Brad Templeton On Spam's Silver Anniversary 144
Brad Templeton writes "This Saturday marks the 25th anniversary of the first spam I was able to find, and one month ago was the 10th anniversary of the first time a USENET posting was called a spam and the birth of the term (at least beyond mudds)." Templeton was also cited in the American Scientist article featured last Sunday.
umm... (Score:2, Informative)
Hormel was started in 1891...way more than 25 years...in fact, last year the 6 billionth can of spam was made!
Re:umm... (Score:2, Insightful)
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But, that still makes spam 66 years old...that's a lot more than 25...
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Actually, that would be, ahem, GNU/Spam [templetons.com].
Re:umm... (Score:1)
Obviously, Hormel has the good sense to see the humor in all this.
Re:umm... (Score:1)
I think you meant to say SPAM [spam.com], in all caps. Quoth the site,
I would *hate* to be the admin for that domain... (Score:5, Funny)
Poor bloody mail admins at Hormel, their lives must be hell. And what about if they accidentally left an open relay?
one month anniversary (Score:3, Interesting)
My hero (Score:2)
Re:My hero (Score:1)
RMS Defends Spam! (Score:2, Troll)
Please insert your own "GNU/Spam" joke here.
Re:RMS Defends Spam! (Score:2)
Be careful what you wish for... (Score:3, Funny)
... For you might just Get It.
[Insert partial list of the 10 gazillions Internet dating services found by Yahoo alone].
I hope that unearthing this ancient post will not make RMS lose his aura of geekness. What, he wanted to get laid? With all that code to write? Sheesh... What was he, a business major?
Re:RMS Defends Spam! (Score:2)
Today Also... (Score:2, Funny)
* often refered to a 'dupe'
Re:Today Also... (Score:4, Informative)
I thought the immigration lawyers were the first (Score:1, Informative)
I don't know if C&S sent the one I got, but... (Score:2)
I remember thinking "Oh, oh! There goes email!"
And sure enough I had several ads within a couple weeks, and the volume has been ramping up ever since.
I saved it all for a while. But my disk filled up and the saved spam was the big disk-eater, so I dumped it. (Probably should have saved the first few for posterity...)
Re:I thought the immigration lawyers were the firs (Score:3, Interesting)
The earliest instance I could find (on groups.google.com) of the infamous Cantor and Siegel Green Card Lottery spam was posted 7 Feb, 1994.
Sometime in the evening of 17 Jan, 1994, a chap by the name of Clarence Thomas sent out the "Global Alert For All: Jesus Coming Soon" message.
Then of course there was the Dave Rhodes "MAKE.MONEY.FAST" post. I couldn't
1937: The Birth of Spam (Score:1, Funny)
For more, see www.spam.com!
Re:1937: The Birth of Spam (Score:3, Funny)
Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
Simpsons (Score:4, Funny)
"I needed a new heel for my shoe. So, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. 'Give me five bees for a quarter', you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah...the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war; the only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
Templeton: funny? (Score:1, Flamebait)
So.. (Score:4, Insightful)
What do you think Hormel thinks about this mess? All publicity is good publicity? I don't think so. I haven't bought a can of Spam for the last three years. Guess why.
I'll tell you their lawyers are constantly tearing their hair out, for not slapping Monty Python with a cease and desist, all those years ago. Now do you understand people like American Greetings? If they don't defend their trademarks, they might end up as the next Spam. What would you do if your trademark for the last hundred years, suddenly were smeared into oblivion by greedy net users all over the world?
So you're saying... (Score:3, Funny)
You don't buy meat (or something that closely resembles meat) because its a synonym to unsolicited email?
Would it be safe to guess you live in a house (or closet, or cave) with only doors too?
Re:So you're saying... (Score:2)
Ok, so they're caught in the crossfire. An innocent bystander if you wish, but by not buying into spam, I make a strong personal statement.
You can post your anti-spam sentiment to slashdot all you want, but it won't change anything in the real world. Only statements like mine will have a real effect.
Re:So you're saying... (Score:2, Insightful)
You can post your anti-spam sentiment to slashdot all you want, but it won't change anything in the real world. Only statements like mine will have a real effect.
You have GOT to be a troll. "Strong personal statement"?! What are you really saying "Hormel should fight junk emails, and until they eliminate them, I will punish Hormel."
"An innocent bystander" is putti
Re:So you're saying... (Score:2)
I'll stop eating snickers to prevent SARS!
bleh.
Re:So you're saying... (Score:2)
While snickers and sars are totally unrelated products, spam and SPAM have quite a lot in common. Like the name, for example.
Re:So you're saying... (Score:1)
How can "snickers" and "sars" be totally unrelated when they both start and end with the letter s. There just has to be a connection...
Re:So.. (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:So.. (Score:2)
It's actually quite tasty. Especially the jelly it comes packaged with. I know it's a petroleum conservative, but it tastes real good if you sprinkle your (home baked) pizza with it.
Re:So.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:So.. (Score:2)
http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm
Re:So.. (Score:1)
<PFRRRT!>
Sorry about that
McDonalds Spam (Score:2)
Re:So.. (Score:1)
So, I'm assuming you mean you bought the low-sodium version. The regular version has more sodium per serving than regular iodized salt. The low-sodium version doesn't, but IIRC it's not that far away.
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I haven't bought a can in as long as I can remember because I don't like Spam.
It tastes like a bad imitation of a so-called "Danish" ham wich is made of various chunks of ham scraps and gelatin. I guess that makes Spam a bad immitation of a second-rate retred ham.
There may be some new hope though:
Has anyone tried "Roast Turkey" or Barbeque Spam? Is it any good?
Re:So.. (Score:1, Funny)
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aspirin is a special case ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:aspirin is a special case ... (Score:2)
Er, maybe not.
Re:aspirin is a special case ... (Score:3, Informative)
10 points! (Score:1)
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Scary part... (Score:3, Interesting)
Spam is here because it works. Worked back then, works today. If it did not work, there would be no spam.
Re:Scary part... (Score:2)
Doesn't mean we should not try to stop War and Murder.
Al Gore legalized Spam (Score:3, Interesting)
I note that the big gripe was that it was commercial speech on the ARPAnet, at a time when it was restricted to research projects. (This despite the fact that such a product announcement, intrusive as bulk eamil was, might actually have been consered "news" rather than a mere advertisement.)
Of course that changed with the legislation that got Al Gore his rep for "claiming to inven
Wrong (Score:2)
I'm not saying that spam doesn't work - with so many morons out there, it's certainly possible. But arguing that it wouldn't exist if it didn't work is stupid.
Re:Wrong (Score:1)
Might? I'm sure the supply of idiots is vast, if not limitless. (And if they run out, I'm sure that no one will complain when they chop the last one down.)
Interesting discussion involving Stallman and spam (Score:1, Redundant)
He also predicts the first online dating service!!!!!
Re:Interesting discussion involving Stallman and s (Score:1)
Hold on a sec (Score:4, Informative)
Somehow, somewhere along the way, the term was applied to unsolicited commercial email, and the original meaning was more or less forgotten. Besides, the practice of flooding peoples' inboxes doesn't really happen that way very much anymore.
Re:Hold on a sec (Score:3, Funny)
bughunter@earthlink.net
Let's test that theory
Quote from Canter&Siegel (Score:3, Informative)
The parents of the original Usenet spam, a lawfirm promoting a "green card lottery" (and I thougt those were a new invention), wrote in their book about online advertising:
"From that day forward, the Internet never stopped discussing us... After lengthy deliberation, it was decided to call the practice 'spamming' in honor of a well-known skit by Monty Python's Flying Circus, the famous British comedy group. We were unfamiliar with the skit, but apparently it involved throwing lunch meat at a wall."
Humourless lawyers.. they'll be the first against the wall when we take the us.
Re:Quote from Canter&Siegel (Score:2)
Spam and SPAM (Score:2)
"junk mail" (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"junk mail" (Score:2)
The user experience of overagressive PULL traffic is somewhat different from that of PUSH traffic, but the net effect (on link utilization and admin sanity) is degradation of service in either case.
You may be correct in arguing that the B
It's in the can, dude... (Score:1)
Re:It's in the can, dude... (Score:2, Insightful)
The DMA wants laws that outlaw the penis-pill spammers, while preserving the utility of your inbox as an advertising medium for their targeted important message, and outlaw any filtering/blocking of that message. (In other words, they want to allow their main-sleeze sp
Spam, MUDs, and Portal.com (Score:2)
Amusing to discover that the earliest documented Spam message originated at cup.portal.com. That site was responsible for my first bout of Usenet addiction -- mercifully cut short when I acquired an obsessive stalker who took exception to my criticism of David Brin. The site was the only enterprise of a company c
Re:Spam, MUDs, and Portal.com (Score:1)
Oh, almost forgot (Score:1)
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Nothing, except that Monty Python's Flying Circus did a skit where a modern, normal-looking guy goes into a restaurant full of 10th C. Viking customers and a lady (played by a guy in drag) behind the counter. He asks for something to eat, I forget what. He's told that he can get "Spam, eggs and spam, or spam, spam, and spam." After some discussion that goes nowhere, the Vikings break out into a chant of "Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam-ity spam!" They repeat this chant over and over until it drowns out everything else going on in the scene.
The idea is that screen flooding becomes like the Vikings chanting "Spam." Nothing else goes on because nobody else can get a word in edgewise over the racket.
I never did get that skit. (Re:Oh, almost forgot) (Score:1)
Does anyone know the story behind that skit - was it some sort of English/European regional joke, like the idiots with kerchiefs on their heads?
Seeing how spam is so big in Hawaii (because meat is pretty expensive, and pork is a polynesian favorite) an american remake of the skit would possibly be
templetons ideas on stopping spam.. (Score:3, Informative)
Worth a read [templetons.com] imho.
ok, so (Score:2)
1) shave beard
2) start first online dating service
i won't say which one he chose...
It's a historic address list (Score:3, Interesting)
From Mr. Templeton's page (Score:2)
You have the best job!
Brad Templeton Gave Us Dilbert! (Score:2)
One of these was Scott Adams. Nowadays, every single paper in the U.S
Re:Brad Templeton Gave Us Dilbert! (Score:3, Insightful)
One thing I did observe about Dilbert to Scott was that part of its appeal was that it was one of the few comics to make fun of not just high-tech but modern office life. There are other office comics -- Cathy, Sally Forth, even Blondie, but none attack the office the
Two explanations demanded (Score:2)
First, I needer a fuller explanation of the origin of the word "spam". I buy your explanation that it comes from the MUD community. But I still don't understand the connection between dataflooding and spiced meat. Are all MUD people Python fans?
Second, how does a Leading Computer Pioneer find time to hang out on Slashdot?
Re:Two explanations demanded (Score:5, Informative)
The mudder's use is not recorded, of course, as far as I have found. Simply reports from mudders say that when people started flooding a mud with text, and later objects, somebody called it spamming. From the Monty Python, because the vikings keep repeating the word over and over and over again.
I have conflicting stories on the first use, but without logs we may never know.
Re:Two explanations demanded (Score:2)
The version I heard/read is that someone created an listening object in a MUD "room" that was designated as a "beach".
If someone entered the room and said the word "spam", all occupants of the room would experience a flood of text describing a boat full of Vikings landing on the beach, chanting "spam, spam, etc.".
Is it the definitive story? I dunno. But, it fits with what I remember from that period.
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Re:Two explanations demanded (Score:1)
The year was 1984. I was a freshman at RPI [rpi.edu], busily ruining my life by not going to class and spending all my time in night mode on MTS [umich.edu], the local timesharing system. One of the most popular ways for me to waste time was by using CZSC:CB [sourceforge.net], a primitive chat room type of thing. One night I was experiencing a craving for cheese, and started babbling about it on the channels. Nobody seemed to pa
who is right? Templeton or the American Scientist? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:who is right? Templeton or the American Scienti (Score:4, Informative)
And thus the term really grew. But theirs was not the first spam, not the first to be called a spam, not even the first big spam. It was the first for a new level of anger.
Re:who is right? Templeton or the American Scienti (Score:2)
The others you mentioned were more confined than Green Card. Also, Green Card was multiposted, not cross-posted.
However, we (the denizens of Usenet) did shut down Green Card's ISP-- within hours of the spam, if my memory of the night serves. (I can tell you which terminal of which terminal room I was at.) The ISP was deluged with complaints. They had to upgrade their mailserver, and I seem to recall them having to of
Re:who is right? Templeton or the American Scienti (Score:3, Informative)
Sadly, we continue to blame the ISPs for the actions of
Re:who is right? Templeton or the American Scienti (Score:2)
Yes, of course. The "got the message" line was left over from an edit and should have been deleted; I didn't mean to imply that the ISP deserved it or anything of the kind. Of course ISPs are often the biggest victims of spam, and (as recent actions show) are sometimes the ones most likely to fight it.
Regarding cross vs multiposting: I had an impression of a memory of Green Card angering me more than anything else I had seen, in a large part because of the multiposting. I didn't think that the "Jesus" s
CSPN2-Spam Forum (Score:1)
Everyone submit your favourite spam recipie! (Score:1)
Here's mine [teemings.com]
Your address on the web (Score:2)
My biggest beef is with people who put emails you send up on the website with no thought to actually helping you avoid being crawled. For example - the perl maintainers. I posted an email from work to them pointing out a bug, they stuck it up on a website without removing my email address and some crawler got it and started sending me (at work) all sorts of spam.
I requested repeatidly that they either
Lets get controversial... (Score:1)
Check this out! (Score:2)
Click here to see the pic [sirinek.com]
Spam is free speech? (Score:1)
Brad Templeton has previously argued that unsolicited email falls under the free speech rights enumerated by the US Constitution, and that sending UBE/UCE is legal [google.com]. He also stated, "The free speech rights on ONE SINGLE PERSON outweigh the speech-prohibition rights of 49,999,999 others. [google.com]"
Interestingly, about six years later, spam costs US businesses an estimated $9B per year [usatoday.com], including costs for increased hardware and software to handle the load, and has been estimated by the EU to globally cost recipients [eu.int]
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Couple of years late (Score:2)
You youngsters don't remember anything. RFC706 [faqs.org] "On the Junk Mail Problem" was published in Nov 1975. Spam was already a problem only 4 years after RFC196, which was the original Mail Box Protocol which had no authentication.
Hear it on the radio (Score:1)
NPR did a spot [npr.org] on this on Friday.
Re:Not a celebration... I hope (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Mmmm, Spam! (Score:1)
-uso.
Re:spam threatens brodcasters revenue model (Score:2, Insightful)
Any bets that political spam by "responsible" organizations isn't defined as spam? The DMA lobby also makes sure that their "targeted marketing" isn't spam either.