Beastie Boys Respond to DRM Claims 581
An anonymous reader notes that the Beastie Boys have responded to claims that their new album is DRM-crippled; their response is that the US and UK versions aren't crippled, and the DRM software is only installed in RAM, not on disk. See our previous story for background.
Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Insightful)
B) Check install.log on your hard disk for details.
Haha.
*weep*
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:4, Insightful)
Online music is mere peanuts to the record industry; the suits want to stop piracy, even if they don't understand how to.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the end goal is to create a new business model around pay-per-play. This is how they already view their 'property'. The fact that it's physically contained on DVDs and CDs is a messy necessity. But as we become more intellectually divorced from that view of property we start to see it as their intellectual property and not our physical property. Blocking the main competition through the DMCA DRM combo is hand in hand with this strategy.
don't kid yourself into thinking the riaa just doesn't get it... what's scarier than them not getting it is that they do get it and they're using that against us
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Interesting)
Absolutely. They've realized that all of us entering our 30s aren't going to buy many new CDs and they're still trying to milk us for every last drop they can get. We were the ones that loaded up on import singles from England at $25/pop over the last ten years. The new generation of teenagers doesn't care about remixes because they already have a million of them (kindly supplied by us). We were the generation that put the money into the remix movement. What thanks do we get for it? None. Only the proposition to BOHICA.
don't kid yourself into thinking the riaa just doesn't get it... what's scarier than them not getting it is that they do get it and they're using that against us
I've been saying this for years. Not just about the RIAA, but about any powerful political entity from individual senators up to entire governing bodies. I usually get shouted down for being a paranoid hippie freak.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:4, Insightful)
Uh, if you are buying the album and you're going to rip it to iTunes why not just buy it from the iTunes Music Store in the first place? Then you only need to buy it once.
The real reason they are doing this is not to encourage you to buy your music multiple times or in a certain place. They are doing this to make it a pain for casual users to copy and distribute the songs. Sure they won't stop the hard-core techs from ripping the songs but they probably figure that if they stop the majority of people from being able to trade music then that's good enough. One problem with that notion is that it only takes 1 tech person to rip an album, the rest of humanity can leech off of the tech's efforts and download like crazy.
It's not enough to make it difficult to rip music and trade it. You either need to make it impossible to do or forget about stopping it. To me it makes much more sense to just make it insanely easy to get cheap, legal music. That way the free music isn't so much easier of an option than the bought music.
People will buy their music as long as the price is right and the barrier to obtaining the music is simple enough. Just look at the success of the iTunes Music Store. Keep lowering the prices of the songs there and continue to make buying simple and the music purchases will continue to grow.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:4, Insightful)
erm, maybe because i trust my cd shelf a little bit more than i trust my computer? i trust my computer a lot, but since any event that would fukc up my cd shelf would kill my computer as well, and the opposite is not true, i know where my preferences are.
and then comes all the hassle in case you some day feel like you want some "alternative-ipod" even if it is just itms taking all your legitimately bought songs hostage to make you buy a possibly over-priced future generation ipod. just look at what sony does with their mem-stick. in case of a cd that is compatible with a cd player i know at least that i can get proper copies with all the hassle, getting past a drm solution either involves software more illegal than an spdif cable (or good converters..) or recoding, or both.
(on the ceap&legal point, i certainly agree with you. but honestly, i don't see that anywhere, do you?)
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:4, Informative)
iTunes has a way to archive your music fairly easily. Create a playlist with the music you want to archive and burn a data CD or DVD with it. It will burn all of your files to a CD or DVD as AAC files which you can then put in a safebox somewhere.
As for the alternative music players you can easily convert the iTunes AAC files to some other format by burning a music CD and re-ripping to the format you want or by using one of the open source converters that have popped up. It's fairly simple and then your music is in whatever format you need.
Sure, its a bit of a hassle as you mentioned but then again it's cheaper than buying both a CD and the iTunes songs as the parent poster was talking about.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Insightful)
Current burnt CDs have a shelflife of about 2-3 years (I'va had some go after a year). A pressed CD lasts 20+ years (I have 18 yr old pressed CDs that still play flawlessly). SO the burning scenario just doesn't cut it.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Interesting)
I guess you are american. CIA unearthed an amazing conspiracy, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
See? There are indeed other countries than USA on planet.
I am already mad to RIAA not Apple since they don't allow a worldwide shop. Its amazing...
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Informative)
As another poster has said, you can certainly burn iTMS tracks to CD. In fact you can burn them to CD both as the original data files and as the AIFF format found on regular music CDs. You can burn a playlist 7 times after which you can just crea
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Informative)
The files in the iTMS were ripped from the masters using professional gear and software. This fact, along with the AAC encoding, makes it so that a 128 kbit AAC encoded music file from iTMS is much higher quality than a 128 kbit MP3 file ripped from a CD.
In fact, the iTMS music files sound damn close in quality to what you are getting on CD. Sure it may sound a little different
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Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Insightful)
And as a recent article showed, data in swap can remain there for many years, unoverwritten.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Insightful)
They think loaded = installed
everyone else thinks loaded = run
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Funny)
everyone else thinks loaded = run
I think loaded = drunk, stoned
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Funny)
"We installed DRM software into RAM but we did not install it onto the computer"
"I smoked pot, but I did not inhale."
"I did not have sex with that woman."
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Funny)
I think that goes without saying if you're posting to Slashdot.
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Cognitive Dissonance? (Score:5, Funny)
For your RIGHT!
To Ppprrrroooo-fit!
RAID meta-data ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Cache (Score:5, Informative)
1. There is NO copy controlled software on US or UK releases of Beastie Boys' "To the 5 Boroughs."
2. The disk *IS* copy controlled in Europe - which is standard policy for all
Capitol/EMI titles (and a policy used by ALL major labels in Europe).
3. The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200 [macrovision.com], which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk. It does absolutely NOT install any kind of spyware, shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users system.
You can find more information on the technology used here:
http://www.macrovision.com/products/cds/cd
This is what EMI has to say about it:
Reports that "spyware" is being included on the Beastie Boy's CD, 'To The Five Boroughs' are absolutely untrue.
While the Beastie Boys CD does use copy control in some territories, there is no copy control on the Beasties Boys discs in the US or the UK. Where copy protection is used, it is Macrovision's CDS-200 technology; the same technology being used for the past several months around the world for all of EMI's releases in those territories. This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based, meaning that it is dependent on the physical properties and the format of the CD. None of the copy protection in CDS-200 requires software applications to be loaded onto a computer.
The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the fly. It also temporarily installs a graphic "skin" for the player. Nothing is permanently installed on a hard drive. These details can be verified in the 'install.log' file in the computer's root directory.
Re:Cache (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Cache (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cache (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Cache (Score:5, Funny)
What a relief, we can only imagine what disastrous effects it might have if Duke Nukem Forever were to be surreptitiously installed on the defenseless hard drives of innocent beastie-boy fans.
Re:Cache (Score:4, Funny)
2. The disk *IS* copy controlled in Europe - which is standard policy
Oh, you mean the UK is not Europe?
Yep, the next sentence proves this guy doesn't have a clue about geography.
the same technology being used for the past several months around the world for all of EMI's releases in those territories
Love to hear what else there is between 'around the world' and 'those territories'.
Most importantly... (Score:4, Insightful)
Those marketing-drones really have no clue what they are talking about... vaporware can, by definition, not be installed.
Re:Most importantly... (Score:5, Funny)
Sure it can!
Just only on the Phantom game console.
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So What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting.
Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Malware, maybe. Virus/Worm/Trojan? Nope.
Re:So What? (Score:5, Informative)
Trojan, yes. All that is required for a trojan is that it masquerades as something else (music) and causes an undesired effect (enforcement of DRM).
This is definitely a trojan.
LK
Re:Uh...no (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm sure that we will all agree that the DVDCA informed the public that DVDs were encrypted so that their content could be controlled. I'm also sure that most of us will agree that it was a bad thing when they invoked the DMCA to prevent people from developing a Linux DVD Player.
DRM is evil. It's an attempt to control when, where and how you can enjoy the content that you've paid to access.
LK
Re:So What? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, Trojan is exactly right. A Trojan Horse is a program which has an unintended payload and may or may not contain self-propagation code.
Any program which installs itself on your computer without your consent would, in fact, be a Trojan, by definition.
You are, of course, correct in that it is neither a virus nor a worm. People seem to forget that the reason there are three names is that these are three distinct classes of malware.
Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a Trojan.
What they need to do to come clean is pop up a dialog when you insert the CD that says "Click OK to install Digital Restriction Management software on your computer. This is required to play the CD on your computer. Click Cancel to quit without playing the CD"
Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even that would be a lie. If it plays in a CD player, it will play fine in a CD-ROM drive in analog mode.
Norton isn't so innocent (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:So What? (Score:3, Insightful)
Nearly every game or application CD for Windows loads a program into RAM the moment you put it in the drive. I never heard of any company being sued for this.
No "vaporware" is installed? (Score:5, Funny)
Does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Interesting)
Will the CD play on Linux? I am all for buying their CD, but I will NOT buy a CD I can't play at work or at home.
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:3, Insightful)
Would turning off the autorun feature in Windows prevent stuff like this from happening? I keep it turned off since I find the windows automatically popping up to be an annoyance, especially if I just want to explore the files on the CD.
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:3, Informative)
On my Gentoo box, I ran Grip 3.2, and everything extracted flawlessly. There's no static, skipping, or any other hijinx going on here. It rips and encodes fine.
If you're asking "will it play under a cd-playing app instead of a ripping app," then I couldn't tell you. I go straight to rip'n'archive mode.
There is a data track on the CD -- perhaps there's some other goodies on it like wallpaper or whatever that you can only get to on a Win/Mac, but I'm not in it for that. I just want the tun
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:5, Interesting)
If it uses autoplay to install a driver, Linux, which doesn't support autoplay and couldn't run a windoze driver if it wanted to, will have no problem. It'd be like trying to use dutch elm disease against soldiers.
Also, keep in mind that (no duh) the Linux drivers for IDE devices are written completely separately from the Windows ones, and have different vulnerabilities (and if they have the same vunerabilities, then fine, I'll wait 3 days, emerge sync && emerge -uD world && genkernel all && emerge nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx hotplug emu10k1 and I'm all set).
Re:It should... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Does it work on Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
No vaporware! (Score:5, Funny)
I'm so glad they're not installing vaporware on my machine! Phew! I was worried for a bit there.
Re:yes (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe the album couldn't be 13 years late?
Now when Macrovision starts incorporating tupperware, I'll be worried - imagine having to push the lid of the jewel case down to burp it before you can move the CD to another device.
Re:No vaporware! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:No vaporware! (Score:5, Funny)
There were going to... but it wasn't ready yet. *rimshot*
So.. (Score:5, Interesting)
This is not a cd then (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is not a cd then (Score:3, Insightful)
As such, calling it a CD - compact disc - is fine, since it's a disc that's smaller than a record. I think the trademark is "CD-Audio" and the logo.
Re:This is not a cd then (Score:3, Informative)
HP [hp.com] might disagree with you on that one. Since hp is their logo, and their logo is trademarked, it wouldn't be wise to go into a computer related business and refer to yourself as "HP".
Re:This is not a cd then (Score:5, Interesting)
haha (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh... do they even know what vaporware means? I love press releases like this, they should just how little the PR goons know about anything related to this technology.
"Where did Duke Nukem Forever come from?!" (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"Where did Duke Nukem Forever come from?!" (Score:5, Funny)
Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (Score:3, Informative)
2. The disk *IS* copy controlled in Europe - which is standard policy for all
Capitol/EMI titles (and a policy used by ALL major labels in Europe).
3. The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk. It does absolutely NOT install any kind of spyware, shareware, silverware, or ladies wear onto the users system.
You can find more information on the technology used here:
http://www.macrovision.com/products/cds/cd
This is what EMI has to say about it:
Reports that "spyware" is being included on the Beastie Boy's CD, 'To The Five Boroughs' are absolutely untrue.
While the Beastie Boys CD does use copy control in some territories, there is no copy control on the Beasties Boys discs in the US or the UK. Where copy protection is used, it is Macrovision's CDS-200 technology; the same technology being used for the past several months around the world for all of EMI's releases in those territories. This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based, meaning that it is dependent on the physical properties and the format of the CD. None of the copy protection in CDS-200 requires software applications to be loaded onto a computer.
The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the fly. It also temporarily installs a graphic "skin" for the player. Nothing is permanently installed on a hard drive. These details can be verified in the 'install.log' file in the computer's root directory.
Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (Score:3, Insightful)
These details can be verified in the 'install.log' file in the computer's root directory.
and
This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporware of any kind on a users PC. In fact, CDS-200 does not install software applications of ANY KIND on a user's PC. All the copy protection in CDS-200 is hardware based,
So, if everything is hardware protection, why do they touch some "install.log" in the computer's root directory?
"This Macrovision technology does NOT install spyware or vaporwaer
Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (Score:3, Interesting)
>machine, an entry is placed in install.log
You don't. install.log is mostly used so an unistaller can now what to delete. A typical install.log resides inside a program's directory. I did a quick search in my hdd, and out of 28 install.log files, 26 where in \program files\foo and two where in \windows\system32\macromed\ (BAD macromedia).
The macrovision people get extra credit for dumping a file in the root directory.
Re:Server is to Busy: Here is the Text (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, it sucks. I like the Beastie Boy's, and I was going to buy their CD. I picked it up, and started walking to the register. But as soon as I saw that it was protected, I put it back.
I will buy CD's. I won't buy things that look like CD's, but aren't.
Ill Communication (Score:5, Funny)
Torrent (Score:5, Interesting)
If I was feeling cynical I would think they are just doing this for publicity.
Re:Torrent (Score:4, Interesting)
This'll have no effect on internet piracy, though i think the point may be to make it harder for regular people to burn a copy for a friend or to get people who use portable MP3 players to buy the album again from an online service.
The fact that they're doing it in some markets and not others probably means someone will be doing some research as to how it effects sales.
Err, Redbook != WMA (Score:5, Insightful)
Am I the only one who sees a strange contradiction between the following lines in the press release?
The copy protection system used for all EMI/Capitol releases including "To the 5 Boroughs" is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player into the users RAM (not hard drive) to playback the RED book audio on the disk.
Vs.The technology does activate a proprietary Macrovision player in order to play the CD on a PC, and that player converts WMA compressed files to audio on the fly.
So, which is it then? A Redbook audio cd, or a data CD with WMA compressed files? Am I reading this right?
Re:Err, Redbook != WMA (Score:3, Interesting)
A PC will always play the last session, and an audio player will always play the first session. In this manner you can put both data and audio on a CD and have them easily accessable to both types of players.
In Windows, all you have to do is hold down the shift key while mounting the CD. It will load the first session on the disc instead of their cr
Re:Seems like a limitation (Score:3, Insightful)
Out of all the CD's I do have, which isn't TOO many but probably around 30 or so, not a single one is even 60 minutes, nevermind 70. Almost all albums have around 12 - 14 songs, some less some more. There's exceptions, but not enough to worry about the extra space required for the psuedo copy protection that this Beastie Boys album has.
The other crappy part about this whole thing is
Bought it, ripped it, stored it (Score:4, Informative)
And this also goes for all other current protection systems that I've had my hands on during the last months.. No idea why they even try.
The confusion of copy protection/DRM (Score:4, Insightful)
Now junk like this is adding the same confusion to purchasing a CD. The logical result? "I think I'll just download a pirated copy".
When you have to post a 'response' to a new thing on an old thing that used to just work, you have by definition created confusion. People will go for the simpler option: piracy.
Good thinkin' record people!
Re:The confusion of copy protection/DRM (Score:4, Interesting)
I've made a simular comment before.
If you want your data in a widely usefull format, you're going to have to know how to do some kind of hack. These hacks will become more and more complex. So the easier route would be to turn to your favorite source of illicit data and take advantage of someone else's work.
Not all illicit data sources are equal. Even before the various Media industry associations started hiring outfits to play shennanigans, getting a good quality RIP involved a fair degree of effort. Or money.
Now, once you've gone through all the effort to get your illicit data... what's the incentive of buying a legal copy? After all, you're already vested in the data you just aquired. It's not like going to buy a copy from the store is giving you a whole lot. And neither is buying and downloading a sanctioned copy.
The Music industry is making illicit data markets attractive.
On a side note - it's interesting to watch this work in a completely open market. Back in the early 90's, I spent some time in Saudi Arabia. There were no copyright laws. There were entire stores devoted to cheap knock-off cassettes of the latest pop music. However, there were also stores that sold both the cheap knock-offs and the better-quality official products. They were competatively priced with advertisements extolling the virtues (higher quality, lyrics, etc) of the official products. In the stores that sold both, I saw a lot of customers walking up to the register with official merchandise (as well as those who went for price over quality).
Bills defining a virus, and making this illegal. (Score:5, Informative)
Available at www.allofmp3.com (Score:5, Informative)
Prices range from $0.03 to $0.30 USD per song.
So much for DRM attempts.
Re:Available at www.allofmp3.com (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Available at www.allofmp3.com (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Available at www.allofmp3.com (Score:3, Funny)
Re:where warez costs you money... (Score:4, Informative)
The is divided into data and audio (Score:3, Informative)
Just grab the audio side like normal.
Check Your Head (Score:3, Funny)
My Funky Boss is not happy about it either because when I tried to listen to my new CD on my computer at work it hosed it up.
I had to Pass the Mic to my admin who told me I needed to read
But I did have some Gratitude for other artists who take a stand with their recording companys unlike the BBoys are doing now apparently.
Their website told me to Lighten Up but I still don't think they are being honest with me.
Other CD's are Finger Licking Good because the are real but I guess they forgot that when they made this one.
So Whatcha Want is a real CD and not this one.
The Biz vs the Nudge was a grudge match between DRM and Fair Use, we are still waiting to see who will win.
Time For Livin is right now, if you are real about your music BBoys stand up to your label and speak some truth.
Something's Got to Give and it will; SCO will fall and MS will have to find a new shill.
The Blue Nun does not even like the DRM on her box.
Stand Together beacuse if we refuse these DRM crippled systems they will stop selling them.
POW in your mouth for messing with us.
The Maestro told me that I could disable this DRM by holding down a shift key but he was sent away for being a "terrorist".
Groove Holmes also was suspect but he is told them he's voteing for Bush this year so they let him go.
Live at PJ's was recorded and distributed via Kazaa, increaseing record sales, but the RIAA still sued them.
I Mark the Bus with instructions on how to defeat the DRM on the new BBoys album so all my homies can see it.
Professor Booty is working on a way to defeat people who "steal" all that music by singing on their own but I hear it's not going very well.
In 3's, #1 damn this album has a lot of tracks, #2 I though I could respect the BBoys but I'm not so sure now, #3 if you have read all this your more wacked than Mike D.
I had to bend over for Namaste so he could install the DRM in my...
Oh, vaporware that turned my PC into vapor ?? (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder why I deserved my CD-ROM drive not to be working anymore because I have tried to copy my friends legal-bought CD to the Archos of him.
I can't read anything anymore through the CD-ROM drive, no data and no audio cd's, nothing works since I have inserted the new Beasty Boys CD.
I am really starting to get annoyed since this means a complete re-install of that PC which I do not have the time (or money) for. A lot of data is on backup but also a lot of data (my vinyl and protected CD's ripped to WAV format) will be lost after this re-install.
These copyprotections are taking more time than I have; to be even more specific, certain CD's like Solid Sounds I need to rip manually to be able to USE this CD in my older car cd player and pro Denon DJ CD player!!! Since I am DJ and using vinyl and CD's a lot I find this unacceptable.
Is this copyprotection a convenience only for the record company or should the audio CD be a convenience for the listener? Where's the time you put in the CD in your favorite cd player you like to listen to the music you like ? The time of putting your cd in your car cdplayer, cd-rom drive or professional CD player is over and it's only getting worse, looking to this example of the latest CD I tried to rip for my friend.
I used to buy 2 to 5 cd's a month, since I am not sure anymore which cd's work or not I started buying more vinyl again, but hell, I do not want to buy ANY releases of the same producers that cripple the audio CD's I have bought for 20 EURO or more!
The recording industry has lost at least 600 EURO last year only because I do not want to buy or use cd's anymore.. what's the use to buy a cd if I can't use it?
I have built up a nice record collection of +30000 vinyl records and +2000 cd's. Probably the collection of my cd's will not be updated anymore as protest to this kind of behavior towards the consumer. I currently have about 62 cd's of the last 2 years that I cannot use at all unless I rip it and copy it. This is about 1200 EURO/$ I have lost because I cannot use them as DJ.
This will conclude the recording industry will not get MY money of minimally 720 EURO/$ per year anymore, which I will spend on independent vinyl recording companies which are not related to the ones that cripple MY cd's I have bought with my well-deserved money.
A more complete article here... (Score:3, Interesting)
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My soulmate wanted to rip the CD to put on his Archos Jukebox, since he is not using CD's anymore but still buys them to be legal and to have the full version.
Since I have put in the CD I can't run my company invoice system anymore, can't do anything at all with that cdrom drive, can't even play a game. Every time I put in the CD it cannot be recognized by my syste
I was hoping... (Score:4, Funny)
Damn! I was kind of hoping it would install Duke Nukem Forever when I stuck it in my drive...
Almost pregnant... (Score:4, Interesting)
*thinks perhaps the brownies were a bit to strong this time, and wanders off mumbling to himself*
Re:Just Another Reason For News (Score:4, Insightful)
Broadcast Flag (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:You gotta fight for your right (Score:5, Interesting)
I was having a discussion at a family party just the other week, and was shocked to hear my GRANDMOTHER talking about how "EVIL the RIAA is" (her words). I asked her what she was talking about, and she said that the commercials where they force the children to admit to being criminals is wrong. That got my aunts asking me where to get music from. Some wanted a legal way of doing it (I got one aunt setup with iTunes) and some wanted a free way of doing it.
More and more people are noticing the RIAA and more and more people are getting sick and tired of it.
And you didn't bother to show her the RIAA radar? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:You gotta fight for your right (Score:5, Funny)
Mike D: "Ya but that was a 1000 years ago..."
Adam Horovitz: "Now we have 7."
Re:You gotta fight for your right (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, it debuted at Number One on the Billboard Album Chart [billboard.com], so somebody must care.
What is most distressing is that the Beasties are the second DRM CD to hit the top of the chart. Boroughs displaced Velvet Revolver's Contraband at #1. Contraband is also DRM "protected."
This should open the floodgates. If record companies were ever shy of DRM, now they'll know people will buy their defective wares, anyway.
I'd like a copy of Velvet Revolver. But I won't buy it until I can find a copy on the used market. If the entire Slashdot world quit buying CDs, it would hardly make a dent (not that Slashdotters *always* pay for their music). But it's the principle of the whole thing.
My main bitch with DRM CDs is that it might make it more difficult to rip legally purchased music to my hard drive. I don't even own a standalone CD player these days, and I want to be able to load my library on an iPod. All perfectly legal activities, but Big Music wants to dictate how I listen and store my music. In the owrds of our Vice President, f*ck them.
And f*ck artists who go along with it. Maybe I don't need that Velvet Revolver CD, after all.
Re:You gotta fight for your right (Score:5, Insightful)
The new album has some very good songs. The beasties are perhaps a little more innocent in style compared to todays "i'm a big rich mother fucker driving a bentley" rap. Frankly that stuff is so sickening. The fantasy world the fans of that shit live in, is simply put... tragic.
The Beasties are as real as it gets and so what they have an older style.... Its still pretty dam good. They leave the audience feeling good, rather than worshiping the $ like a false god, only to go home to their lower-middle class lives, pretending that they're jay-z. Yeah that gets you far in life.
As for outkast, i never got how people love those guys. Someone in the record industry gave me their latest cd and i felt like a fag listening to it
The second disc is more of the same, except for a song or two.
I give Outkast credit for being differernt... but from an audience point of view... the music's really fem.
Re:Damn Straight. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Damn Straight. (Score:3, Informative)
(Dutch copyright law).
Re:PREPARE TO BE MODERATED DOWN! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Question (Score:4, Funny)
1) They're punishing you for being godless commies.
2) We protected you from the red menace for so long, this is our payoff.
3) English is just a naturally superior language; as a result, English speakers don't deserve DRM.
4) French people. Enough said.
5) George W Bush threatened to nuke EMI if they didn't keep "those godless Eurotrash from pirating our hard-earned American IP".
6) Barbara Boxer threatened to sue EMI if they didn't keep "those wonderful European scamps from pirating the music industries rightfully earned profits".
7) Orrin Hatch's head exploded; as a result, the US no longer has to deal with stupid copy protection efforts.
8) French people.
9) Specifically to piss off the Europeans; I mean, that's what American corporations live for, right?
10) They think if they make the scheme illogical enough, all the computer nerds who pirate their music will have their brains ignite in a collective bonfire of confusion.
(laugh, its supposed to be funny)
Re:I don't mind too much (Score:4, Funny)
Wow! I'm boycotting EMI without even trying!
Re:I don't mind too much (Score:4, Insightful)
Then the RIAA came for Good Music
and I did not speak out
For I died of shock