
    Isn't Neil Gaiman a member of the Feminist-Homosexualist axis? [tcj.com]



    Note: This isn't off topic, really.

    • It just goes to show that opposites can band together to support a good cause. Dave and Neil, eh? It boggles my mind too though.
      • That was my first point too. And as much as Dave Sim complains about how his controversial opinions are always described alongside his accomplishments, he should keep in mind that his opinions are as unusual and noteworthy as his accomplishments.

    • Re:Strange bedfellows (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Jason Scott ( 18815 ) on Thursday November 11, 2004 @03:35PM (#10790784) Homepage
      Bravo.

      It is very, very difficult to read Dave Sim's work once you've read his Tangents essay. I read it a good while ago, and was, well....

      It's hard to define the feeling. It wasn't horror that someone thought along these lines; and it wasn't a feeling they shouldn't be said. I think the closest I could relate it to is like finding bugs in your morning cereal. What was previously an enjoyable experience is, for the short (and maybe long) term soured and ruined. Maybe you'll forget and heal, and maybe you just can't.

      The most problematic part of Tangents is that it is very in-depth and very long-winded about the thoughts being expressed, which means it specifically appeals to that part of the population who are into reading, which means that these good folks are the ones who will be slapped around for their efforts. I can't imagine anyone reading his Tangents essay and pumping their fist going "Yes! Yes! He finally makes it all clear for me!"

      For those whom intense reading of a long essay set is simply not in the forseeable future, here's an (admittedly coarse) summary of the essay [tcj.com].


      PRE-TANGENT: My female typesetter quit putting together this essay for my comic book. This is typical of chicks and an example of why feminism is a failure.

      TANGENT 1: While researching for my comic book, I interviewed a lot of women. There is no "there" there in them. They are, essentially, sub-human, emotional creatures. They do not think. Any positive qualities they show are what they're parroting from males. There has been a lot of gnashing of teeth by society to ignore this obvious fact, but a fact it is: women are, ultimately, parasites on males.

      TANGENT 2: The queers and the feminists are trying to shove acceptability of their false and wrong philosophies down society's throat. They are doing it everywhere, in laws, media, and even in the bible.

      TANGENT 3: Because of the false belief that women are human, a lot of very dumb laws are being passed, which treat children like adults and adults like children. This is going to cause a lot of problems for society and possibly ruin it for good. Children should be beaten when they're bad, and alimony comes from the idea that women can't survive on their own. Any variant from these statements are being caused by women imparting their illogical, brainless take on the world on males.

      TANGENT 4: Domestic Cats are filthy, horrible animals that should not be in a home. That they are there is because, at some point in history, women brought them into the house. Also, animal rights are stupid.

      TANGENT 5: The Civil Rights movement was hijacked by feminists, who then killed Martin Luther King, Jr. And now the feminists define civil rights.       ...

      It's perfectly OK to not believe this is what the essay says. Read the original source.

      They're bugs in my breakfast. I'm sure I'll be buying his books in the future. Just not the near future.

      • Re:Strange bedfellows (Score:1, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        I can't say I disagree with Tanget 4. Cats are pretty evil.
      • I was a BIG fan long ago, especially of his excellent work in "High Society" through "Church & State".

        But I stopped buying and even *reading* his books after I came across his shrill little misogynistic ravings back in "Reads". I refuse to give any more of my attention to anything produced by Sim's paranoid, emotionally-insecure, sexually-frustrated mind.

        But if you absolutely HAVE to read his stuff, do the world a favor and BORROW the books instead of buying them. Money will only encourage him to wri
        • Money will only encourage him to write more.

          So? I don't agree with him either (on most of that stuff anyway). But he certainly has the right to say whatever the hell he wants. It's not like the money goes to a secret organization which assasinates, ahem, 'feministist scum'.

          I'm currently in college. I read Tangents, and Cerebus up to #150 (end of Melmoth). I'm saving money for the rest. Has it occurred to you that males, up to the end of Church & State, were the greedy, thoughtless, megalomaniacal l
          • Dude, if you've only read up till Melmoth, it gets *much* crazier. You ain't seen *nothing* yet. By the time he gets to Latter Days the series, IMHO, is almost unreadable -- which is a shame, because I'm a real fan of the series, despite Sim's nuttiness.

            He contradicts a lot of his stuff. Jaka, for example, eventually turns into some mindless parody, completely destroying what she was up through Jaka's Story. I'm not trying to discourage you from reading the rest of the series -- I think it's worth seei

            • Yeah, that's what I heard :-) I'm not saying anything about the rest of Cerebus, I'm just saying that people shouldn't stop reading it because of fear that money thrown into it will encourage unorthodox opinions.

              Now if it is indeed crazy and unreadable, that's a perfectly valid reason to stop reading. I'm just gonna go ahead until I can't take it any longer.
              • You're going to love Mothers & Daughters. Particularly the first half, this was the best of his stories IMHO (and I was a huge fan of Church & State). Always love it when I see people have discovered Cerebus. Cheers!
                • Thanks :-) Not only have I discovered it, but I already 'converted' two of my friends.

                  I loved Jaka's Story and Melmoth, and thought the whole of Church & State was fantastic. I can't wait to buy 'Flight', issue 150 is such an evil cliffhanger :-)
          • So? I don't agree with him either (on most of that stuff anyway). But he certainly has the right to say whatever the hell he wants.

            I certainly agree. That's why I would never support censoring him. I didn't even say that people should avoid his work. Merely that there's a simple, legal way for people to read "Cerebus" without actually giving money to the author of "Tangents".

      • Re:Strange bedfellows (Score:3, Interesting)

        by lawpoop ( 604919 )
        "There has been a lot of gnashing of teeth by society to ignore this obvious fact, but a fact it is: women are, ultimately, parasites on males.

        I think it's quite the other way round. Males clearly parasite the female species.

      • I thought you must be exaggerating his positions for effect, so I read the first two Tangent essays, and if anything, you toned them down.

        Wow. Sims has a really, shall we say, "vivid" world view. (and by "vivid" I mean he's a misogynistic misanthrope of the first order)

      • Andy Rilstone says... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Grendel Drago ( 41496 ) on Thursday November 11, 2004 @08:18PM (#10793910) Homepage
        Andrew Rilstone [demon.co.uk], who's a hell of a lot smarter than me, wrote a number of essays about this, which are frickin' brilliant.

        Cerebus the Aardvark: An Obituary [demon.co.uk]
        Cerebus the Aardvark: An Obituary (2) [demon.co.uk]
        Is Dave Sim Mad? [demon.co.uk]
        Is Dave Sim Mad? (Update) [demon.co.uk]
        Does Dave Sim Have Occasional Moments of Lucidity? [demon.co.uk]

        The first one, I think, says what you mean by bugs in your breakfast: The text piece in Cerebus # 226 made me feel physically unwell; made me feel as if I'd been kicked in the stomach; actually spoiled my whole afternoon. When the drunken John Lennon beat up a waitress, she is reported as having said 'What really hurts is finding out that your idol is a complete asshole.'

        I haven't reached the part of the series when Sim goes mad yet. I suppose it'll be... enlightening. (I finished "Jaka's Story" recently, and am scouting for "Melmoth".)

        --grendel drago
      • I've read Cerebus the Aardvark up until Church and State 2 (the fourth bound volume) and I have to say, those summaries of the tangents actually manage to sound very much like they were written by Cerebus while he was Prime Minister or Pope.

        Well done
      • WOW

        I started reading some of his tangent crap. That guy is so far right-wing wacko religious fundamentalist bigoted xenophobic psycho that he went off the right side of the map and through some bizarro mirror universe wormhole and came out in suport of gay marriage.

        Not because he supports equal rights for gays, but because he sees the entire concept of marriage itself as some sort of anti-God crap foisted on mankind ("mankind" as opposed to humankind). He sees women as nothing more than his private sper

    • Sims is a weird one. He demonizes woman as unproductive and emotional, yet Cerebus (especially early on) is filled with powerful and rational women. The Cirinist (matriarchal) nation may be frightening, but it's powerful, growing, and holds a self-consistent (if scary) belief system. His essays in Reads [theabsolute.net] and the later in Tangents [tcj.com] depict someone completely divorced from reality, someone you cannot rationally debate. His letters responding to people asking for free comics he offered [richardmooreart.com] are well writte, witty

  • Fill his PO Box!

    He could be the first person to be physically slashdotted.
  • I have to throw this out there:

    Gaiman is an amazing author. For those of you who only know him for Sandman, you are missing out. I urge you, nay, command you to read Stardust, Neverwhere, and American Gods. Those books are, flat out, fucking amazing. Go. Now. Read.

    That is all.

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