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MPAA Infiltrating Campus Nets with Software 536

unassimilatible writes "CNet is reporting that the MPAA is starting to infiltrate college campuses with automated anti-piracy software. Known as the Automated Copyright Notice System (ACNS), the technology promises to make copyright enforcement easier on peer-to-peer networks, saving schools and Internet service providers (ISPs) time and money. ACNS allows them to automatically restrict or cut off Internet access for alleged infringers on notice from a record label or movie studio. Though not specifically ACNS, a similar system is set to go live Monday at the University of California at Los Angeles, one of the nation's largest universities with 37,500 students. UCLA's Copyright Policy page makes no reference of this system being implemented."
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MPAA Infiltrating Campus Nets with Software

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  • OS SW on Cisco HW? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RevDobbs ( 313888 ) * on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:19AM (#8917079) Homepage

    From the article:

    "ACNS is an open-source, royalty-free system ... "

    And:

    "According to the technical specification for ACNS, the group is working with a university that has installed the system using its Cisco routers."

    Sounds like a case of buzzworditus... can one even legally install Open Source software on Cisco harware? I mean, besides the Open Source stuff that Cisco has pirated.

    • by Simonetta ( 207550 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @12:57PM (#8918467)
      This 'hustler' mentality of the RIAA and their obsession with tracking down and punishing song traders is not in their best interest.
      Considering that there are only five or so corporations that 'own' the world's commercial cultural product, it's not like someone else is going to get the money if someone buys record X while someone else downloads record Y. If there were still hundreds of independent record companies, then this mentality would be reasonable. But there's not. And the media executives should grow out of the 'hustler' mentality that was the way the music business used to work when they were coming up through the ranks. Things are different now.
      What the RIAA/MPAA doesn't seem to realize is that their biggest long-term problem is not that people will 'steal' their product, it's that people will become so uninterested in their product that they won't be able to give it away even if they tried. Creating an atmosphere where consumers are threatened with prison and property confiscation for listening to RIAA product will go a long way to creating a subliminal distrust of commercial music. Eventually people will go out of their way to avoid exposure to RIAA product simply to avoid the possibility of arbitrary legal harassment.
      When the RIAA customers are gone, it will be really difficult to get them back. Because the techniques that they are employing now will destroy any trust that people have in the RIAA. Trust in this case meaning that people believe that what the RIAA say's is legal use, will actually be legal use.

      As far as the MPAA product is concerned, it is absurd to harass downloaders. They need to cut their costs for film production and promotion. Then they need to cut the admission prices for going to the films in theatres. Few people will download a 1 gigabyte movie when they can pay $2 to see it in a safe, comfortable theatre with quality projection and large screen.

      An example of this is the Valley Theatre in Beaverton Oregon (a suburb of Portland). Built in the 1960s, they now show second-run features on a giant 50 foot screen and have started a 20 admissions for $20 pricing policy with $3 for single standard admission. Who wants to spend 10 hours downloading a DivX of LOTR when you can see it on a big screen for a dollar?

      All the RIAA/MPAA problems have reasonable solutions. Their big problem is that they're not reasonable people.
      • What the RIAA/MPAA doesn't seem to realize is that their biggest long-term problem is not that people will 'steal' their product, it's that people will become so uninterested in their product that they won't be able to give it away even if they tried. Creating an atmosphere where consumers are threatened with prison and property confiscation for listening to RIAA product will go a long way to creating a subliminal distrust of commercial music. Eventually people will go out of their way to avoid exposure to
  • Uh Ohhhh (Score:5, Funny)

    by krackpipe ( 769323 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:20AM (#8917082) Homepage
    Does that paris hilton sex tape count as priated. my friend was wondering, not me. i swear
  • Offended (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:20AM (#8917087)
    As a 48 yo grandmother, and a feminist, I am offended that this article considers grandmothers as technically incompentant.
  • Yeah Right (Score:5, Insightful)

    by eblis ( 140713 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:20AM (#8917091)
    Why are colleges going to let some outside entity install software on their networks?
    • Re:Yeah Right (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Brave Guy ( 457657 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:25AM (#8917153)

      Because they care more about legal threats from multi-billion dollar megacorps than they do about Joe Freshman's "right" to illegally rip the latest Britney album?

      • Re:Yeah Right (Score:3, Insightful)

        by hackstraw ( 262471 ) *
        Because they care more about legal threats from multi-billion dollar megacorps than they do about Joe Freshman's "right" to illegally rip the latest Britney album?

        I have never heard of a university or any entity that provides an internet connection to be responsible for the upload/download of any content by a user or group of users. Maybe provide user information from logfiles, but thats it.
    • Re:Yeah Right (Score:3, Insightful)

      by IdleTime ( 561841 )
      Welcome to the USA, land of the free! *phew*
  • Bias (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JamesD_UK ( 721413 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:22AM (#8917111) Homepage
    Infiltrate? Who's words are those? The posting makes it sound as if the RIAA is covertly sneaking this software onto campus networks. The colleges do have a choice whether to use ACNS or not. Although I am sure that the RIAA will be putting a lot of pressure on those who choose not to.
  • by i_want_you_to_throw_ ( 559379 ) * on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:22AM (#8917121) Journal
    Because all they have to do is tell the universities "Let us install this and we promise we won't prosecute you if we find any infringers".

    Very crafty....
    • Well, the RIAA are obviously not after the universities, but after those who illegally copy the RIAA's music. The universities are set to benefit from this, as bandwidth costs will go down as file sharing is reduced.

      IANAL, but I don't think it's the universities' responsibility to keep their students from breaking the law, meaning that the RIAA couldn't prosecute the universities (and win) anyway.
    • by PhxBlue ( 562201 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:41AM (#8917399) Homepage Journal

      Cunning, maybe, but not very smart. Why would the universities, as content providers, be any more liable for students' copyright infringement than any other ISP?

    • Schools are also presently paying to get packet-shaping devices to try to slow/block P2P shares because they get in the way of other users, or would require the school to get more overall bandwidth. The RIAA is of course offering this service for free.
      • Schools are also presently paying to get packet-shaping devices to try to slow/block P2P shares because they get in the way of other users, or would require the school to get more overall bandwidth. The RIAA is of course offering this service for free.

        Schools are buying packet-shapers to manage the traffic level associated with P2P. The RIAA is offering them content-based filtering, which could be argued to remove what little common carrier status still exists for the School-cum-ISP.

  • Due Diligence? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Daengbo ( 523424 ) <daengbo@gmail. c o m> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:24AM (#8917141) Homepage Journal
    How long before the *AA starts suing ISP/Unis which don't implement this for lack of due diligence?
  • well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by deathazre ( 761949 ) <mreedsmith@gmail.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:24AM (#8917142)
    if it gets the people using kazaa off of our network, I see no problem with it. More bandwidth for the rest of us.
    • More bandwidth for the rest of us.
      Traffic shaping. My Uni uses packeteer [packeteer.com]. Or, for those of us with shallow pockets dummynet [unipi.it].
    • Re:well... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anubis350 ( 772791 )
      if it gets the people using kazaa off of our network, I see no problem with it. More bandwidth for the rest of us.

      Problem with that is it might infringe on legitimate traffic as well. For example, not all P2P sharing is of copyrighted music and files. This seems to filter though, seeking only copyright material as opposed to stopping P2P traffic.
      In this case it all depends on the implentation. As a sys admin I applaud the better security this promises (better trojan and virus policing etc). However this
  • by Aggrazel ( 13616 ) <aggrazel@gmail.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:24AM (#8917143) Journal
    The ministry of Plenty released today that production of shoes was up 20% from the same time last year...
  • by advocate_one ( 662832 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:25AM (#8917154)
    I mean... "infiltrate"... file sharing of material to which you do not have clear title is illegal... clear cut and dried... no questions about it... And any student who doesn't think so should read read the terms and conditions of using the campus assets again very slowly and wonder just why it's not a very good idea to do it...

    ok so there are legal uses of file sharing software, but those who distribute material that isn't legal haven't got a leg to stand on... and deserve everything that gets thrown at them...

    • by drooling-dog ( 189103 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @01:24PM (#8918888)
      I would like to know how they differentiate between files that are copyrighted and pirated vs. those that are either not copyrighted or are being stored legitimately. Just askin', because I've always suspected that the RIAA has a dual agenda here. The first (publicly acknowledged) one is to thwart piracy of works copyrighted by their members. The second is to stamp out a distribution channel that is legitimate but outside their control. They are a cartel defending their monopoly on distribution, and the latter agenda may actually be the more important one over the long haul.
  • ...from a virus? In my mind this is even more invasive than the spyware/adware I have to delete daily from my machine.
  • by hal2814 ( 725639 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:25AM (#8917167)
    The MPAA seems to be targeting titles that are not available on video yet. That in itself is ok in my book. My biggest gripe with the RIAA is how do they know that I don't own the song? I obviously don't own a copy of Starsky and Hutch because it hasn't been released on video yet. I don't like the possibility of violating privacy rights, so I am naturally skeptical of the ACNS system. The article did nothing to relieve those fears.
    • The RIAA isn't going after people for having copies of mp3's. Whether you own a legal copy of the song is not important. The RIAA is looking for people sharing the songs, and if the mp3 is copyrighted, it is infringement. "Fair Use" does not include downloading or sharing "backup copies" of songs that you once owned. They don't care if you own it or not. While the DMCA gives some shelter to the ISP or school, they still have to follow up on complaints to be compliant. Thats why people are getting lett
  • by DroopyStonx ( 683090 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:25AM (#8917171)
    With every MPAA story like this, you get all kinds of sheep coming out of the woodwork stating things like, "Good, downloading movies is illegal and this is just!" without realizing a lot of your rights are going down the toilet simply because some cry baby organization/company is claiming "copyright infringment" even though it's been going on for YEARS, long before the internet ever made it popular.

    These Universities need to tell them to piss off. They're just gonna get it even worse once anonymous P2P hits the masses.
    • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:44AM (#8917437)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • by PalmerEldritch42 ( 754411 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @12:09PM (#8917781)
        Interestingly enough, a wormhole appeared distorting the fabric of space and time, and through it fell a copy of the Encyclopedia Galactica from the year 2032. Listed under the heading of "MPAA" was an entry that read:

        The RIAA was a total sleazebag group that was first up against the wall when the revolution came.

        finkployd was summarily executed after a copyright infringement case.

    • by squaretorus ( 459130 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:48AM (#8917494) Homepage Journal
      Where these things piss me off is when I create an .avi file of some of the class dancing like pricks in a club. I share it with everyone. *AA software flags the traffic and me as the originator. I DID NOTHING WRONG. I get auto blocked and have to prove that I DID NOTHING WRONG to get unblocked.

      WTF

      Shouldnt that be the other way around - they prove me wrong THEN punish me... Or is that whacked out hippy speak these days??
    • The biggest problem of anonymous p2p is that if the *perception* becomes that its 'only used for illegal activities', then it can be cut off totally. This would kill legitimate use as well..

      Since they cant monitor who is doing what for verification of 'acceptable content', the ports just get closed at the firewall for everyone.

      If you move ports to something thats harder to block ( like port 80 for example ), they just look for above average bandwidth use to 'non official hosts', and cut their MAC address
    • The present-day American Entertainment Monolith was built, for over a century, on complete and utter disregard for the intellectual property of England and Europe. We published their books and didn't pay them, published their music and didn't pay them, performed their plays and operas and didn't pay them.

      For the American Entertainment Monolith to now say that fair's fair and everybody's got to pay up is the height of hypocrisy and gall... I'll pay them for all the crappy mp3's I dowloaded and erased (as
  • by cats-paw ( 34890 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:25AM (#8917173) Homepage
    Surely the following has been brought up before...

    1. If I'm downloading copies of song which I already own on CD, then I'm not infringing, am I? Maybe I'm just too lazy to rip my own disks. I can think of other reasons why I might do that.

    2. So if a high percentage (or even not so high percentage) of P2P users are downloading legitimate files, i.e. things they own or are otherwise allowed to access, doesn't this make it darn near impossible for the MPAA/RIAA/NSA/CIA/FBI to decide whose infringing and who is not ?

    So basically we're back to the guilty and proven innocent mindset which is becoming all-too-common in the Corporate States of America (TM)
    • I agree, I think there should be high penalties for falsly sending a takedown order. (I donno, $1000 + costs per false accusation)
    • 1. If I'm downloading copies of song which I already own on CD, then I'm not infringing, am I? Maybe I'm just too lazy to rip my own disks. I can think of other reasons why I might do that.

      I don't recal where I heard it, so I might be wrong, but I think there's some law somewhere that says you do not have the right to change the format of media you own. So if you have a CD and you make a copy of that CD for backup purposes then it's legal. But if you have a CD and you rip it to MP3s, the format has cha

      • but I think there's some law somewhere that says you do not have the right to change the format of media you own

        I am not a lawyer.

        But I know that you're wrong. "Format shifting" is Fair Use--so long as you don't share it. If it wasn't, how would you ever legally put MP3s on your PC?
      • Geez, here we go again...

        In the late 70's and early 80's cassette recorders were ILLEGAL to own in america because the RIAA was convinced it would be out of business within months. Sound familiar?

        Cassette recorders are legal today due to a freaking ACT OF CONGRESS because enough people wrote their legislators wondering why they couldn't make their friends mixtapes. In fact i believe it was even called the "mixtape law". (I'd like to provide a link but I'm at work and the firewalls don't like the pages
    • If I'm downloading copies of song which I already own on CD, then I'm not infringing, am I? Maybe I'm just too lazy to rip my own disks. I can think of other reasons why I might do that.

      Gray area for you because this kind of case really hasn't made it to the courts... however, the person you're downloading from is definitely in trouble. MP3.com's "locker" service where they allowed people to stream MP3.com's copy of a song after proving that they owned a CD with the song on it was what ended up bringing d
  • Hmm... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wronskyMan ( 676763 )
    From the article:
    Several studios and record labels, including Universal Music Group, have begun to standardize the tags at the bottom of their takedown notices into XML, code that allows data to be used seamlessly in various contexts. The digital tags contain the name of the copyrighted material that's been comprised, the copyright holder's name, date and time stamp, and the Internet Protocol address of the infringer. Receipt of this tag triggers the internal notification process at a university or ISP u
  • My experience (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ChaserPnk ( 183094 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:26AM (#8917179)
    This is what I received, I've edited some of it sensitive material out. I had to acknoledge that I had stopped sharing this file or my internet connection would be dropped

    Subject: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
    (Reference#: xxxxxx)

    MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, INC.
    15503 VENTURA BOULEVARD
    ENCINO, CALIFORNIA 91436

    UNITED STATES
    Anti-Piracy Operations
    PHONE: (818) 728 - 8127
    Email: MPAA@copyright.org

    Thursday, November 13, 2003

    Name: XXX XXXX
    E-mail: xxx@xxx
    ISP: xxx University

    Via Fax/Email

    RE: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
    MPA Case Name: directconnect://xxx:ipaddr/
    Reference#: 2937735

    Date of Infringement: 11/12/2003 2:28:05 PM GMT

    Dear :

    The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) represents the following motion picture production and distribution companies:

    Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
    Disney Enterprises, Inc.
    Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.
    Paramount Pictures Corporation
    TriStar Pictures, Inc.
    Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
    United Artists Pictures, Inc.
    United Artists Corporation
    Universal City Studios, LLLP
    Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

    We have received information that an individual has utilized the IP address, xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, at the above noted date and time to offer downloads of copyrighted motion picture(s) through a "peer-to-peer" service, including such title(s) as:

    Chicago

    The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted motion pictures constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3). This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

    Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:

    1. Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above, and;
    2. Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.

    On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective agents, or the law.

    Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

    Please contact us at the above listed address or by replying to this email should you have any questions. Kindly include the above noted Reference # in the subject line of all email correspondence.

    We thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.

    Respectfully,

    Thomas Temple
    Director
    Worldwide Internet Enforcement
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:26AM (#8917186)
    These MPAA narcs will stop at nothing. I had a bad feeling about that dreadlocked hackysack dude after we found him snooping around the dorm router. Also took note of the 3-piece suit under the poncho. Something isn't right here.
  • by gevmage ( 213603 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:26AM (#8917188) Homepage
    Getting network access as a student on a campus usually requires signing a blanket document that acknowledges that that the campus can monitor traffic that you send/receive. On many campuses, a student's choice is likely to be sign the form, or not get any access.

    Of course, you could always ssl all of your connections. Hmmm...that could get ugly quickly. I wonder how that would stack up against the DMCA?
  • Now they're alienating an entire new generation of young people.

    When the MPAA hits the ground, its going to make a crater THIS BIG.

  • by WebGangsta ( 717475 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:28AM (#8917204)
    I don't know what you're reading, but UCLA has a DCMA Copyright Policy [ucla.edu] listed that states UCLA meets the DMCA general eligibility requirements for Liability Shelter as a qualified provider of online services, including accommodating and not interfering with standard technical measures used to identify and protect copyrighted works, and adopting and implementing a policy that provides for the termination of services to persons who are repeat infringers.

    In fact, UCLA has even published a letter to their students directly addressing file-sharing [ucla.edu] which states We are writing to alert the campus community - students, faculty and staff - to the personal risks involved with illegal file-sharing. It is important that you understand these risks, not only because of the possibility of disciplinary action, but also to protect yourself against criminal prosecution and the initiation of civil litigation by copyright holders. We would like you to be very aware that initiation of legal action by copyright holders is becoming more of a reality every day..

    With ample notification of monitoring and a termination policy in place, why should UCLA need to explicitly state that they are turning on a new monitoring system any more than they would notify students that their P2P bandwidth was being throttled by something like Packetshaper?

  • by eyeball ( 17206 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:28AM (#8917214) Journal
    As a copyright holder (for example, I create an independent film that I want to protect), what do you think would happen if I demand access to this system to do my own enforcement? What if every copyright holder in America had access to the system as well? No, we wouldn't have access to this system. Obviously such a system shouldn't be in place, but it's presence represents an unfairness to everyone except the MPAA.

    This is why we (used to) have a thing called due-process, to keep private entities from enforcing what they consider the law. But we all know due-process doesn't contribute to election campaigns.

    • by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:40AM (#8917394)
      I couldn't agree with you more, however I think you have forgotten that these days in the US, the concept of 'due-process' has be usurped by those who have sufficient money and influence as to be able to bypass the legacy safeguards which were designed to protect us from such evil.
  • simple to defeat (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:28AM (#8917216) Homepage
    the old napster trick of the rot13 of all the file names and or the piglatin changes or even reverse naming...

    hell simply rot-13 the entire mp3 file and they cant detect squat.

    what will be the best trick is for people to set up garbage throwers to make the damned thing give so many false positives that it is deemed useless...
    • Re:simple to defeat (Score:3, Interesting)

      by ultrasound ( 472511 )
      I would assume that the monitoring software searches all available peers, and then does one or more of the following

      a) Catalogs available file names and compares with list of copyrighted works

      b) Downloads part or all of a file and identifies using known file fingerprint or hash

      c) Searches files for embedded copyright information or digital watermarks

      If it only does (a), then it is relatively easy to defeat and once people are wise to it they wont get caught. If it does (b), then it is nescessary to appl
  • Computing Center (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Omega037 ( 712939 )
    At my college(which shall remain anonymous), we have a pretty crappy network. It isn't the physical lines or routers that cause massive amounts of downtown and lag, its the Computing Center who run hte network. However, one thing I know for sure is that the Computing Center will never implement this type of system. The big reason being: It's more work.

    Installing and managing such a system is just more work for them. Lesser reasons, such as added network instability, security issues(who stops the MPA
  • Oh, cool! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by .@. ( 21735 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:30AM (#8917233) Homepage
    How long until some worm is written that uses the automatic notice/account-disabling feature to systematically cause the disabling of every account in existence?

    Not long, I think.
  • Mistakes (Score:5, Interesting)

    by somethinghollow ( 530478 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:30AM (#8917246) Homepage Journal
    A friend of mine once got an e-mail from a company that was hired (presumably by the MPAA) to search P2P networks for copyrighted material and send a cease and desist e-mail.

    Basically, my friend had downloaded one of those 2 hour trailer loops thinking it was a movie, then forgot to delete it after he realized it was not the movie. The company sent him and e-mail, having looked at the title and not the content. He wrote them a pretty mean e-mail back.

    So, how does the software identify copyrighted music on P2P? Presumably it could do an MD5 hash against a master, but that would vary if, say, some time was cut off the end. They couldn't possibly account for all possible variations on a file. They could check ID5 information that is provided through the P2P metadata, but that can be wrong frequently. Finally, they can check the file name. But what if I took a liking to misnaming some of my own music?

    Without downloading the song and making an aural comparison (there is technology available that could discern, as AT&T Wireless is apparently using it, as was reported on /. previously), there is just no way to be sure. Downloading each track would suck up a ton of bandwidth. And other methods might show false positives (Not that the **AA care about the truth, otherwise they wouldn't be on this anti-P2P kick). If my college cut me from the network that I paid to use on a false positive, I'd be seriously pissed.
  • by Myself ( 57572 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:31AM (#8917255) Journal
    In other news, automated cameras have been installed, issuing tickets to those who run red lights in the middle of the night when there's no other traffic, including police, around.

    Vehicles have been equipped with "black box" devices, recording operations without the driver's knowledge or consent.

    Eavesdropping equipment has also been installed in new vehicles, giving the ability to listen in on the occupants at any time.

    Law enforcement uses special equipment to "see through" walls and observe the occupants inside a building, without a warrant because it's observable from the street.

    I started this post attempting to be sarcastic, but every terrifying example of surveillance I could come up with has already been implemented.

    We have always been at war with Eurasia.
    • Yes, but privacy issues are less of a concern when it requires money, effort, and manpower to execute. Your cops from the street example, a reasonable assumption is that unless the cops had significant evidence to do so, they wouldn't waste the resources to monitor *you*. In that way we are safe from undue privacy violations of that sort.

      The problem occurs when automated computer systems get involved, where it not only becomes possible, but efficient to monitor a very large percentage of the population for
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:33AM (#8917288)
    As a long term ISP and University network admin, people that let themselves be caught are a pain in my ass to enforce. They cost me money and time in terms of following up on these damn letters from the MPAA/RIAA, and they make me sit in meetings with worried lawyers regarding company or campus policy.

    As one who has also run a streaming media server since 2000, has downloaded mp3 since 1996, and ftp'd media around since 1992, all I can say is you people are idiots if you keep getting caught, and you're making my job hard, and I have no problem with laying the smack down.

    Figure out how to stay under the radar, AOL'ers and undergrads. That way everybody's happy. Your problem is you've had p2p file sharing handed to you on a platter since Napster and you expect it like a right.
  • Kick ass! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MrZaius ( 321037 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:34AM (#8917302) Homepage
    As much as the MPAA might suck, and as much as I'd hate to see this kind of technology employed in commercial networks, this would absolutely kick ass at my school.

    Finally, they'd be able to cut off the bandwidth caps and packetshapers. Finally, I'd be able to install Gentoo, download a free SHN-encoded album from archive.org, or grab the next OpenCD without waking up the next morning to a disabled network jack and having to bitch and moan until it's reopenned. Finally, I'd have a solid enough connection to get a decent round of UT2k3 in after class.

    Allowing network use policies to be enforced in a content-specific rather than cutting off legitimate uses of big chunks of bandwidth is a terrific idea.
  • There are legal uses (Score:2, Interesting)

    by uumlaut ( 768494 )
    Let's say I own a movie on VHS tape. Here at school, I don't have a VCR, so I can't watch my VHS movies. It is within my fair use rights, however, to format shift those tapes so that I can watch the movies. If i am too lazy, or don't have a VCR, I can simply download the movie. If people are not allowed to share the file, whether or not they actually have a legit license to it, it impedes my fair use right to format shifting under current US copyright law as established in "the betamax case"
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:34AM (#8917306) Homepage Journal
    Under section 512 of the federal Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), a representative of a copyright holder can send a "takedown" notice to a university or ISP requesting that copyrighted material be removed. Universities may be obliged to comply with such requests from copyright holders.

    Let's see what this means in minus-Internet terms:

    Let's say a school receives a complaint from the copyright holders that students are videotaping movies off the screen during routine movie shows in student theaters.

    Would it be right for the school to let the copyright holder send goons over to monitor the theaters with "anti-piracy" equipment and haul off offenders and slap him with a huge prison/fine sentence?

    Or would it be more prudent for the school to tell the copyright holders to fsck off and let them handle the situation on their own - and suspend the student or dole out a more suitable sentence - according to the school policies?

    This move by the MPAA stinks of highhandedness and interference with the school's internal matters - in this case - usage of the school network against Usage Policies.

    AFAIK most schools have very formal and complete network (or general campus facilities) usage policies which detail the punishments for misusing them. Why do we need MPAA and other corporate entities to police the campus when the school and campus law enforcement have been doing it very efficiently for the past few decades? Assholes (*)

  • How exactly would this work?
    Besides looking for traffic on certain ports, how could a program outside of my computer on a school network tell what I am downloading?

    Occasionally I use a program such as "Ares" to download a specific song or songs, because I like to make mix CD's out of music I already own, without having to rip all of my music to mp3 then burning it back to CD so I can listen to it in my car. I was under the impression that this was not illegal, since I already own it.

    I also have been using
  • by IshanCaspian ( 625325 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:38AM (#8917358) Homepage
    I could just write something that generates a false positive, perhaps by reverse-engineering the kazaa search mechanism, and spoof it from every IP on campus....I could shut down the entire campus network in 15 minutes. :)
  • The MPAA are justified IMHO in worrying about p2p use on campuses. There is really no argument that movie downloading is a problem for traditional cinema and DVD sales.

    But this attitude of "War on P2P" is a failure: it's a failure because framing the discussion in terms of right and wrong misses the point, it's a failure because it will alienate a generation of consumers and artists, and it's a failure because it will get in the way of developing long-term business models based more accurately on what people actually want and are willing to pay for.

    It's impossible to force people - through policing, through DRM, through marketing - to pay for something they can get for free. I can't think of any examples where this has worked. It's like the many laws that try to mandate what people can do in private (sex, drugs, rock'n roll). The laws sound fine, but they fail.

    The movie industry (like the music industry) must move to models of higher-volume, lower prices, and (most importantly) much lower internal costs. There is no reason why this business should have fatter profit margins than - say - retailing.

    The media industries will say that the risk and cost of promoting unknown artists or failed movies means they need fat profits on successful ones. But this is a circular argument: using the new distribution and promotion models that the Internet affords makes it _extremely_ cheap to produce and promote new talent.

    Anyhow, the pattern is classic: the industry will scream and kick, blackmail and sue, get government and industry support, and finally collapse as new young rivals (probably from other countries where vested interests form less of a barrier) storm the market with products that the consumer _really_ wants.
    • It's impossible to force people - through policing, through DRM, through marketing - to pay for something they can get for free. I can't think of any examples where this has worked.

      Hmmm. Last week I was over at my local computer store and I bought this nifty product called Mandrake Linux. Some idiot tried to convince me that I could download the thing for free off the internet. What an idiot. He obviously had some kind of grudge against the store.
  • BOFH (Score:3, Funny)

    by ThisIsFred ( 705426 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:42AM (#8917415) Journal
    Wouldn't it be far cheaper and easier to train a bastard operator to remove the files and hassle the users?
  • by Luminari ( 689987 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:43AM (#8917427)
    CNS allows them to automatically restrict or cut off Internet access for alleged infringers on notice from a record label or movie studio.

    It's nice to see no trial is necessary to make every student guilty. Guess that constitution thing doesn't apply unless your a corporate executive.
  • by robertjw ( 728654 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:45AM (#8917448) Homepage
    Wow, how long do you think it will be before this is abused.

    Enter one Melvin P. Thornowsky, CS major, geek with taped glasses and pants a little tight around the armpits. Of course, our hero has a HUGE crush on Miss Bambi Vanderbilt, sophomore member of the local Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority. Melvin finally gets the nerve up to ask the beautiful, yet not all that smart Bambi out. Of course, he goes down in flames.

    As revenge Melvin hacks Bambi's brand new laptop that her Daddy bought her and adds a nice pirated copy of "Flesh Gordon". Next time she hooks up to the campus network to check Cosmopolitan Online the MPAA Storm Troopers show up and take her to Jail. The whole Vanderbilt family is embarrassed, Bambi is disinherited and has to move in with Rocko, her secret boyfriend from the wrong side of the tracks.

    MPAA - ruining lives one campus at a time.
  • by Stavr0 ( 35032 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:54AM (#8917581) Homepage Journal
    Okay. Where can I download the source code? Coz acns.sourceforge.net and acns.freshmeat.net don't seeem to work.
  • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @11:58AM (#8917631)
    The article is mentioning the loss of billions of dollars to piracy. Again it looks like the assumption is if it wasn't pirated, a legal sale would have taken place. I have a nephew who was in school and is now in the military serving in Kuait. I have seen his MP3 collection. If each track was a $1 sale instead of piracy, the assumption is he would have spent more on music during his stay at college than I spent on my new car. When I was that age and bought LP's and Tapes (Pre CD's by many years) my collection never even aproached the value of the 10 year old beater I drove at the time. I would have liked to buy an albun a week, but price was prohibitive and still is. I bought about 1 record every 2 or 3 months at that age. That's only 4-6 /year. After a decade I had my modest library of about 50 albums (1 boxful). I don't know many people who have invested over $200/year in CD's with or without piracy. Most people I know have a modest CD collection of 100 or less titles for a lifetime collection of $2,000 tops.

    College students don't have the money in four years to outright buy new car that I have to get a loan for of many years. Piracy is an opentunistic act of copyright infringement, not theft. A college student with several thousand MP3's is not the theft of several thousand dollars of original recordings. They are cheap copies, not originals taken from rightful owners. Killing piracy of 1,000 tunes does not create the sales of 1,000 tunes at a buck each or create 1000 tunes now on the store shelves that weren't there for sale before. I doubt no matter how many copies iTunes sells of any song, they will have a sellout. Cost of duplication is cheap. The spin folks and the marketing folks both know this but are in denial.

    Other than the spin on the financial loss, the article was interesting in the war on piracy.

    I personaly buy less CD's now because I'm afraid of getting a non-returnable deliberatly defective disk. I look for the Compact Disk logo for compatibility with my rip-mix-burn setup and portable devices. There are very few CD's anymore with the Compact Disk logo. It makes shopping for a CD like panning for gold. There is lots of shiny stuff out there, but finding the real thing is getting harder as the supply dwindles. I now visit the DVD section instead of the useless CD section. It's money better spent.
    I'm currently enjoying Old Time radio which is now in the public domain. It's free.
  • A month or two.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Natchswing ( 588534 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @12:36PM (#8918175)
    I would give this a month or two before someone reverse engineers the program. Once the specs are out it will be real easy to remotely shut down entire computer labs at universities that are stupid enough to implement such a system.

    Once the worm is released that jumps from computer to computer, using the MPAA software to disable it (after spreading of course) the university admins will have to weigh the cost of fixing all the computers against hiring a lawyer to fight the MPAA.

  • by pdcryan ( 748847 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @01:05PM (#8918625) Homepage
    The only thing close to legal authorization for copyright self help came in the now doomed UCITA model law (Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act). Only two states (MD and VA) adopted the law, and even then (my understanding is) both of them amended it to not include the self-help provision.

    Even under UCITA, it required express consent by both sides. End users would have to agree to this remedy (which I suppose won't be hard in the university situation - because the campus ISP is the only game in town). If that happened, the act would authorize the content owning company to remotely shut you down, to prevent you from infringing. The idea was to let software vendors shut down dead beat software buyers who didn't pay up. Nobody seemed to like it (self help thankfully isn't too popular in general).

    Anyway - long story short, since most, if not all states expressly rejected this kind of industry self help - I wouldn't be surprised if a court took that to mean that the legislatures are not exactly on the self-help bandwagon (yet).

    That's how I'd fight this.
  • by lionchild ( 581331 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @01:06PM (#8918646) Journal
    If a university has spent the money to build a infrastructure that's worthwhile, and also have people to monitor it, why not save time and money for everyone and just have them use existing software to monitor what sort of traffic and activity is moving on their network? It's likely they have the software already, but simply don't have anyone checking it.

    It seems simple to me. Reports indicate that there is Kazaa activity on Port 123, you turn off that LAN port. The user no longer has LAN access, and must call someone to get it fixed. At this point, they're reminded that P2P activity is prohibited by university policy. This is their first warning. The next time they're caught, they'll have their port shut down for a month, and the third offense will have their port turned off permanently.

    If universities feel they have to play hardball in this area, doesn't this seem like a more logical, and wise way for them to do it, opposed to allowing someone else into their network, who has an agenda that doesn't match that of the university?

    (And on a side note, many universities have grant money for doing military research. I'm certain that the DOD would not apprecaite the *AA having any sort of 'monitoring' going on of potentially sensitive research data that might be travelling on the university network.)
  • by tbradshaw ( 569563 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @01:10PM (#8918696) Homepage

    The second that my university decides that the RIAA and the MPAA should be administering the network to decide if any violations are made, is the second I transfer to another university.

    I don't pay a huge "technology fee" just to have the wolves guarding the hen house. The MPAA and RIAA are a modern mafia, complete with government support.

    Attention Universities: Some of you should realize that there is a market for a bastion of freedom. I'd gladly pay a legal fee in my student fees/tuition if it meant I could be protected from fucking cartels like the RIAA and bullshit legislation like the DMCA.

  • by MyFourthAccount ( 719363 ) on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @01:34PM (#8919011)
    UCLA Helpdesk: Sup?
    Student: Seems my Internet is down.
    UCLA Helpdesk: Room?
    Student: 201
    UCLA Helpdesk: Hmm, lemme have a look.
    UCLA Helpdesk: Ah, yeah, says here that Jack's Car Shop's FAC-U system has detected a copyright infringment on your computer.
    Student: What? Jack's Car Shop?
    UCLA Helpdesk: Uhuh
    Student: So what's this FAC-U thing?
    UCLA Helpdesk: Friendly Automated Copyright-infringment Underpants.
    Student: Ex-abuse-me?
    UCLA Helpdesk: Just an underpants targetting system that checks for copyright infringement.
    Student: So what kinda copyright of Jack's Car Shop am I violating?!
    UCLA Helpdesk: Uh, I dunno. Don't worry, an expert from Jack's Car Shop will soon be over to have a look at your computer.
    Student: What's he gonna do?
    UCLA Helpdesk: They usually come with a USB key and need a little time alone with your computer.
    UCLA Helpdesk: You probably got nothing to worry about.
    Student: WTF? That's crazy. Are there any other companies that have such systems running here?
    UCLA Helpdesk: Doh, are you kidding me? Of course! Every company that owns intellectual property has one.
    Student: So Jack's Car Shop has intellectual property?
    UCLA Helpdesk: That's what he says.
    Student: And you just take his word?
    UCLA Helpdesk: Listen son, these systems seem to be working quite well, at the moment we have 2,314 infringments pending.
    Student: Dude, there's only 2,315 students here.
    UCLA Helpdesk: Yeah that's right, the other guy doesn't have a computer.
  • Solution: (Score:3, Informative)

    by The Master Control P ( 655590 ) <ejkeeverNO@SPAMnerdshack.com> on Tuesday April 20, 2004 @09:52PM (#8924589)
    Have all the p2p applications use a one-byte XOR bitflip at each end... the SAME one byte. Since you've now encrypted your digital information, it's illegal for anyone to break the "encryption," despite the fact that it stops no one from copying or wiretapping anything, because of that wonderful law that all good patriots support, the DMCA!

    Thus, if anyone tells you that you've been sharing, tell them that it's illegal for anyone to decrypt your digital transmissions without your permission. If anything, it's a perfect way to demonstrate what a bunch of bulls*it the DMCA is.

    If someone with a pair actually does go to court, they can simply point out that the (RI || MP) AA were breaking the law and that their case is therefore null and void. And you say that no good can come of it?

    Hateful responses? Death threats? Please direct all of them to my image consultants, the RIAA :)

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