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Wired on Defeating the Olympics Censorship 417

An anonymous reader writes "As discussed on Slashdot recently, Internet footage of Olympics events are being censored for US citizens. Wired.com is covering the issue in a recent story, discussing ways of defeating these measures. Duane Wessels, developer of the Squid caching proxy, and Len Sassaman, Mixmaster anonymity software author, are interviewed. Are they correct? Is geolocation content censorship impossible?"
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Wired on Defeating the Olympics Censorship

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  • FP (Score:2, Informative)

    by mkosmul ( 673296 )
    Anyone with shell access to a server abroad can just SSH to a machine located outside of US and start their browser from there.
    • Re:FP (Score:3, Informative)

      by Kingsly ( 565272 )
      This would be more efficient...

      ssh -D 1080 user@remote.host.elsewhere

      and set your SOCKS proxy to localhost:1080
  • Much Ado Over ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:31AM (#9973434)
    ... Corporate Control.

    The "Olympics" (tm) is Globalization defined. Duh. Who wants to watch that?

    • You just got on my friends list.
    • by Zeinfeld ( 263942 )
      The "Olympics" (tm) is Globalization defined. Duh. Who wants to watch that?

      The NBC coverage would appear to be the exact opposite, trite jingoistic nationalism interspersed with occasional glimpses of actual events.

      They seem to be slightly better this time round than last when there would be like 40 minutes of comentary and 15 minutes of ads every hour. But even so you know that NBC is not going to show any event unless the US has won.

      Case in point NBC keep showing arial shots of a curiously complet

      • by Ignignot ( 782335 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:37AM (#9973970) Journal
        BTW did you know that the olympic torch relay was actually thought up by the NAZIs for their Olympics?

        Yes and Wagner (composer of flight of the valkyries) was an anti-semite. Does that mean that we shouldn't listen to it? Does the olympic torch coming from Nazis mean we shouldn't do it? Personally I'm kinda pissed that Hitler ruined a perfectly good moustache - but I guess with all the bad stuff he did throwing that on there won't make much of a difference.

        I don't think the "showing only events the US has won" deserves a response, but I'll give one anyway. The events that NBC shows are the ones that US citizens are interested in, and because they are interested in them, it is more likely that a US athelete will participate. Do you think the US is going to win the women's diving events? Almost certainly not, but we still watch it.

        It takes a special kind of person to deride an international event based on the ideals of self improvement, national pride, and respect for other countries.
        • Re:Much Ado Over ... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Gallowglass ( 22346 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @01:35PM (#9974664)
          You wrote:

          "It takes a special kind of person to deride an international event based on the ideals of self improvement, national pride, and respect for other countries."

          I believe the parent post was primarily about the coverage by the American TV corporations. The bit about the torch was an aside. (And I agree with your opinion on that.)

          The problem with showing only events where The Glorious US wins is that it panders to a rather degoutant idea: that America Rules All.

          Nor is Olympic coverage the only example of this refusal to let Americans see that any other nation might be an equal. American movies are notorious for changing history so that The Heroic Americans Rescue the World (All By Themselves.)

          From a review of the movie "U-571" [smh-hq.org] by Dr. Timothy P. Mulligan, archivist at the National Archives and Records Administration, specializing in captured German and related World War II records:

          That Mostow
          (director) falls so short in historical accuracy is not entirely his fault. In choosing a naval topic that conforms to Hollywood war film conventions, he is obligated to depict a handful of Americans battling overwhelming odds but inevitably victorious against a cruel, implacable yet flawed enemy. The real elements that fashioned victory close cooperation among the Allies, and the systematic development of their combined human and natural resources to produce an irresistible material and technological superiority do not translate well in cinematic terms, and more importantly do not reflect American popular culture's archetypes and self-images. [my emphasis] In replicating these conventions and populating his crew with familiar stereotypes (e.g., the young officer too close to his men, the salty chief petty officer who educates his superior), U-571 has achieved success, reigning for two weeks as the No. 1 film in the United States.

          This paradoxical blend of bad history and mass appeal may concern today's historical profession, but future historians may well be indebted to Mostow for his snapshot of American values and attitudes toward World War II at the turn of the millennium. If not, they will at least be in his debt for a good laugh and a renewed appreciation of Das Boot.

          I don't slag this meme becuase it doesn't give others proper credit. That's a moral question, and I'm always rather queasy about imposing my morality on ohters. However, is it an ethical position? Does it give proper credits to people you call friends and allies? Do you expect them to love and admire you when you slight them thus?

          This attitude, I would also argue, is septic in that it deludes the American population into thinking that they are omnipotent, and that no one could ever be better or stronger or more clever than an American.

          The ancient Greeks called this hubris, and they said that the gods punish it.

        • The question is whether you expect to see news coverage or cheerleading. If the former, then how closely the coverage reflects the truth is a valid criterion for judgement.

          As for the Olympic ideals, let me just point out that Taiwan - which formally calls itself as the Republic of China - is forced to participate in the Games as "Chinese Taipei" and cannot use its own flag. So don't be stupid. The Olympics are every bit as political as everything else international.

      • Re:Much Ado Over ... (Score:4, Informative)

        by Anonymous Cowtard ( 573891 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @12:05PM (#9974113)
        You know... I've yet to actually watch an event that I've seen the US win. Hell, I'm sitting here watching Women's weightlifting and there's not a US person in sight. Last night I watched quite a bit of men's gymnastics, which focused on the Romanian, Chinese and Japanes teams. Probably saw just a couple of minutes of the US team. But you just sit there not watching the covergage while deriding it for something that's not happening to the extent your preconceptions belive it would be.
      • by cwaldrip ( 216578 )
        First - the copy of the Parthenon you're referring to is in Nashville, Tennessee, for the state's centennial in 1895. And they didn't build it on a lark. Nashville was called the Athens of the West for several decades before the Grand Ole' Opery poped up due to the city's dedication to classical forms of education (emphasis on the Greek, Latin, Philosophy, etc).

        The building is a historically and archeologically accurate reconstruction of the actual Parthenon in Athens, which was massively damaged, in the l
  • No thanks (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DreadPiratePizz ( 803402 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:32AM (#9973437)
    I doubt the majority of people either have a machine overseas, or know how to SSH to one. I also doubt they want to watch the games on their computer.
    • Re:No thanks (Score:5, Insightful)

      by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:32AM (#9973658) Journal
      I doubt the majority of people either have a machine overseas

      You don't need to have a machine... just access to one. Free shell providers are a good source for SSH accounts, if you can find one not in the US.

      Besides, you don't necessarily need SSH access, just a couple fast proxies, and there are plenty of machines with those.

      or know how to SSH to one.

      Most people don't know anything until somebody tells them. When somebody writes a "How-to Watch the Olypics" document, they'll be quite able to download Putty, click on the menus, and type in the numbers, verbatim.

      I also doubt they want to watch the games on their computer.

      The stupidity is overwhelming! Look, the story is not about everyone in the country being forced to watch the olympics via their computer... It's about those that already WANT to watch it online. There's a hell of a lot of broadcasters spending a hell of a lot of money, effort, and bandwidth to provide these internet streams that you're certain nobody wants to watch.

      Besides, there's always the PVR angle. Anything you can play on your computer, you can output to your TV. Even if you don't want to hook up your computer to your TV, maybe you would just like to record this stuff, and perhaps even burn it to DVD, or whatnot.

      Personally, I like the idea just because announcers, who don't ever shut up, are incredibly annoying.
    • I think allot of people don't know what a 'TV out' is then.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Sure i do! Its when someone tells everyone your latest widescreen is actually gay.
  • by xutopia ( 469129 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:34AM (#9973446) Homepage
    Up north of you the Olympics are on public TV, down south of you is the same thing. Wait a second only in the US is this known of. Now isn't it sad to see that people are all up in arms because the Olympics aren't coming through but don't give a damn when it's news you're not getting? I guess what they don't know doesn't hurt them.
    • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:53AM (#9973514)
      Can you just think how boring the coverage would be if the USA sent PBS as our national TV representives at the games? Since what NBC is doing is being made available to other nations' media outlets through a content sharing relationship, a lower quality USA feed would effect a lot of smaller nations' TV outlets.

      NBC plays a big role in the internal "world feeds" that those smaller networks need in order to do anything at all.
      • by bubbaprog ( 783125 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:48AM (#9973705)
        I watched almost the entire 2000 Olympics on CBC, a network provided on our basic cable in southeast Michigan, where I lived then. The coverage was far more exciting and complete than NBC's, and not only because the CBC showed all the events live, as they happened, and NBC showed every event on tape-delay. CBC's announcers and approach to covering the Olympics (none of those stupidass human interest stories, more actual SPORTS) are simply superior to NBC's, and if I hadn't just moved here to Florida, I'd have my Canadian TV satellite dish up so I could be watching live Olympic coverage right now instead of sitting through Meet The Press.
        • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:01AM (#9973747)
          I suggest you avoid NBC's main network coverage and watch the highlights of those "major events" on SportsCenter or some other outlet. Instead, watch some of NBC's other feeds like USA or MSNBC where they have more airtime to fill and therefore stick to the events.

          Although I haven't seen it myself yet, I expect that the digital version of NBC's coverage to be very close to the style you're looking for. See, NBC-HD can only cover the events that the world feed has selected for HD coverage, and to make it to a 24/7 show it will have to repeat itself. The best coverage from a geek point of view, not surpriingly, is going to be the one that you must be a geek who has bought uncommon gadgets to see.
      • by Zeinfeld ( 263942 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:02AM (#9973751) Homepage
        Can you just think how boring the coverage would be if the USA sent PBS as our national TV representives at the games?

        Yes, they would do what they always do and get the feed from the BBC.

        Since what NBC is doing is being made available to other nations' media outlets through a content sharing relationship, a lower quality USA feed would effect a lot of smaller nations' TV outlets.

        You mean that they would see more than the US competitor out in 6th place?

        • The "world feed" is comprised of the best available shot of the race at the moment as judged by a hopefully unbiased director who is accountable to all of the networks using that feed.

          As a result, all of the countries who have a major compeitor in the event send a crew focused on their competitors. The world feed is then able to pick and choose... NBC's camera 3 or CBC's camera 2 or BBC's camera 5 are at his disposal, but he doesn't have a direct ability to give an order to any of the camera operators, he
    • xutopia wrote: "Now isn't it sad to see that people are all up in arms because the Olympics aren't coming through but don't give a damn when it's news you're not getting? I guess what they don't know doesn't hurt them."

      There's a kernel of truth to this -- there are many people who care more about the Olympics than about sports. But the main reason it appears this way at the moment is that the poor Olympics coverage is news, while the poor coverage of world events (in the US) is something that's been going
  • by tezza ( 539307 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:34AM (#9973447)
    Just make sure there is an American English version and an English English title.

    OlympicsInColor.com would be for the American viewers and OlympicsInColour.co.uk would be the unfettered site. Simple, cheap, well, perhaps not effective in any way, but worth a shot.

    Security thorugh obscurity is always the best, no matter what those GnuPG [gnupg.org] people tell you. After all the biggest software company [microsoft.com] in the world is a strong advocate of this.

    • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:49AM (#9973503)
      Only NBC would be able to put streaming video games coverage on the Internet for USA consumption, only the CBC can do it for Canada, etc.

      Just like sports leagues who try to limit distribution of their games to their local marketplace by teams, the Olympic carves the world's broadcast rights up by territory too. They just have larger zones to play with.
  • by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:37AM (#9973455) Journal
    Never mind about that, what about this!!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/35 65616.st m

    The Olympics have officially sold out (probably years ago but hey) you are not allowed into watch any of the games if you are wearing clothing thats clearly showing logos of a non-sponsering company. All non-sponsership adverts were pulled from bill-boards for miles around the grounds and you arnt allowed to eat anything other than mcdonalds or drink any water (consider the heat) thats not official Olympic water (read overpriced water).

    Couldnt care less about the Olympics its nothing more than an advertising platform or a test-ground for new drugs. But damn its making someone a shit load of cash and i wanna be that someone..
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Juan Antonio Samaranch is a Fascist [geocities.com]. Cohort of Franco and all...

      IIRC, he resigned a while ago, but he sure set the tone for the whole damn Olympics.

    • **Couldnt care less about the Olympics its nothing more than an advertising platform or a test-ground for new drugs.** ..and you know some high profile sports that isn't "just an advertising platform" and "test ground for new stuff"?

      • Ahhh, im starting to see the light now. So the absolute only point to all sports is for advertisers to make money out of people that are sucked in?

        Hmmmm... evil thoughts.. i wonder if the same could work for online games? Gandalf, do you wish to buy a +10 coke? i mean cloak...

    • This is just like an amusement park that allows no food to go through the entry gates (which you have to pay $25 to walk through in the first place) while charging $4.95 for 32 ounces of cola in a "collector's cup".

      When you control a place or an event, you control it. If people want to pay less than your price, they can, but they have to leave the event to go do that, consume the product, and then come back and possibly pay for the re-entry right. It's not exactly fair, but it's just the way the system wor
      • This is just like an amusement park that allows no food to go through the entry gates (which you have to pay $25 to walk through in the first place) while charging $4.95 for 32 ounces of cola in a "collector's cup".

        Yes, it is. Once upon a time the olympics were aimed at being something other than that. It didn't last long, but it's always sad to hear further examples.
        • by avdp ( 22065 ) * on Sunday August 15, 2004 @02:22PM (#9974941)
          But then again, once upon a time the Olympics didn't cost 6 billion dollars to organize either. It's a sad reality, but keeping sponsors happy is the only thing that makes such an event possible nowadays.

          6 billion dollars is a lot of money in any country. But it's especially a lot in a country of 10 million inhabitants.
    • Wow, interesting. My favorite line in the article:

      Industry experts say it is the purity of the Olympic name that makes it so attractive a target.

      It won't be if the sponsors keep that up! Actually, we're probably already past that point.

      Of course, any sporting event is clogged with advertisements these days, and it can be a real turn off. I was at an AHL (minor league, essentially) ice hockey game a year or two ago, and there were advertisements everywhere. Even the power plays, which have been a p

  • by two-tail ( 803696 )
    Even if you use a broadband or other high-speed connection, I wonder how much bandwidth you could get through the overseas connection that would be required to view a European stream.

    Bandwidth may certainly be getting cheaper, but with a ping to an overseas IP takes over 100 ms, you'd better hope that everything arrives in order or else you'll suffer from too many dropped frames as packets get lost (especially as more people from the US try to get into the same relays online).

    Besides, are the Olympics goi
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:38AM (#9973461)
    " By contrast, those online in the United Kingdom can watch live simulcast coverage from BBC TV's five video streams."


    We the british public fund the BBC through our licence fee, it is because of this fee that we have impartial, and world wide recognised excelelnt broadcasts from the BBC.


    This is not just restricted to BBC1 and BBC2 but also their digital chanels, where there 4 extra streams are being broadcast as well


    I do feel bad for the American public have to put up with commercial crap during the games, but getting round the proxies is unfair on the BBC who are probably working hard on blocking non UK IP numbers.

  • by michaelmalak ( 91262 ) <michael@michaelmalak.com> on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:38AM (#9973462) Homepage
    After that, it was the U.S. boycott of 1980, then the Russia boycott of 1984. From 1988 on, it's been all commercials and tape delays.
  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:38AM (#9973465) Homepage Journal
    yes.

    but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work for the tv networks purposes(which is why these clausees that make bbc & etc limit the feeds only to their areas). their purpose is just to make it hard enough that the average customer will wait for the time delayed showing in the states rather than go on and somehow proxy it.

  • by MancDiceman ( 776332 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:41AM (#9973471)
    There is a difference between a brutal, corrupt and oppresive force preventing the masses from knowing what their government are really up to, in order to prevent a revolution (censorship, a la China, North Korea, Fox News) and a broadcaster not being prepared to pay for the rights to Internet broadcast of somebody's legitimately owned IPR.

    Grow up. This is not censorship. It's licensing. Confusing the two makes you look stupid, your arguments weak, and provides ammunition to those whom you may have a legitiamte gripe with regarding IPR whilst reducing the travesty of true censorship to something akin to you not being able to watch some TV.

    I'm actually pretty disgusted that you've used the word censorship like this. This will get modded down as trolling, but I really think you guys need to get things into perspective. I feel sick.
    • Mod parent up! I was going to post nearly the EXACT same thing. Censorship is COMPLETELY different than what's going on at the olympics.

      Slashdot, News for Nerds, and baseless zealotry.
    • by Spruitje ( 15331 ) <ansonr.spruitje@org> on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:07AM (#9973560) Homepage

      There is a difference between a brutal, corrupt and oppresive force preventing the masses from knowing what their government are really up to, in order to prevent a revolution (censorship, a la China, North Korea, Fox News) and a broadcaster not being prepared to pay for the rights to Internet broadcast of somebody's legitimately owned IPR.


      You forgot one country in this list.
      The United States of America.
      Sorry to put it that way, but I think that coverage of the second gulf war in Europe was a lot better.
      First, we had pictures from non-embedded media.
      Second, we don't suffer from hidden censorship like they have in the US.
      If you want accurate information try to get a sattelite receiver with a large dish and even in most parts of the US you would be able to receive BBC world and some other news stations.
      With less biased information.
      (guess why the whitehouse don't invite BBC reporters anymore (-; )
      • And as I recall I had complete access to those news sites from the US, and visited them often.

        Kinda makes your censorship argument a little weaker, doesn't it.....it doesn't make it go away, but it does make it weaker.
        • by Nf1nk ( 443791 ) <nf1nk.yahoo@com> on Sunday August 15, 2004 @12:14PM (#9974146) Homepage
          You had access but you had to work to get it. This is what makes the US censorship so nasty. The truth is still out there just slightly out of sight for the proles. If the Proles don't see it on Faux news it didn't happen, If ABC/NBC/CBS don't drag out the bodies they didn't die. 50,000 is just a number without pictures of the corpses. And never mind the the Liars and election issues, did a lyin' cheatin' husband in Cali' kill his sainted Pregnant wife?
    • by DrWho520 ( 655973 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:10AM (#9973574) Journal
      The NBC has a government supported monopoly over Olympic Broadcast in the US. They face no competition at this point because they won a bidding war, or someone got a little cashola. There are other venues that are providing superior online Olympic Coverage. As a US citizen (not saying only US citizens can do this), I am used to shopping for the best product in a free market enconomy (although patent law is slowly erroding the variety of that market.) I have no choice in this matter.

      Why do I say government supported monopoly? I am sure there is some obscure law somewhere that makes it illegal, although it is a little incovenient and impratcical, to tap into the British only BBC streams. They will not be using government funds, just government muscle.

      What can you do about this? Well, if you live in the US, just boycott the NBC broadcasts completely. If a product is bad, do not use it. Everybody in the US complains about problems and issues and erroding rights, but no one does anything about it. If NBCs ratings are bad, then they get a clear message that something is wrong.

      Of course, if they see their online ratings are bad, they will just paint it as no one wanting to see online coverage, as opposed to no one wanting to watch their spotty, incomplete, pleebian coverage. Peel back the paint.
    • by mgs1000 ( 583340 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:11AM (#9973581) Journal
      If you want to read about real censorship at the Olympics, here you go. [ucla.edu]
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Just because it's called licensing doesn't make it not censeorship!

      "IPR" (bleurgh) IS censorship, all nice and legal. Fundamentally, it is an imposed law telling me that I MAY NOT PASS ON INFORMATION.

      IT IS CENSORSHIP. Copyright and Patent are stealth fascism.

      I'm sorry that you don't see that. But it's time for the free world to stop pandering to those who would presume to restrict our right to communicate.

      There should be a "doctrine of first communication" that says that once you transmit information t
      • by whorfin ( 686885 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:38AM (#9973973)
        You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
        Fascism [wikipedia.org]
      • no (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Trepidity ( 597 )
        In your "information wants to be free" world, the word "censorship" might be redefined to mean "any restrictions on passing on information", but out here in the real world, that's not what it means. Censorship is preventing you from saying something because of its content. If you're thrown in jail for criticizing President Bush, that's censorshp. That is not what's happening here.

        Here the Olympic Committee is saying that, in the US, only NBC, who paid them a lot of money, is allowed to show their compet
    • This will get modded down as trolling, but I really think you guys need to get things into perspective.

      I wish I had some mod points, so that I could fulfill your expectations.

      Repeat after me:

      I am not a conformist.
      I am not a beautiful and unique snowflake.
      I will think for myself.

    • Capitalism works best when many suppliers exist. The many suppliers compete based on price and features. This "licensing" creates an artificial monopoly, and creates barriers preventing other companies from offering similar products.

      In a free market, any network that wanted (after paying a fee) could show the Olympics. The networks would be competing for viewership, and thus would have to pay attention to what people wanted to see.

      I'm not going to say it's censorship, because censorship is done by governm
      • by Abcd1234 ( 188840 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:35AM (#9973953) Homepage
        because censorship is done by governments

        Actually, that's an incredibly narrow view point to hold (and a dangerous one, IMHO). Censorship can be performed by any entity which has control over lines of communication. This could be the government, or it could be a giant media conglomerate. After all, what happens when the giant media conglomerate is in cahoots with the government and chooses to "select" only content that's favourable to the incumbants? I'd call that censorship...

        OTOH, what's happening with the Olympics is most definitely *not* censorship, and the submitter should be severely chastised for invoking that word in this situation, as it simply serves to further confuse people regarding what does and doesn't qualify as censorship (an incredibly important issue in this day and age).
        • You missed my point.
          http://www.imuna.org/manual/app_a.html#C [imuna.org] defines censorship as "broadly, any government restrictions on speech or writing; more precisely, government restrictions on forms of expression before they are disseminated".

          Regardless of how "accurate" this definition may seem to you, a lot of people think of censorship in this way. The parent to my post was thinking this way. It is precisely because this kind of thinking is dangerous that I (half-sarcastically) suggested we develop a new word
    • Grow up. This is not censorship. It's licensing. Confusing the two makes you look stupid...

      Technically you're right, of course, but I think that the bad feelings over it stem from a confusion that the sponsors promote quite deliberately. I.e., that of the Olympics as a kind of "world event," the myth of which transcends the sponsored show that they're really putting on. They pay to sponsor it not only to buy eyeballs for their advertising, but also (and maybe more so) to drape themselves in the myth. Seen

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:42AM (#9973478)
    Tossing around a word like "censorship" when it really does not apply only dilutes the term and renders it ineffective when you really do mean to use it.
    • I know! I was excited to read an article on the office, power, or term of the office of a censor of Rome, and here I am reading some silly thing about copyright.

      But seriously, censorship is just the removal of anything objectionable. It is objectionable to NBC and the Olympic committee for U.S. citizens to watch streaming video over the BBC, so the BBC censors it from them. Don't be mad because the article uses a different, yet correct, use of censorship than you're used to. Censorship doesn't have to
  • by netsharc ( 195805 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:43AM (#9973484)
    I was watching the Opening Ceremony, it was a great show, until they started this a tribute to Eros, the god of Love, with a pair playing in the water, and they kissed! Oh my Zeus, they kissed each other, won't someone think of the children, we need a special senate session, call the FCC and tell them to bomb Greece!!! This shameless moral corruption must not go unpunished!
  • It's just not very practical.
    I mean, it's tough enough for Joe Sixpack to use teh intarweb, so adding an extra layer of proxies and SSH port forwarding mechanisms, just to watch the Olympics is waaay too much work. Paying the Corporate Tax is more feasible.
    It may catch on with the tech crowd. However, someone has to pay for the bandwidth, and I can't imagine it being reliable, so...

    You want to end this "We bought exclusive rights for North America" crap?
    Do it the ole fashioned way - fight through cong

  • Peercast (Score:5, Informative)

    by Per Wigren ( 5315 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:44AM (#9973489) Homepage
    Maybe this is a good way to promote P2P broadcasting?
    PeerCast [peercast.org] is an Open Source (not sure about the license but the sourcecode is available using Subversion) P2P broadcasting system which works great! I've not tried broadcasting/viewing videostreams, just listened to radiostations, but it has support for MP3, OGG Vorbis, Theora, WMA, WMV and NSV streams.
    Very easy to install and use, it's just a single executable!

    You just point it to a streaming source (for example your own IceCast server, a WMV stream which you have access to or your favourite internet radiostation) and the stream is available on the PeerCast network for everybody to listen to or watch, just pointing your favourite player to a http://localhost-URL.
  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:44AM (#9973491)
    NBC is airing full coverage every Olympic game somewhere here in the USA. Every hour during the day right now, there is coverage on at least one of the NBC-Universal networks which include NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo, USA and Telemundo. Also, in areas where digital TV service is fully functional, NBC is providing a 24/7 HD feed, but that is only available to you if you have a digital TV decoder.

    You don't need to pay NBC to get the digital service, but you do need to provide the hardware to get access to it, and you have to hope that your local station has done the same. DirecTV is also offering the digital feed on their service, but you must have an HD decoder for DirecTV and your local NBC station or stations must have signed off.

    Censorship is the intentional destruction of information in order to kill off a taboo topic. That's not what's going on here, NBC is simply letting its business need to sell ad content affect in what ways they're distributing coverage. And part of that means that no Internet coverage from other nation's rightsholders can be tolerated.

    If you're not NBC but ESPN, you must comply with NBC's rules and limits on the usage of the TV coverage to put highlights on SportsCenter. In fact, even if you're the sports reporter on an NBC affiliate station, you have to agree to those rules or not use them.

    Sports highlights are not free. There are strings attached to their usage usually dictated by the league who wants the right mix of promotion of their sport while also not giving away the store when it comes to their TV rights money.
    • Only sabre fencing is being shown on US TV, to the exclusion of foil and epee.

      The reason for this is that the strongest US medal contenders in fencing are sabre fencers.

      This is great for people who want to paint their face with the stars and stripes and chant USA USA, but not very good for fencers (who, I think, this is sort of geared toward.)
  • LOL........I didn't even know the olympics had started, until I read something about it on the web. I quit watching ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN,PBS years ago.
  • Difficult? No way! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Psychic Burrito ( 611532 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @09:55AM (#9973518)
    It's not as difficult as described in the article: Since I couldn't see the TV broadcast of the opening ceremony live, I recorded it and my recorder missed the ending. So I went to everybody's favorite bittorrent source (you know which one) and downloaded the whole ceremony in a few hours. According to the stats, some 1000 people did the same thus far. Difficult? No way!
  • by rtphokie ( 518490 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:03AM (#9973544)
    the best way to make NBC understand that they their coverage style isn't appreciated is to tell them:

    nbcolympicsfeedback@nbcuni.com [mailto]

    They've got the monopoly so they will get the ratings regardless so the message to send them is that you'd love to watch more but find the overemphasis of successful americans and inane chatter of Costas and Couric to much to take.
  • Not only in the US (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:07AM (#9973566)
    I want to correct one thing. In these articles, it is always stated that the Olympics are being censored for US citizens. Nothing is further from the truth!

    In Belgium, the national station has only the rights to broadcast 6 hours live per day, because they could not pay more. Furthermore, they don't have the rights to put video reports about the Olympics on their news and sports site, not even for Belgian citizens.
    • None of the articles imply that this is happening only in the U.S.

      From the Slashdot FAQ:

      Slashdot seems to be very U.S.-centric. Do you have any plans to be more international in your scope?
      Slashdot is U.S.-centric. We readily admit this, and really don't see it as a problem. Slashdot is run by Americans, after all, and the vast majority of our readership is in the U.S. We're certainly not opposed to doing more international stories, but we don't have any formal plans for making that happen. All we can
  • by NeedleSurfer ( 768029 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:25AM (#9973638)
    I'm not talking about the kind where the (and by far) biggest producers and consummers of porn in the world suddenly feel pure when seeing a metal covered tit during the superbowl and take "measures" so that it doesn't happen again.

    I'm talking about the one where only US athlete will be shown, when they win or could and before the dope test, so as to again falsely give the impression to the american population that they are the best. Hell on forums troughout the net most americans will tell you they've been the most cheered country during the countries announcement when, actually, they were boo'ed. This is not a coincidence, some stuff is happening before it gets on their TV. How many time in the past did world athlete did exceptionnal stuf and it wasn't even covered in american medias, all that was covered is their guy loosing, they just can't stand not being the center of attention. The country which is the least aware of the world is the one that judge it the most, how sad, one wonders why?
  • by bitslinger_42 ( 598584 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:37AM (#9973670)

    While I guess I can understand NBC's position: they've paid enormously for this, so they should be able to try and make some of the money back. There's not very many people who would be up at 4 in the morning to watch a swim meet, but there's a bunch who'll watch the same thing in the evening. Trying to sell ads for $1 million per second at 04:00 would be a disaster.

    What really annoys me, though, is being forced to listen to such blatantly political commentary. What am I talking about, you ask? During the opening ceremony, those morons doing the commentary for NBC made every attempt to point out the places where Islamic groups were "causing" strife. They couldn't seem to resist talking about the problems in the Sudan caused by the Muslims. They also made every effort to talk up how much the US has helped our little brown brothers we liberated in Afghanistan and Iraq, and had the gall to complain about the torture used by the Iraqi training program! I guess torture is OK in the name of national defense but not in the name of national pride.

    For all the high-falootin' ideals that the Olympics supposedly stand for, it makes me want to puke every time I hear the American media make some snide comment so they can use the forum to propegate a political agenda.

  • I've found both Australia's ABC and BBC news streams have been put on hold during the Olympics. Is there anything left to bounce through a proxy?
  • by billsf ( 34378 ) <billsf@cuba.ca[ ].nl ['lyx' in gap]> on Sunday August 15, 2004 @10:57AM (#9973733) Homepage Journal
    NOS, here in Holland is sending its feed to one provider only, KPN, and using their infrastructure as a 'giant lan'. (Actually it's a mbone setup on the fake 'A' range like 227.0.0.0/8.) KPN does not offer great bandwidth, so it may require a few ADSL lines coming into a real provider to proxy it fully.

    Apart from a stunt like the above, (which is probably going to cost KPN its Internet business) it is technically difficult to limit a true netcast. I was rather surprised how easy it was to get on the BBC netcast without paying. This is only for hack sake. The price BBC charges is fair and I intend to subscribe. They should completely ditch the .ram (RealAudio) format if they want to sell more subscriptions. ADPCM (.wmf) works and is not patentable and the MPEG formats, particularly 4, are far better. BBC is known for innovation, so when they get MPEG4 and .ogg audio in a streaming container like .avi they have lots of new customers.

  • The Olympics stopped being about amateur atheletics a long time ago. Now it's just about money. The committees that pick the locations take bribes, the atheletes use steriods, blood transfusions and any other method to get ahead, and it's all done in pursuit of more money for the broadcast rights. What passes for the Olympics now doesn't deserve the name.

    If you want to have a proper Olympics you would have to prohibit endorsement contracts, broadcast the games for free all over the world, etc. It will

  • The ideal of amateur competition in the glorious field of sport in the Olympics has been pissed on by a corrupt IOC, rotted by drug scandals, and tainted by athletes competing for nations other than their own for money--not to mention the corporate millions and the politics. I'll be glad when this is over so I can quit hearing about it.
  • Islamic Censorship. (Score:5, Informative)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:07AM (#9973778) Journal
    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/1 8656.htm [nypost.com]

    August 14, 2004 -- THE Greek organizers of this summer's Olympics, which began in Athens yesterday, claim that more women athletes are competing than ever before. Women are also playing a high-profile role in making the whole enterprise, the biggest of its kind in Greek history, run as smoothly as possible. Seen from the Muslim world, however, the Athens game will look like a male-dominated spectacle in which women play an incidental part.

    According to officials in Athens, the number of Muslim women participating in this year's game is the lowest since 1960. Several Muslim countries have sent no women athletes at all; others, such as Iran, are taking part with only one, in full hijab. And state-owned TV networks in many Muslim countries, including Iran and Egypt, have received instructions to limit coverage of events featuring women athletes at Athens to a minimum.

    A circular from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance and Culture in Tehran asks TV editors to make sure that women's games are not televised live: "Images of women engaged in contests [sic] must be carefully vetted," says the letter, leaked in Tehran. "Editors must take care to prevent viewers from being confronted [sic] with uncovered parts of the female anatomy in contests."

    Women athletes in Athens are unlikely to wear the Islamic hijab or full-length manteaux that cover their legs to the ankle and their arms to the wrist. The ministry's order thus could mean a blanket ban on images of female athletics.

    Fear of Muslim viewers seeing bare female legs and arms on television is also shared by theologians in several Arab states. Sheik Yussuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian theologian based in Qatar, claims that female sport is exploited as a means of undermining "divine morality."

    Ayatollah Emami Kashani, one of Iran's ruling mullahs, goes further. In a recent sermon, he claimed that allowing women to compete in the Olympics was a "sign of voyeurism" on the part of the male organizers.

    "The question how much of a woman's body could be seen in public is one of the two or three most important issues that have dominated theological debate in Islam for decades," says Mohsen Sahabi, a Muslim historian. "More time and energy is devoted to this issue than to economic development or scientific research. "

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    Islamist theologians are divided on how much of a woman's body can be exposed in public. The most radical, the Sitris, insist that women should be entirely covered from head to toe, including their faces and fingers. The less radical Hanbalis say a woman should be covered all over, but recommend a mask with apertures for the eyes and the mouth. (A version of this, known as the burqa, was imposed on Afghan women by the Taliban).

    The Khomeinist version of the hijab, invented in the 1970s and now popular in many countries, including the United States, covers a woman's entire body but allows her face and hands to be exposed. Hijab theoreticians agree on one claim: a woman's hair emanates dangerous rays that could drive men wild with sexual lust and thus undermine social peace.

    But the problem of women athletes goes deeper. Some theologians claim that any form of sporting activity by women produces "sinful consequences." In 2000, for example, the Khomeinist authorities in Tehran announced a ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles. The rationale? Riding bicycles or motorcycles would activate a woman's thighs and legs, thus arousing "uncontrollable lustful drives" in her. And men watching women on their bikes in the streets could be "led towards dangerous urges."

    The problems don't end there. According to some theologians, a woman should not be allowed to venture out of her home without a "raqib" or male guardian. But that guardian must be either her husband or her father, brother, grandfather, uncle or son.
    • by Abcd1234 ( 188840 ) on Sunday August 15, 2004 @11:43AM (#9973990) Homepage
      THE Greek organizers of this summer's topless Olympics, which began in Athens yesterday, claim that more women athletes are competing than ever before. Women are also playing a high-profile role in making the whole enterprise, the biggest of its kind in Greek history, run as smoothly as possible. Seen from the Western world, however, the Athens game will look like a male-dominated spectacle in which women play an incidental part.

      According to officials in Athens, the number of Western women participating in this year's game is the lowest since 1960. Several Western countries have sent no women athletes at all; others, such as the United States, are taking part with only one, in full clothing. And state-owned TV networks in many Western countries, including Canada and Britain, have received instructions to limit coverage of events featuring women athletes at Athens to a minimum.

      A circular from the FTC in America asks TV editors to make sure that women's games are not televised live: "Images of women engaged in contests [sic] must be carefully vetted," says the letter, leaked in Tehran. "Editors must take care to prevent viewers from being confronted [sic] with uncovered parts of the female anatomy in contests."
    • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Monday August 16, 2004 @05:51AM (#9978705) Homepage
      such as Iran, are taking part with only one, in full hijab.

      Which event is she entered into? The 800 meter swimming race?

      Acording to Google she is actually entered into pistol and/or rifle shooting and Iran may also may have attempted to enter women into Taekwondo and canoeing but they failed to qualify. But I still like the gag of attempting to swim a half mile in full hijab.

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  • This is restriction, NOT censorship. Censorship is something a government does.
    If you have a firewall at your business or home, are you "censoring" info or merely restricting it..?
    AFAIC, NBC paid a lot of money for exclusive rights. Whether that was wise or not is a separate discussion, but they have the right to get the most value out of their investment.
  • ..but now I do not even notice it. I spent 16 years swimming (nationals and all), playing water polo, soccer and running. I used to watch every competition I could. I do not even bother reading in the press anymore. The corporate involvement has gone from sponsorship to infernal meddling to worthless.

    If someone can bring back sports (amateur) without the garbage, I would love to see it and be part of it again. I would not even know how to make it happen.

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