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Kurzweil Gets A Patent For Poetic Software 242

theodp writes "Ray Kurzweil, inventor of the Kurzweil Reading Machine for the blind, has developed what he calls a cybernetic poet, software that allows a computer to create poetry by imitating but not plagiarizing the styles and vocabularies of human poets. A sample: 'Sashay down the page...through the lioness...nestled in my soul.' Impressed? The USPTO, who sponsored the Independent Inventors Conference Mr. Kurzweil spoke at on Nov. 17, seems to be. On Nov. 11, Ray Kurzweil received U.S. Patent No. 6,647,395 for Poet Personalities."
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  • Maybe (Score:5, Funny)

    by IANAL(BIAILS) ( 726712 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:54PM (#7590749) Homepage Journal
    Maybe that's why those darned Vogons are so intent on building that hyperspace bypass here...
    • by Morgaine ( 4316 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @05:50AM (#7591811)
      Maybe that's why those darned Vogons are so intent on building that hyperspace bypass here...

      You're spot on, but for the wrong reason. The Vogons never really considered the Kurzweil poet AI as worthy competition for their poetry, but this possibility did give the mice an excellent excuse for having the Earth destroyed while hiding the real reason why this had to be done.

      Because you see, earlier in the experiment that led to the creation of planet Earth, a catastrophic error was made: they forgot to weed out latent patent clerks from among the management consultants and telephone sanitizers that were sent off on Ark B, as a result of which by the end of the 2nd millennium the planet was completely overrun with demented patent clerks that brought all technical progress to a standstill.

      While some computer scientists (well, OK, just Bill Joy) declared this to be conclusive proof for the Halting Problem, all sentient life everywhere recognized the extreme danger of Earth's patent clerk infecting the rest of the universe with insanity, so planetary termination became non-optional.

      The Vogons were of course happy to carry out the task, but their fondness for hyperspace bypasses really had nothing to do with it. To understand the Vogon eagerness to destroy Earth, you just need to consider the fact that patent clerks cannot distinguish original poetry from age-old nursery rhymes, and being non-sentient, nor can they feel the sadistic pain of Vogon poetry recitals. Put those two things together and it was only a question of which Vogon captain would reach Earth first. Even without the benefit of a Vogon background, it's easy to see their point.
  • Link to program (Score:5, Informative)

    by benna ( 614220 ) * <mimenarrator@g m a i l .com> on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:54PM (#7590750) Journal
    Here [kurzweilcyberart.com] is a link to the site where you can download this program.
  • Great (Score:5, Funny)

    by SpiffyMarc ( 590301 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:55PM (#7590752)
    Now my computer's going to get laid more then me.
  • by Ignis Flatus ( 689403 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @10:57PM (#7590758)
    Poetic justice is pending.
  • Won't be long now (Score:2, Interesting)

    by sempf ( 214908 ) *
    and we'll be listening to completely digitally generated music on the FM dial. Just mix in a little Mandelbrot Music [fin.ne.jp] with the words of this fine program, and we are good to go.

    • ugh, i think if you played that music through a holophoner, you would see yourself diving into skies of battery acid while the goatse.cx guy frolics nude with giant diesel banana spiders and the twin SCO lawyers, Pain and Anguish, crawl under your skin.
  • Not convincing (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cyphr555 ( 696516 )
    Bah! None of the haikus under the "More Poetry" link have the correct number of syllables. And this got a patent???
    • Re:Not convincing (Score:5, Informative)

      by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer@@@alum...mit...edu> on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:20PM (#7590853) Homepage
      None of the haikus under the "More Poetry" link have the correct number of syllables.

      Properly speaking, that is, in Japanese, haiku are not specified in terms of syllables. They're specified in terms of moras (Japanese onsetsu), the things of which a light syllable has one and a heavy syllable has two (or occasionally three). For example, here's a well known classic haiku:

      na ra na na e
      shi chi doo ga ran
      ya e za ku ra

      I've broken it down into syllables. As you can see, there are five in each line. The reason this is well-formed is that the syllable doo counts as two moras since it has a long vowel and the syllable ran counts as two moras since it has a closing consonant. So the second line contains seven moras even though it only contains five syllables. In sum, a haiku is a poem whose lines contain 5, 7, and 5 moras. How this should translate into English I don't know. Personally, I think English "haiku" sound funny and favor sticking to Japanese.

      • Much obliged for the Japanese term. It's easier to see when it's written out in kana rather than romaji or kanji; kana are a syllabary, so there's essentially one kana per syllable (OK, aside from some diphthongs like "kya"); e.g. "ran" is broken down as ra + n.
  • by Rahga ( 13479 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:00PM (#7590776) Journal
    The first refernce: Patent for "Method and apparatus for generating text", 1987.

    The following is an actual paragraph from the newly announced patent:
    Referring to FIG. 4, table 56 having words and their associated rhyme numbering is shown for the poem "why go slam, know the lamb." The words "lamb" and "slam" are both numbered .backslash..backslash..backslash.1.backslash..back slash..backslash. since they rhyme with each other and are placed in a first rhyme set, while "go" and "know" are numbered .backslash..backslash..backslash.2.backslash..back slash..backslash. since they rhyme with each other, and not with "lamb" and "slam," and thus are numbered to indicate membership in a second rhyme set. The resulting poem is; why go .backslash..backslash..backslash.2.backslash..back slash..backslash.slam.ba ckslash..backslash..backslash.1.backslash..backsla sh..backslash., know .backslash..backslash..backslash.2.backslash..back slash..backslash. the lamb .backslash..backslash..backslash.1.backslash..back slash..backslash..

    I can't go on.... I can't see how the patent system is anything but a joke, one that does good for nobody but the lawyers.
    • by servoled ( 174239 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:55AM (#7591144)
      If you looked at the image of the patent it would be a lot more readable. The .backslash. is just a code that the uspto uses to substitue for "\" to make it easier for their search engine to handle it. It does similar things with divide, multiple, integrals, paragraph characters, square roots, etc...
    • I can't see how the patent system is anything but a joke, one that does good for nobody but the lawyers.

      And government. Remember the simple business model of government: You take resources (things of value) from some people, you give some of these resources to other people, and you keep the rest for yourself. Any government program that has ever existed in the history of human civilization has followed this simple business plan, in some shape or form.

      On a simpler level, the notion of force (which all go

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:02PM (#7590786)

    ...I keep getting the same poem.

    A patent has been granted
    Giving backing to my lines,
    So if you write some similar code
    You'll face some hefty fines.

  • by Jubii ( 315611 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:03PM (#7590789) Homepage
    My haiku:

    Tonight On Slashdot
    Kurzweil Poetry Machine
    Please don't mod me down

    ... Maybe I shouldn't quit my day job.
    • by kurosawdust ( 654754 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:35PM (#7590913)
      the best haiku (slightly) related to artificial intelligence:

      Is the Twinkie smart?
      Is it just ignoring us?
      Maybe never know.
      From a twinkie-related website the URL of which I have unfortunately forgotten. And come to think of it, given the ingredients present in Twinkies, I think 'artificial intelligence' is rather appropriate.
    • "Please don't mod me down"?
      This comment is not funny
      Well, maybe it is
    • by Red Pointy Tail ( 127601 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @06:04AM (#7591839)
      1. First post! is better
      than a beowulf cluster, but
      does it run linux?

      2. Bittorrent pr0n shared,
      but rights of the goatse guy
      are belong to us!

      3. I A N A L,
      But Microsoft and SCO says:
      "This is Chewbacca."

      4. Yet in other news,
      polls show insensitive clods
      are from America.

      5. Natalie Portman,
      both naked and petrified,
      covered with hot grits!

      6. ?

      7. In Soviet Russia,
      overlords, for one, welcome
      Cowboyneal's profits!
  • by Grydon ( 663288 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:03PM (#7590793)
    And the best part is it only takes 556 gigs of reference material to do something along the lines of "the cat is fat".
  • by clifgriffin ( 676199 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:04PM (#7590797) Homepage
    I'm unimpressed.

    It's AI seems only capable of duplicating style...but it turns out peoms that make no sense. It seems to have no concept of word relationships, outside of simple grammar and organization.

    Like I said, gimme Robert Frost or Emily Dickinson...who needs this?

    Clif
    • I might argue that some of its examples are similar some of William Carlos Williams' works, which The Norton Anthology of Poetry, 4th ed. claims are poetry.

      The Red Wheelbarrow

      so much depends
      upon

      a red wheel
      barrow

      glazed with rain
      water

      beside the white
      chickens

      This Is Just to Say

      I have eaten
      the plums
      that were in
      the icebox

      and which
      you were probably
      saving
      for breakfast

      Forgive me
      they were delicious
      so sweet
      and so cold

      Perhaps an improved version of the program could make things like this.

      • by MostlyHarmless ( 75501 ) <.artdent. .at. .freeshell.org.> on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:45PM (#7590936)
        Here you go, W.C.Williams....

        So much (i.e. my
        Pulitzer)

        depends upon an ambiguous
        statement

        with no actual
        application

        beside a bland
        image

        --
        That's mine. Oh, and here's one from my lit book, by Kenneth Koch, tearing apart the silly Plums one

        "Variations on a Theme by William Carlos Williams"

        1

        I chopped down the house that you had been saving to live in next summer.
        I am sorry, but it was morning, and I had nothing to do
        and its wooden beams were so inviting.

        2

        We laughed at the hollyhocks together
        and then I sprayed them with lye.
        Forgive me. I simply do not know what I am doing.

        3

        I gave away the money that you have been saving to live on for the next ten years.
        The man who asked for it was shabby
        and the firm March wind on the porch was so juicy and cold.

        4

        Last evening we went dancing and I broke your leg.
        Forgive me. I was clumsy and
        I wanted you here in the wards, where I am the doctor!

        --
        No, the patent is overkill. W.C.W. could be replaced with a very short shell script.
      • I might argue, as a poet, that your ignorance of modern poetry is laughable. I might pray that your opinion is not representative of the whole. Not only did WCW influence (and participate in) the imagist, objectivist, 'beat' and 'postmodern' poetry movements, he stands among America's greatest poets.

        Do you criticise all things that you do not understand? Or maybe it's just those that stand in the face of prevailing convention. Perhaps we should start with Eliot, then. Or maybe Baudelaire. I mean rea
        • Hmm...

          [glances over post]

          Yeah, I guess I did come out pretty harsh on WCW. No, I don't know his history.

          Of course, you should also know that not all of his poems are both minimalist and short; did you think that I was equating the program's output and all unrhymed unmetered poetry? Also, as pointed out in another thread, poet Kenneth Koch parodied (IMO) Williams in "Variations on a Theme...." Also, is it not acceptable for an AI to try to create art? Is that not art squared? Is not that class of AI allow
    • True, it does seem quite useless. Also, these poems are nothing more than strings of disparate images. There's no point to them. It takes a lot more than surface analysis to generate a poem.
    • Music has no set meaning to the phrases, only structure...

      Criticizing it on the basis of whether the words have the meanings we commonly associate them with is a low blow. The question is, if the words did mean that, would the style REALLY be that of the analyzed author, or not very much so? Could you make a poem half-way between two?

      Of course, Metamagical Themas is required reading here... as are most of the works in the bibliography. There's a lot more to this than just generating pesudo-poetry.

      It'

    • by Pike ( 52876 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:29AM (#7591070) Journal

      The sad thing is that most modern poetry really isn't any different from the stuff this program produces. Randomness and Hip Vagueness have pretty well killed any popular taste for poetry. After all, why read poetry when most of it appears to have no meaning and have required no talent?

      This is where modern art has led us. The end result of trashing common sense [cwd.co.uk] is the heat death of the literary world. Everyone is a poet, therefore no one is a poet.

      This person [kuro5hin.org] said it rather well. I have this only to add: the question is not whether art should change, but whether art should become intrinsically worthless.

      -JD

      • by HiThere ( 15173 ) * <[ten.knilhtrae] [ta] [nsxihselrahc]> on Sunday November 30, 2003 @10:00AM (#7592310)
        Most poetry during ANY period is trash. The difference now is that literally anything can be published.

        Nearly all great works of art that we know of were panned severely when they first appeared. A great work of art creates something that is unexpected, and which we are unprepared for. (Not that I'm claiming that THIS was great art...most, as I said, really *IS* garbage. But don't judge based on initial reactions.)

        Most good works of art are appreciated... and performed on commission. They are refinements of prior works and ideas. This doesn't make them less powerful, but it makes it easier for people to appreciate them.

        Many schools of art don't really have room inside them for many great, or even very good, pieces. So people who keep trying for great novelty are continually trying to create totally novel ways of expressing themselves...ways outside of any extant school. Unfortunately(?), there appear to be limits as to what people can, even over time, learn to appreciate.

        If one is willing to be satisfied with good, and very good, however, there are many classic schools that appear to be deep enough that any one person can never plumb their depths. The saga is one such form. It's not popular now because it DOES require a prolonged attention span to appreciate it. And it's difficult, requiring much craftsmanship. in it's place we have positioned the novel. A form that is at least as deep, somewhat wider, and which doesn't require as much skill to produce acceptable works. And which also can require less attention on the part of the audience. (This last *isn't* guaranteed. Many very good novels require, or at least reward, the same degree of attention that any epic poem can require.)

        OTOH, even quite restricted formulae, e.g. the Haiku, can be quite expressive over a wide variety of issues. (Here I mean the strict form of Haiku, including the strictures of seasonal references as well as length and stress patterns.) For that matter, if it weren't for historical context (e.g., it's popularisation by Edward Lear), the Limerick might well be an equally expressive form. I've done a bit of experimenting, and I don't find it intrinsically any less or more confining than the Haiku. But the audience expectations mean that it can be difficult to deal with serious topics (unless the wry twist is a part of the point).

        As to "modern poetry". Perhaps you should choose a different selection of poets. Julia Winograd, e.g., is a noted modern poet, and her works are quite accessible. They aren't, however, light. She lives among the poor, and reveals the darkness that they dwell in, without being maudlin. I know that you can purchase her works at Codys Books in Berkeley, although I don't find them in the on-line store (apache internal error). And Google doesn't seem to know her. But she has many collections published...self published, actually, but they've been on sale for years.

        P.S.: This may partially explain why you think modern poetry is bad. I hadn't realized how difficult it was to find her works. Perhaps the publishers won't publish anything that they find offensive. After all, poetry isn't a moneymaker except on a very small scale. I do know that even recognized authors have difficulty getting poetry published. You may be able to find Logan by Paul Edwin Zimmer (or possibly Zimmer-Bradley). It was published once that I know of, and deals with classic american themes. In this case how the Iroquois nation was destroyed, and by who. And is in a classic form. And it was only included because 1) his sister was a best selling author, and 2) the editor was determined to include it. Yet it is a poem so moving that I had great trouble reading it. It should be a part of every history cirriculum, as it covers the facts of an important period of early american history. And it explores the nature of political action. In it's way it is similar to "Advise and Consent", but it is more factual. (Well, possibly not. I don't really know the background of "Advise and Consent".)

        But it's poetry, so nobody pays attention to it.

    • I'm not sure you are being fair. A lot of interesting A.I. and machine learning problems with issues like style. While his system might not handle grammar and organization, its ideas could become the basis of another system that could. Research goes a step at a time.
    • I think it was Vinograd (sp?) who, when asked by a reporter about AI, replied: "The danger is not that machines will become smarter than people; the danger is that people will become as dumb as machines". The poetry this robo-hack churns out is of the "postmodern" kind: as far as I understand, it's not supposed to have any intrinsic meaning, because meaning detracts from the deconstruction of modern discourse, or something or other. In other words, modern human poets are no better than Eliza, and they're pr
  • meh. (Score:2, Informative)

    I don't feel like RTFA, but this [codeasart.com] seems relevent.
    • Did the reference that you cited exist prior to November 1, 1999? The patent in question has an effective filing date based on a provisional application back to this date as shown by the following text:
      This application claims priority under 35 USC .sctn.119(e) to U.S. patent application Ser. No. 60/162,882, filed on Nov. 1, 1999, the entire contents of which are hereby incorporated by reference.

      Also, does this reference attempt to mimmick a specific style?
  • Having read some of the generated "poetry", I think this speaks more to the pointlessness of modern poetry more then it reflects well on Kurzweil. Show me a poem with real meat, like, say, Poe wrote, and I'd be much more impressed.

    Put a modern poem in front of me and some of the fully random poetry I've seen and I can't tell the difference; if a random algorithm works that well, anything can work that well. There's just no meaningful information, in the information-theoretic sense, in a modern poem of that
    • Does Poe realy have meat? Or are you adding your on interpetation to the poem and assuming that was what Poe had in mind?

      Could someone choose to interpet the computer generated poem in such away that it has meat to them?
      • Poe's poems, like any good poems, have meat because they were vested with real thought, effort and genius by their author. As such they have intrinsic merit.

        You can't really think that anything on that program's page [kurzweilcyberart.com] is just as good as

        Ah distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December,
        And each seperate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor

        or Frost, for example:

        Some say the world will end in fire
        Some say in ice;
        From what I've tasted of desire,
        I hold with those who favor fire
        But if i

        • Well, for you the words may have well defined meanings but I don't think that's true in general.

          Human communication is, in fact, very ambiguous by nature. A tone of your voice may change the message. Words have many meanings and can be understood completely differently depending on, for instance, the mood of the listener.

          I personally love ambiguity and freeform expression. I feel more comfortable with loose or no structure than with the strict metric and rhyming as in the poem by Frost you quote. Rhymin

        • I agree with you completely regarding words and art. If a random industrial-sizeed spray paint nozzle can produce the same output as a human "artist" (*cough*Pollock*cough*), then what's the point of calling it "art" at all ?
  • A long time ago, in a gala^h^h^h^h forum on CIS (Compuserve, for you script-kiddies), I downloaded an app named Babble that analyzed text and attempted poetry. Actually, I think analyze is too strong a work for what Babble did. You fed Babble text files of whatever you wanted sampled and babble spit out mixed-up jumbles of phrases. Ninety percent of the time it was utter garbage, not even beat poets would like it. Occasionally it ejected something plausible and possibly poetic. Ah, patience rewarded.

    There is prior artwork here. This patent may have trouble remaining. I have never been able to find this app, but anyone else should be able to scan some DOS libraries and might find it. Go, find the app and stop the patent madness.
    • Just because a piece of software generates poetry does not automatically mean that it is prior art which will invalidate this patent. In order for the prior art to be useful here, it must either directly show or teach the following (claim 1):

      1. A computer-implemented method of generating a poet personality comprising:

      analyzing a plurality of poems represented in a text file;

      generating a plurality of analysis models, each of said analysis models representing one of said plurality of poems; and

      storing th

    • My first professional job involving computers began in 1979. There was a really stupid security rule that said if the user didn't type something in, or the computer didn't print something out, within a 4 minute timespan, the user would get logged off. The idea was, if you weren't actually tap-tap-tapping or reading and paging down, then you weren't actually using the computer.
      Well, about a month after the rule went into effect I encountered a user running a program called "Poetry". Poetry had a table of
      • Oh, I forgot to say: Its poetry was just as good, made just as much sense, as the Kurtzwiel poetry on the website. My first intro came late one night while I was running the system console:

        Dead Girls
        Abruptly Quiver
        While in the snow
        Green Monkeys Shiver

        Flames Die Loudly
        Worms Call Proudly
        Fortune Falls Under
        The Blue Thunder

        I remember the exact words because it was so startling. This text became my "sample text" I used when learning new editors, word processors, etc.
        I sent a message to the user saying

    • Sounds like a variation of the "dissociated press" algorithm, based on techniques similar to Markov models. Such things have been the toys of choice for text processing people for a long time now. I remember prof. Seppo Mustonen's dissociation of Kalevala in his Survo [survo.fi] book, and I recently read MegaHAL's poetry [sourceforge.net] produced with similar technique.

      I think there's prior art if it attempts to put style in the equation somehow. Whether or not it should be patentable is an entirely different matter... I was wonderi

  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:29PM (#7590891) Homepage Journal
    I, for one,
    welcome our
    new cybernetic
    poet overlords.
  • by ciaran_o_riordan ( 662132 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:33PM (#7590908) Homepage
    1984 anyone?
    "It was only an 'opeless fancy,
    It passed like an Ipril dye,
    But a look an' a word an' the dreams they stirred
    They 'ave stolen my 'eart awye!"

    Please help stop software patentability in the EU [compsoc.com]. (coz I want to write this program! okay, not really)
  • by urbazewski ( 554143 ) on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:48PM (#7590947) Homepage Journal
    I've been working on a project (nicknamed "beat geek" in my head) that uses the digital equivalents of dada/beat cut-up techniques and other forms of randomness in or artificial generation of language.

    For example, I have a program called autopoem (written by Bill Sethares [wisc.edu]) loosely based on an idea from Shannon's original paper on information theory.

    Suppose you took all the words in the English language and calculated how often the character "s" is followed by the character "t", the character "e", and so on. You'd end with a table of transition probabilities that showed how often each letter is followed by any other letter (or punctuation mark or space) and starting with a single seed letter you could generate "english-like" words randomly. The output using the probability that a single letter is followed by another letter doesn't actually resemble English much, nor does the output using probabilities based on two letter combinations (how often is "th" followed by "e", by "a", and so on) but by the time you get to 3 letter combinations, (how often is "the" followed by "a" or by "s") the output starts to look a lot like "twas brillig and the slithy toves", like ye olde englishe with very creative spelling.

    The scheme I described above is difficult to implement in practice, because the table of probabilities gets big fast as the number of letters used to determine the next letter gets longer. Autopoem uses a particular text as a source and instead of generating a table of probabilities it scans the text looking for the next of the letter sequence, say "the", and then selects whatever letter or punctuation mark comes next, say "a", then it continues scanning until it finds the next occurrence of "hea", and selects the following letter, and so on. the longer the sequence of letters, the more likely it is that whole words or phrases from the original text will appear in the output. An alternative version, requiring a reasonably long text, applies the same principle on the word level, how often is the word "red" followed by the word "hat" or "dog" or so on.

    Here's some autopoem output:

    Your strip of entirely
    tired witches scarecrow me at night
    That reached the next
    He witches at and glow in a cruel head
    Done behind the mark

    Nothing but the Land of blue
    And the green wizard answer with sharp teeth

    (anyone care to guess the source text?)

    Other ideas/algorithms/programs that fall into the same genre are dilbert's corporate values generator (now defunct?), eliza (especially when she interacts with zippy), madlibs (I don't know of a computer application), scott reynen's poetry [randomchaos.com] and prose [randomchaos.com] generators, rob malda's poetry generator (currently offline) & googlism [googlism.com].

    Any suggestions or links to related programs would be greatly appreciated.

  • by Ieshan ( 409693 ) <ieshan@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Saturday November 29, 2003 @11:48PM (#7590949) Homepage Journal
    Their website has this as a haiku written after reading various authors:

    You broke my soul
    the juice of eternity,
    the spirit of my lips.

    But it doesn't work out. The first line is four syllables, while the last line is 6. Haiku are 5-7-5. Silly computers, they must have taken the adding chip out of that one.
    • You are taking the mechanical definition of a haiku to far for english.
      It has long been accepted the english Haiku do not literally need to maintain the same beat has the Japanese. This is because of the way the language sounds. The commma is a pause, and when used in conjunction with the 5-7-5, it will often sound..odd.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    For those interested in Sci Fi, you may be interested in reading "The electronic bard" in
    "The Cyberiad", by Stanislaw Lem (1965). This is what the machine composes when someone asks it to write a poem expressed in the language of pure mathematics:

    "Come, let us hasten to a higher plane,
    Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
    Their indicies bedecked from one to n,
    Commingled in an endless Markov chain!

    Come, every frustum longs to be a cone,
    And every vector dreams of matrices.
    Hark to the gentle gradient of

  • Finally (Score:2, Funny)

    by Onikuma ( 699576 )
    Finally, poetry with no deep, hidden meaning!
  • by bersl2 ( 689221 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:03AM (#7590989) Journal
    I wrote a poem for English class once. It was one of those deals where I didn't have anything to write about. So I started reading Slashdot. This was at the time where there were three Palladium/TCPA/WTF-it's-now stories a day, as opposed to three SCO stories a day. To make a long story short, I wrote one of those poems that wasn't about Palladium, but really it was. Damn, I thought I had just written an absolute POS.

    I was very surprised when my English teacher really liked it. She liked it so much that she entered it in a state-wide contest for high school students.

    Yeah. Well, my poem won. So I get to read it at the sponsoring organization's next meeting. I go there and, of course, I see that my poem had been selected as the best by none other than old ladies and somewhat-less-than-straight men. One of the old ladies told me that my entry was one of the more "interesting" ones she'd seen.

    So, uh, yeah... that's my story...
  • 1. Code for Vogon poetic traits.

    2. Write code that iterates over the Vogon poetic output, increasing the Vogonity of the poems with each iteration.

    3. Link with Outlook worm.

    4. Mail to patent holder(s).

  • Martin Gardner wrote about these in the 70s.

    I saw one in DOS once - it uses Markov chains to generate prose - no big deal.

  • by lhpineapple ( 468516 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:21AM (#7591047)
    We should just take already existing poems, have them translated into Japanese, and then have the Japanese translate it back into English. Put it all together and voila!:

    All your base are belong to us.
  • I worked for a guy who wrote a haiku generating signature generator back in 1998. And his was based on the idea of some perl module that did something simular but with rhyming poetry.
  • I always though Coy [cpan.org] was a fun module to get poems from. I don't think it works with Perl 5.8 though.
  • by LinuxParanoid ( 64467 ) * on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:36AM (#7591091) Homepage Journal
    Eschewing the patent issue for a moment and focusing on the question of whether poetry consitutes artificial intelligence, the question is: whose intelligence?

    I read Kurzweil's book, The Age of Spiritual Machines and he had various samples of computer poetry there. I remember thinking that one of them was stunningly good, at least to my taste.

    But I also found myself wondering... how many (hundreds of? thousands of?) poems were discarded by humans in an attempt to find a couple good ones, and is this vaunted computer poetry really mostly a product of human selection from reams of pseudo-sensical word combinations? I never saw any disclosure or discussion of these sorts of factors in Kurzweil's writings. Keep your eye out for this.

    --LP
    • how many (hundreds of? thousands of?) poems were discarded by humans in an attempt to find a couple good ones,

      Exactly --- algorithmic techniques can be great for providing input and inspiration, but the creative process is as much about discarding bad ideas as it is about coming up with good ones. Producing anything decent, never mind great, requires "killing your babies," being willing to get rid of things that may be funny/clever/evocative on their own, but don't contribute to the whole.

  • Sounds familiar (Score:4, Informative)

    by Compuser ( 14899 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @12:56AM (#7591147)
    I can't believe noone yet mentioned Stanislav
    Lem. One his more humorous stories dealt with
    a similar machine though one that could
    produce real poetry, meaningful, beautifully
    written and confroming to arbitrary constraints,
    like one where all words had to begin with same
    letter. If you read the story you know this
    invention will lead to no good.
    • My favourite quote...

      Now these poets were all avant-garde, and Trurl's machine wrote only in the traditional manner; Trurl, no connoisseur of poetry, had relied heavily on the classics in setting up its program. The machine's guests jeered and left in triumph. The machine was self-programming, however, and in addition had a special ambition-amplifying mechanism with glory-seeking circuits, and very soon a great change took place. Its poems became difficult, ambigious, so intricate and charged with mean

    • Mod parent up ! Note that Trurl's cyber-poet was initially mocked by all the established poets, because it wrote in the Classical style. But Trurl installed confidence buffers into the cyber-poet, and fed it some post-modern poetry; the cyber-poet figured out the style, and when a new wave of real poets came to mock it, he spit out a poem so "fraught with inner meaning" that they all resigned on the spot. I am not sure about the English version of the book; the Russian version gives the text of that poem, a
    • Someone has already posted a complete poem from the Cyberiad, on abstract mathematics. It's great, and contains references to several wellknown poems/poets.

      read the Lem poem [slashdot.org]

  • by Robotech_Master ( 14247 ) * on Sunday November 30, 2003 @01:03AM (#7591173) Homepage Journal
    ...that in granting Kurzweil a patent on software that composes poetry, the government has issued him a poetic license?

    Or perhaps it's simply poetic justice that such a seemingly silly patent should be issued.

    No matter how bad things were already, with the advent of digital poetry, I can't help but think that things have gotten a bit verse.
  • Someone wrote some software to write poetry back in the 60s or early 70s.

    The only line I remember from it was "All God's chillun, got algorithm." I always thought that was a bit interesting for a computer.
  • If this program receives any significant use, it will lead to a lawsuit sooner or later (what doesn't in America?).

    This immediately reminded me of one case which sticks in my mind - a case about a cat, "The Cat in a Hat". A parody was written in the style of Dr. Seuss which made fun of the O.J. Simpson trial. The parody was entitled "The Cat NOT in the Hat! A Parody by Dr. Juice".

    The case involved copyright claims among others. The defendants argued their work was a parody and thus qualified as fair

  • I fed the Cybernetic Poet the sonnets of Shakespeard, but constrained it to use only words still in use. The output mostly dealt with the sexual predilections of one "man from Nantucket", and a an oft-recurring phrase that "he said with a grin, as he wiped off his chin".
  • by incal ( 728144 )
    Simulation is just not enough. simulated fire dont burn my flesh. simulated poetry dont burn my mind.

    Let Kurzweil simulate Hoelderlin. or ee cunnings. how far he can go with them?

    (anyone has read: poietic software?)

  • by Txiasaeia ( 581598 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @02:08AM (#7591359)
    I can't believe nobody has asked this question: what's the point? Humans write poetry in order to express a thought, idea or emotion; it's just as hackneyed if I read a bunch of Frost or Empson poems and slice and dice 'em together to create my own masterpiece, so why is it better that a computer can do so?

    When I read poetry, I like to have the illusion that what I am reading was carefully thought about and created; trying to find meaning in a computer generated poem is as pointless as trying to find meaning in a book from Borges' Library of Babel.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Just tonight, Kurzweil's cyberpoet made his way into my /home and demanded WINE from me. I relented. He died nearly instantaneously, apparently from a poorly made batch.

    I entrust you with his posthumous manuscript:

    file_set_error: Permission denied
    fixme:ntdll:RtlNtStatusToDosError no mapping for 0001869f
    wine: Unhandled exception, starting debugger...
    err:seh:start_debugger Couldn't start debugger ("winedbg --debugmsg -all --auto 134725312 0x44") (2)
    Read the Wine Developers Guide on how to set up winedbg o
  • Although the sample looks impressive, I have a feeling that it is non-representative of the actual poetry put out by the program. If the program writes enough lines and there is a human on the other end deciding which poems to submit as samples, the quality of the example poem is a statement only to the artistic judgment of the human and not to the quality of the program writing the poem. Although this doesn't account for the entirety of the poem's quality (it would take a long time for a program just str
  • This thing just put millions of angst-ridden/depressed teenagers out of work.
  • "There was a whole chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator."

    --George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four

    Composing "poetry" is no challenge, because so much poet
  • by cout ( 4249 ) <curlypaul924&gmail,com> on Sunday November 30, 2003 @08:59AM (#7592157) Homepage

    In the 80's a man by the name of William Chamberlain wrote a program called Racter [robotwisdom.com], which had the ability to write poetry. Racter even has a book out called The Policeman's Beard is Half-Constructed.

    Racter had two serious objections. For one, Racter's poetry sounds much like the ramblings of a madman, e.g.:

    • Bill sings to Sarah. Sarah sings to Bill. Perhaps they will do other dangerous things together. They may eat lamb or stroke each other. They may chant of their difficulties and their happiness. They have love but they also have typewriters. That is interesting

    The other serious objection people have to Racter is that because the author had such a strong influence on the parameters used to generate the poetry that he is the true author and not the computer.

    If these same objections can be applied to Kurzweil's work, then the cybernetic poet is no better than Racter and isn't particularly interesting. According to the article, the author claims that his program is more sophisticated than other software out there, but the article doesn't include any specific comparisons.

    Is this really a major leap forward or is this just another stab at artificial insanity?

  • Has anyone read "The Policeman's Beard is Half Constructed"?

    It's an anthology of computer generated poetry from (I believe) the 1980's, but it could be even earlier. Some of it should be considered "art?" rather than art, but the technique it there. Also there was the travestry program which created text in the style of any particular author. You could even select just how similar you wanted the style to be. Travestry was gibberish, but the style came through clearly. Travestry appeared in Byte, thoug
  • This makes me think about development possibilities for Ray Kurzweil's [kurzweilai.net] virtual alter-ego, Ramona [kurzweilai.net].
    It seems that /.ers are divided on the issue of whether the poetry produced by the software is any good, but just think what will happen as similar things are developed and refined.

    Take a look at Ramona's bio [kurzweilai.net] and songs [kurzweilai.net] (MP3 format). They are, in the fictional context, her own compositions.
    Now, Ray has an avatar that can hold fairly simple conversations with online visitors (and can even, with an IE plug-in,

  • ...if this patent stops other people writing software to create more literary rubbish, then I'm all for it.
  • by crashnbur ( 127738 ) on Sunday November 30, 2003 @09:37AM (#7592254)
    I had posted a story on Kurzweil [neotope.com] that apparently wasn't as interesting as this one, but I think it still is worth mentioning. It's about an article he wrote in which he predicts that our biological lives will be lived mostly within a Matrix-like virtuality by 2050. An intriguing article, but I ultimately disagreed, citing that the global economy is too labor-intensive to allow the transition.

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