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DRM Technology To Be Added To MP3 Format 515

Bob Zer Fish writes "Cnet News.com has a leading story saying that the venerable MP3 music format is getting a makeover aimed at blocking unauthorized copying. Thomson and Fraunhofer, the companies that license and own the patents behind the MP3 digital music technology, are in the midst of creating a new digital rights management add-on. Of course, there are current standards, but most are incompatible." An anonymous reader points to this brief mention as well.
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DRM Technology To Be Added To MP3 Format

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  • So What? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tassleman ( 66753 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:56PM (#8436411) Homepage
    Does this mean we have to use it? All my old MP3s will work just fine.
    • Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by michaelepley ( 239861 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:01PM (#8436458) Homepage
      They will work just fine until the mp3 format license requires the DRM add-ons and players start refusing to play music encoded without the DRM support.
      • Re:So What? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by oohgodyeah ( 719095 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:04PM (#8436479)
        I say it's time to start saving the setup files to the existing MP3 players w/o the DRM crap attached.
      • More insidious (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nuntius ( 92696 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:10PM (#8436534)
        Is when MS Media Player (or even Windows) automatically "upgrades" your MP3's for you. Unless you had good backups, all your MP3's are now DRM enabled.
        • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:30PM (#8436697)
          Hi my name is clippy, I see your playing non-DRM MP3s would you like me DRM enable them?
        • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 02, 2004 @12:27AM (#8437482)
          Captain: What happen?
          Mechanic: Someone set up us the update
          Operator: We get DRM signal
          Captain: What!
          Operator: WMP turn on.

          Captain: It's you!!
          RIAA: How are you gentlemen!!
          RIAA: All your MP3 are belong to us

      • Re:So What? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by jeffkjo1 ( 663413 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:13PM (#8436567) Homepage
        My VCR and DVD player both play things that are un-macrovisioned. I highly doubt that a company would build an mp3 compatible device with such a large limitation to only play encrypted music. What about those that encode their own music... as in music they made.

        Several government organizations (supreme court!) use mp3 as one of the means with which they provide transcriptions.
        • "Their own music" (Score:5, Informative)

          by tepples ( 727027 ) <.tepples. .at. .gmail.com.> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:25PM (#8436654) Homepage Journal

          What about those that encode their own music... as in music they made.

          If you record a song to which you do not own the copyright, you have recorded a cover song. If you distribute phonorecords (e.g. in MP3 format) of a cover song to the public, then you owe a royalty to the songwriter('s publisher). If you write your own song, record it, and distribute it, then you owe a royalty to the songwriter('s publisher) whose song you subconsciously copied. Subconscious copying is actionable infringement. Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music, 420 F. Supp. 177 (SDNY 1976) [columbia.edu]. Or do you know of a foolproof way to write music while preventing oneself from accidentally copying a copyrighted work?

          Several government organizations (supreme court!) use mp3 as one of the means with which they provide transcriptions.

          Granted. Works of the United States government enter the public domain upon publication.

          • by brunes69 ( 86786 ) <slashdot@nOSpam.keirstead.org> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:53PM (#8436836)

            If you write your own song, record it, and distribute it, then you owe a royalty to the songwriter('s publisher) whose song you subconsciously copied


            WTF? Is this supposed to mean that no one can create anything new anymore, because it has "all been done before" ?

            I know a large number of independant musicians and artists who would now like to beat your ass.

            Maybe if you would get your ears out of the Top 40 drivel, you'd realize there's still a lot of original content being created daily.

            • Is this supposed to mean that no one can create anything new anymore, because it has "all been done before" ?

              I once read a Slashdot journal entry that concluded that the chance of copying something copyrighted was so great that the risk of having to spend the funds to defend oneself in court wasn't worth it. The legal standard for copying is "access" (has the defendant heard the plaintiff's work even once?) plus "substantial similarity" (are they similar?); once Their Experts have presented strong evidence that the songs are in fact similar, you'll probably bankrupt yourself before you can get Your Experts to prove that you'd never heard the song.

              Oh here it is [slashdot.org].

          • Re:"Their own music" (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Samrobb ( 12731 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @11:05PM (#8436932) Journal
            Or do you know of a foolproof way to write music while preventing oneself from accidentally copying a copyrighted work?

            Unacompanied Sonata [american-webshop.com]

            (To avoid the inevetable off-topic moderation: this is a story about a young musical prodigy who is raised completely separated from any outside influences, so he can create "pure" music.)

      • Re:So What? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Fiona Winger ( 758088 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:19PM (#8436616) Journal
        Its also been rumored that Longhorn will try to incorporate some versions of Windows Media player that will only play DRM MP3's.
      • Re:So What? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by timeOday ( 582209 )
        How funny it would be if all the "where's OGG Vorbis support!?" people turned out to be 100% justified!

        But I doubt it. This is just going to be an obscure extension, like the encryption built into the .zip spec. There's no reason to adopt mp3+DRM. Other codecs already compress better, the only advantage of mp3 is that it's unrestricted and ubiquitous, and mp3+DRM is neither.

      • Re:So What? (Score:3, Funny)

        by mcocke ( 710952 )
        My wife and I own 2 MP3 players (Sony and RCA respectively) and I've converted every bit of music in the house to MP3s, from vinyl and 7" reels onward. I'll go thru all that again - to say nothing of throwing away almost $600.00 worth of electronics that work perfectly - the day hell not only freezes over but hosts the winter olympics. If the RIAA doesn't like that, they can kiss my hairy &%$.
    • Re:So What? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Espectr0 ( 577637 )
      Fast forward 5 years, wait until your cpu chip refuses to play non-DRM mp3 and you WILL care
    • One word (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Pan T. Hose ( 707794 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:12PM (#8436557) Homepage Journal

      Does this mean we have to use it? All my old MP3s will work just fine.

      One word: patents. They can start enforcing them whenever they want. (See www.mp3licensing.com [mp3licensing.com].) Remember Unisys patent on LZW compression? All my old GIFs was working just fine too, which didn't mean I could keep using them. Fortunately, now with zlib, PNG and Ogg Vorbis, this is not an issue this time.

  • One word... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UnassumingLocalGuy ( 660007 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:57PM (#8436415) Homepage Journal
    Ogg.
    • Re:One word... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by the_mad_poster ( 640772 ) <shattoc@adelphia.com> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:08PM (#8436513) Homepage Journal

      Yes, yes. Yap yap. Ogg ogg. Zippity doo da and the yellow-motherfucking-brick road.

      In case you haven't noticed, mp3 has made a successful push into the consumer market through concerted marketing efforts. Now, all the geeks can scream OGG! until they're blue in the face - hell, it's the first thing I thought of when I read this (followed closely by "why do I give a shit, I have plenty of mp3 encoding tools that will work just fine") - but nobody is listening.

      Not enough people in the mainstream consumer market are going to adopt Ogg because nobody will support it and they don't know to ask for it. Unfortunately, unless you're preaching to them, you're preaching to the choir.

      As usual, the ignorant consuming masses will continue to get raped on new technologies because they don't know any better and it's in various industries' best interests to keep them ignorant.

      Yippee freakin' ki-yay for capitalism at its shit-eating modern-American finest.

      The government really ought to just lock up the whole population for whatever reason happens to be most convenient, liquidate all their assets, and then turn them (the assets, not the populace) over to the various industry leaders. It's really the only thing that'll make them truly happy.

      • MP3 predated Ogg by years (AFAIK). So it has lots more "market share," if you will. Also, "mp3" has become synonymous with "music on the computer." It's like Kleenex. I can't recall off the top of my head a different brand of tissue paper. (But that example really only counts for a half point...)

        We mention Ogg so much because we honestly believe (at least I think so...) it to be at least as good as MP3. What's wrong with us wanting someone "big" to try to put it in the mainstream.

        So you can stop the vindi
      • by micromoog ( 206608 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:35PM (#8436732)
        Not enough people in the mainstream consumer market are going to adopt Ogg because nobody will support it and they don't know to ask for it.

        That, and because Ogg Vorbis is the worst fucking name of all time.

    • by RalphBNumbers ( 655475 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:10PM (#8436532)
      You do all realize there's nothing stoping anyone who feels like it from putting a DRM wrapper arround an ogg file, right?

      Just because some people sell music in a DRMed/encrypted version of some open format like MP3 or AAC doesn't automatically make that format evil.
    • by KalvinB ( 205500 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @11:42PM (#8437234) Homepage
      For developers it's not having to pay thousands in licensing costs. That's an easy sell. There's no reason for a developer to say "no" to Ogg. I have a plug and play DSound 8 class that plays Ogg. It's available at IcarusIndie.com

      But, until MP3 becomes annoying Joe User isn't going to care. There's really no way that companies are going to make it cost effective for the user to choose a more open format.

      What companies fail to realize (or think the DMCA protects them) is that if you can see or listen to it, you can rip it to any format you want. And unless you're silly and start flaunting your rips for the whole world to see, there's nothing they can do about it. Who's to say that sound blasting from your stereo is comming from an "unauthorized" rip?

      I say let them do their thing. The sooner they get going DRMing everything to death the sooner they go out of business under the weight of their own stupidity.

      They should just stick to frying the big fish and not worry about how many fish are in the sea. If Joe User can rip a CD, oh well.

      Ben
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:57PM (#8436419)
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  • by Fiona Winger ( 758088 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:57PM (#8436420) Journal
    Yet again, this will be a waste of valuable resources. We all know that any attempt at protection of unauthorized copying will fail. With today's standards of source codes being leaded and what not, someone from inside the company will surely provide a work around, but most likely, that won't be needed. Another genius will find some simple solution that works around the protection.
  • Ummmm.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iLL_L0gic ( 607165 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:58PM (#8436423)
    Why not just illegally trade the "old format" mp3s then? Or am I missing the totally obvious?
    • Re:Ummmm.... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by lightspawn ( 155347 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:10PM (#8436537) Homepage
      Why not just illegally trade the "old format" mp3s then? Or am I missing the totally obvious?

      Officer, arrest this man. He is obviously a user, and probably a dealer, of a terrorist-grade operating system weapon, capable of running audio playback software software (and undoubtedly encryption software too) not expressly authorized by the ministry of rights (MiniRight).

      Yes, I know it sounds like a joke, but so did the DMCA before 1998.

  • by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:58PM (#8436431) Journal
    to switch to Vorbis [vorbis.com]/FLAC [sourceforge.net]/et al
  • What? Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Liselle ( 684663 ) * <slashdot&liselle,net> on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:58PM (#8436432) Journal
    We have AAC/MP4, to name one, which is already superior to mp3 in quality, and ready-made for a DRM candy-coating. The only advantage mp3 really has at this point is penetration, and I'll wager that those days are numbered.
  • Useless (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tuxinatorium ( 463682 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:58PM (#8436435) Homepage
    It won't stop anyone from using the old mp3 format, much less from distributing old mp3s. And then any music that can be played can be ripped to standard mp3 with simple tools. This will have absolutely ZERO effect on piracy.
  • by zorg50 ( 581726 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:58PM (#8436436)
    but anything that makes the RIAA complain a little less is good in my book.
  • Of course (Score:5, Funny)

    by savagedome ( 742194 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @09:59PM (#8436441)
    We all knew this was coming. Madonna yelling in the mp3s was never going to be enough!
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:00PM (#8436444)
    Cnet News.com has a leading story saying that the venerable MP3 music format is getting a makeover aimed at blocking unauthorized copying.

    And I have a shiny sixpence in my pocket that says people will avoid the new "improved" version like the plague and stick to the older, user-friendly, non-RIAA-bullshit-encumbered version of the standard.
    • by kakos ( 610660 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:06PM (#8436498)
      I have a shinier sixpence in my pocket that says most people that use MP3s won't know the difference and will use it out of ignorance.

      For every anti-DRM nerd out there, there are 50 (or more!) common people that just want to listen to music.
      • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:21PM (#8436635)
        For every anti-DRM nerd out there, there are 50 (or more!) common people that just want to listen to music.

        Yep, I agree, people are mindless drones who'll buy players, then will buy music, then will play music and not think twice about it.

        Then one day, they'll change their player and the new one won't play the 3 year old music files they had bought, because the "standard" has changed, and since the previous standard was not open, they'll have to buy their music *again*. And that is when the drones wisen up and begin to hate the music industry and stick to older, more "illegal", but open file formats.
      • For every anti-DRM nerd out there, there are 50 (or more!) common people that just want to listen to music

        But the common people are the ones that use Kazaa and will totally miss the new mp3s because they won't be traded over p2p.
  • Hrmm.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Metallic Matty ( 579124 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:00PM (#8436445)
    Just one more reason I love ogg.

    Besides, someone will just find a way around this, there always is, nothing ever works long against these ingenius pirates.
  • by gotroot801 ( 7857 ) * on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:00PM (#8436447) Homepage Journal
    ...since Lame doesn't use the Fraunhofer codec, and is widely available for most major platforms.

    Honestly, has anyone even consciously *used* Fraunhofer's codec in the last four years for personal MP3 encoding?
    • Honestly, has anyone even consciously *used* Fraunhofer's codec in the last four years for personal MP3 encoding?

      What, other than every single person who has made MP3s with iTunes or MusicMatch?

      Cripes, man! Ever gone to a mainstream P2P network? LAME-encoded MP3s are the exceptions there, not the rule. I see far more Xing and FHG-encoded files on Kazaa and WinMX than LAME-encoded files.

  • not ogg again!! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AmigaAvenger ( 210519 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:01PM (#8436450) Journal
    I can hear all the geeks screaming how ogg is the best thing on the planet. only problem is hardware support is almost nonexistent... Yeah, there are a couple of devices, but by and large most devices support one or maybe two formats. mp3 and wma. mp3 is here to stay!
    • Did we not say that about tape cassettes, or VHS's? Sooner or later, I think there will be a transition to OGG, or some other format, and MP3 will become a thing of the past.
    • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:09PM (#8436522)
      I can hear all the geeks screaming how ogg is the best thing on the planet. only problem is hardware support is almost nonexistent

      Dude, you so don't understand the ogg philosophy.

      See, ogg is the true geek music format: it is therefore *expected* not to be widely supported, otherwise it'd be taken over by big bad corporations, taken on by the music industry, and it'd become well-known and geeks couldn't go about preaching the good word on how good it is to the ordinary pleb.

      Anyway, no need for ogg players, true geeks listen to Metallica just by reading the hex printout of the ogg files, printed with mpage -16.
    • Re:not ogg again!! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Cid Highwind ( 9258 )
      ...and you think those existing devices are going to support this new lobotomized mp3 format? Not a chance. MP3+DRM will require a whole new crop of music players that are built to deal with licenses and encryption.

      If you're going to rip your music to an incompatible format with little to no hardware support, you might as well pick ogg vorbis.
    • Rio Karma (Score:5, Informative)

      by BlastM ( 663010 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:14PM (#8436577) Journal
      The Rio Karma [riokarma.com], a 20GB HDD-based player, supports Ogg Vorbis AND FLAC, and gapless playback of these formats. It retails for around US$230, and is probably the most advanced DAP on the market.
  • Finally... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ryanvm ( 247662 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:01PM (#8436451)
    Good - perhaps this is what we've been needing to finally kill off MP3. Thomson and Fraunhofer are morons if they think this will help market share. The *only* compelling feature of MP3 over WMA or whatever is that you don't have to dick around with licenses for your MP3 playing hardware.

    Long live Ogg Vorbis.
  • What incentive? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by re-Verse ( 121709 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:01PM (#8436454) Homepage Journal
    I mean really... why would anyone, except those making a profit off of selling music, adopt this? I guess I can see someone shifting to a new format - lets say a lossless format came out with the same filesize of mp3, but with DRM, maybe people would tolerate it. But this.... this makes no sense? Its just plain old mp3 all over again! Its like saying Hey buy this new TV - its the exact same in every other way from your old TV except it punches you in the face every time you change channels to avoid commercials"

    Am i missing something here, or am I just stupid?
  • by Qzukk ( 229616 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:02PM (#8436469) Journal
    While they have been very willing to let anyone decode mp3s (charging royalties only for the encoders), there is nothing to keep them from announcing tomorrow that no more mp3 players can be made or released without this new DRM technology.

    And that they want a nickel for every download of a player.
  • Too Late (Score:5, Informative)

    by Lord Kano ( 13027 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:03PM (#8436475) Homepage Journal
    MP3 is so deeply entrenched in its current form, the public isn't going to switch. There are untold Terrabytes or even Petabytes of MP3s in the world that have no DRM. It's pure idiocy to think that people will just switch from the free and open (in their minds, if not truly in reality) format that MP3 currently is to another one.

    It's a waste of money to develop an add on and try to force it on the market. That won't happen.

    Then again, "Trusted Computing" might be enough to force people.

    LK
    • Exactly why... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Junta ( 36770 )
      RIAA would love this... MP3 is deeply entrenched, if they feel they can pull something off where at first glance on an online file, users won't know if it is DRM-enabled or not and confusion reigns, they will acheive greater market penetration for DRM-enabled files. Once user goes through effort to get mp3 only to end up with a DRM-crippled MP3, the industry expects the user will be too lazy/apathetic to 'rectify' the situation so long as user can listen to music him/herself. If a user has a DRM-enabled
  • by NotQuiteReal ( 608241 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:06PM (#8436492) Journal
    ... when you pry it from my cold, dead ears.

    Eeeeew, is that a plug of earwax?

  • by sahonen ( 680948 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:07PM (#8436503) Homepage Journal
    This will not destroy compatibility with existing MP3s, nor will it stop piracy from people ripping. They are just making a DRM-enabled MP3 format for online music stores to sell so that Fraunhofer can start getting the royalties it was trying to get in the first place when it started charging for the MP3 format. Microsoft is getting loads of cash for licensing WMA, and Apple is getting wads of greenies for licensing AAC, Fraunhofer is just trying to get in the game. There will still be MP3s without DRM, just like there are AAC and WMA files without DRM.
  • by c ( 8461 ) <beauregardcp@gmail.com> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:09PM (#8436526)
    Seems like it might end up doing to the MP3 format what record company DRM is doing to the CD... Creating a format where you don't know if you'll be able to play it until you hit "play".

    And if they can enforce DRM in authoring tools through nasty patent licensing, well, you can maybe kiss MP3 goodbye as a useful format.

    That sucks. The CD in my truck doesn't do OGG...

    c.
  • by notsoclever ( 748131 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:10PM (#8436535) Journal
    Of course, there are current standards, but most are incompatible
    The nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from.

    Why does Fraunhofer think that their "standard" is going to get any more acceptance than any of the other options?

  • Not Open Standards (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jfrumkin ( 97854 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:11PM (#8436549) Homepage
    The article mentions that the MPEG community and others are working on open standards. I believe they are talking about using variations of XrML as the standard Rights Expression Language (REL). ContentGuard, a company heavily backed by Microsoft, originally owned the rights to XrML, but has stated that they will not control the actual language. What ContentGuard is saying is that they hold patents which cover any type of implementation of any REL - so that while the actual "standard" might be open (lots of discussion points around this in and of itself), any IMPLEMENTATION of the standard is not open.

    So, is a non-open source implementatable standard actually an open standard? I would say not.
  • by mczak ( 575986 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:11PM (#8436553)
    Seriously, what's the point? MP3 as a codec is outdated. All new codecs (be it aac, ogg, or even, god forbids, wma9) are a BIG step above mp3 in the quality / compression ratio department.
    The only reason why everybody uses MP3 is exactly because of that, everybody uses it! But adding a DRM layer will make it incompatible to all existing (hardware/software) players, so why wouldn't you use a better codec for some shiny new drm scheme?
  • Well that's nice (Score:3, Interesting)

    by screwballicus ( 313964 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:13PM (#8436563)
    It being their business, they'd like to produce their own online music DRM scheme and get paid royalties for it. At the same time, they are not a manufacturer of devices which will be able to provide a presence for the format on the market or begin its popularisation. Furthermore, the most extremely popular and well liked online music distribution platforms already use existing formats. I doubt Apple is likely to change over to a third party licensed format. Understanding this, how can this possibly be feasible?
  • Support? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by phorm ( 591458 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:13PM (#8436572) Journal
    Caldwell said he expected to see devices and services supporting the protected MP3 format by the end of 2004

    But, will the new devices support the old format (and if not, why would those with massive Mp3 collections buy them), and will the new format work on old devices (again, why would those with old devices use this format).

    It seems really that they're shooting themselves in the foot, but I'll be glad when that means my next deck for the car should support OGG.
  • by buss_error ( 142273 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:15PM (#8436585) Homepage Journal
    "Cnet News.com has a leading story saying that the venerable MP3 music format is getting a makeover aimed at blocking unauthorized copying.

    Note that it says "unauthorized" copying. Not illegal copying, UNAUTHORIZED copying. Want to listen to it on RIO? Pay a fee. Computer? Pay a fee. Transfer to CD? Pay a fee.

    Again, the simple solution to broken music is to NOT BUY IT. The people in RIAA are real smart. As soon as no one buys their crapware, they'll quit trying to shove it up our a$$.

    • by LordK3nn3th ( 715352 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:21PM (#8436631)
      That's why it's called DRM. So they can 'manage' your rights.
    • by NSash ( 711724 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:26PM (#8436663) Journal
      As soon as no one buys their crapware, they'll quit trying to shove it up our a$$.

      No, they'll blame pirates.

    • by jnicholson ( 733344 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:40PM (#8436755) Homepage
      The people in RIAA are real smart.

      I have yet to see any evidence of this.

    • by bigberk ( 547360 ) <bigberk@users.pc9.org> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:58PM (#8436863)
      Again, the simple solution to broken music is to NOT BUY IT. The people in RIAA are real smart. As soon as no one buys their crapware, they'll quit trying to shove it up our a$$.

      Exactly! Don't buy RIAA music. Download your shit online, use filesharing applications with bandwidth-limiting enabled so you are harder to detect. Change the default port numbers. Use obscure file sharing apps. Set up a node on freenet. Complain to your ISP and threaten to leave if they poo-poo P2P use. Teach others how to use file sharing properly. Avoid using file sharing at school, university, or work. Support BitTorrent by leaving your client running well after you're done downloading. Don't leave your filesharing apps unattended 24 hours a day. Keep your host free of viruses. Keep your music collections clean of tainted files or corrupt downloads.

      We're slowly killing the big record labels... keep up the good work. I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to see these evil bastards go poor.

      • by Ogerman ( 136333 ) on Tuesday March 02, 2004 @01:38AM (#8437921)
        Exactly! Don't buy RIAA music. Download your sh** online

        What you describe is only half-right in terms of solving the problem of a corrupt entertainment industry. The correct solution is this: Don't buy RIAA music but support independent / local / non-RIAA artists. That's right -- don't even share RIAA crap. Doing so only makes it more popular - and thus keeps people buying CD's and merchandise, watching MTV, and going to RIAA-artist concerts. And. incidentally, Hollywood is another good boycott target. Don't want DRM-laden HD-DVD's and HDTV components? Stop buying today's DVDs and going to every movie that hits the theaters! Cancel your ridiculous cable/satellite premium package! These people can do evil things only because YOU enable them with your dollars.

        Look to software as an example. The answer to Microsoft's monopoly is not warez sites; it's Open Source. And it's working.

        When alternatives exist to fight corruption, the legal one should be chosen first--not necessarily because the law is just, but because it's the easiest path. Unjust laws can be changed far more easily after monopolists have lost the reins.
  • by dj245 ( 732906 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:17PM (#8436605) Homepage
    Try the new MpDRM! Now loaded with 50% more crap, 100% more agony, and 500% more incompatability than the equally obscure mp4. MpDRM! Because less really is more, if you live at the RIAA.
  • by Scott.Simpson ( 303763 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:27PM (#8436670)
    Trying to make bits not copyable is like trying to make water not wet.
  • Oh, Golly, Gee... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Snork Asaurus ( 595692 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:32PM (#8436712) Journal
    ...there's another format that's consumer friendly and sounds better to boot.

    Obviously the new format won't affect the legacy, but it might pollute the waters.

    History lesson: Anybody here remember .arc ? Probably not - when its owners flexed their tiny muscles, it disappeared in a .zip. Yes, I know it was for different reasons, but the point is that in this digital age, things can adapt in a flash.

  • Stupid scenario (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AvengerXP ( 660081 ) <jeanfrancois,beaulieu&mckesson,ca> on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:36PM (#8436739)
    Copyrighting music is just plain stupid

    "Hey man, put your jack in here to listen to my iPod this tune is great"

    "Sorry dude, i don't own the rights to that song, maybe another time".

    "Are you sure, here i'll put it on my portable speakers"

    "NOOO I DONT HAVE THE RIGHTS AND NEITHER DO THESE PEOPLE ARGH MY MORAL CONSCIENCE"

    (falls on floor in convulsions)

    Can you imagine that? Come on. If you like Open Source so much, i believe you might want the same to music. I agree with protecting your hard work but it's getting out of hand.
    • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Tuesday March 02, 2004 @12:52AM (#8437623)
      At least, not as copyright law was orignally written and not as the constitution intends it to be.

      The part of the constitution that allows copyright and patent laws to be created is Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 8 which reads: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"

      Now as orignally written and enforced, they did just that. You'd make a creative work and get a copyright for 14 years, which you could extend once. During that time nobody could go and copy the work without your permission. This allowed you to profit from it. Remember, the U.S. is a highly capatalistic country so profit motive is important. Then, after your copyright expired, your work became the property of the people.

      28 years was a good long time to profit, I mean that's over a quarter of even a long life. However it ensured that your work would fall into the public domain in a reaonable amount of time. You couldn't horde control over it forever, just for awhile. The idea being, of course, that it would encourage people to create, since there was an ecenomic incentive.

      Also, your control wasn't absolute. You just got to control who was allowed to make copies. You couldn't control everything. People could resell copies they had legitimately purchased. Copies of portions could be made for education. People (or libraries) could loan a copy to a friend, then take it back later, and so on. This is what is collectively refered to as Fair Use.

      There was not a problem with this system. It gave profit motive, which is important in a capatalism, for creative works and saw to it that society reaped the benefit.

      The problem is with how copyright laws have changed. First there is the problem of extension. It is getting to the point of stupid how long a copyright lasts. Right now it's the lifetime of the author plus 50 years. Are you kidding me? How the hell does the +50 years have to do with profit motive for the author, not to mention that it flies in the face of the "limited times" clause.

      Then there is this concept that you don't actually own the rights to do anything with the copy you buy. You can't use it in ways the author doesn't like, you can't trade it, sell it, etc. Well the law hasn't actually changed to say that, they just passed a new law, that says those things can be forced on you technologically and there's jack you can do about it. This of course clearly flies in the face of the "To promote the progress of" clause.

      THAT'S the problem. Copyright is a good, and necessary, idea for a capatalistic country. It might intrest you to know that copyright is the reason the GPL can exist and be legally enforcable. With no copyright, the GPL would be worthless.

      What's bad is that copyright is being twisted to add levels of control that are not intended or allowed by the constitution.
  • by ZackSchil ( 560462 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:45PM (#8436788)
    Welcome to the hall of corporate shame Mr Thomson and Mr Fraunhofer! Help yourself to the complimentary Crystal Pepsi and New Coke. In a few minutes, a waiter will swing by of a Segway with some Doritos 3D's and we'll start off the welcoming ceremony by awarding you metals made from recycled metric highway signs from the 70s. and top it off with a back to back showing of Gigli, Kangaroo Jack, and Glitter.
  • by krray ( 605395 ) * on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:45PM (#8436793)
    I'm so glad right now that I drink Pepsi. Even after their lovely promotion I'll continue to purchase iTunes AAC locked type format. It's easy enough...

    Download.
    Import with Quicktime
    Save as AIFF
    Import to iTunes
    Convert AIFF to MP3
    Copy over the tag and delete M4P and AIFF files.

    (hint: easy enough to automated through Applescript :)

    And frankly I can't tell the difference from a original CD to their AAC format to the newly converted MP3 file. As long as it passed my ear test I'll just stick with their DRM scheme and work right around it (the day I can't is the day I stop buying).

    Of course with tools like AudioHijack ... if I can hear it I can copy it (heck, on a Mac the same applies that if I can see it [motion or otherwise] I can copy it :)

    Bah -- DRM.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:49PM (#8436819)
    " They will work just fine until the mp3 format license requires the DRM add-on"

    Sure. And all those millions and millions of MP3 players out there already will stop working.

    They tried this before with the SuperMP3 or whatever they called it. Sank without a trace. Made the titanic look like a "good idea".

    Sorry, Fraunhaufer, the genie is out of the bottle on MP3. There are "free" implementations, and 10's of millions of licensed players out there already.

    If I'm going to go licensed, might as well use a codec like AAC.
  • Some predictions (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 01, 2004 @10:50PM (#8436828)
    Some predictions:

    (1) The P2P community will reject the use of the ".MP3" suffix on the new DRM-crippled files. ".MP3" will continue to mean the full-featured format, and something else will be adopted (by informal consensus) to label the crippled files. Expect a new generation of P2P clients that will do this suffix-renaming automatically.

    (2) The owners of the MP3 format will want to (eventually) start forbidding the playback of non-crippled MP3 files. (Without this, there's no way that the DRM-crippled version will catch on.) This will result in:

    (a) a huge demand for black-market "original" MP3 software (codecs, players, etc.), and,

    (b) Microsoft will fight hard to make sure that MediaPlayer doesn't end up rendered useless by new MP3 licensing that forbids playback of non-crippled MP3 files. This fight could get very nasty.

  • by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Monday March 01, 2004 @11:06PM (#8436936) Homepage Journal
    Any incompatibility this DRM upgrade introduces to MP3 is an opportunity to switch to a better codec. Unencumbered by DRM, patents, religious wars, brand stigma, merely adequate compression ratios and audio quality. If the alternate codecs/ players community is ready for the opportunity, this will be the best thing to happen to music playing since, well, MP3.
  • In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdougNO@SPAMgeekazon.com> on Tuesday March 02, 2004 @02:27AM (#8438196) Homepage
    Owners of Everything Decide to Indenture the Rest of Us for Life

    Ungrateful sods and copyright pirates to be imprisoned, executed. "You're lucky to have those jobs we provide you with," says spokesperson for owners of everything.

"Being against torture ought to be sort of a multipartisan thing." -- Karl Lehenbauer, as amended by Jeff Daiell, a Libertarian

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