CRIA Prepares To Sue P2P Copyright Violators 383
ergo98 writes "The Canadian version of the RIAA, the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association), has begun laying the PR groundwork for an initiative similar to that pursued by the RIAA in the US - threatening to file lawsuits against individual file sharers (specifically uploaders). They claim that CD sales have dropped by 23 per cent since 1999, attributing that drop to P2P, and apparently it isn't enough that the Canadian music industry gets a hefty presume-you-are-a-criminal levy attached on various devices and media."
Many readers also point to the Globe and Mail's version of the story. dsanfte writes "They will apparently only be targetting uploaders, because in the Copyright Board's judgement, P2P downloading is legal under Canadian law."
Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:4, Insightful)
Class. Action. Lawsuit.
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:5, Insightful)
Levy -> higher prices for consumers -> less sales -> less profits
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:3, Insightful)
but that uploader doesnt necessarily have to be canadian.
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:3, Informative)
As always, RTFA [zdnet.co.uk], or here [techcentralstation.com] (from a previous Slashdot story), or Canadian Copyright Law [justice.gc.ca].
Indeed, it appears to be legal to download copyrighted songs in Canada, even according to copyright experts and internet law experts. It hasn't been tested in court yet, but it seems prosecutors believe it is legal too so they won't prosecute.
But as the article states, uploading (broadcasting) is clearly illegal. So as long as we C
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:2)
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm not Canadian, but it seems to me the CRIA gave up any right to complain about citizens sharing music amongst themselves when they got their levy on media.
yes.... (Score:5, Insightful)
xao
Re:yes.... (Score:2)
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"....because cd sales drops have nothing to do with things like slow economies, declining quality in music, overpriced cds....."
Music quality is a constant; the good-stuff-to-crap ratio is about the same today as it was ten or twenty or thirty years ago. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be: we tend to think of the 1970's as the decade of Dark Side of the Moon or The Long Run or (insert your favorite classic 70's album here), but there was a LOT of crap back then, too. We've just pushed it out of our memory. The recent huge drop in CD sales can't easily be attributed to music quality, as it's a constant.
Music pricing is another constant. In fact, in the USA, it's gone down a bit. The average price of a CD is down to $13.50 in the US. In 1984, $9.99 was considered a decent price for an LP. That would be $17.30 in 2002 dollars. So, again, the recent huge drop in CD sales can't be attributed to pricing alone, as it's a constant.
This leaves the economy. In one way the economy is definitely a big cause, as an unemployed person may be more liable to resort to pirating music than the same person would if they still had a job. But it's tough to blame the drop in CD sales entirely on the economy, for a couple of reasons: other forms of entertainment (including those that aren't piratable) haven't dropped nearly as much, and while the economy has had its ups and downs over the past several decades, this drop in CD sales is unprecedented.
Claiming that the utter explosion in music piracy over the past few years has absolutely no effect on CD sales is a phenomenon that I call "ignoring the elephant" -- that is, the two-ton elephant in the room wearing a shirt labelled "music piracy." The drop in sales is likely due to many factors, piracy being one of them, but this is a complex issue not easily solved by simple bromides like "it's the economy."
And, of course, economy or not, if the Canadian record companies think that piracy is part of the problem, it's their prerogative to do something about it. Sure, lowering CD prices, working with legitimate download sites, and education are key as well, but sometimes you've just got to kick some ass.
Re:yes.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course, this is all anecdotal
Re:yes.... (Score:3, Interesting)
The computer game market is still going up, up, up, also, so there are at least 2 different entertainment genres in direct competition with music. There is only so much mo
Re:yes.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Disguise it all you want, music has declined.
(Ready for the real shocker? I'm 16.)
Re:yes.... (Score:3, Insightful)
In other words, you're looking at it with three decades of space in between, and probably have never heard the vast majority of the music from that time period, which -- like always -- was crap.
Don't mistake your preference for certain music for being evidence of that music's quality. Do you listen to classical music? Jazz? Gregorian chants? If not, do you deny that there is quality to be found among them?
There are some talented musicians today. Yes, even ones u
Of course you're 16 (Score:3, Insightful)
Those of us who were ACTUALLY AROUND in the 70s know what the parent post was talking about. You're just deciding the 70s had more gold, because it's 2003 and you can look back on it and name all the good bands. Meanwhile, there were tons of top ten, disco-pop bullshit acts.
Today, we have bands that you list as bad which many people consider good--Green Day, Good Charlotte, not to mention everyone from The Strokes to Opeth to Metallica to Foo Fighters to A Perfect
Well I can tell you one change I notice (Score:3, Informative)
So what about DVD sales and movie prices? (Score:5, Informative)
In 1984, Movies cost around $100cdn to buy, IIRC. I see lots of DVD movies in Walmart for $14.99-24.99, including new and popular films. A large majority are priced cheaper than the movie soundtracks, something that always makes me chuckle.
I can put a collection of a years worth of "popular" and "pseudo-popular" programs on a couple DVDs. If uploading is quashed, then a much harder to regular and control sneekernet will quickly be established in schools. It's not that hard to do.
One thing I have been waiting for is a small device for doing PTP sharing in public. It would be unstoppable in a setting like a school - integrating 802.11 into an iPod is not technologically a difficult problem. I can imagine it giving people strokes in the record industry though - not just schools, but think subways, whatever.
Once the public has decided there is nothing wrong with 'free' music - then guess what, there probably will be free music. There effectively is now - think to the radio. There is no reason musicians cannot make money touring. There is good entertainment value in records. What will change, is the luxury offices for RIAA executives and private jets for the metallicas of the world will end.
This fight has never been about music copying. They're scared shitless of losing the distribution and production channels.
Re:yes.... (Score:3, Insightful)
While you have a point, I think you are unjustified in claiming that music quality is actually constant. First, music quality is a subjective factor. Those who think music quality has declined in recent years are correct, though, and no doubt it means they buy less new music. Some others may like new stuff, but even saying
Re:yes.... (Score:5, Insightful)
A CD that isn't released will sell ZERO copies
The RIAA is pushing formula music and not releasing as many titles, and it's the bands that haven't made it big that are getting hit the hardest. Some of these bands could have been this years big run away hit, but they never got recorded because they didn't have the formula sound the RIAA is looking for.
Re:girls that have to be 1/2 naked to sell cds (Score:2)
Great albums. Cover art didn't sell these. The content did.
There were some acts whose cover art did sell a few albums. Remember Cheech and Chong's unique Still Smoking album? The best part was after you bought it and opened it. Suprise! It was a great laugh and very unique.
Re:yes.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Assign weights to each as you deem fit.
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Re:yes.... (Score:2, Interesting)
the people still out of work, remind the ones that are still working that "we ain't out of the woods"
and while consumer spending _is_ up, buyers are very fickle right now. and with the riaa doing a nice job of making nice with the general public, don't be surprised when they've effectively stopped p2p, and people STILL AREN'T buying their tripe.
if it takes the destruction of the music industry, before we get a new paradigm,
so be it.
a lot of ppl better start learning how t
Re:yes.... (Score:4, Funny)
I remember years ago, you'd be hard pressed to catch even the hits you want to hear. Now turn on the radio and there it is, right for your listening pleasure. So why would I bother buying the CD? Why even bother downloading it?
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Hmm... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry. I didn't know you had it that bad up there.
Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sorry. I didn't know you had it that bad up there.
It's gotten better since you took Celine Dion off our hands... can't thank you enough for that one!
Re:Hmm... (Score:2)
He meant... (Score:2)
I honestly don't know how international law would affect this, or even if such a thing is technologically possible, but jurisdiction issues would be a nightmare. What, would they have to involve Interpol? Would the court systems from either country really allow a lawsuit to proceed when the crime was committed in
That's it, I'm moving to Canada! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:That's it, I'm moving to Canada! (Score:3, Funny)
it makes little difference (Score:5, Interesting)
What about this though, someone creates a virus that intentionally leaves a limited back-door into your system. This lets anyone log on, look at media files on your computer and download them.
Then you never made your files available for sharing, the downloader is liable for breaking into your computer, but it just happens that you don't want to lay any charges.
If only there was a way to get a virus onto a windows computer without people being seen to knowingly install it...
Re:it makes little difference (Score:5, Insightful)
there's some progs that install on your computer without your consent that always turn the uploading on(i don't remember how exactly these programs spread, but iirc it was a bug in kazaa itself, which may or may not be close. also i suspect that people would leave such backdoored
Re:it makes little difference (Score:2, Interesting)
But.. how can half of a 2 way process be illegal? It seems to me this is similiar to it being legal to buy something but illegal for someone to sell it to you. Im probably missing an obvious example of this but I cant think of any now.
I think lawyers do stuff like this on purpose to increase the demand for themselves.
Re:it makes little difference (Score:3, Interesting)
Jurisprudence.
There's no way, unless videotaped or via some sort of audio record of your wrongdoings, to prove that you intentionally and wilfully acquired something illegal.
It is, however, your responsibility to ascertain that acquired merchandise is owned by the provider.
However, due to the previous item, you can not be liable for acquiring a product that was wrongfully acquired by the provider.
An example of this is buying a packaged CD or a pair of j
What about this... (Score:2)
Assuming that people will be okay with this is very far from a safe bet.
live with dust or 'on the edge' !! (Score:3, Interesting)
MP3's on my iPod always stay nice and shiny, and follow me everywhere i go!!
Canada needs iTMS soon, because i still have a bit of cash in my budget for my favourite tunes!
Re:live with dust or 'on the edge' !! (Score:2)
Most people would rather have an unlimited subscription to a large library rather than buying a few CD's.
Now a question for those over 30;
How often to you listen to music in your library over 5 years old. I bet most have some CD's you just never get around to listening to anymore. I know I have a few I haven't listened to fo
Re:live with dust or 'on the edge' !! (Score:2)
At this point I haven't bought an album in nearly five years (yup!). To tell you the truth, I don't
Re:live with dust or 'on the edge' !! (Score:2)
Quick Primer (Score:5, Informative)
It is not legal to MAKE copies of content you own, and distribute it to friends (or strangers).
This is why downloading is legal (you're 'borrowing' a copy, and copying it), but uploading is illegal (you're copying what you presumably own, and distributing it.)
We pay additional taxes on media to support this system. I think its just gone up again, with MP3 players now being taxed as they represent blank media on which you might copy somebody else's content.
This is my udnerstanding of our system. Corrections are invited.
Re:Quick Primer (Score:5, Informative)
The levy price did not go up; the actual prices stayed the same. You can read about it here [canadagazette.gc.ca]
MP3 player's are now being taxed, which is new. The gist of the protection is that you may fundamentally circumvent copyright if you give away the original, and you are permitted to keep copies, from my understanding. So you may make a copy of a CD, keep the copy, and give away the original CD, and not have violated the rights of the copyright holder.
The essence of this, distinguished from "real" copyright violations, is that you can only give away the original once, and so you cannot mass produce the effect of that lost copyright. Or so my understanding goes
Re:Quick Primer (Score:5, Informative)
"On March 19, 1998, Part VIII of the (Canadian) Copyright Act dealing with private copying came into force. Until that time, copying any sound recording for almost any purpose infringed copyright, although, in practice, the prohibition was largely unenforceable. The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). In addition, the amendment made provision for the imposition of a levy on blank audio recording media to compensate authors, performers and makers who own copyright in eligible sound recordings being copied for private use."
-- Copyright Board of Canada: Fact Sheet: Private Copying 1999-2000 Decision [cb-cda.gc.ca]
Seems like sealand [demon.co.uk] will be the one place to upload anything sooner or later.
Re:Quick Primer (Score:2)
Re:Quick Primer (Score:2)
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/ s tory/ROC/20031212/2003-12-13T002411Z_01_N12402633_ RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-MEDIA-CANADA-COPYRIGHT-COL [globeinvestor.com]
Wait a damn minute.... (Score:2, Funny)
My head hurts just thinking about that.
Re:Wait a damn minute.... (Score:2)
Re:Wait a damn minute.... (Score:2)
Re:Quick Primer (Score:2)
While I'm sure there are arguments that simply posting a file via p2p is not distributing, it is merely...shall we say...making available...I would argue that the uploader is NOT copying. The downloader is actually making the permanent copy (yes, I suppose that the uploader must send a copy of the bits out over the wire, yadda yadda, but the
Re:Quick Primer (Score:2)
This uploading/downloading part is what I don't get. Where do they think the downloads come from? Under the analogy that downloading is the 'borrowing', wouldn't me sharing my files just be the 'allowing you to borrow', as opposed t
Re:Quick Primer (Score:2)
>movie, etc) from a friend (or stranger), and copy it for your own personal use.
The Decision by the board is interesting. It legitimizes private copying as long as 2 conditions are met:
* the copy must be made for private use (as defined in section 80 of the Copyright Act)
* it must be made into "an audio recording medium" (as defined in section 79... of the Copyright Act).
I have read the Board Decision, and it is clear that it allows people private co
Stay out of trouble by downloading legal music (Score:5, Interesting)
Please copy and distribute this article. It has a Creative Commons license.
its ok (Score:2, Insightful)
Patronage and Canadian vs American Judicial System (Score:2)
In Canada supreme court officials are appointed by the goverment, similarily to the U.S.. The goverment is full of politicians, just like in the U.S.. Where things differ is that campaign contributions to politicians is capped, so CRIA and other lobby groups can't funnel millions of dollars of money into our politicians pockets. ("no strings attached" of course)
Now, it is rather difficult to get rid of a supreme court official once appointed. However it is also true that, just like i
A new legal P2P Music Sharing system for Canada? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm very very tempted to write such a program. We pay the levy anyway, might as well take full advantage of it. I just don't want to loose my house, business, etc when I get sued.
mod parent up (Score:2)
You are my HERO. Let me know [mailto] if you want some help or a PHP coder/scriptor/dbguy.
Re:mod parent up (Score:2)
Xtal's Pissed Off Music Kiosk (Score:5, Interesting)
Under the current law, so long as I do not make any money, it is legal for someone to come up to this Kiosk and make all the copies they want. If this bullshit continues without the CDR levy being dropped, and my lawyer agrees with my interpretation of the law - I might just do this.
How is this any different than uploading a ripped version of the CD anyway?
Nice idea (Score:2)
Still, not a bad theory to start with.
Should taxpayers pay for this? (Score:5, Interesting)
Should taxpayers really pay police, FBI, etc. for playing collection agent for the RIA?
Re:Should taxpayers pay for this? (Score:2, Funny)
Ha! You only voted to get your preferred political candidate into office. They paid. Guess who gets the silver service.
Recording Industry vs. World - round 2. Ready, ste (Score:5, Interesting)
So, USA people, welcome to Russia!
Hmm...could be a good idea for business... "Fuck RIAA, buy our exclusive 'Russia CD-Tour'.".
Re:Recording Industry vs. World - round 2. Ready, (Score:2)
Fair enough... (Score:5, Interesting)
I thought the justification for the levy was to legitimise downloading mp3s? If they now want to get rid of that "service", where's the justification for the levy? Maybe they're trying to pull another scam like when CDs were new;
1980s
1. raise prices because of set-up costs
2. forget to lower after making money back
3. profit
2000s
1. raise prices because of mp3 traders
2. forget to lower after putting traders in jail
3. profit
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Re:Fair enough... (Score:2)
Uploaders though are distributing something of value for free, without have any right or permission to do so.
If you disagree with the idea of copyright, fine. Attack the law. But complaining that they're actually enforcing it is pretty weak.
Re:Fair enough... (Score:4, Insightful)
now that they are active pursuing uploaders, demanding a levy seems even more ridiculous than before. imagine that they are successful and no one uploads any more and downloads stop, how can the levy be justified?
it would be like the government deciding that they should collect tax on sales of drugs while simultaneously prosecting the people selling the drugs.
you can't have your cake and eat it.
I AM CANADIAN (Score:2)
I knew I was Canadian for a reason! Time to go download Photoshop and all the mp3s I want. And in other news, I'm getting medicinal marijuana for my sleep apnea. I'm going to be happy as a pig in shit! I might even *think* I'm a pig in shit.
Another wonderful idea. (Score:3, Interesting)
This law would ignore the fact that blank CDs are used for mostly legitimate reasons, because piracy, being worse than murder or rape, should be handled under a no-fucking-around policy. And all books should be burned. And all people whose skin is not within 0.0000000000001% tolerance of a specific shade should be hung.
Subpeonas (Score:5, Insightful)
How does the Canadian RIAA plan to track down these uploaders without names, addresses and phone numbers from ISPs?
Of course, once we sign on to the FTAA, we will be forced to ratify it and adopt the insane IP provisions of that "free trade" agreement, including jail terms for file swappers, making open source software outright illegal, and allowing corporations to copyright everything except 12 distinct processes (ex calendars). I'm really looking forward to the human genome being copyrighted and having to pay licensing fees for my very existance.
I can't believe it! I'm *actually* planning on voting NDP in the next federal election, despite the fact that I'm a small "c" conservative. That would have been unthinkable for me as recently as two years ago. This fact that our government is whoreing us to virtually criminal organizations like the RIAA/MPAA and Microsoft makes me sick to my stomach.
Entrapment? (Score:3, Interesting)
How does the CRIA prove copyright infringement without having been responsible for causing the infringement in the first place?
simple answers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:simple answers (Score:3, Insightful)
You would have been correct if you had just said "Does the legal system currently permit you to distribute this music?" Of course, that would also be completely empty. The law should be what is right; something doesn't become right by being law. The legal system is very flui
Re:simple answers (Score:5, Insightful)
And that's where a lot of people, including "real" artists, disagree with you. They don't have a selfish control-freak mentality, or hold The Law up as holy scripture set in stone, but they still manage to make a nice living without trying to enforce artificial scarcity or restrict people from standing on their shoulders.
The fact is that "intellectual property" is only something that can be owned as long as you NEVER let it out of its cage to infect other minds and culture. If it does get out, then the creation will only be respected in so far as society respects you and/or the old social contract (perpetual copyright).
IMNSHO, progress won't slow one bit just because it's no longer possible to enforce artificial scarcity. [firstmonday.dk]
"The economy of the future will be based on relationship rather than possession. It will be continuous rather than sequential." -- John Perry Barlow, co-founder of the EFF
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Re:simple answers (Score:2)
Re:simple answers (Score:2)
Because society decided long ago to allow creators of art control of their intellectual property for a limited time after which it would fall into the public domain. Without this social contrct artists would not be afforded the possibility to create new work for a living. Before this guilds protected artists and wealthy patrons paid them handsomely to sculpt, compose and paint. The thought of trying to pass off a master's
News from the CRIA web site (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps this indicates a lower limit of who they will be targeting, people who have four thousand songs available to share? Yes? Maybe?
Cut out the middleman (Score:2, Insightful)
The recording industry is a dinosaur in the post meteor strike world. Ample bandwidth on the internet makes distribution a breeze. Why pay for the fuel to truck CD's accross the country/seas/etc? If artists were to record their own music and distribute directly to the customers via the internet a
Give yourself a voice (Score:2)
Come and help put the people back in charge of our laws.
Who cares? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
Canada [cia.gov].
Listen to iRATE radio instead (Score:2)
We need new laws (Score:3, Interesting)
CRIA: An acronym gone wrong ... (Score:2)
If this was a Ricci Lake forum, the title of this article would probably be "How to turn your RIA from a CRIA into a tryer!"
Philosophy (Score:2, Interesting)
'$'.
And that decision is : "Sue everyone, make cash, everyone's a pirate, screw personal rights".
In the long run, fair use and personal private copies and yadayadayada will not mean anything because of the said character.
It isn't the same as the US - thankfully (Score:4, Insightful)
Sometimes there are external (to Canada) influences that clog up the works and slow things down. Other times they do something that demonstrates the "law of unintended consequences" quite nicely ;)
We have pretty much recognized gay marriage
We are working on de-criminalizing (note: not legalizing) pot (much to the consternation of the US DEA - one of those external influences we get)
We recognized that "private copying" was a fact and was not likely to go away - so came up with the Blank Media Levy [pacdat.net] which might actually be a reasonable solution if the Copyright Board continues to show restraint
I make no guess as to what our dear government will do about "uploading" if anything; but they might.
In the mean time it should be noted that most of the large retailers selling music have lowered the prices significantly (the small retailers are being frozen out by the distributors and not getting the discounts "because they don't buy enough copies..." - a rant for another time). It remains to be seen if the number of units goes up. I expect it will - even though the total dollars may go down or stay even - and that is the point!
The dollars spent on music will likely stay even or maybe decline a bit - but this is not due to downloading, private copying, or whatever - it is due to external forces in action.
For example - the chocolate bar industry noted a decline in sales during the late 90s and early 2000s - and found that the reason was that their prime targets/customers (the teenagers) were using their disposable income to purchase cell-phone cards for text messaging and phone calls - leaving less to spend on chocolate.
Another influence - the music industry has released less music in recent years than they did previously - there is less to choose from and people are resisting (by downloading - "I've paid for 14 songs but only like 2 on this CD so I'll download another 12 to make up for it" maybe not done consiously - but it makes them feel better). The music publishers have also "perfected" the art of slicing and dicing the repetoir to force (or at least try to force) their target audience to pay for multiple CDs in order to get all the music they want, one or two songs per CD at a time - along with lots of crap put out as filler. I've suggested (to the Copyright Board) that this is in fact "tied selling" and should be viewed as a negative in adjusting the rate for the music levy - derating the "average" earnings per song in the calculation - they didn't bite this time but...
We've also had a bit of an economic turn-down recently too - but of course during such times people will always choose music over food won't they? ;)
The music distribution system is headed for a collapse - with the publishing companies and the industry associations losing out. Problem is that they don't want to lose their profit and influence so are fighting hard to lobby the governments to keep them around. This is what we have to fight. The continuation of an inefficient distribution system in the face of a complete paradigm change and disruptive technologies. It is the job of government to do what the population as a whole needs done in order to survive economically (and other ways but...) and if this means allowing one particular segment of an old industry to founder (the publishers) to the benefit of another segment (the artists) while keeping the general population from being all put in jail or saddled with onerous civil penalties for doing what "everyone is doing" then so be it - that's what we pay them the big bucks for.
There is no guarantee to any business that they will survive doing the sam
Re:It isn't the same as the US - thankfully (Score:2)
They wanted to know what *we* thought about DMCA-like regulations in Canada, *we* including consumers and producers.
Reading the list of responses (I don't see it offhand, but someone please post the link), its interesting to see the perspectives of many of the artists / producers (who've never seen a cent from that blank
Re:It isn't the same as the US - thankfully (Score:3)
Here's the link [ic.gc.ca].
LENDING is allowed. Lend harddrive over broadband (Score:2)
The case against p2p in Canada is based on the premise that private copying provision only applies to a person making a copy for their own use. A person cannot make a copy for someone else. The questions becomes:
Re:Difficulty (Score:2)
I guess they want networks to become saturated with leechers. Then they can pick off the final people left sharing one by one.
Re:Difficulty (Score:2)
You can borrow CDs from friends and copy them. Its legal. You can't make copies of your own CDs and give them to friends.
Re:Difficulty (Score:5, Insightful)
Its a lose-lose situation for the parties involved except for the lawyers and Celine Dion.
Re:But is it uploading??? (Score:2)
"friends" who have the password are then simply "borrowing" the mp3s, anyone else accessing them is "hacking" your computer, hence the "uploader" is legally safe?
(sorry about potentially excessive "..."'s)
Re:music should be freely shared. (Score:2, Funny)
Now we get Christina Aguilera dressed like a cheap street whore working her poochie on MTV on tape loop - ever get the feeling that the human race is regressing.
Re:No DMCA in Canada... (Score:2)